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The Long Reach of US Extradition

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the blue-passports-money-and-guns dept.

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CuteSteveJobs writes "The New Matilda reports how the U.S. is now able to extradite people for minor offences, and asks why foreign governments so willingly give up their nationals to the U.S. to 'face justice' over minor crimes committed outside U.S. borders? Lawyer Kellie Tranter writes, 'the long arm of the Government is using criminal enforcement powers to enforce commercial interests at the behest of corporations and their lobbyists.' A former NSW Chief Judge said it was bizarre 'that people are being extradited to the U.S. to face criminal charges when they have never been to the U.S. and the alleged act occurred wholly outside the U.S.' He said although copyright violations are a great problem, a country 'must protect its nationals from being removed from their homeland to a foreign country merely because the commercial interests of that foreign country.' Australia recently 'streamlined' its laws to make extradition to the U.S. even easier."

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There's a good dog (5, Insightful)

walshy007 (906710) | about a year and a half ago | (#41712761)

Australia has been the US's lap dog for quite a few decades now. They say jump, we say 'how high?'.

Re:There's a good dog (3, Insightful)

jonwil (467024) | about a year and a half ago | (#41712775)

ok, so who do I vote for at the next Federal Election that isn't going to bow down to the US and to big US corporations?

Re:There's a good dog (-1, Offtopic)

stms (1132653) | about a year and a half ago | (#41712807)

You could vote for a third party your guy won't win but at least you can send a message. If you vote Republican or Democrat you're essentially saying you guys are doing a good enough job as it is.

Re:There's a good dog (3, Insightful)

camperdave (969942) | about a year and a half ago | (#41712861)

I don't think they have Republicans or Democrats in Australia.

Re:There's a good dog (3, Informative)

FirephoxRising (2033058) | about a year and a half ago | (#41712879)

Some Democrats (not like US ones, party severely damaged some time ago by defections and scandals) , there were Republicans, I think the party officially still exists, no actual politicians though. The major parties are Labour (more left wing) and Liberals (who oddly enough are very un-liberal conservatives). Then there are the greens and quite a few independents, and the National party which is mostly an appendage of the Liberals, mainly in inland country areas. None of them seem to have much backbone in foreign policy.

Re:There's a good dog (4, Informative)

aNonnyMouseCowered (2693969) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713085)

"The major parties are Labour (more left wing) and Liberals (who oddly enough are very un-liberal conservatives)."

Left and Right doesn't mean shit anymore in any of the major English-speaking countries. The mainstream parties all seem to favor copy monopolies and increased surveillance of citizens. UK's Labour was a willing partner in Bush Jr's Iraq misadventure. I also remember reading in the BBC how the party was actually disappointed over the Conservatives' decision to block security "hacker" Gary McKinnon's extradition to the US.

Strewth, blue buggering ruin, etc. (3, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713693)

No, the main political groupings there are Inmates and Guards.

Re:Strewth, blue buggering ruin, etc. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713879)

They're talking about Australia, not the US.

Please try and keep up.

Re:There's a good dog (2)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41712817)

It doesn't matter, as long as it's not Labor and not Liberal. It's the only way to send a message that you're not happy with either of them. Sadly, very few people ever do this.

Re:There's a good dog (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713039)

Vote Pirate.

http://pirateparty.org.au

Re:There's a good dog (2, Informative)

Aaron B Lingwood (1288412) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713815)

Pirate Party Australia currently does not have the number of exclusive members required to register with the Australian Electoral Commission. This status is unlikely to change before the next election.

We do have a handful of more liberal minor parties that one can vote for, though most Aussies have never heard of them. Two that spring to mind are the Liberal Democratic Party and Australian Sex Party. Of course there is always The Greens, but who wants to undo centuries of human achievement and plunge back into the dark ages.

Re:There's a good dog (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713515)

ok, so who do I vote for at the next Federal Election that isn't going to bow down to the US and to big US corporations?

You're not really correct in calling them big "US" corporations. Many of these companies have major investors who are citizens of other countries, so while it might appear that your politicians are bowing to the US, in reality they are bowing to the rich and powerful in your own country.

Re:There's a good dog (4, Informative)

rmstar (114746) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713899)

ok, so who do I vote for at the next Federal Election that isn't going to bow down to the US and to big US corporations?

The big parties everywhere reflect what they can get away with. If you want to change something, you have to infiltrate them. Which means going to local party meetings, arguing, etc. Just hoping that someone with the right ideas comes along so you can vote for him/her does not work.

Much of what happens depends on someone doing it, and if there is nobody to do it, it just doesn't happen. If you want change - make it happen. Organize anti-extradition rallies, generate awareness, etc.

Everybody blames the politicians, but you must as well blame the people who expect someone else to fix it for them.

Re:There's a good dog (4, Insightful)

jonwil (467024) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713949)

Only problem is that its getting harder and harder to organize protests and rallies without being harassed by the cops.
Its also hard to explain these sorts of issues to normal people or to convince them that its an issue that they need to care about.

Also, as we have seen many times over the years, just because "the people" want something doesn't mean the government will listen.

Re:There's a good dog (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41712897)

What, not "a more vigorous breed of man" after all?

Re:There's a good dog (1)

mrmeval (662166) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713553)

These countries need to keep stroking US cock or they'll pay a terrible price. What that price is no one knows. Maybe we'll be stern with them. Maybe there's some secret orbital bombardment system us peons don't know about. Maybe these non-US countries need a spinal carbonate infusion. I'm an America, I am not the US and I find it tragic that so many countries kowtow to US. Get a spine. Where is the fun in ruling the world if everyone does your work for you? As an American I prefer insanely fierce competition, the US hands out money to GM losers yet I drive Toyota. I recognize excellence not political bull shit.

Give us our daily slap for we are not the be all and end all of human civilization.

Please.

Re:There's a good dog (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713649)

Australia has been the US's lap dog for quite a few decades now. They say jump, we say 'how high?'.

... Then I look at you crosswise and say: "I said JUMP, not Ask Questions!"

Re:There's a good dog (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713777)

...but remember an Australian (Rupert Murdoch) owns the most politically powerful media organization in the US. Murdoch is an kingmaker in America so maybe it's a weird feedback loop...

Re:There's a good dog (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713875)

Former Australian. He renounced dual citizenship for tax reasons.

Pleb? Who cares? (5, Interesting)

whoever57 (658626) | about a year and a half ago | (#41712765)

What do the elites care if a few plebs get sent abroad?

Mods: Before you mod me down, google "plebgate" or "pleb uk"

Re:Pleb? Who cares? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41712793)

Ugh, am I the only one who thinks the "elites" should have to prove themselves in hand-to-hand combat with whoever they are trying to enforce their bullshit on?
I mean...people are always talking about how the US does too much to other countries, but then they streamline it for us...let us take over their land for an embassy...

nocookies (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41712769)

second link goes to slashdot/nocookies

Fixed link ** Re:nocookies (5, Informative)

CuteSteveJobs (1343851) | about a year and a half ago | (#41712813)

Sorry. Not sure how that happened, but it was supposed to go here:

"ATTORNEY-GENERAL Nicola Roxon has authorised the extradition of an ethnic Tamil, wanted by the US on offshore terrorism charges, despite his fears he will be deported to Sri Lanka and punished. Ms Roxon signed the extradition order in February, sparking a legal challenge by the man's lawyers, who insist he has never been a threat to the US or Australia and that the alleged offences are more political than security-related. Documents obtained by The Australian under Freedom of Information laws show the extradition case was considered especially sensitive by Australian bureaucrats ... The FOI decision-maker has censored 1 1/2 pages of the preliminary advice to Ms Roxon, fearing the contests would harm international relations."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/foi/roxon-clears-tamils-extradition-to-us/story-fn8r0e18-1226438076806 [theaustralian.com.au]

Bribery (5, Insightful)

mbone (558574) | about a year and a half ago | (#41712811)

Countries allow this sort of abuse because the right people (or entities) have been bribed. Of that, you can be sure. The real question is, is it legal bribery (AKA "foreign aid," or other forms of government money), quasi-legal bribery ($13,000 sex parties paid for by lobbyists, anyone? [inquisitr.com]), or the good, old-fashioned, illegal sort ?

Re:Bribery (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41712877)

Several US Congressmen have said off record that they were threatened that if they voted against the PATRIOT act, bad things would happen to them personally.

Several US Congressmen have also said that martial law was threatened if they voted against the bank bailouts.

There is a hidden world government and the US is their enforcer.

100 years ago, the UK was their enforcer and look where it got them.

Re:Bribery (4, Insightful)

Endovior (2450520) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713093)

You got a citation for those assertions, or just random unfounded conspiratorial ranting?

Re:Bribery (-1, Offtopic)

mrmeval (662166) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713577)

If there was a WOG conspiriakii there'd have to be a membership criteria and it would have to have SOME public exposure or how else would they recruit? Clones don't work well as they're born stupid and current indoctrination techniques leave them lacking. They need diverse new blood, yes it's a 'jew' conspiriakii but seriously only a small subset of the Ashkenazim have a high IQ and only that from surviving a form of oppression that really doesn't exist anymore. Yes, that is sad but it does mean that non-jews can join the conspiriakii I just can find out where to sign up. It could not possibly be because I'm stupid.

Now lets see if anyone reads all of that and I don't get a karma smash.

Bribery- "U scratch my back". (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41712891)

Maybe, or maybe it's more a reciprocal arrangement. We get some of their citizens, they get some of their more troublesome ones back. Maybe we can help other countries with their "issues" and every country has "issues".

Re:Bribery (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713579)

My guess: the US government has given filtered access to their signals intelligence to those foreign governments.

The US government has access to mass surveillance data [wikipedia.org]. Giving limited access costs the US almost nothing but foreign governments would be slobbering over it. After all, this is to catch terrorists. They don't advertise it because it's unconstitutional, intelligence agencies want to avoid being called to account and knowledge of it by opponents would cause reduced effectiveness.

Counterfeiting (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41712825)

Wonder if they'd be singing the same tune if I was to begin counterfeiting their currency and offering it for sale to their citizens over the internet and then shipping it internationally? I think they'd change their tune pretty damned quickly.

They told me... (2, Funny)

AntiBasic (83586) | about a year and a half ago | (#41712831)

They told me if I voted for McCain, we'd see corporations exerting even more control over federal laws... and they were right!

think about it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41712833)

Why do men in prison give up their ass cherry so easily? Is it because they like nigger dick? Or is it because they don't have a choice?

Whu? Whu? I thought this was america! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41712855)

copper > No, sir, this is Australia

dunkard> Then why are you cuffing me for beating someone up in America? Can't I defend myself? I thought this was America!

copper> First, this is Australia, and second, this is Australia.

drunkard> Whu? Whu?

Two endings (1)

evil_aaronm (671521) | about a year and a half ago | (#41712883)

1. "Welcome to America, we hope you'll enjoy your stay in one of our excessively numerous prisons."
2. "I say, mates, fuck America! We don't have to take their crap! Those yanks don't control us! Do we stand for freedom, or do we stand for cowardice? Now, who's joining me on this kamikaze mission?!"

This is, (5, Interesting)

Truekaiser (724672) | about a year and a half ago | (#41712911)

One of the main reasons why the united states is not well liked by a lot of countries.
Think for a moment, imagine say, China, Russia, or say Norway, bullied its way into other countries in such a way that non-citizens of these countries could be 'deported' to them to face punishment. Punishment for laws they did not know about, or are not against the law in their own countries but against the law there.

Re:This is, (5, Informative)

Genda (560240) | about a year and a half ago | (#41712983)

Friend, the Americans aren't too happy with America right now. What they're (American Corporations) doing to your country they're doing vigorously all over America, and they're a damn site closer here, so if its chafing you, its frigging killing us.

This strikes me as a powerful indication of the state of the world. The Nation state is in decline. The multi national corporation is calling the tune, and the laws are now being adjusted to ensure that any infraction against the all mighty corporation anywhere on the planet is dealt with swiftly and with overwhelming force. The new terrorist is anyone who isn't consuming his proper allotment and paying his bills. Now might be a good time to take our world back.

Re:This is, (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713125)

how much tea did you drink at the party?

Re:This is, (1)

CodeBuster (516420) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713137)

Now might be a good time to take our world back.

They've got you outvoted, outnumbered and outgunned which means you lose. Thanks for playing!

Re:This is, (3, Insightful)

sociocapitalist (2471722) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713151)

Friend, the Americans aren't too happy with America right now. What they're (American Corporations) doing to your country they're doing vigorously all over America, and they're a damn site closer here, so if its chafing you, its frigging killing us.

This strikes me as a powerful indication of the state of the world. The Nation state is in decline. The multi national corporation is calling the tune, and the laws are now being adjusted to ensure that any infraction against the all mighty corporation anywhere on the planet is dealt with swiftly and with overwhelming force. The new terrorist is anyone who isn't consuming his proper allotment and paying his bills. Now might be a good time to take our world back.

The nation states where freedom and privacy used to mean more than they do today are in decline.

The nation states where freedom and privacy mean nothing are not in decline...they are growing in power.

Unfortunately we in the developed countries that are in decline are not unhappy enough in large enough numbers to effectuate change at this time. Only when the balance of unemployed vs. owners reaches critical mass will change become possible.

Re:This is, (4, Informative)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713683)

Unfortunately we in the developed countries that are in decline are not unhappy enough in large enough numbers to effectuate change at this time.

Unfortunate indeed. FTUSDI: [ushistory.org]

[...] whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

What's that they say of the cyclic nature of history? I put it to you that it's not enough to know history to avoid repeating it; We must also be mindful of it always. Otherwise, in the end there will be lots of, "sorry, but you leave us no choice" on both sides of the double edged sword of power.

Re:This is, (2)

Jessified (1150003) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713165)

And on that note: Prisons in the US are major business. And what do you do when you've mostly saturated your home market (with the US leading the world in incarceration)? You begin extraditing people from other countries.

U.S.A! Number 1!

Re:This is, (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713317)

Friend, the Americans aren't too happy with America right now. What they're (American Corporations) doing to your country they're doing vigorously all over America, and they're a damn site closer here, so if its chafing you, its frigging killing us.

This strikes me as a powerful indication of the state of the world. The Nation state is in decline. The multi national corporation is calling the tune, and the laws are now being adjusted to ensure that any infraction against the all mighty corporation anywhere on the planet is dealt with swiftly and with overwhelming force. The new terrorist is anyone who isn't consuming his proper allotment and paying his bills. Now might be a good time to take our world back.

Cut the crap, its American who are employed in the corporations and manage them. Its people like you who are doing it. Cut the we are also victims BS.

Re:This is, (5, Insightful)

Genda (560240) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713583)

Cut the crap? Okay by the numbers, 2% of our population is in prison, more than any developed nation on the planet, and with prisons everywhere switching over to private institutions, and prisoners working for $0.50 an hour welcome to the future of the American laborer. Since 2000 there have been half a dozen economic crashes destroying jobs and combined with corporations outsourcing jobs to India, China and a dozen other countries, entire regions have suffered economic collapse and acquired names like "The rust belt". Since the last major disaster, millions have lost jobs they will never see again. In fact the new jobs that have become available since 2008 are predominantly service jobs that forces 50 and 60 somethings to utter the phrase "Would you like fries with that burger?" Retirement accounts gone. Pensions gone. Health care gone, Benefits evaporating. Just this week our nation set an all time record for the number of people receiving food stamps. The top 400 richest people in America now have the same wealth as the poorest 165,000,000. The average wage is shrinking faster than the number of honest men in our government. Inflation, due to printing endless tons dollars to cover the bad debt of the bankers, is imploding the American economy, and fast destroying what little buying power remains in the middle class. The corporations are no longer loyal to America and have sucked it dry and are now in the process of throwing away the dry husk... so what part of this sounds to you like bull shit, because I can speak from personal experience, this decade of the corporation has ruined me financially, and I have so many friends and acquaintances that have suffered the same its almost a cliche.

Re:This is, (2)

indytx (825419) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713513)

The multi national corporation is calling the tune, and the laws are now being adjusted to ensure that any infraction against the all mighty corporation anywhere on the planet is dealt with swiftly and with overwhelming force.

Hey!!! Corporations are people, too!

Re:This is, (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713785)

Hey!!! Corporations are people, too!

But as every director/CEO learns, corporations can't go to prison. And the fines against a corporation are a fraction of their revenue. So, an amoral corporation is behoved to do anything which isn't blamed on a director.

Re:This is, (1)

baffled (1034554) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713895)

Now might be a good time to take our world back.

Take it back, indeed. The corporations aren't headless monsters, they do have directors and motives. Any given corporation can be targeted, and its' actions affected with the right approach. This could involve piles of cash to buy your way in, or bending motives in a field-centric way. Either/both avenues can be followed simply with hordes of average-joe participants.

An organization of the willing, coordinating efforts, identifying & focusing on the most critical/effectual corporations, would seem the logical approach. Any takers?

Re:This is, (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713923)

Friend, the Americans aren't too happy with America right now. What they're (American Corporations) doing to your country they're doing vigorously all over America, and they're a damn site closer here, so if its chafing you, its frigging killing us.

This strikes me as a powerful indication of the state of the world. The Nation state is in decline. The multi national corporation is calling the tune, and the laws are now being adjusted to ensure that any infraction against the all mighty corporation anywhere on the planet is dealt with swiftly and with overwhelming force. The new terrorist is anyone who isn't consuming his proper allotment and paying his bills. Now might be a good time to take our world back.

Lots of us played Deus Ex, too, and fortunately it's a fictional video game and not reality like you are suggesting.

Re:This is, (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713965)

Corporations only have the power given to them by the state.. All of this blame corporation crap is missing that key critical point. You give the government too much power and they will abuse it whether it is direct or by proxy.

So keep asking for big government.. It's exactly what you will get.

Re:This is, (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713005)

On the other hand, I suspect the US is doing this more often because countries keep complying. So the US pushes a little further, other countries comply a little more, repeat.

Re:This is, ... bullying? (2)

AxeTheMax (1163705) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713099)

You know, the classic answer to 'why do bullies bully?' Because the victim allows it.

Re:This is, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713049)

I'm sure that established practices will easily expand to include China as the power balance continues to shift.
Boots taste alike.

Re:This is, (2)

lxs (131946) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713589)

I don't live in the US, and I'm not a US citizen, but I don't blame the US for trying to get people extradited. I do however blame my own government for not properly protecting its citizens by complying too easily with every request.

Re:This is, (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713889)

I don't live in the US, and I'm not a US citizen, but I don't blame the US for trying to get people extradited.

Well, you should. It's part of our prisons-for-profit program, and you should be concerned about that.

uber lords (4, Interesting)

harvey the nerd (582806) | about a year and a half ago | (#41712929)

Those who have already lived in US sponsored dictatorships may better realize that the US government is already far more dangerous than the Nazis in terms of surveillance capability and raw power. So far, too few US citizens seem to recognize that millions of people suffered, or died, in a blatantly illegal, ruinously expensive war with Iraq that appears to be preparatory for domestic use. At least realize enough to stop it, permanently.

Re:uber lords (4, Interesting)

Genda (560240) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713011)

Oh no, There are a huge number of American's who are perfectly clear what's going on, and we have no illusions to what our nation has evolved into over the last 30 years, though as you suggest a vast mouth breathing, knuckle dragging majority has voted for its own slow motion suicide. As Mussolini said, fascism is the corporate state, and we are now all becoming pawns in a global power grab by monied interests. Strangely, we fought WWII to stop the tyranny of fascism, while at the very same monied interests here invested in the Nazi's and laundered their money in the U.S., England and Switzerland. The bankers and CEOs are the threat to liberty, justice and the advancement of the human condition. Perhaps it is time for a new fight for the dignity of the human spirit.

Re:uber lords (3, Interesting)

mdragan (1166333) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713271)

Maybe it's time for capitalism and the free market thinkers to acknowledge the fact that corporations have as much power to destroy the balance of the free market, as the governments. A corporation is a quasi monopoly.
Or we could start by saying that temporary monopolies like copyright and patents were never meant to enter the hands of powerful entities, such as corporations. The potential for abuse is too great. The copyright or patent should end as soon as the artist or inventor has been payed by selling his invention to a corporation. The corporations should pay for the right to publish the work or use the invention, not for a tool with which to kill competition.

Re:uber lords (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713759)

What a load of old rubbish.

Re:uber lords (2)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713113)

So far, too few US citizens seem to care

FTFY

Re:uber lords (2)

Hognoxious (631665) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713769)

So far, too few US citizens seem to care

The vast majority of them are fine, hardworking & God-fearing folks.

They have nothing to fear from measures like the Patriot Act; it's only bad people - tairsts, comnusts and hermersexuls - that will have their freedom curtailed..

Re:uber lords (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713117)

wad de fug1 :DDDDDDDD

So what... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41712997)

are we, the people, then to pay for the trail and incarceration of corporate enemies?

exporting "undesirables" ? (1, Interesting)

cats-paw (34890) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713007)

send them to the US so the US can pay to imprison them. So you've gotten rid of a "troublemaker" and you don't have to pay to deal with them.

I totally misread... (2)

LMahesa (1582059) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713009)

I totally misread "A Former NSW Chief Judge" as "A Former NSFW Chief Judge".
I need a break from the internet.

Re:I totally misread... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713029)

I read it like that, too. I was just like, "Man, this article is a step kinkier than we usually get on slashdot".

Re:I totally misread... (2)

dbIII (701233) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713243)

I totally misread "A Former NSW Chief Judge" as "A Former NSFW Chief Judge".

We had a few scandals about the private lives of some of them so it can be one and the same thing :) The judges in question were entirely professional at work so it should have been irrelevant, but the press likes a scandal.

Meanwhile, things are looking up in the Philippines due to talks between MILF and the government which could lead to the end of their conflict.

Fuck Americans (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713075)

Fuck Americans

Re:Fuck Americans (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713557)

No, America fuck you. We've been the major protector of the free world for 100 years and we get little in return. Be glad that we are peaceful when we can be. The alternative is that we just nuke the whole lot of you foreign little cunts.

Re:Fuck Americans (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713907)

bwahahahahahhahaaa.......

You're a bunch of Johnny Come Latelies who only ever got to the top of the heap because the Europeans fought themselves to exhaustion, twice in 30 years.

You're drowning in drugs and crime and are founded on slavery and religious insanity.

You can't pay your bills and most of you can't even afford a trip to the dentist.

You'll just be a minor footnote in a history book somewhere "United States of America.....See: Slavery, Drugs, McDonalds, Disneyland. Decline and fall..."

Hope you enjoyed your 50 years in the sun... *snore*

maybe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713105)

cause we feed their shit for brains people, and fund their military?

I probably shouldn't respond to Timothy's trolling (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713131)

...but I'll bite.

You can have either three* economies, in today's world, and still have a country:
Bronze/aluminum age -- agrarian
Iron age -- manufacturing
Silicon age -- information tech and design

The highest standards of living are in IT economies. Ask yourself this: do you want to live in bronze age India? Of course not. You'd rather live in iron age Brazil, or, even better, siicon age Boston. Most world leaders understand this, and that is why they are cool with draconian copyright laws. And in fact, if you protect innovation abroad, you in theory protect innovation at home, as well, and create the possibility of a local market. Most 2nd world countries WANT to become like America. They WANT an innovative and productive economy -- and that is why they support strong IP laws -- to hopefully boost their own economy into a knowledge-based economy, and out of 2nd or 3rd world stagnation.

The sad thing is though, innovation doesn't just come from a good marketplace. It comes from an intelligent, inspired, hopeful, dreaming, confident and curious populace, with time and ways to experiment. Innovation is no longer happening in America because we are not confident anymore. We are dumbed down, crushed and we have no more dreams. College was our only formal gateway to a better life, but that has suffered the fate of most monopolies and destroyed the market by overgouging consumers. Increased corporatism and restrictive patent laws have hurt individual inventors and made college a requirement for any white collar job, due to the fact that only big companies with many lawyers on retainer can survive amidst these insane IP laws. Those few big companies are flooded with applicants, and only distinguish between candidates by education level (read, debt/wealth background). In addition to a dumbing down college tax** and a noncompetitive marketplace (which rewards suing your competitor instead of inventing/refining a product), we also have the dilemma that there are fewer and fewer hobbyists being creative with stuff. Increasingly, everything is locked down, and single use. Even our water bottles are stamped "do not reuse." Not to mention the TV instant gratification culture which discourages critical intellectual activity, like reading a book instead of buying things from commercials.

So, no, wannabe 1st world countries, please do not copy us. We are not a knowledge economy, we are a consumer economy. We no longer create much, anymore. Yes, protecting IP is a good idea. But like anything else, too much of a good thing can be a bad thing. We need sane copyright and patent laws, not an elimination of them all together.
(And we also need local manufacturing, and less corporate litigation -- and less big business domination, period.)

*I'm not including stone age hunter-gather societies, because a) they got their butts kicked by everyone else, and lost almost all their sovereignty, and b) no one really wants to go back to the stone age, and there isn't enough spare flora and fauna to support that move, anyway.

** College has basically become a tax which everyone who wants to get ahead pays. And frankly, it is so insanely bad, that it's aproaching indentured servitude. Many first world people are actually advocating returning to a bronze age civilization, because the american college-industrial complex is so crushingly destructive, restrictive, and empoverishing.

Doesn't matter anyway (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713231)

I already live in the land of the free. Shame they can extradite me from my own home, though. Sucks for those people who live abroad now they have to worry about the same laws as I do. We all live in the same world, isn't it about time we work together to change those bad USA laws?

Yes, that's ridiculous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713253)

as the other way around it would be "an act of patriotism", "assertion of rights" or similar.

Straw an (0)

phayes (202222) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713269)

The country where a crime was committed was long ago determined NOT to be the most important in where the criminal should be tried. No country on earth accepts that s sniper on a neighboring hill should be tried where the hill is & not where the victims were killed. This self serving, ignorant attempt to justify being tried where one chooses is bullshit.

Re:Straw an (2)

Spottywot (1910658) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713409)

You must be one hell of a shot if you can snipe someone in America from a hill in Australia. Seriously, if you believe that the US or any other country should have this kind of power you must be crazy.

Re:Straw an (1)

isorox (205688) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713961)

You must be one hell of a shot if you can snipe someone in America from a hill in Australia. Seriously, if you believe that the US or any other country should have this kind of power you must be crazy.

Go to the border of Canada then. Shoot someone in another country. Where are you tried?

How about in the USA? Someone from California goes to Texas and shoots across the border and hits someone from maine who lives in Oklahoma, who is taken to hospital in Coralardo? Classic sideshow bob scenario.

What is the worth of other citizens... (1)

zugedneb (601299) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713467)

..when they only play WoW and download american content?
And really, in Sweden, it is all they do after school or work. The only people who have a healthy outdoors lifestyle are the young arab immigrants, who can't stay over in others rooms even for homework because the parents will think they are having sex...

What would I not give for some spontane football game with my neighbours... It was over 20 years ago I played the last time... But, alas, american content is better then fellow humans over here...

Re:What is the worth of other citizens... (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713501)

..when they only play WoW and download american content? And really, in Sweden, it is all they do after school or work. The only people who have a healthy outdoors lifestyle are the young arab immigrants, who can't stay over in others rooms even for homework because the parents will think they are having sex...

According to the Swedish stereotype the Swedish parents would probably rather they were having sex than be playing Wow.

Re:What is the worth of other citizens... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713919)

I think swedish parents want their kids to have WoW and sweaty sex in equal parts to maintain a proper life balance. Give them credit here, they love their kids like everyone else.

I think we're at the peak of the empire. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713483)

The USA is an empire with vassal states all over the world, but it's about to collapse just like the Roman empire, and for the same reason. An empire is expensive, and the will of the American people to maintain the empire is fading away.

Re:I think we're at the peak of the empire. (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713555)

The problem is that the next empire will likely be Chinese.

Re:I think we're at the peak of the empire. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713569)

I'm not sure that's a bad thing. China just learned that the way to get ahead is to cut way the fuck back on how much government interferes in people's lives. They're on their way to being a free country, just as they USA is losing it.

What gets me is (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713493)

If it is a Muzzie terrorist like Abu Hamsa it takes years. If it is a banker working in London who should be tried in the UK whooshh .... he's gone.

JEWS... that's why (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713499)

The JEWS are responsible for this, as always. We can't have ANYBODY getting away with not paying the 'Jew tax', can we.

Who controls your Congress? Certainly not the People.

THIS is who controls your Congress - you can mod me down now and get me banned again for telling the truth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asGvjbfIASA

THAT is sickening. Any cretin who tries to get me banned is therefore supporting this disgusting tyranny. Well done, aren't you clever, defending your Jewish 'masters'.

Re:JEWS... that's why (0)

jcr (53032) | about a year and a half ago | (#41713575)

Fuck off, Adolph.

-jcr

Re:JEWS... that's why (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713773)

Well argued. You idiot.

So that scene in Congress never took place?

Did you bother to read www.tomatobubble.com?

You have no idea what the German people went through, at the hands of the filthy Jews...

Tens of millions of white people murdered by the filthy Jews in Russia, and they've now taken over EVERY white country on Earth, and are destroying them through unwanted, undemocratic mass immigration of non-whites.

Do you have any better rebuttals than two word 'reductio ad Hitlerums'? LOL.

Planet USA (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713817)

... Australia recently 'streamlined' its laws ...

Slashdot has reported several extraditions to the USA from the UK where, essentially, US law has jurisdiction in the England.

This follows decades of preferential treatment for US interests: noticebly no-tax laws and the AUS-USA FTA. It is little suprise one Australian leader was called an 'arse-licker' for getting chummy with president GW Bush.

FTC Offers $50,000 For Best Way To Stop Robocalls (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41713947)

Hey US government why not use your lonnnng reach to go after those phone scum instead of someone who shared a few songs. Problem solved, where is my money?

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