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Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal Out Now; Raring Ringtail In the Works

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the that-alphabet-song-really-gets-in-your-head dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The six month cycle that Canonical adheres to for Ubuntu releases has come around again today. Ubuntu 12.10 'Quantal Quetzal' has been released. There's a whole range of new features and updates, but here are the most important: WebApps — treats online services as if they are desktop apps (Gmail, Twitter, Facebook); Online Services — control logins to all your services from a single window and get them integrated into search results (e.g. GDocs for file searches); Dash Preview — right click any icon, get a detailed preview of what it is; Linux kernel 3.5.4; GNOME 3.6; Nautilus 3.4; latest Unity; No more Unity 2D, fallback is the Gallium llvmpipe software rasterizer; Default apps updated (Firefox 16.01, Thunderbird 16.01, LibreOffice 3.6.2, Totem, Shotwell, Rythmbox); Full disc encryption available during install; Single, 800MB distribution for all architectures." It's now available for download. The next version, due in six months' time, will be called Raring Ringtail.

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first (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696229)

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Next up: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696243)

Smelly Shit

I tried the preview (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696249)

But really found the integration with webservices annoying. Switched back to Debian and I'm happy with that.

Re:I tried the preview (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696353)

Ubuntu is for clueless n00bs.

Re:I tried the preview (2)

MrEricSir (398214) | about 2 years ago | (#41696483)

But really found the integration with webservices annoying.

You mean you don't like getting a popup window every time you visit a website? What's wrong with you!

Re:I tried the preview (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696513)

Canonical is following (or leads) Mozilla in releasing on a quick schedule, does this also mean Canonical will be pulling this release tomorrow due to a security flaw?

lamest name ever (2, Informative)

X0563511 (793323) | about 2 years ago | (#41696257)

Most of them are campy but not ridiculous. Quantal? Really? Not only is that silly sounding, but it doesn't even follow along the kind of names they have been using.

quantal, adj.
1. Physics
        a. Of or relating to a quantum or a quantized system.
        b. Existing in only one of two possible states.
2. Biology Of or designating an all-or-none response or effect: a quantal reaction.

Re:lamest name ever (3, Interesting)

X0563511 (793323) | about 2 years ago | (#41696331)

WebApps — treats online services as if they are desktop apps (Gmail, Twitter, Facebook)

Do. Not. Want.

Online Services — control logins to all your services from a single window and get them integrated into search results

Do. Not. Want.

Dash Preview — right click any icon, get a detailed preview of what it is

Why? Should this not be the job of the file manager? Doesn't it already do this?

Full disc encryption available during install

You win some points here. Good! You can finally do this without using the debian-installer alternative.

Re:lamest name ever (4, Insightful)

gfxguy (98788) | about 2 years ago | (#41696545)

I abandoned plain Ubuntu in favor of XUbuntu last year after giving 11.04 a try for a couple of months. In a recent discussion, a lot of people have told me there's a huge improvement in Unity... I actually don't really like concept that much, but I'm going to give it a go in case I was swayed more by the execution than the concept. However:

WebApps — treats online services as if they are desktop apps (Gmail, Twitter, Facebook)

Do. Not. Want.

Online Services — control logins to all your services from a single window and get them integrated into search results

Do. Not. Want.

Dash Preview — right click any icon, get a detailed preview of what it is

Why? Should this not be the job of the file manager? Doesn't it already do this?

I'm thinking the last thing I just wouldn't use - I'm hoping I can just disable the first things. I'm trying to get away from "social" apps, not get more into them. The only thing I'd use is gmail, and I'm happy with it in my browser and, if I wasn't, could configure an email client to use it. IOW, I agree - I don't personally see any value in these things.

Re:lamest name ever (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696677)

I never understood the appeal of Xubuntu. What's wrong with debian testing and the xfce-desktop task?

Re:lamest name ever (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696819)

Likewise, what is wrong with Xubuntu? If both just work for many people, there isn't any drive to switch.

Re:lamest name ever (1)

gfxguy (98788) | about 2 years ago | (#41696839)

I never understood the appeal of Xubuntu. What's wrong with debian testing and the xfce-desktop task?

Nothing. I've been using Ubuntu since 2006, and when I balked after two months 11.04, someone suggested Xubuntu. I tried it and found it acceptable.

Re:lamest name ever (4, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#41697269)

I never understood the appeal of Xubuntu. What's wrong with debian testing and the xfce-desktop task?

Ubuntu is a bit more updated and you can use PPAs because you'll have the deps. If these things don't matter to you, then nothing.

Re:lamest name ever (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696995)

>I abandoned plain Ubuntu in favor of XUbuntu last year after giving 11.04 a try for a couple of months.

I did this as well, then I read about how Xubuntu doesn't necessarily have a performance advantage.

Then I tried Ubuntu and replaced fscking Unity with LXDE... I noticed no real performance difference on the same hardware. Disclaimer: I am not playing with a minimum RAM machine.

I hate Unity as much or more as anybody else. Weird how I switched back to vanilla Ubuntu after playing with its variants.

capcha: teller

Re:lamest name ever (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41697319)

What TFS should have mentioned
is the upgrade from TeXlive 2009 to
TeXlive 2012. Ridiculous that an OS
with a 6 month release cycle gets new
versions so seldom (except Firefox and
LibreOffice).

Re:lamest name ever (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41697423)

I think the huge improvement in Unity happened for 12.04.... maybe try that first and you won't have to worry about those three things.... not to mention it's the LTS and it's supported with updates for 5 years

Re:lamest name ever (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696549)

The runner up name was "Queazy Quail."

Re:lamest name ever (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696551)

I know, what a missed opportunity for Queasy Quail.
Still time to rename their next release to Roaring Ringwraith, though.

Re:lamest name ever (2)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#41696555)

No, it makes PERFECT sense!

The official switch to Unity is perfectly quantal!

(Note, I hate Unity with the burning intensity of a class 2 hypernova.)

Re:lamest name ever (2)

Compaqt (1758360) | about 2 years ago | (#41696941)

What's wrong with Unity (in 12.04, not the braindead initial versions)?

Re:lamest name ever (2)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#41696981)

Makes silly presumptions about the features of graphics hardware, gobbles resources like an amphetamine junkie, adds unnecessary steps to get to a fucking console prompt, and is generally now what I am looking for in a UI.

Re:lamest name ever (1)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#41697001)

(I have no idea why the android input method system, with a hardware keyboard, continually makes a w, where a t should be, when used with words like NOT.)

(That should have read "Not what I am looking for" above. Not, 'now')

Re:lamest name ever (2)

happymellon (927696) | about 2 years ago | (#41697367)

what unnecessary steps are there to get to a console?

Super > T-E-R-M > in terminal.

It may be less characters to get terminal selected, but force of habit means I'll never know. How many steps does it take in your DE of choice?
Bearing in mind that if you are going to say "put it on the desktop, one click" then you can always pin the shortcut to the dock for one click that is never hidden.

Re:lamest name ever (1)

Ksevio (865461) | about 2 years ago | (#41696617)

I thought having animal names was suppose to make a version number somewhat easier to remember. Using animals like "Quetzal" which I can barely pronounce doesn't do anything other than make me think of it as that "Q" release.

Re:lamest name ever (1)

Aguazul2 (2591049) | about 2 years ago | (#41696703)

In addition, Quetzal is pronounced "ketsal", so doesn't even go with Quantal. But anyway, what does it matter, another will be along in six months.

Re:lamest name ever (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696805)

Most of them are campy but not ridiculous. Quantal? Really? Not only is that silly sounding, but it doesn't even follow along the kind of names they have been using.

I don't even know why anyone bothers with cutesy code names. All it does is exist as useless thing to remember, a way to alienate users ("Quantal what? Lenny who?"), and is more ambiguous than just a version number, even an inflated one like Firefox (what are we, at version 256.0.1?)

Maybe it's just supposed to be a fun way to pretend the work is more important than it is. Well, guess what, it's important anyway, no need to fluff it up.

(yes, I'm no fun at parties, either)

Re:lamest name ever (2)

SuperMooCow (2739821) | about 2 years ago | (#41696869)

I can't wait for the release of Firefox 256, which will become Firefox zero on Windows because it stores the program version number in a single byte.

Re:lamest name ever (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41697187)

What are they going to do after Zaftig Zebra? Aangsty Aardvard?

Re:lamest name ever (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41697449)

I'm holding out until Wascally Wabbit is released.

100 new features, 10000 new bugs, 100000 old bugs (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696271)

Same old same old. New "features" which reduce usability and stability, and no critical outstanding bugs from 2003 ever fixed.

Ubuntu is about marketing and nerd-wannabes. No respectable Linux person uses it any more.

Re:100 new features, 10000 new bugs, 100000 old bu (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696829)

what do real nerds run? i was running fedora but it didnt support my logitech keyboard properly.

i reinstalled ubuntu for their software center, which reminds me of coolgames.

Re:100 new features, 10000 new bugs, 100000 old bu (5, Insightful)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | about 2 years ago | (#41696999)

Real nerds run whatever the hell they feel works best for them and don't bother with trends.

Re:100 new features, 10000 new bugs, 100000 old bu (1)

shakezula (842399) | about 2 years ago | (#41697115)

I am a nerd and I like Debian stable.

Re:100 new features, 10000 new bugs, 100000 old bu (1)

iceaxe (18903) | about 2 years ago | (#41697351)

I'm running Mint 13 with MATE. I'm happier with that than with any other recent OS release, on any platform.

Be aware though, my nerd quotient may not qualify as "real", depending on your prejudices. YMMV, etc.

Re:100 new features, 10000 new bugs, 100000 old bu (2)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | about 2 years ago | (#41697011)

As great as open source is that indeed is one of the two elephants in the room (the other being documentation*.) Bugs get completely ignored as new versions get rolled out and then later marked as "Won't Fix". Firefox fixing their memory leak "any day now" is the running joke.

The only other option is start publicizing the old (critical) bugs that the devs conveniently keep ignoring.

How about starting by listing the bugs?

* Obviously there are exceptions: FreeNAS has done a fantastic job with there 8.2 User Guide!

Zapping Zebra (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696275)

I am waiting for the Zapping Zebra

Re:Zapping Zebra (5, Funny)

lennier1 (264730) | about 2 years ago | (#41696531)

Not that patient. I'll settle for Wanking Walrus.

Re:Zapping Zebra (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41697399)

Only 3 years ! Let's hope they'll actually do it. That would be the best and longest private joke on Linus ever.

Re:Zapping Zebra (1)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | about 2 years ago | (#41696871)

The last letter in the Swedish alphabet is Å, so I'm waiting for Ubuntu "Å Å"
which can be stretched to mean "on stream" (OK, it's quite a stretch), and is pronounced roughly "oh, oh" in a sort-of orgasmic way.

Ångström Ångström (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41697259)

Only on the Commodore 64 was Å the last letter of the Swedish alphabet, due to the PETSCII values assigned in the nordic ROMs.
The last letter of the Swedish alphabet is Ö, and "Å Å" is pronounced "Ångström Ångström".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85ngstr%C3%B6m

Re:Zapping Zebra (4, Funny)

SuperMooCow (2739821) | about 2 years ago | (#41696883)

I'm hoping for "Zany Zoidberg".

Re:Zapping Zebra (1)

phaedryx (1826532) | about 2 years ago | (#41697201)

I'm hoping for xenophobic xenops *crosses fingers*

LOL (5, Funny)

Alwin Henseler (640539) | about 2 years ago | (#41696339)

From the announcement:

The timing is such that users can experiment before deciding if they want to invest in Windows 8 or go with an alternative and bypass that confusing new user interface Microsoft will be shipping.

(emphasis mine)

Re:LOL (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696443)

If you've actually used Win8 for more than 5 minutes and are still confussed by the interface you really should reconsider if using a computer is right for you. The ranting and raving is tired. Get over it.

Re:LOL (-1, Flamebait)

clark0r (925569) | about 2 years ago | (#41696691)

Did you realise that switching to AC would make it less obvious that you replied to your own post? The point wasn't interesting. No replies doesn't mean "add your own".

Re:LOL (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696853)

Or maybe someone else replied? What are you smoking?

Re:LOL (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696905)

How do we know you didn't write that AC post? How do we know you didn't write this one? You're point wasn't interesting either, and adding a post like this doesn't make it more interesting. Unless you added this post to illustrate that.

Re:LOL (1)

Eponymous Coward (6097) | about 2 years ago | (#41696737)

Lots of people understand perfectly well how the new interface works but still prefer the old interface because for what they do, it is better.

I'll probably switch to Windows 8 for the performance improvements and buy a better window manager (or whatever it's called in the Windows world).

Re:LOL (2)

interval1066 (668936) | about 2 years ago | (#41697069)

Windows 8 (was 'Metro'), or "Raring Ringtail"... tap tap tap...

(So want to call it "Raging Ringworm"...)

Re:LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41697589)

rename it Raving Rottweiler and I might give it a try.

Can't wait for Shitting Sasquatch (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696359)

I'm even more eager for Trolling Tuna, which will usher in the year of Linux on the desktop.

The real question . . . (1)

smooth wombat (796938) | about 2 years ago | (#41696423)

Since Canonical is following (or leads) Mozilla in releasing on a quick schedule, does this also mean Canonical will be pulling this release tomorrow due to a security flaw?

Re:The real question . . . (1)

Isaac Remuant (1891806) | about 2 years ago | (#41696859)

I know this is meant as a joke but in case it's also a criticism of rapid release cycles as more insecure, I'll just point that slow release cycles often left vulnerabilities in the open for long periods of time. Who needs a zero day when the flaws are open and unpatched?

Re:The real question . . . (1)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about 2 years ago | (#41697193)

Well except in Canonical's case the updates are major changes and not necessarily fixes. Even if it included fixes relative to the previous release, it is possible to introduce more vulnerabilities to the system with all the new additions.

I'd much rather my OS version be long lived with security updates than having it cutting edge every 6 months. This is why Ubuntu has a 'LTS' version.

Timing is everything (1)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | about 2 years ago | (#41696431)

So after I get my new laptop this weekend I'll throw on 12.04, wait for the massive wave of updates to abate and then upgrade. I can handle that!

BTW, I'm running Peppermint 3.

if they keep using unity.. (0, Flamebait)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#41696453)

If the keep using that shittastic unity UI as the default window manager, can I officially nominate "sluggish Sloth" as the next iteration name?

Re:if they keep using unity.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696607)

This post was removed due to Dice content standards violations.

Re:if they keep using unity.. (4, Funny)

X0563511 (793323) | about 2 years ago | (#41696631)

I vote for Stubborn Sturgeon.

You know, since they seem to be so insistent on all this UI "revolution" nonsense.

Re:if they keep using unity.. (5, Insightful)

claytongulick (725397) | about 2 years ago | (#41696673)

You know, I've been down on Unity as much as the next guy, until a wild thing happened: my 13 year old son sat down in front of it, never having used it before, and started navigating and using it like it was the most natural thing in the world.

I was shocked, he didn't have any of the old UI paradigm hangups that I have, he looked at it with completely new eyes, and was immediately productive with it, using it in ways that had not been obvious to me.

After seeing this, I really had to reconsider my Unity griping. These guys really know something about usability, and while yes, there are flaws, they seem to be getting ironed out.

Re:if they keep using unity.. (3, Interesting)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#41696861)

I recently to a spin on the PPC linux road, after aquiring a free, used PPC platform from a friend.

Dropped on Ubuntu PPC. Completely unusuable with the Unity UI, because it gobbled down resources like an amphetmine junky. I am talking, unusably slow here. Like click the mouse and wait 10 seconds slow.

Boot to a root console, nuke unity, and install gnome 2. Oh, what a releif it was!

I'm sorry, but I am of the opinion that software should be be written to take as little horsepower way from user applications as is inherently possible, while retaining reliability and quality.

Unity seems to operate under the premise of "resources are abundant ad cheap, and I can squander them like mad all I want and get away with it. It's revolutionary!"

Re:if they keep using unity.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696959)

A PPC platofrm? You mean the one Apple threw in the garbage and who's latest operating system can't run because that would be ridiculous?

Man, I'm with you! This is the proof I've been waiting for! Mountain Lion 10.8 is shit! Clearly 10.3 and below were better. Apple has lost their ways...

Re:if they keep using unity.. (2)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#41697067)

It was more an idle curiosity thing. And yes, ancient crapple hardware.

But you know, linux is presumably more friendly with antiques than other OSes... so, why does OSX 10.4 run waaaaaaaay better than ubuntu?

Re:if they keep using unity.. (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#41697287)

But you know, linux is presumably more friendly with antiques than other OSes... so, why does OSX 10.4 run waaaaaaaay better than ubuntu?

Because, hilariously, the Ubuntu interface has more fancy gimmickry in it. Also, the OSX driver for whatever video was in there was probably better than the OSS driver is.

Re:if they keep using unity.. (1)

TheCarp (96830) | about 2 years ago | (#41696929)

Nice, I actually like Unity when I first used it. I like my GNOME2 interface alot, but I was willing to give it a try and, I liked it...or at least things about it.

That said, I also had issues with it, that made it somewhat useless for me (I often have 2 firefox sessions going with different profiles, it had no mechanism to deal with that, as the dock icon for firefox could only track one of them, and I couldn't have 2 that each tracked a seperate one... there were other issues, but I don't recall now what they were)

Anyway, I recently, in anticipation of this, installed Debian on my new desktop...with the full intention of using stable, which lasted 3 days before I upgraded to wheezy to get working sound on the new hardware.

Now I am using GNOME3....and while its very very similar to the Unity I used a year or so ago, but, seems to work a lot better.

The main thing I really miss now is encrypted home dirs via encfs and pam automount out of the box. I have been looking into how to convert the Debian box, but, haven't done it yet.

So have you (or anyone) tried gnome3 instead of unity on Ubuntu? Maybe I will switch back for now?

Re:if they keep using unity.. (1)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | about 2 years ago | (#41697169)

My GF is a happy Unity user as well (it helps that she went straight to 12.04, bypassing the buggy releases). It still doesn't work for me, but it's mainly because of the dock. It really messes up my workflow. I dislike it on the left, especially when using 4:3 monitors. The auto-hide functionality is terrible, it manages to make it both too easy to activate by mistake (like, say, when you want to hit "back" on Firefox) and too hard to activate on purpose (you sort of have to hit the area a bit too hard with your mouse). It's a shame, because I really like the dash. You can search a lot of different things, it integrates with package managers so you see not only you have, but what you can download, lenses are useful and being able to search a given program's menu items is great. Still, I can't bring myself to use that dreaded dock, so I'm using KDE.

Re:if they keep using unity.. (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#41697325)

The auto-hide functionality is terrible, it manages to make it both too easy to activate by mistake (like, say, when you want to hit "back" on Firefox) and too hard to activate on purpose

Fact. Why are they so dead-set against config options? Just make me scroll or click or dig some other way to get to them so they don't confuse the mundanes.

Re:if they keep using unity.. (2)

alexru (997870) | about 2 years ago | (#41697511)

"Productivity" for 13 years old and for productivity for adults are different. Unity works as long you are 13 and the only thing you need is facebook.

Full disc encryption during install? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696485)

Seriously? Debian had that since ... sarge.

Re:Full disc encryption during install? (2)

X0563511 (793323) | about 2 years ago | (#41696653)

It was always available, you just had to download the "alternative" install disk that would run the text-based debian-installer.

Dang, all these updates (2)

fuego451 (958976) | about 2 years ago | (#41696501)

If you switch to Debian you hardly ever have to update. Well, I did have to update libexif this a.m. but, just saying.... ;) Honestly, I kind of miss the old days of having to edit and recompile the kernel just to get sound, printing and, if things were going really well, a network connection. After 15 years, Debian is still a happy part of my life and will be to the end.

Tis what we get when web desginers make a distro.. (1, Insightful)

ilikenwf (1139495) | about 2 years ago | (#41696571)

Everyone knows how big of an abortion Unity is, and aside from that it seems that Shuttlebuntu continually tries to find new and exciting ways to piss of what's left of their userbase. It's all about the pretty, and not about functionality, unless it's to do with gathering userdata and showing ads. I'm sure he probably said something to the effect of "Oh, cloud this cloud that....let's integrate social networks so we can spy on our users and target our ads even better to those who install our OS."

Ubuntu is taking the approach of Microsoft - all pretty crap, little functionality, selling out their users, and so much abstraction that it forces the users to be perpetually ignorant of how their computer actually works. You need SOME basic understanding with Linux, otherwise you'll end up in package dependency hell.

Instead of just following tutorial after tutorial from their wiki and OMGBuntu, why not take a break and learn more about Linux first, so you can set yourself up with a distro that works well and doesn't feel like something that's being funded by governments of the world to try and spy on the people who use linux...like Debian, Archlinux, or really anything that's not run by someone like Shuttleworth.

done with ubuntu (1)

CosaNostra Pizza Inc (1299163) | about 2 years ago | (#41696599)

I downloaded and installed Cinnamon 1.6 DE for Ubuntu 12.04 a few weeks ago. I'm hooked on it. I've been reading up on Mint and it seems very appealing. That'll be my next desktop distro. I guess the next version is due out in a month.

Linux needs a standard shell API (4, Insightful)

MrEricSir (398214) | about 2 years ago | (#41696601)

Now that both Unity and Gnome have their own completely separate APIs for online accounts, it's time to start thinking about making life easier for application developers (instead of harder.)

Why haven't we created a single, standard shell API? Is it that so much to ask? Us app developers shouldn't have to spend extra time customizing our applications so they work under each shell.

Users shouldn't have to worry about whether or not their app's features will work with their shell. Why should they be forced to care?

No, it's time to put standard APIs in place and stick with them. Linux is supposed to be about choice for the user, not about preventing interoperability.

Obligatory (5, Insightful)

Cristofori42 (1001206) | about 2 years ago | (#41696667)

Why haven't we created a single, standard shell API?

Not disagreeing with you, but... http://xkcd.com/927/ [xkcd.com]

Obligatory xkcd? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696681)

http://xkcd.com/927/

Re:Linux needs a standard shell API (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696697)

Here's an article discussing how the differences are currently very great:

https://debarshiray.wordpress.com/2012/10/06/goa-why-it-is-the-way-it-is/

Re:Linux needs a standard shell API (1)

101percent (589072) | about 2 years ago | (#41696881)

Would you rather go with the GNOME foundation, a democraticly organized organization with multiple corporate and non-profit sponsers who welcome contributions or Canonical, who developed Launchpad for a year in private and who's solution to potential long-term issues is to blog about it then release some code and who's policy and procedure is a verbatim copy of Debian's policy just for the sake of having a referal document, and isn't even followed. At all.

Re:Linux needs a standard shell API (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41697063)

Would you rather go with the GNOME foundation, a democraticly organized organization with multiple corporate and non-profit sponsers who welcome contributions or Canonical, who developed Launchpad for a year in private and who's solution to potential long-term issues is to blog about it then release some code and who's policy and procedure is a verbatim copy of Debian's policy just for the sake of having a referal document, and isn't even followed. At all.

Really? I mean....REALLY?

Re:Linux needs a standard shell API (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | about 2 years ago | (#41697335)

Would you rather go with the GNOME foundation, a democraticly organized organization with multiple corporate and non-profit sponsers who welcome contributions or Canonical, who developed Launchpad for a year in private and who's solution to potential long-term issues is to blog about it then release some code and who's policy and procedure is a verbatim copy of Debian's policy just for the sake of having a referal document, and isn't even followed. At all.

Your misconceptions of the reality of Gnome aside, there's room for both (or any) model here. You don't have to agree with everyone's philosophy to agree on a standard.

! stable (2)

Nikademus (631739) | about 2 years ago | (#41696661)

Honestly, I tried Ubuntu countless times, recommended it to a bunch of people, used it on some computers for a while, but they should really concentrate in getting the bugs worked out. Unfortunately, I am afraid, I will not use Ubuntu anywhere myself anymore. Don't take it wrong, I like the fact they want to put the linux desktop where it should be, but each release breaks more often that the former one, and I really don't understand why. As sad as I am to say that, each Ubuntu release looks more and more broken, in fact it even reminds me of Windows.
I will stick with Debian on my desktops/laptops, I am currently using testing/wheezy, which is way more stable than any current Ubuntu, even the LTS releases...

And yes, I know I will be flamed to give my opinion and I am repeating myself, but Ubuntu should really work out bugs instead of pushing eye candy.

Re:! stable (4, Informative)

horza (87255) | about 2 years ago | (#41697021)

As sad as I am to say that, each Ubuntu release looks more and more broken, in fact it even reminds me of Windows.

Really? Your computer suddenly shuts down for no apparent reason whilst you are playing a game, only to find it reboots and completes some random update? You can't work because of the constant stream of Java/Flash/Antivirus that keep blinking at you to update them? All the utilities you regularly use keep flashing up nag screens at you or are crippled requiring you to upgrade to the "pro" version?

YMMV, for me Ubuntu gets more and more stable with each release. I have zero problems with PP (only a few apps like Simplescan and a couple of others). The only reason I won't upgrade for the forseeable future is the advertising spam in the Dashboard.

Phillip.

Re:! stable (1)

gslj (214011) | about 2 years ago | (#41697215)

The only reason I won't upgrade for the forseeable future is the advertising spam in the Dashboard.

Phillip.

One switch in the privacy settings and the "advertisements" are gone.

Gallium (not the element) is making a huge improvement in the display on my oldish main computer. I'm really liking QQ.

-Gareth

When the latest kernel's in KUbuntu? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696665)

See subject-line: I'll download it then!

* KDE fan here...

(I like it...)

APK

P.S.=> The main part I'd be after is having the "latest/greatest" core-kernel "baked-in" right away...

... apk

Why.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696731)

Why is it all these recent OS versions have such amazingly stupid names?

Adware/Spyware (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696741)

To get rid of the annoying adware/spyware in Unity.

$ sudo apt-get remove unity-scope-musicstores unity-lens-shopping

Re:Adware/Spyware (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696915)

E: Unable to locate package unity-lens-shopping

Ubuntu 12.04 contains unity-scope-musicstores (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41697253)

unity-scope-musicstores exists under Ubuntu 12.04, unity-lens-shopping not found.

sex with 4 Cum (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696793)

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I don't like Unity I use MATE or Windows XP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41696891)

Irrational allegiance to decrepit interfaces is what I hear from curmudgeons all over. Meanwhile 10 years have gone by and OSX leads the pack, Windows 8 threw everything Linux has copied so far in the garbage, Gnome 3 made things so bad that Unity, a fork, is actually pretty good all things considered. I use Unity every day and have no complaints.

And people pick on Apple's big cats... (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | about 2 years ago | (#41696955)

Quantal Quetzal

...

Wasn't that the villain Daring Do fought, or something?

Ubuntu is NSFW (4, Informative)

rmstar (114746) | about 2 years ago | (#41696991)

Seriously. If you search for 'titanic' and don't type fast enough you may see adult content.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/18/ubuntu_12_10_review/ [theregister.co.uk]

Or see the bug "No obvious way to restrict shopping suggestions from displaying adult products".

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054282 [launchpad.net]

I think the devs and the people responsible are underestimating the degree to which this is a major fuckup.

Re:Ubuntu is NSFW (1)

ilikenwf (1139495) | about 2 years ago | (#41697561)

This has made my day. Thank you.

Re:Ubuntu is NSFW (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41697605)

Don't you mean "Ubuntu is NSFW again"? I seem to recall a kerfluffle regarding desktop backgrounds a while back.

Getting better every release (5, Interesting)

jones_supa (887896) | about 2 years ago | (#41697085)

Maybe I'm a wide-eyed optimist, but I see a lot of potential in Ubuntu to bring desktop Linux to a whole new level.

Please consider Mint (3, Interesting)

interval1066 (668936) | about 2 years ago | (#41697101)

Mint Maya with XFCE is out, and simply useable. 'nuff said.

No Unity 2D? (2)

xQuarkDS9x (646166) | about 2 years ago | (#41697321)

This tweaked my interest with the mention of no more Unity 2D? I used to have an old version of Ubuntu on my desktop (10.04) then after several upgrades to 12.04 that eventually screwed up the kernel along with startup/shutdown issues I had to switch to Unity 2D for some sanity. Replacing it now with some kind of software rasterizer seems to me like such a kludge fix in my mind designed to piss off pepole even more and force them to switch to an alternative even quicker.

At any rate I've been using Linux Mint 13 KDE tweaked on my desktop and love it and have Kubuntu 12.04 on my girlfriends laptop and currently using Xubuntu 12.04 on this old clunker of a laptop (Dell Inspiron 1300) from 2006. Point is I love KDE and its stable on Mint (apparantly even more stable then Kubuntu) and heck even XFCE is a lot more usuable on an old laptop.

Old habits die hard when you're like me and 34 yrs old and using computers since the early 80's... Unity just offends me. :P

Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41697359)

Thank you Canonical, and thank you community ^^

Just felt I had to say something nice inbetween the "I've been using X-distro and it's much better", "Unity sucks because I want my desktop to be like XP", "OMG Canonical is nomming my search-results to make a bit of dough!" and the likes.

Seriously, STFU, put up with it or fork it and do it better. It's stale. No, Debian and other ridiculously stable distros are not gonna take over the world because they always look like they're 5 years behind. They look like your aunt in a mint-green cardigan throwing gang-signs and going "oooooooooowwww" at a rap battle when someone gets served. No, the vast majority of people are not gonna roll their own, or compile their progs from source, even if it nets them a good performance improvement.

I think people understand this, but they are butthurt that the world don't choose the same as them. Well I've got one sentence for ya: WELCOME TO THE FUCKING WORLD.

What?! (3, Funny)

Luthair (847766) | about 2 years ago | (#41697381)

I already had Randy Racoon shirts printed!

Moved on to Mint (2)

charnov (183495) | about 2 years ago | (#41697389)

I was testing out and as soon as I saw ads popping up, I moved to Mint (after a brief and very painful visit to Fedora).

Q-R-S-T-Unity Upchuck - it's coming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41697405)

After a few more letters, it's time for Unity Upchuck.

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