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Thousands of Muslims Protest 'Age of Mockery' At Google's London Headquarters

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the we're-not-gonna-take-it dept.

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cold fjord writes "A large protest planned by as many as 800 imams was held today at Google's London headquarters to protest the video, 'The Innocence of Muslims,' which is available on Google's subsidiary YouTube. There may have been as many as 10,000 protesters in what is said to be the first of several planned protests. From the story: 'Speeches by more than a dozen imams . . . urged Muslims to honor the name of the Prophet and not to back down in the face of Google's continuing reluctance to act, and were met with passionate cries of "God is Great" and "Mohammad is the Prophet of God" in Arabic. . . One of the speakers. . . told The Daily Telegraph: "Terrorism is not just people who kill human bodies, but who kill human feelings as well. The makers of this film have terrorized 1.6 billion people." A YouTube spokesperson said: "We work hard to create a community everyone can enjoy and which also enables people to express different opinions. "This can be a challenge because what's OK in one country can be offensive elsewhere. This video — which is widely available on the Web — is clearly within our guidelines and so will stay on YouTube."'"

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Don't watch it (5, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 2 years ago | (#41656335)

It's not like TV stations are slipping this video in amongst their shows and commercials to trick you into watching it. If you don't like it, don't watch it, and stop trying to force your religious views on others.

Re:Don't watch it (5, Insightful)

FrostedWheat (172733) | about 2 years ago | (#41656411)

That won't work, most of them haven't watched it anyway.

Re:Don't watch it (5, Insightful)

mfh (56) | about 2 years ago | (#41656823)

That won't work, most of them haven't watched it anyway.

This is exactly why religion is bad. You take an invisible dude in a toga and put him in control of morality!!!! Well there's your problem. The premise of religion is immoral because it's based upon a lie.

Re:Don't watch it (4, Interesting)

jrumney (197329) | about 2 years ago | (#41656453)

It's not like TV stations are slipping this video in amongst their shows and commercials to trick you into watching it.

Actually, it is. This whole thing only kicked off because an Egyptian satellite channel broadcast excerpts from the video (thier motives should be as much in question as the producers of the video, IMO). Do you really think such a poorly produced, pointless video would ever have gone viral without some mainstream media help?

Re:Don't watch it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656539)

It's not like TV stations are slipping this video in amongst their shows and commercials to trick you into watching it.

Actually, it is. This whole thing only kicked off because an Egyptian satellite channel broadcast excerpts from the video (thier motives should be as much in question as the producers of the video, IMO). Do you really think such a poorly produced, pointless video would ever have gone viral without some mainstream media help?

What are you new here or something? What the hell makes you think "mainstream media" would know how to even spell the word viral, much less take a news story there. These are the same people who bring us "breaking news" about the latest malware attack days after it's posted here. Give me a fucking break. One doesn't need to get anymore "mainstream" than posting on YouTube to take anything "viral" anymore.

Re:Don't watch it (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656689)

Do you really think such a poorly produced, pointless video would ever have gone viral without some mainstream media help?

You're... new here, aren't you?

I mean, "new" as in "been away from anything even tangentially related to the internet in the past ten years". There have been far, far worse-produced videos that have gone far more viral than that, and it took the "mainstream media" MONTHS before they even acknowledged it.

Re:Don't watch it (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656467)

This whole "we're offended by this stupid lame ass movie by some random backwards dude nobody's ever heard of" thing has already been pretty provably demonstrated to be bullshit. This is NOT what they were protesting when the diplomat was killed a few weeks ago and most muslims don't even give a shit. Even the Whitehouse was eventually forced to admit that the movie they were blaming this all on actually had nothing to do with it. Even Pakistan's president had said that the film had nothing to do with the protests. But, hey, CNN and FOX tell me that's what the hubub is all about so durp durp.

Re:Don't watch it (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656731)

CNN and Fox were both reporting within 48 hours that there was at least some evidence that there was no protest whatsoever in Benghazi, and the entire thing was a premeditated terrorist attack.

Re:Don't watch it (3, Insightful)

nedlohs (1335013) | about 2 years ago | (#41656735)

Since you know so much about this maybe you can enlighten me.

The organizer of this London protest stated " Our next protest will be at the offices of Google and YouTube across the world. We are looking to ban this film.". You clearly know more than him, so what were they actually protesting about?

Or are you too stupid to realize that more than one protest is happening most of the time somewhere in the world.

Re:Don't watch it (2, Insightful)

Seeteufel (1736784) | about 2 years ago | (#41656749)

Muslim maniacs are just after the violence and outrage.

Re:Don't watch it (3, Insightful)

OzPeter (195038) | about 2 years ago | (#41656557)

It's not like TV stations are slipping this video in amongst their shows and commercials to trick you into watching it. If you don't like it, don't watch it, and stop trying to force your religious views on others.

The thing I fid interesting is that on one hand you have "don't watch it if you don't want to be offended/Free speech Yaaaaaay!!!!" regarding the anti-muslim propaganda while on the other hand .. you have doctrine for castigating any attacks on another people/religion .. so codified that it even has a well known descriptive name "Antisemitism"
 
I'm not saying that attacking one group is any worse/better than attacks on another group - however I do believe that a lot of people in western countries would have a different opinion if that film on youtube was anti-Semitic.
 
(and yes I know there are anti-semetic films on youtube, but they are not as well publicized as the film du jour topic of outrage. IE Videos from the Westboro baptist church )

Re:Don't watch it (3, Funny)

Walterk (124748) | about 2 years ago | (#41656561)

"Your honor, I object!"
"Why?"
"Because it's devastating to my case!"

Re:Don't watch it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656573)

Hate to do this but, child pornography.

"What's the big deal dude? don't like it don't watch it, right?"

Like it or not what is moral or not is a matter of contention and whilst I'm an anachist (politically speaking) I aim to respect my neighbours, upfront and behind their backs.

But what the hell, right? let's all just do and say what we want; fuck they guy under my boot and please sir please to the man above.

Re:Don't watch it (4, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 2 years ago | (#41656705)

Child pornography causes a very large amount of harm to children. The video in question hurts some people's feelings. Comparing the two is a vast stretch of the imagination.

death to all child raping Muslim scum (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656767)

Hate to do this but, child pornography.

What's the big deal dude?

Primarily: child pornography messes up the kids used to produce it.

The Prophet Muhammad was a child molester. Those who share his values complain they are being victimized by insufficient respect for their ways.

You make me want to throw up. Get fucked, child rapist.

really ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656617)

Fancy that, maybe we should use the same argument at the next nipplegate....

Re:Don't watch it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656793)

B-b-but others will watch it and mock the lord! We have to smite them!

Stop all this fighting. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656337)

For i am the real messiah.

Re:Stop all this fighting. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656385)

No, I'm the real messiah!

Re:Stop all this fighting. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656457)

I used to be a fake messiah, so I know all the tricks. I will offer one key to the [reward] afterlife to anyone who can pass a test that I design to prove that he or she is the messiah.

Re:Stop all this fighting. (4, Funny)

Christian Smith (3497) | about 2 years ago | (#41656489)

No, I'm the real messiah!

You're not the messiah, you're a very naughty boy!

I'll Play Your Game (5, Funny)

eldavojohn (898314) | about 2 years ago | (#41656341)

"Terrorism is not just people who kill human bodies, but who kill human feelings as well. The makers of this film have terrorised 1.6 billion people."

Well, even by the post-9/11-everyone's-a-terrorist [wikipedia.org] definitions, I don't see that but, very well, I'll play your game. Your redefinition of the word terrorist in the English language has killed my human feeling of respect for the English language. I have in my hand a piece of paper written in Crayola crayon that I believe to contain a 4,000 year old text defining English as a sacred language. You see I was drunk one night and I accidentally channeled Zoroaster [wikipedia.org] who is like, way older than Muhammad. And you have killed that spirit inside me. Also, your call for censorship completely kills my internal spirit that there is hope for humanity -- one of the greatest of human feelings. As such you sir are a terrorist by your own definition of the word, enjoy your imminent self-incarceration.

"Organisations like Google are key players and have to take responsibility for civility. You can't just say it doesn't matter that it's freedom of speech. It's anarchy."

Let me guess, you get to define the words "civility" and "anarchy"? Yeah, I get it, some parts of your religion are only compatible if there's one bearded male telling everyone else what to do. It's 2012, you better suppress that shit or you're gonna have a bad time.

Re:I'll Play Your Game (4, Funny)

scharkalvin (72228) | about 2 years ago | (#41656379)

If you people want to protest like CIVILIZED HUMAN BEINGS then more power to you. However should anyone pick up a stone to throw it at another human being in anger may you be struck down by a bolt of lightning from the hevens.

Missed Opportunity (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656629)

All these crazies in one place, close together.

Just one Cluster Bomb.

Re:I'll Play Your Game (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656641)

Yes! Harry Potter style

"It's 2012" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656419)

No its not - according to the Muslim calendar, its 1434 AH, so they're still mired in the 15th century. Just consider how violent, credulous and bigoted Christianity was in its 15th century. The Christian West has had over 500 years of development since then and Islam has a lot of catching up to do. Given that, our history tells us that they're going to get more illogical and extreme before things finally get better.

Interesting times, eh?

Re:"It's 2012" (1, Insightful)

geminidomino (614729) | about 2 years ago | (#41656771)

The Christian West has had over 500 years of development since then and Islam has a lot of catching up to do

Looks to me like they're catching up just fine. They've done an admirable job of mimicking the "Hurting our widdle feelings is tewowwism" whine.

Re:I'll Play Your Game (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 2 years ago | (#41656431)

Well... they could do what the New York Transit system did when encountered with the dilemma of some U.S. right wing f***heads buying bus and train advertising space and put up an ad right next to it saying "we don't agree with this but we need to accept this for free speech's sake". IMHO that is going farther than they have to go... but I guess that would help in the search for civility.

I am not sure we're going to have civility while we are in the middle of a culture war between different groups of right-wing assholes.

Re:I'll Play Your Game (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656469)

And of course we'll leave it to the left-wing assholes to sort out differences of opinion since they're so much more tolerant and objective. Right dipwad?

Re:I'll Play Your Game (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 2 years ago | (#41656487)

I don't think I was writing about the left wing assholes in my post. I don't think this topic was about that. I might be wrong...

Re:I'll Play Your Game (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656661)

As long as people hide behind hurt feelings so they can avoid dealing with their fundamental problems, it doesn't matter what they're told. These aren't rational people acting rationally. These are people who have been told how to act, and based on an emotional response, have chosen to act irrationally.

We've seen this time and time again from many groups of people, who feel that any kind of criticism is a direct threat to their being. Rather than intelligently deal with it they simply stomp their feet and bluster, hiding behind numbers. It's simply too easy to hide your actions behind freedom of expression while trying to rob others of theirs.

This will not end until human beings realize that faith and religion are not the same thing, that religion is a form of groupthink made prettier by claiming it is about faith, and that there is more than one type of faith: one that is rational, one that is irrational. The irrational kind can only be defended with emotion, and religion amplifies the irrationality of it all.

After all, if people kept their faiths personal, such videos wouldn't "offend" so many people. Its only because people label themselves and try to pretend they're the same that its possible. Once faith becomes personal again, you don't leave yourself open to such inane attacks and don't have to accept partial responsibility for the actions of those jerks who claim to share your faith and hence incite such films.

Re:I'll Play Your Game (2)

Xest (935314) | about 2 years ago | (#41656747)

I'd wager that if terrorism is killing feelings then those 1.6bn terrorised folk are terrorising the remaining 5bn+ people on the planet with this sort of bullshit.

Honestly, if people like this want to make it a numbers game by redefining terms, their viewpoint is still not justified, even when they've stacked the odds in their favour by redefining those terms and using arbitrary statistics in the first place.

Mohammad walks into a bar... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656349)

Mohammad walks into a bar. The explosion kills 9 and injures 23 others. Allah Akbar.

Re:Mohammad walks into a bar... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656727)

This posts only shows prejudice and ignorance of the Islamic faith. Muslims don't drink when they can be seen by others.

Re:Mohammad walks into a bar... (-1, Flamebait)

wolverine2k (2620741) | about 2 years ago | (#41656827)

You Mr. AC are an asshole! Never did he say that your stupid mohammad was there to drink. He just walks into it and you know to do what? Blow up...

Oh my (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656357)

A bunch of loonies declaring they represent 1.6 billion people. Grow up.

Re:Oh my (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656435)

Guess that means the other half billion [wikipedia.org] they don't represent are the reasonable ones that couldn't give a crap about this childish bullshit.

Re:Oh my (1)

cyfer2000 (548592) | about 2 years ago | (#41656675)

Shia, Sufism and etc. ?

My next video will be (3, Funny)

Dyinobal (1427207) | about 2 years ago | (#41656359)

My Next video will be "The Thin Skin of Muslims".

Re:My next video will be (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656437)

My Next video will be "The Thin Skin of Muslims".

My Next video will be "The Thin Skin of 0.1% of the Muslims and the Journalists Who Focus On Them".

FTFY

If we start a crazy-off between the Muslims and the Christians it's the Christians who will win by far (though only because they have been in power longer).

Re:My next video will be (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656757)

(though only because they have been in power longer)

I'd be tempted to say they are crazier also...

Refuse to be Terrorized (5, Insightful)

Meneth (872868) | about 2 years ago | (#41656373)

This goes for all peoples, including muslims: Refuse to be Terrorized! [schneier.com]

You're not terrorized by anything unless you choose to be.

When will these imams (5, Insightful)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | about 2 years ago | (#41656375)

Protest videos of "unbelievers" being beheaded?

Re:When will these imams (1)

arthurpaliden (939626) | about 2 years ago | (#41656397)

Right after they protest people being charged with and being found guilty of witchcraft.

Re:When will these imams (3, Interesting)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about 2 years ago | (#41656687)

Protest videos of "unbelievers" being beheaded?

Yep, the "terrorists" wanted to bully the world with that videotaped beheading. It didn't work, most people were not 'terrorized'. Revolted, saddened at the cruelness, yes. The bullies lost on that one, because we weren't scared. A terrorist is like a tiny little dog who constantly barks and nips at a much larger dog.

so... (2)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 2 years ago | (#41656393)

They'll use their freedom of speech to say that others shouldn't have it. Lovely!

This is idiotic. Again, I am not one of these "LOLZ! Look at the RELIGION OF PEACE" people around here, but this is where one says that if they don't like what was said that they should make their own video and refute it. Currently too man MAINSTREAM Muslims want my Internet to be censored to THEIR tastes. It needs to be a given a BIG FAT NO.

Terrorism of feelings? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656395)

Terrorism is not just people who kill human bodies, but who kill human feelings as well.

I find this extremely offensive, not only because they're trying to control what other humans can think, but also because they dare to compare the mental outrage at an idea to the physical killing and torture of humans. These things are not even remotely comparable except at a philosophical level.

...

After calming down a bit, it seems evident to me that these people are simply unable to cope with the cognitive dissonance that their one true belief may not be so true after all.

It's your belief; deal with it yourself. Don't expect everyone else to change their lives because you can't handle opposing thoughts.

religions are shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656401)

will these retards ever fuck off

First Pedobear (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656403)

I will never honor a pedophile having sex with a nine year old girl after marrying her at six. Truefax.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha

Muhammad was scum. Do not glorify him.

Re:First Pedobear (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656559)

That is disgusting!

Re:First Pedobear (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656693)

yes... just because it is against the customs of now, whereas it was normal politics for the time and culture... how ignorant.

Re:First Pedobear (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656777)

Why do you and how can you think it was normal in any way? That's just a cheap excuse. A child is a child. The End.

Thank's Google! (5, Interesting)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about 2 years ago | (#41656405)

I appreciate google's for their stance in not taking down this video. I won't be watching it, heard enough about it to know it's dumb. Muslims are upset? Like other religious people have had to learn, not everyone in life believes what they believe. They need to get past their upsetness over the video, it's just one angry guy's creation. Protest all you want in non -violent, non-hurtful ways, we should all have that right.

Re:Thank's Google! (1)

Lennie (16154) | about 2 years ago | (#41656477)

I'm fine with what Google has done and it is also the right of these people to protest against them doing so.

There is nothing wrong here, everything is fine, all is great, maybe not everyone is happy (about everything), but that's just life.

Re:Thank's Google! (1)

hack slash (1064002) | about 2 years ago | (#41656517)

I watched a bit of the trailer and I reccomend nobody should watch it under any circumstances, not because of the content but because the acting is fucking atrocious.

Re:Thank's Google! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656543)

I appreciate google's for their stance in not taking down this video.

The video has over 16 million views.
What do you think is Google's greater motivator: An honest believe in freedom of speech or sold advertisements?

Re:Thank's Google! (4, Insightful)

Toonol (1057698) | about 2 years ago | (#41656739)

The advertising revenue from a video with 16 million hits is too minor to have even factored into the decision.

Now, it may not have been strictly a corporate belief in free speech; it may have been a self-interested decision that if they start caving into demands like this they'll end up severely crippled in a few years... but I'm ok with that as a motivator.

Re:Thank's Google! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656761)

Google may not have a speck free record, but they generally do well in regards to their own code of ethics. I think it is a mix of both, but mostly because it does not violate their terms of use. At this point, I don't think that there would be much change in the number of views to really matter in regards to advertisement, and at best they are keeping it up to assist people in realizing how stupid the entire ordeal is.

A peaceful protest? (1)

CodeheadUK (2717911) | about 2 years ago | (#41656409)

The mainstream media probably won't even run this story.

Muslims need to fit the stereotype of running around burning flags and threatening to behead unbelievers before they'll stand a chance of getting on the news.

Re:A peaceful protest? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656447)

This isn't newsworthy. Why? London sees organised protesters every single day, and generally much bigger than this small effort. Maybe if they refrain from fitting their crazy behaviour stereotypes, they'll get a footnote in the news. Other than that, there's zero need to report it unless you expect every other little protest to get covered too.

Re:A peaceful protest? (1)

CodeheadUK (2717911) | about 2 years ago | (#41656635)

Agreed. This is no more or less important than any of the other protests.

However, if those who feel aggrieved see that this demo doesn't even feature in the local news when the violent and radical protests of last month got world wide coverage, which option will be chosen next time they want to protest?

Re:A peaceful protest? (1)

xenobyte (446878) | about 2 years ago | (#41656795)

Muslims need to fit the stereotype of running around burning flags and threatening to behead unbelievers before they'll stand a chance of getting on the news.

Too bad they're all oh so eager to comply... If they want to change the stereotypical image of Muslims, stop behaving like mindless morons confirming every cliché out there about Muslims.

I know there's 1.6 billion of them and only very, very few actually participate in protests, but the very thing they're doing paints them as extremists with no respect for anything outside their own limited world... I mean lining up in front of Google to protest against a clip from a movie made by someone else in defense of a man that's been dead for 1.300 years... That's lunacy - and a cliché.

Damn (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656433)

If I had known, terrorising billions is so easy, I wouldn't have spent those 249 dollars on a training course.

Clean up your own house first (4, Interesting)

MikeRT (947531) | about 2 years ago | (#41656473)

Terrorism is not just people who kill human bodies, but who kill human feelings as well

Then you will be more than happy to set the example by going back to your ancestral homelands to deal with all of the imams who preach hate and violence.

And to my fellow Americans, if you make any attempt to form a moral equivocation between what they preach about religious minorities (terms that are lifted often literally out of Nazi propaganda) and preaching against gay marriage and other weak sauce like that, then you are rightly regarded as a fellow traveler with these censorious cretins by every liberty-loving American.

Re:Clean up your own house first (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656683)

Particularly since "liberty-loving Americans" are typically homophobe southern racists.

Maybe I missed it... (5, Interesting)

Harold Halloway (1047486) | about 2 years ago | (#41656475)

Maybe I missed it but I don't recall 800 imams congregating in London to protest about the shooting of a fourteen-year old girl by Taleban psychopaths.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malala_Yousafzai [wikipedia.org]

Re:Maybe I missed it... (4, Informative)

skovnymfe (1671822) | about 2 years ago | (#41656599)

What good would that do? I'm pretty sure the Taleban doesn't live in London.

Re:Maybe I missed it... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656717)

if you can google for that link, surely you could also search for the large protests in Pakistan? ah no... let the bashing continue, much more fun eh?

They are just as afraid of the Taleban (2)

Shivetya (243324) | about 2 years ago | (#41656779)

as any teenage girl is.

The simple fact of their protest is this, Google won't kill them or their families for protesting Google's actions or inaction.

Obviously not compatible with Western society... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656493)

Why are we importing millions of people who hate us and want to destroy our way of life?

This comment is protected by the First Amendment (-1, Flamebait)

Swampash (1131503) | about 2 years ago | (#41656495)

Hey Muslims, lick my balls. Go back to the fucking bronze age.

Christians and Jews, that goes for you too.

London !US (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656787)

That's why they're in London, different country different laws.

Hypocracy or stupidity? (5, Insightful)

hack slash (1064002) | about 2 years ago | (#41656499)

They're using the freedom of speech to complain about the freedom of speech.

No wonder they're being ridiculed.

Re:Hypocracy or stupidity? (4, Insightful)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 2 years ago | (#41656677)

An open society lets the foul air in, as well as the fresh air.

When dealing with these folks, just remember not to be so open minded that your brains fall out.

Personally, I think that these Muslim folks are wearing out their welcome in western civilizations. They want to repeal our right to free speech, that many of us hold so dear as an integral pillar of what makes our societies so great.

Where were these idiotic imams before? (2)

backslashdot (95548) | about 2 years ago | (#41656501)

Why didn't they protest the taliban for trying to kill a 14 year old girl?

Why didn't they protest when a Christian girl was set up and charged with blasphemy? And that imam who set her up is now free on bail, why aren't they angry about that?

Sorry their silly protest has no credibility, they didn't protest when it really mattered.

Re:Where were these idiotic imams before? (5, Informative)

hyades1 (1149581) | about 2 years ago | (#41656605)

To be fair, there have been many protests against the Taliban over the attempted murder of Malala Yousufzai. In Pakistan, especially, outrage against the Taliban has led to large, angry protests.

Mohammed is a pervert (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656505)

Islam was founded by a pediphile homosexual. Sorry muslims, but your leader is a fraud. You can't hide it anymore. The truth has been revealed for all the world to see. If that pisses you off then perhaps it's time to do some soul searching instead of insisting that the rest of the world maintain your facad.

Everything is offensive (2)

concealment (2447304) | about 2 years ago | (#41656509)

Our modern societies are composed of thousands of cultures, ethnic groups, religions, sub-cultures and cults.

Anything you do will offend someone.

It's unlikely people are going to learn to live without being offended either. In this uncertain world, values and beliefs are sometimes all we have.

And so the conflict will continue, renewing itself constantly.

Sorry, thin-skinned violent bastards... (1, Flamebait)

dskoll (99328) | about 2 years ago | (#41656511)

... but it's time you learned a new slogan:

Google is Great

Re:Sorry, thin-skinned violent bastards... (1)

asifyoucare (302582) | about 2 years ago | (#41656571)

... but it's time you learned a new slogan:

Google is Great

Well that's a better alternative than "Allah is great", which when translated from the Arabic means "Run for your lives."

Hurt feelings (1)

doconnor (134648) | about 2 years ago | (#41656525)

Their unsupported belief on God hurts my feelings, too. It sadness me that there is such widespread and passionate rejection of rationality.

Then I remember they are just being human.

who let in the towelheads? (1)

noshellswill (598066) | about 2 years ago | (#41656527)

You want the 13-th century mindset of superstition and ignorance? Pick yo' poison. Best drive those Muzzi-wog bytches back to their scorpion-infested desert shiitwholes.

Is it even on YouTube? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656529)

Seriously. Try searching for it. It's an HD movie, right? Yet searching for "Innocense of Muslims" with HD content and 20+ minutes filtered, I don't find the 70+ minute movie.

Oh, and about the article, I'm sure someone is just using this movie as an scapegoat to rile up Muslims.

Until it is banned?? (0)

scsirob (246572) | about 2 years ago | (#41656549)

From the article:
===
  The group's next action was a march Mr Alam hoped would be "a million strong" would take place in Hyde Park "in the next few weeks", he said.

"Until it is banned we will keep protesting," he added.
===

So, let me get this right. They are trying to get their protests banned, right? In that case, I'm all fore it..
If they mean placing censorship on silly little pictures and movies, just because their toes are too large and their d*cks are too small, I have a different opinion.

I wish the United Kingdom... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656583)

...as well as the rest of the world, good luck in handling this growing and escalating societal problem.

Dear self-appointed representatives of all Muslims (1)

ericloewe (2129490) | about 2 years ago | (#41656595)

While I (and most of the western world) think the video is incredibly poor taste all around, I believe it is time to over it. You are only reminding all of us that that thing exists. While I believe it is your right to hate this "film", I also believe you are seriously getting on everyone's nerves. You are always welcome to leave our company and move to countries that have indeed banned the film.
If, however, you prefer to live in a civilized country, you must play by the rules of said country. Your input is not appreciated and we shall continue to live as we lived. Again, you are free to label us unbelievers, heretics or any derogatory term you may want, but please do so from the comfort of your favorite theocracy. Yes, the guy is a moron, yes, he deserves to be arrested for some technicality, no, I would not like to live with that idiot. However, you are only lowering yourself to the standards of "The Innoncece of Muslims".
We do not stone people because they insulted our faith or lack thereof. Please, stop advocating that we do. We also respect freedom of speech within reason. This particular "film" may have crossed that boundary, but please, be civil and let this fade into obscurity.
If you are a Muslim and feel offended, please don't, I don't mean to offend anyone, just to tell those that are bitching that I (and others) am sick of hearing about how bad they feel and how we are all evil for not taking down the "film".

Definitions (2)

chill (34294) | about 2 years ago | (#41656603)

Wikionary is handy for a definition of -ism [wiktionary.org] : Ultimately from either Ancient Greek (-ismos), a suffix that forms abstract nouns of action, state, condition, doctrine; from stem of verbs in (-izein) (whence English -ize), or from the related suffix Ancient Greek (-isma), which more specifically expressed a finished act or thing done.

Therefore terrorism would be a noun that describes a finished act of terrorizing. Or, the completed act of creating terror.

Terror can be defined [wiktionary.org] as intense fright, fear or dread.

What the film The Innocence of Muslims did was to lampoon [wiktionary.org] , ridicule [wiktionary.org] and belittle [wiktionary.org] the actions of the founder of Islam and the beliefs of its followers. There is a difference.

Conflating one with the other does the worst disservice to the people in the world who live in fear and dread because of the violent reactions of others who disagree with or disapprove of them in one way or another.

Saying "You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny" is not the same at all as saying "you will wear what I tell you to wear or I will murder your family, just like I murdered that other family".

Trying to equate the two is more offensive than that stupid video.

Ummah inflation (1)

benjfowler (239527) | about 2 years ago | (#41656615)

Isn't it funny how whenever Muslims complain about something, the figure they keep quoting for the number of Muslims in the world keeps growing?

15 years ago, it was 850 million.
10 years ago, it was a billion.
Last year it was 1.2 billion.
Now it is 1.6 billion.

Are they liars, stupid -- or both?

What's the Arabic translation of "Striesand" (2)

boristdog (133725) | about 2 years ago | (#41656639)

Because I think these folks need to learn about certain effects.

Dear Muslims, (1, Troll)

Rexdude (747457) | about 2 years ago | (#41656643)

9/11 - the one big terror attack that brought Islamic terrorism to the fore
2004 - Madrid
2006 - London and Bombay.
26/11 2008 - Again, Bombay, the Taj Hotel attacks.
And more recently, a 14 year old girl is shot in the head by the Taliban for daring to campaign for women's rights [firstpost.com] (where else, but in Pakistan).

Dear self proclaimed 'peaceful' Muslims, where the fuck were you during these episodes orchestrated by your co-religionists in the name of your wonderful religion? Where were the masses of allegedly moderate Muslims protesting at the gates of the embassies of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for aiding and funding these terror groups?

There's a complete sepulchral silence around these episodes, but one fucking cartoon or film and suddenly all these assholes get butthurt.

Re:Dear Muslims, (1)

Valor958 (2724297) | about 2 years ago | (#41656775)

Come on man, they're peaceful. Do you think they'll stand up against the extremists when all the extremist understand is hatred and murder in the name of a 'prophet'. They'll just nod their heads and say how sorry they are and how they're not like those horrible examples of their faith. Too bad those 'horrible examples' are those actually following the teachings of their faith to the T.

The whole idea is silly really. I don't subscribe to mainstream religion, but I am not without faith. At least Christianity picked a good leader for their faith. How much higher can you get than the Son Of God, who actually embodies God after he is killed.. to bad the 'Holy Trinity' isn't an original idea, nor is the concept of a demi-god, which is what Jesus was. Hell, Hercules was a demi-god, and IMHO, more impressive than Jesus. True, Herc did go a little insane... but he was tortured mentally... I think he actually suffered more than Jesus in the end. Jesus didn't even have a wife/family (suspect, but not proven), where Herc did.. and Herc was tricked into killing them. THAT is torture...
Taking that into consideration, what's so important about a 'Prophet' who has had their God speak to him? What REALLY makes Muhammad so important? There have been 'Prophets' for millenia who have had their respective Gods speak through them. Demi-god vs prophet... maybe Islam is just suffering from feeling belittled that they got one-uped by Christianity? Muhammad is nothing special... just a name for a faith to cry as they slaughter those not aligned with them. At least historically the Christians/Catholics have tried to be subversive (minus the Crusades, et al), while the Islamists have been the same since their inception.
You know why the Islamists are so eager to kill these young women and are so harsh to them? They have to send them to Heaven to stockpile the virgins so there's ample supply for all the 'martyrs' sending themselves up there in the name of their faith.
Congratulations Islam... you're last place in everything... at least you could have come up with a more convincing origin story.

Barbarians. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656649)

Pure and simple, these "protestors" are barbarians, and should be treated as such.

I may not agree with what you're saying... (1)

Tomsk70 (984457) | about 2 years ago | (#41656651)

....but I'll riot if it doesn't agree with what my God insists on.

Note: Asking questions is the same as disagreeing with me.

Your religion is like having the cold virus... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656653)

It's yours, keep it to yourself, don't cough on others, don't sneeze on others, and most importantly don't blow yourself up next to others.

You can do what you want with your religious views as long as your actions only effect you. Once your actions effect others, stop, don't do it.
If you don't like a movie, don't watch it. If you don't like a drawing of someone's image of Mohamed, don't view it. You don't get to tell someone they can't make a movie, or draw a picture. You can control your actions, no one else.

What they should do (4, Funny)

ArhcAngel (247594) | about 2 years ago | (#41656695)

If they really wanted to get it pulled from YouTube they should just send Google a DMCA takedown notice claiming the chanting or other noises made by any Muslims in the video is copyrighted.

Split opinion (3, Insightful)

Jason Levine (196982) | about 2 years ago | (#41656703)

On one hand, so long as they are peacefully protesting and not advocating violence against people until the video is removed, then they are well within their rights. No, you don't have a right to not be offended, but if you are offended you have the right to peacefully protest the offending material.

On the other hand, despite their protests being valid, they don't get to redefine the English language. If you offending someone, that doesn't make you a terrorist. If it did then we'd have to pretty much classify everyone as terrorists, since I'm sure everyone at least once in their lives says something that would offend at least one person. Terrorism is making people afraid to exercise their rights and/or stand up to the terrorists for fear of being harmed. Nobody is afraid of protesting against this video. Granted, I haven't watched the video, but from what I've heard it in no way makes threats against people who would disagree with it. It just makes a claim which offends some people. So they can go ahead and protest against it. That's their right. They can make websites decrying it and countering any points the video attempts to make. So long as they do it peacefully and not by threatening the lives of anyone involved, I'll support their right to protest whether or not I agree with their viewpoint.

The truth hurts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656751)

Just shows, the truth hurts.

God/Allah/Xenu/Zormagustar isn't that great after all.

No core problem (4, Insightful)

AdmV0rl0n (98366) | about 2 years ago | (#41656755)

With their demostration - if it was peaceful.

And they should be allowed to demonstrate. Such is a fundamental of this society.
But its not lost on me, nor should it be lost on_anyone_else - that their demostrate and represent everything that would unhinge that democracy, and its many hard fought battles. No, you don't get to silence opposition to your 7th century religion, and its crimes. No , you don't get to stifle and limit freedom of expression, just because it challeneges your religion. No, you don't get to impose your 7th century barbarism by trying to be a 5th column. The removal of religion from state took many decades in this society. Efforts to swing your religious desires into politics, and then into religious dictatorship are obvious, and must not be allowed to succeed. Ever.

'Submission' as muslims is your right. If you wish to be so fucking stupid and submit to this garbage - thats a personal choice you can take as you wish. But I *never* submitted to it, and I will not be submitted to it, not even by proxy, not by PR, not by propaganda, and not by 3000 idiots with stupid beards, pygamas, and/or Ninja outfits and retarted stupid idiocy whining outside of Youtube/Google buildings.

This is a secular state. If you do not like it, please feel free to go and live in one of the now many islamic shithole states that plaster this globe. But here is the fun part. Most of you live here because you did not like it there very much. Thats a freedom you very much have as much as standing round outside of a google building offending me deeply.

Oh, sorry, I should not mock your ability to be deeply offended every 5 minutes by everyone and everything. But I did. Whoops.

Nothing better to do? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41656825)

Like jobs? Family to spend time with? Education?
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