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Trade Show Video Features Iranian Tech, Talk of Stuxnet Retaliation

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the but-stuxnet-was-fun dept.

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dcblogs writes "Iran recently held a security trade show and conference, attended by high-ranking police and military officials. A video by an Iranian news outlet shows some of the products, from crossbows to unidentified systems, and includes an interview with Iran's police chief, Brig. Gen. Esmail Ahmadi-Moqadam: 'It's true that the U.S. made Stuxnet virus did some damage to our facilities but we were able to get them all up and running in no time. However, those who attack should expect retaliation and we haven't gone there just yet.'"

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God is just (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714235)

It's fool-proof. There is no question God is just. No worries.

Re:God is just (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714289)

It's fool-proof. There is no question God is just. No worries.

anybody notice all the world's problems are caused by brown people?

lessee. drug cartels corrupt and take over govt in mexico - brown people.

islamic terrorism - brown people. matter of fact the peace-loving muslims are involved in the vast majority of hot wars taking place right now. there's about 125 hot shooting wars right now. muslims are involved in about 119 of them. the religion of peace. for brown people.

arab spring and arabs revolting and going apeshit - brown people.

the taliban and human rights abuses - brown people.

the so called palestinians (there is no Palestine) who can't accept the 1940s and move on so they have to kill people - brown people. they really dont care who those rockets hit either, kids, old people, other civilians, schools, etc. fine people they are.

oh yes and speaking of drug lords and dictators look at most of south america, wow hope you dont piss off the local gov't or cartel. want to hang out in cambodia? how about venezuela? - brown people.

now iran threatens to get a nuke. its leader wants to wipe Israel off teh planet. wow more aggression from brown people, not like that fits the pattern or anything! - brown people

but no that does not fit the agenda of political correctness and cultural sensitivity. to question is not sensitive, you know. sensitive means you mindlessly accept everything somebody does no matter how stupid it is because they are a member of a certain group. this is politics in america, let's not rock that boat! so i must be modded down. it is your duty as a brainwashed culti-multi drone. the brown people will still be aggressive though.

Re:God is just (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 2 years ago | (#41714315)

You see the world like that because your head is stuck up your ass.

Re:God is just (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714469)

You see the world like that because your head is stuck up your ass.

You did not refute a thing he said.

Should be easy for you, him having his head up his ass and everything.

Re:God is just (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714553)

Well, it's easy to refute: to him the problem are the browns, but for a lot of people (which the OP mentions) whites are the problem.

Maybe the OP does not care about the problems -- doesn't seem too worried about mankind as a whole -- but nonetheless it's important, or at least useful, to recognize when you're a thorn on someone's side.

The "head stuck" figurative speaking was supposed to be a joke (bad taste, but even so...) which kind of... whoosh...

Now, speaking of retaliation, and looking at the full set of clumsy initiatives the US took in retaliation to the attack it suffered, and specially at the high bill that only adds to the already shaken image of the US reputation worldwide (once champions of justice, now on the same class with Russia and China, if not worse)... well, retaliation doesn't seem as fun as it used to be, isn't it? More like let's shoot at my foot and see if it hurts...

As I once advised the US to be careful and not wage war, I recommend Iran wake up and learn to work with other nations to clear misunderstandings and put away fears -- for starters with total transparency. in a fight, having a weapon when you're sure to lose is worse than having no weapon.

Don't think I'm arrogant or whatever. Nobody ever listens to me, anyway...

Re:God is just (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714591)

That sounds like nigger talk.

Re:God is just (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714955)

That sounds like nigger talk.

speaking of brown people causing problems

Re:God is just (1)

Zagnar (722415) | about 2 years ago | (#41714983)

Right? And those american Indians, occupying our land for thousands of years and then complaining when we came, gave them diseases and kicked them off.

Re:God is just (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41715731)

brown people

No, all the world's problems are caused by ignorant people who still believe fervently in superstitious nonsense and use that belief as an excuse for all manner of misbehaving. I mean seriously, how can anyone have warm feelings towards a so-called religion that makes some people think it's OK to hurt little girls just because they want to go to school to learn to read and write? What the fuck?

Bomb them all back into the Stone Age. Make people who believe in Invisible Sky Friends undergo psychological treatment for delusional behaviour. The world is all fucked up in a large part because these people have been given free reign to do whatever they want in the name of their so-called "religious beliefs", and it's got to stop NOW before there isn't a world to save anymore.

FLiBe (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714237)

Iran would be a great place to showcase Fluoride Lithium Beryllium reactors, which produce crap-tons of power from unenriched fuel, even Thorium, while producing Uranium-232, which is almost impossible to use in nuclear weapons.

Re:FLiBe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714277)

This! If the Iranians really want nuclear power and aren't interested in weapons this is the way to go

Re:FLiBe (1)

sentientbeing (688713) | about 2 years ago | (#41714435)

Why resigned the wheel with non-standard energy technologies? Uranium reactors are well-documented, tried and tested. Everyone uses them.

Re:FLiBe (1)

sentientbeing (688713) | about 2 years ago | (#41715041)

Redesign. Dammit

Re:FLiBe (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714307)

And stake your countries energy on an unproven technology? Sorry, but if you're just getting into the nuclear game you'd want to adopt something that's been around for a while, not something that may be in production in 20 to 30 years.

Re:FLiBe (5, Insightful)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 2 years ago | (#41714693)

It would if their neighbour who they are currently at war with didn't already have nuclear weapons.

Again and again Israel has shown its willingness to attack Iran and other neighbouring states with conventional weapons. Since they are backed by the US the only realistic defence is mutually assured nuclear annihilation.

North Korea is in the same boat. The US doesn't like them, South Korea has a much better military. At least they have China on their side, but even so a long range nuclear weapon is probably the only way to guarantee that they don't become the next Iraq or Afghanistan when the Republicans eventually get back in.

Re:FLiBe (1, Informative)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 2 years ago | (#41714873)

Again and again Israel has shown its willingness to attack Iran and other neighbouring states with conventional weapons

show me ONE valid quote about israel wanting to 'wipe out' all arabs.

you can't!

but you can easily find holy writings in the quran that talk about 'dirty jews' and how they should be killed if found hiding next to a stone or tree. you can find SO MANY writings and speeches where outright genocide is preached.

please show me one instance of that in the jewish bible or any controlling document or concept in judaism where they call for the destruction of islam or its believers.

YOU CAN'T.

false equivalence is false.

but don't let that stop your jew hatred. its SO fashionable right now, isn't it? you must be such a 'good christian', too, I'll bet.

Re:FLiBe (5, Insightful)

ToadProphet (1148333) | about 2 years ago | (#41714957)

show me ONE valid quote about israel wanting to 'wipe out' all arabs.

All arabs? Who said anything about all arabs? Oh, but wait:

"We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- David Ben Gurion

You asked for only one, but there a literally hundreds by prominent Israelis. Now, for more relevant to the topic at hand, I suggest you google 'Israel threatens Iran'. You'll find plenty, with specific threats and timelines ("within months").

but don't let that stop your jew hatred.

Where did you get 'jew hatred' from the parents comment? Is questioning Israel's foreign policy 'jew hatred'? Would it be racist to question any other countries foreign policy? Why do you hate Persians?

Re:FLiBe (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 2 years ago | (#41716757)

So one person says something and that represents the country? Name a PM who endorses this?

Until the nuclear program recently you have not. Iran's words and actions state otherwise. They setup puppet governments in Syria and Lebanon and even a rogue army of Hezbollah whose goal is look after the interests of Iran and help plot to destroy Israel. I do not see Israel doing the same things.

Now they want a nuclear weapon and have funded the war with Israel in 2006 and I am sure Hezbollah would love such a weapon.

I am sorry but Israel is clearly not the bully here and Iran not the victim.

Re:FLiBe (1)

ChatHuant (801522) | about 2 years ago | (#41716881)

So one person says something and that represents the country? Name a PM who endorses this?

Uhh... David Ben-Gurion? He was the first PM of Israel, you know...

Re:FLiBe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41717045)

And the Arabs declared war on him and he was defending his country

Re:FLiBe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41718035)

The problem with this is that everytime someone says something against israel gets labeled anti-semite...

Yes they suffered a lot in ww2 (they were not the only ones) but 50+ years have passed and this rethoric does not justify israel's foreigh policy

Israel is as extremist as Iran they are both religious states so they are only different sides of the same coin...
Not to mention that israel has engaged in war against all it's neighbours (but somehow the problem is the neighbours)

Second i don't know what they teach you on the USA but you the UN aknowledges that Israel has constructed Ilegal settlements in foreign (Palestine) land...

Re:FLiBe (1)

KingMotley (944240) | about 2 years ago | (#41717959)

That is a pretty bad quote. First of all expel and wipe out are two different things, especially in the context it was given, in which the arabs had attacked and holding land the Israelis had.

Re:FLiBe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41716025)

Hey look: TheGratefulNet (143330)'s post is in the exact same style, in every way as the one by the Anon accusing brown people of being the root cause of all the world's problems.

You know, the post in which that Anon bashes Palestinians, and Muslims in general.

This post:

http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3198929&cid=41714289

What a coincidence, huh?

Re:FLiBe (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | about 2 years ago | (#41715963)

Israel doesn't border Iran. In fact there are even questions whether Israel can conduct an aerial bombardment missions over Iranian nuclear facilities due to airplane range issues. However Pakistan does border Iran and has nuclear weapons.

A heck of a lot easier (1)

amightywind (691887) | about 2 years ago | (#41716171)

It would be a heck of a lot easier to just glass the mullahs.

Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unstable (4, Insightful)

hessian (467078) | about 2 years ago | (#41714259)

I don't have anything against Iran, but different cultures are different and each needs its own space. Our values clash because we're different, and no amount of hippie kumbayaing is going to wish that away.

However, I don't think the time is right for Iran to have nuclear power. In particular, it is an unstable country with frequent political turnover, missiles and a possible intention to smite its neighbor Israel.

When Iran shows it's stable and mature, maybe it can have nukes. Until that time, I think it's insane to hand this dangerous technology to unstable people.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (1, Troll)

Lehk228 (705449) | about 2 years ago | (#41714301)

Israel has openly and notoriously demanded the US attack Iran for over 20 years, of course Iran should have nukes.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714319)

Israel has openly and notoriously demanded the US attack Iran for over 20 years, of course Iran should have nukes.

only if you subscribe to this moral equivalence bullshit that says: an islamic theocracy run by a dictator of questionable sanity is fully equal and worthy of teh same respect as a secular democratic government that hasn't threatened to wipe anybody off the map.

maybe you do believe that. me, i can't get my head that far up my ass.

tell you what. if you thnk iran is as good as a modern western representative democracy, the ultimate way to prove it is to go live there. i am sure they will be happy to have you. if you might hesitate to do that for any reason, maybe you admit it is not equivalent at all. some places in teh world are just dictatorial shitholes and it is too bad. let's not go around arming them with nukes.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714343)

teh same respect as a secular democratic government that hasn't threatened to wipe anybody off the map.

What 'secular democratic government' are you referring to? There's none I can think of relevant to this conversation, and you'd need to find a hell of a lot more fingers and toes to be able to count the times Israel or the US has threatened a nation or it's government. Hell, they've attacked more in the past 50 years than Iran has done in its entire history.

Iran didn't threaten anyone. It was a fairly mundane statement which amounted to the words 'regime change', and didn't even infer that Iran was going to do it.But folks like you lap up the propaganda... ah well.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (5, Interesting)

jftitan (736933) | about 2 years ago | (#41714795)

My very point of view as well.

    I ran should have the right to 'talk back' to the localized powers that be. When someone refers to Israel as a sane democratic state, the first thing that comes to mind is how Palestinians have been forcefully removed from their homes over the past 70 years. When we talk about Peace talks, Israel has always been the first party to flip the middle finger at negotiations. Then later on return to the UN tables to ask for Peace once more without any intention on following through. Bill Clinton stated it very clearly when he was President, and even recently when the subject matter came back up.

    When you have a people who are willing to go ahead and sign their land away only to be equally recognized as such by Jews. Only to be told. "fuck off", we will remove you from the OUR land. Gaza strip anyone? A bit of recent history where Jews have been actively sabotaging all efforts at doing anything fairly.

    But I digress, In regards to Iran what other nation is surrounding Iran with ever increasing military assets, and is in a continued war mongering path to enact war on a moments notice if Israel decides to fire first? .USA. The most updated military layout map I saw from CNN was a little over six months ago. American military bases surround Iran, thanks to our involvement in the Middle East. Do we see any military assets of Iran surrounding USA today? Does Iran have assets in foreign countries surrounding America with the active Political threat of attacking USA with WMDs? No and No.

  Does Iran have a nutty neighbor who violates just as much of any UN laws that are enforced/sanctioned against Iran? Yes. Does this neighbor actively garner support from its allies to "war with us if we goto war with Iran?", Yes. So I would say Iran has every right to build up its defenses when it has active aggressors who are publicly announcing they will go to war with them.

    As for Nuclear power. Why wouldn't we as a world power, allow them access to Nuclear energy when we could provide them access to those resources that wouldn't result in weapons grade materials. Why prevent a country from using cleaner energies, and rely less on foreign resources. Isn't that what the United States has been bitching about for the past 50 years? Getting away from the foreign dependency of resources.

    Iran doesn't necessarily have a unstable government. They just happen to have a government that has a higher authority of Clerics who can dictate the rules of how government acts towards its society. The government is strong in Iran. It was able to subdue the rising power of the Green Party, which was attempting to change the way the Iran government was heading. Even the United States wanted to help out in defeating the oppression Iran was having against Green Party supporters. USA couldn't intervene because of our foreign policy towards Iran. If USA were to have helped influence the Green Party in Iran, the Religious Clerics would have used that movement to give themselves more power to oppress. Instead the green part lost the elections, and the Iranian government has held steady to its power. Howe is that an unstable government?

    American's used the same excuse when we went back to Iraq to remove Saddam. "Saddam allowed Terrorists to roam his country", when in fact Saddam was a ruthless dictator who would never allow any rebel type group to succeed in Iraq, it could impose a risky behavior of rebellion. Allow a small group of rebels to use your land to fight a foreign country, and you open your country to all sorts of hell in retaliation. Saddam wasn't a dumb person.

    What we have here is a nation full of one sided story telling. If I truly wanted to visit Iran as an American, Iran would allow me to visit. If I were to go on a pilgrimage to visit holy cities located within Iran's borders I would be allowed to do so. Albeit through a few additional hoops and rings to get through customs. Americans are allowed to visit China, and Russia, and we were nearly mortal enemies with those nations during the cold war era. Why is it Iran is still such an enemy when in 1974 they used to be one of our best friends? Because America hates Muslims. that is what we are told to feel about a nation.

    I believe Pakistan hates America more... and yet USA still sends over billions in support money to a country that doesn't like us anymore because we found out Osama Bin Laden was living there for a while.

Oh if only I had mod points (1)

Mister Liberty (769145) | about 2 years ago | (#41715351)

Go go go!!!

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (1)

gerddie (173963) | about 2 years ago | (#41714371)

Israel has openly and notoriously demanded the US attack Iran for over 20 years, of course Iran should have nukes.

only if you subscribe to this moral equivalence bullshit that says: [...].

No, what is trying to tell you is that for 20 years we are told that Iran almost has nukes. One would think that if they really wanted them, they would already have them by now.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (1)

khallow (566160) | about 2 years ago | (#41714939)

I take it you've missed out on things like trade embargoes, Stuxnet, and assassination of Iranian scientists. There are reasons why Iran doesn't have fission bombs now and one of those reasons is because most of the rest of the world has been trying fairly hard and so far successfully to keep them from having nuclear weapons.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (1)

Yomers (863527) | about 2 years ago | (#41715355)

Yep, it's all have been going on for too long - let them develop the freaking nukes already, that will balance the powers and bring peace to the region. Or anybody really think they will bomb Israel? Nope, they will not, as Israel also have the nukes so it will be MAD (Mutually Assured Desruction). Polititians or religious freaks can proclaim anything to please the crowd, but they will not turn their country into nuclear wasteland, and that is true for the both sides of conflict, as usual. USA-USSR, India-Pakistan - MAD strategy is perfect working solution, untill 100% working missile defence system is developed by one side.

Iran having nukes = Saudi getting Pakistani nukes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41716863)

Letting Iran have nukes does not "restore the balance of power."
Rather, it destroy it completely.
Iran hates Arabs a whole lot more than it hates Israel. Now every unstable Arab regime will want nukes to defend itself. They have declared so!
Saudi Arabia will be the first to get them, as they are the ones who funded the development of Pakistani nukes and already have Chinese missiles that can carry the warheads.
Do you seriously believe that in this age called "Arab Spring" Arabs should get nukes?

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | about 2 years ago | (#41716635)

if, as the zionists contend, iran just wants to launch a suicidal massacre to kill as many jews as possible, they could have easily built and launched rocket packs which each contained ground up fuel rods, a sort of mother of all dirty bombs. launch 1000 military grade dirty bomb rockets, and 9000 regular rockets at the same time and even the best interceptor system would be so horribly overrun that it wouldn't matter, and even intercepted dirty rockets would be deadly.

therefore either

a) Iran does not actually want to destroy israel, this is likely because even if they were successful (give it another 15 years of US decline and throw in support from Russia and China they could pull it off) they would then have nobody to blame for their social and economic issues and would have to start /dealing/ with those problems, something they have not been terribly successful at.

b)Iran does wish to destroy Israel, but does not wish to do so more than they wish to survive, in which case them acquiring nukes would change nothing, as no amount of nukes would prevent the US from raining nuclear fire on them if they were to launch an atomic strike on Israel

lastly: if Iran were to get their hands on a few nukes it iwould force them to cool their rhetoric, as the better armed you are the less you can yell threats without getting serious consequences (example; if iran had nukes dinnerjacket would likely have been forced to step down and or given some hot lead therapy after his "wipe off the map" comments) just like two guys can yell and threaten each other loudly but if one of them pulls out a gun shit just got real

having nukes would then force an end to economic sanctions in one of two ways, either they would be ended because they serve no purpose, or once proving the ability to build nukes they could negotiate an end of sanctions in return for inspections and no new construction of nukes

ending economic sanctions would create trade which would normalize relations between people and governments

look at US/china relations in the past and present day, countries don't point missiles at important trading partners, at least not often

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (1)

khallow (566160) | about 2 years ago | (#41717603)

if, as the zionists contend, iran just wants to launch a suicidal massacre to kill as many jews as possible, they could have easily built and launched rocket packs which each contained ground up fuel rods, a sort of mother of all dirty bombs. launch 1000 military grade dirty bomb rockets, and 9000 regular rockets at the same time and even the best interceptor system would be so horribly overrun that it wouldn't matter, and even intercepted dirty rockets would be deadly.

There's no such thing as "military grade" dirty bombs. Radioactive material just isn't that dangerous. Israel's nuclear strike would be far deadlier.

having nukes would then force an end to economic sanctions in one of two ways, either they would be ended because they serve no purpose, or once proving the ability to build nukes they could negotiate an end of sanctions in return for inspections and no new construction of nukes

Given the second option, economic sanctions would continue to have a purpose, to get Iran to give up its nuclear weapons. It might also slow everyone else in the region from trying to get them as well. Saudi Arabia and Egypt aren't going to be happy with a nuclear Iran. One wonders if Pakistan and India might beef up their nuclear forces as well.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (1)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | about 2 years ago | (#41714341)

You are off your rocker if you think ANYONE should have nukes, let alone a nation led by batshit crazy leader. And yes, Israel doesn't like Iran, but they didn't pick Iran out of the blue. Iran has been spouting off that they want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth for just as long.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714363)

No, they said the regime occupying Jerusalem should be wiped from the pages of history. To paraphrase for a westerner: regime change. And they didn't state they would do it.

Regime change. How many times has that threat been made, and acted on, by Israel and it's ally?

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (3, Interesting)

GPierce (123599) | about 2 years ago | (#41714485)

Unfortunately, you can't believe the translations of Ahmadinejad's remarks. He says one thing and the published translation is very often a complete lie. On a number of occasions, he said that the Zionist government of Israel should be abolished (regime change) and this was immediately translated as "Israel should be destroyed".

By the way, Ahmadinejad' is kind of a nut case, but he is hardly the supreme dictator of Iran. He has very little real power. They keep electing him because his major talent is pissing off the US and Israel.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 2 years ago | (#41714551)

again, mr moron, iran is on record (as are most of the arab neighbors) saying that they would LOVE to have israel brutally taken off the map.

this is NOT a 'translation error' you sick fuck, you!

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714635)

It's quite difficult to take you seriously when you use terms like "mr moron" and "you sick fuck" in a discussion such as this one. In fact, the only option I'm left with now is to assume that everything you state has been stated in ignorance, and thus is incorrect.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714701)

Actually, it is. There is no 'wipe off the map' in Farsi - it's a western expression. That should be your first clue - a poor translation will use colloquialisms. The translation, appropriately interpreted, is 'Khomeini said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from page of time'. You know, regime change. Like the US and Israel threaten other nations with pretty much daily. And act upon. With the support of useful idiots like yourself.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | about 2 years ago | (#41716761)

Ahmadinejad said that the issue with Palestine would be over "the day that all refugees return to their homes [and] a democratic government elected by the people comes to power",[78] and denounced attempts to normalise relations with Israel, condemning all Muslim leaders who accept the existence of Israel as "acknowledging a surrender and defeat of the Islamic world."

Iran is opposed to the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. Because the Palestinians have more children than the Jews, Israel feels the need to maintain an apartheid state to preserve the Jewish character of Israel, if they stopped the ethnic cleansing and allowed the occupied territories to vote the Zionists would lose the elections, especially after decades of oppression.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714885)

Looks like somebody hasn't done their homework before joining the discussion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#.22Wiped_off_the_map.22_controversy

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (1)

Mister Liberty (769145) | about 2 years ago | (#41715347)

Israel has openly and notoriously demanded the US attack Iran for over 20 years, of course Iran should have nukes.

Hear hear!!
The parent poster is a bit shortsighted or selective
in his caution (at best).

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714329)

However, I don't think the time is right for Iran to have nuclear power. In particular, it is an unstable country with frequent political turnover, missiles and a possible intention to smite its neighbor Israel.

Iran has no intention of 'smiting' Israel. Power hungry people aren't suicidal, they want to hold on to power as long as possible. Israel and the US, on the other hand, have openly stated their intention to smite Iran. If I was Iran, I'd be making damn sure I could protect myself. Thanks America.

And what 'frequent turnover'? They've had two leaders since the 1979 ousting of the US puppet.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714411)

However, I don't think the time is right for Iran to have nuclear power. In particular, it is an unstable country with frequent political turnover, missiles and a possible intention to smite its neighbor Israel.

Iran has no intention of 'smiting' Israel. Power hungry people aren't suicidal, they want to hold on to power as long as possible. Israel and the US, on the other hand, have openly stated their intention to smite Iran. If I was Iran, I'd be making damn sure I could protect myself. Thanks America.

Uh, "protect"? Yes, because the best "defensive" weapon out there is of course the one weapon that everyone is afraid of actually fucking using...yeah, that makes a hell of a lot of sense.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714511)

You do know how M.A.D. works, right?

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41717541)

It was to be announced at the Party Congress on Monday. As you know, the Premier loves surprises.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714335)

Dood, as of today, i'm much more worried with the japanese having nukular powerplants managed by incompetence and corruption rather than the Iranian trying to develop some out of nationnal pride...

Also...

North Korea... /nuff' said...

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714361)

I don't have anything against Iran, but different cultures are different and each needs its own space. Our values clash because we're different, and no amount of hippie kumbayaing is going to wish that away.

However, I don't think the time is right for Iran to have nuclear power. In particular, it is an unstable country with frequent political turnover, missiles and a possible intention to smite its neighbor Israel.

When Iran shows it's stable and mature, maybe it can have nukes. Until that time, I think it's insane to hand this dangerous technology to unstable people.

I find it hilarious that you equate nuclear weapons to be a technology only for the sane and logical, when it would clearly take an act of insanity for anyone in any country at any time to actually use one.

Fucking. Dumbest. Argument. Ever.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (1)

khallow (566160) | about 2 years ago | (#41715007)

I find it hilarious that you equate nuclear weapons to be a technology only for the sane and logical, when it would clearly take an act of insanity for anyone in any country at any time to actually use one.

Fucking. Dumbest. Argument. Ever.

Do you really think it'd be better to have crazy people using nukes frequently rather than sane people in a tense but peaceful standoff with nukes? I fail to see the dumbness of the argument.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41715331)

Do you really think a subjective judgement of 'sanity' is the best way to determine eligibility for nuclear weapons?

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (1)

tragedy (27079) | about 2 years ago | (#41716325)

You can't have a tense standoff with nuclear weapons unless at least one party believes another party will use them. So, to have tense standoff, at least one side has to be crazy or reasonably believable as crazy.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (1)

amorsen (7485) | about 2 years ago | (#41716897)

You can't have a tense standoff with nuclear weapons unless at least one party believes another party will use them. So, to have tense standoff, at least one side has to be crazy or reasonably believable as crazy.

You are being a bit harsh on the US and the USSR now, aren't you?

To have a tense standoff, you just need to believe that either a) you can win a nuclear war by surprise attack or b) the opponent believes he can win a nuclear war by surprise attack. That can be entirely rational. The number of weapons available to the US and the USSR at the end of the Cold War made both a) and b) quite far fetched, but earlier it was much more realistic.

Iran cannot possibly believe a), and it is unlikely that they will believe b) either. Israel cannot possibly believe b), but could theoretically go for a). However, doing a nuclear first strike while already in the middle of conventional war is most likely politically unpalatable for Israel. During the Cold War, the US and the USSR did not have to worry much about what anyone else thought about Global Thermonuclear Warfare.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (3, Interesting)

hjf (703092) | about 2 years ago | (#41714389)

The problem is that the ones with nuclear power get to decide who's stable and mature. And that is nobody but them. And if they are becoming stable and mature, they just stirr things up a little to keep them on a leash. That's modern latin american history.

I live in Argentina. We had nuclear development, weapons factories, aircraft design... all of that was decimated by the US starting in the 60s under the excuse of "communism". One of our generals had to go and explain himself to the US congress (remember that the US doesn't recognize foreign sovereignity), about why Argentina was developing a long range missile.

Today Argentina is a mess, economically and socially. But it wasn't like that before US interventionism in latin america.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714427)

Until that time, I think it's insane to hand this dangerous technology to unstable people.

You miss the real problem, which is the fact that the technology doesn't need to be handed to anyone. The higher the scientific and technological capabilities of a country gets, the easier it becomes for them to build nuclear weapons. It's true that right now much of the tech for enrichment of nuclear material and the building of nuclear warheads needs to come from outside, but in the long run these proliferation issue will become more and more insignificant.

People still think about nuclear bombs in the context of the Manhattan project, a time when every single calculation had to be done by hand and the knowledge nuclear physics was relatively new. Things have changed, with computers and nowadays standards in physics it is much easier to build a bomb from scratch. At some point in the future, every technologically advanced nation with access to enough raw materials (which are not so rare after all) will be able to build atomic bombs.

That's why force will aggravate the problem in the long run, because bombing back troublesome nations into stoneage or killing their physicists will not work forever. In the long run, only treaties and 'embracing your enemy' will work.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (1)

GPierce (123599) | about 2 years ago | (#41714431)

For a supposedly unstable culture, Iran hasn't declared war on anyone for several hundred years. Iraq, with our encouragement, declared war on them. Israel, on the other hand has been threatening war against Iran continuously and since Israel does have nuclear weapons, they seem to be a lot more of a threat to world peace than Iran.

For all of that, leaving Iran alone might be a "solution", but we have been taking actions like Stuxnet and economic sanctions which amount to a declaration of war by the United States and it's stooges.

They are a different culture and I dislike much of that culture, but I kind of wish my country would stop acting like a third-rate empire and begin living up to our professed ideals.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 2 years ago | (#41714547)

your calendar is off; today is NOT backwards-day!

israel threatens iran. yeah, that's a pretty level-headed assessment of the world situation.

maybe I was just trolled. no one can be this stupid.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714611)

Apparently you can be stupider.

Israel has threatened Iran on numerous occasions, and continues to do so. And not a threat of retaliation if Iran does something... nope, a threat of 'pre-emptive war'. And their threats are credible - they've attacked several of their neighbours and have a significant arsenal of nuclear weapons.

Iran has not made any specific threats toward Israel. If you paid attention, you'd note that they've called for regime change and stated that the world must act to rid the 'Zionist regime occupying Jerusalem'. If you think a call for regime change is a specific threat that requires immediate action, just about every nation on the planet has been guilty of that. Hell, there's been tons of threats in the presidential election if that's what you believe to be a threat.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (1)

amorsen (7485) | about 2 years ago | (#41716931)

israel threatens iran. yeah, that's a pretty level-headed assessment of the world situation.

Think about it for a while. You will find that the likelihood of an Israeli strike on Iran is actually quite high. It has several times been talked about as a near-certainty in fact, but so far it has not happened.

On the other hand, Iran can dream of attacking Israel all it wants, but it will never work. Just look at the geography. Yes, they could in theory lob a missile or two at Israel, but the likelihood is that the missile defence systems will knock them down (unless the Israeli forget to do their firmware updates again). Should the attack succeed, the response from both Israel and the US would be overwhelming.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (2)

cavreader (1903280) | about 2 years ago | (#41717191)

The state of Iran has not declared war because they fund, arm, and support 3rd party proxies to project their power around the world. The controversy over Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon is not really about whether the state of Iran would actually use them. I don't believe any nuclear capable state would use their nuclear arsenal except as a last resort of defense. The risk is Iran providing a nuclear weapon to one of it's 3rd party proxies. If a 3rd party non-state actor was to obtain and actually use a nuclear weapon who would the victim retaliate against? Eventually the nuclear weapon could be traced to it's origin but would anyone support a retaliatory nuclear strike 6 months after the fact? This type of scenario negates the MAD philosophy.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714475)

Fortunately it is not up to you nor should it be to anyone else. They took so much "help" from the West in the last 100 years, so I completely understand why would they want a nuke.

  That way the US WILL keep out of the land. With one nuke, they won't be able to do much in terms of offence, but the deterrent to the US is immense, that is why they are afraid: not to be able to march in at will.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714605)

As far as I know Iran hasn't started any wars in recent history, unlike certain other nation that's currently surrounding Iran from all sides and constantly threatening them with violence.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (3, Insightful)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 2 years ago | (#41714739)

In particular, it is an unstable country with frequent political turnover, missiles and a possible intention to smite its neighbor Israel.

The US changes government every four years, and the validity of the vote is sometimes questionable. It has missiles and every now and then starts wars with weaker nations based on outright lies and deception, apparently for its own economic benefit. Israel has nuclear power and is hardly a model of peace and stability either.

Unfortunately the situation is now FUBAR and any hope of working with Iran to find an alternative is long gone. The fact that Israel has nukes really does not help, and even if Iran doesn't develop its own it needs the capability to build them quickly to deter attack.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (1)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | about 2 years ago | (#41715339)

Why can't they (Iran) abide by the treaty that they signed with the IAEA? (not US controlled, btw.) They refuse to abide by the terms they voluntarily signed that got them into the "nuclear club" so to speak. And you wonder why Europe is just as pissed and forcing sanctions on Iran for it? This isn't a "great satan v. islamic republic" standoff. This is about Iran not abiding by the rules THEY agreed to. Not rules made up by the US, but the International Community, including China and Russia, who are really not on board with Iran's belligerence either.

This "we've provoked the Iranians" bullshit is getting tiresome. I get that people want to defend the Iranians getting nuclear weapons because everyone else who is their "enemy" has them, but their voluntary signing of the NPT means they have obligations that they are not meeting, and are basically thumbing their noses at the other members (that include China and Russia)... (India and Pakistan are not members. Nor is Israel... but their conflict has been going on since 1948.)

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (1)

amorsen (7485) | about 2 years ago | (#41716945)

If we did regime change at every country which thumbed its nose at the UN, US governments would change monthly.

Re:Keep nuclear tech out of the hands of the unsta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41715071)

Thank you, King Abdullah?

propaganda for black ops and terrorists (5, Interesting)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | about 2 years ago | (#41714273)

Sure, mod me down as a flame bait if you can't bother to look at the arguments. This is nothing more than propaganda and not news.

Without serious information on what they would in fact do as a retaliation, I think we should regard this as cultural bluff and not an actual threat to western society. The only one that benefits from hyping things like this, are press agencies and people that work in the black ops part of government and defence contractors.

Terrorism has killed less people than traffic accidents, common flu and if you take a long time average over the last 100 years, I think even lightning strikes may come close to causing the same amount of deaths. However, the amount of draconian measurements taken and money spent on "fighting terrorism" is way bigger than for any of these. Given the fact that no objective measurable proof exists or is published, the best way to deal with terrorists is to not give in to them and keep on living your life the way you want to. That means not paying attention to them, or changing your habits. If you do that, they get what they want and they will have won.

Re:propaganda for black ops and terrorists (4, Insightful)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 2 years ago | (#41714383)

This story /is/ significant. The war between Iran and the US/Israel is escalating. Just like the US talks of retaliation against cyber attack so is Iran. Presumably anyone who thought it was okay for the US to say that also thinks that Iran is now well within its rights to strike back, causing material damage to US companies and infrastructure. As the US also said a limited military strike would also be considered a proportional response.

Terrorism has killed less people than traffic accidents,

What does this have to do with terrorism? This is a war between nation states.

Why does the US support Israel, at all? (5, Insightful)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | about 2 years ago | (#41714583)

Why does the US support Israel, at all? Israel has violated numerous UN rules since it was created, by the UN...

Why does the US keep supporting Israels bad behavior?

The Iranians hasn't attacked any other nation for centuries like Israel repeatedly has for the last four decades.

The current regime of Iran is a piece of fermented dogshit, but still, so is the Israeli.

Two religious evils don't make one good.

Re:Why does the US support Israel, at all? (-1, Troll)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 2 years ago | (#41714815)

stupid troll is stupid.

btw, israel is NOT about a religion. its about a cultural identity. if you actually knew what you were talking about, you'd realize that israelis are NOT, generally, ultra religious. they are 'like us' in that they want to be left alone to live their lives without fear of being wiped off the map.

name one country that israel tried to take by force that didn't attack it first.

you can't, troll. because you have no point to make other than to show your ignorance.

Re:Why does the US support Israel, at all? (2)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | about 2 years ago | (#41717175)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Israel [wikipedia.org]

"Religion in Israel is a central feature of the country and plays a major role in shaping Israeli culture and lifestyle, and religion has played a central role in Israel's history. [...] Israel was founded to provide a national home, safe from persecution, to the Jewish people. Although Israeli law explicitly grants equal civil rights to all citizens regardless of religion, ethnicity, or other heritage, it gives preferential treatment in certain aspects to individuals who fall within the criteria mandated by the Law of Return. Preferential treatment is given to Jews and their relatives who seek to immigrate to Israel. This serves to increase the Jewish population and provides asylum to people who face religious discrimination in the countries they emigrate from."

So, "freedom of religion", with preferences?

Do you understand the concept of double standards?

Re:Why does the US support Israel, at all? (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 2 years ago | (#41716657)

Correction.

Israel is a sovereign nation recognized by the UN in 1949 as such. It is not illegal for Israel to exist, contrary to what the Arabs will tell you.

What nation is Hezbollah a member of? Iran. What nation funds indirect wars with Israel from Lebanon and Syrian puppet governments? Iran. Who tried to assassinate the ambassador of Sauda Arabia. Iran. Who goes and bombs innocent Israeli tourists in Bulgaria? Iran.

The list goes on ...

Israel has a right to defend itself against a nation who has tried since 1979 to destroy and control the middle east. This is why the Saudi Kingdom and Iran do not like each other. Iran is not this poor innocent victim being picked on from mean old Israel.

Re:Why does the US support Israel, at all? (3, Insightful)

amorsen (7485) | about 2 years ago | (#41716959)

When it comes to setting bombs off killing civilians, Israel is doing rather better than Iran.

Re:Why does the US support Israel, at all? (2)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | about 2 years ago | (#41717545)

"It is not illegal for Israel to exist"

I support and defend Israel's right to exist!!!

"What nation is Hezbollah a member of? Iran."

Member? Hezbollah probably still is financed from Iran or at least used to be. That doesn't make them any better. Shit is shit from wherever it comes. I do not support Hezbollah, while I do support the Palestinians' right to a nation; yes, this is getting complex. Still, Iran is not Arabic, which doesn't make anything easier ... as you know.

"Who tried to assassinate the ambassador of Sauda Arabia. Iran."

Probably anyone or no-one, but not necessarily Iranians. Whoever, but that never gave them the right to do it, of course. Likewise, the Israeli Stern group killed the UN ambassador Folke Bernadotte ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte [wikipedia.org] ) on the orders of an Israeli terrorist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Shamir).

"Yitzhak Shamir [...] was an Israeli politician and the seventh Prime Minister of Israel, serving two terms, 1983–84 and 1988–1992. Before the establishment of the State of Israel, Shamir was a member of the Stern gang, an organisation that was considered a terrorist group by Israel which broke away from the Haganah."

only to later on become the Prime Minister of Israel... Whoever gave that Israeli terrorist the right to move on? That wasn't allowed, either... Complex? Yes, Sir. Israelis aren't allowed to kill foreign people either...

I support Israel's right to exist but condemn the repeated behavior of several Israeli governments as well as any Iranian threats in writing or speech over Israel's right to exist. Does that make me a leftist? No. Does it make me a supporter of Hezbollah? No. But it makes me wonder why, why, WHY do all these religiously slanted governments still exist?!

Israel needs support, yes. But so does Palestine. From what I understand, the US supports Israel:

"$3 billion in grants annually to Israel, with Israel being the largest annual recipient of American aid from 1976 to 2004 and the largest cumulative recipient of aid since World War II" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_States_relations [wikipedia.org]

whereas, technically:

"Palestine – United States relations are not diplomatic relations in the normal sense, since the United States does not recognize Palestine as a state, and the U.S. government is very cautious not to define relations with it as fully diplomatic." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine%E2%80%93United_States_relations [wikipedia.org]

Still, according to http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS22967.pdf [fas.org]

"From FY2008 to the present, annual U.S. bilateral assistance to the West Bank and Gaza Strip has averaged nearly $600 million, including annual averages of approximately $200 million in direct budgetary assistance and approximately $100 million in non-lethal security assistance for the PA in the West Bank. The remainder—approximately $300 million on average per year—is dedicated to project assistance for the West Bank and Gaza through U.S. government grants to non-governmental organizations (NGOs). Much of this assistance is in direct support of PA Prime Minister Salam Fayyad’s security, governance, development, and reform programs aimed at building Palestinian institutions in advance of statehood"

So, Palestine receives a large amount of money from the US alone, almost one fifth of what Israel receives. That is proportionally close:

"The population of Gaza Strip is about 1.7 million people." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip [wikipedia.org]

"These data sets suggest that the Palestinian Arab population of the West Bank in 2007 was approximately 1.5 million. There are 350,143 Israeli settlers living in the West Bank,[94] as well as around 210,000 living in Israeli-annexed East Jerusalem." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bank#Demographics [wikipedia.org]

"In 2012, Israel's population was an estimated 7,933,200 people, of whom 5,978,600 are Jews. Arab citizens of Israel comprise 20.6% of the country's total population."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Demographics

In summary, suspect any government which relies on religion, officially or de facto.

Still. In more than anyone way, I think the world is getting better!!!

Sorry for being an eternal optimist. :)

There is NO war. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41715155)

The war between Iran and the US/Israel is escalating.

That is complete and utter nonsense. There is NO war - let alone one with the US.

Israel is like the puny nothing who acts all big and tough knowing their retarded big brother (the US) will be there to back them up.

Israel is a rogue state.

Re:There is NO war. (1)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | about 2 years ago | (#41715365)

Israel is like the puny nothing who acts all big and tough knowing their retarded big brother (the US) will be there to back them up.

Tell that to Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq. (Yom Kippur War, 6-day war, etc.) Israel's lack of military action is as much the US's doing as those wars were when China, the Soviet Union, and Saudi Arabia were backing Egypt/Syria/Jordan/Iraq and the US was backing Israel.

Israel is a state created by the vaunted United Nations after WW2. So is Syria, Jordan, and most of what we know the "Middle East" to be today. So, in effect, the entire fucking region is rogue.

Re:There is NO war. (1)

amorsen (7485) | about 2 years ago | (#41717003)

So, in effect, the entire fucking region is rogue.

That is one of the large problems, yes. The same thing happened in Africa, national borders drawn with no regard to what the people living there believed.

In Europe it has taken centuries to get a reasonable agreement between actual borders and people's beliefs about where they should be. There are still quite a few latent conflicts. It will likely take centuries for the Middle East and Africa to get things sorted out after the mess the last couple of centuries made of nations there.

This.^ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714409)

The above is exactly the rational response we need to "threats" such as these.

Because as it is now, Iran is like the jackass in the school yard who pretends to throw punches at the other kids - never intending to hit them - for the purpose of making them flinch.

And boy have we flinched.

pathetic.

Re:This.^ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714479)

The above is exactly the rational response we need to "threats" such as these.

Because as it is now, Iran is like the jackass in the school yard who pretends to throw punches at the other kids - never intending to hit them - for the purpose of making them flinch.

And boy have we flinched.

pathetic.

That jackass shoudln't complain when he finally does that to the wrong person at the wrong time ... and summarily gets his ass kicked.

Re:propaganda for black ops and terrorists (1)

umghhh (965931) | about 2 years ago | (#41714555)

I suppose your statistic can be right especially if you count car bombs as traffic accidents.

Re:propaganda for black ops and terrorists (1)

poity (465672) | about 2 years ago | (#41714869)

Also, since IP isn't an accurate identifier, there is no certainty that Stuxnet was made by the US, even if "unnamed officials" like to take credit for it. If we were to follow the logic of some popular voices on Slashdot, we should assume firstly the possibility that it was a false flag operation.

*because it seems like "false flag" is a popular /. utterance for every hacking accusation the US throws out, but never for accusations thrown at the US. Just do a Ctrl+F for the evidence.

Re:propaganda for black ops and terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41715215)

I would like to agree with you, but, ouch, ...,

We admitted we had a hand in the Stuxnet virus. see here [arstechnica.com]

Re:propaganda for black ops and terrorists (1)

poity (465672) | about 2 years ago | (#41715409)

I'd like to agree with you too, but one can never be certain when false flags are everywhere and conspiracies abound. Or is it rationality here, but paranoia everywhere else...

Crazies shouldn't have access to nukes. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714357)

So, when will you give yours up, USA?

Let's just day (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714601)

Let's just say you are repeatedly threatened by a neighbor down the block. Then, a week later you see her target practicing with a bb-gun. The next week you see her at a local sporting goods store buying an AR-16 and a few hundred rounds of ammo. What would you do - maybe call the police? Oops, I forgot to mention, there are no police. Now what do you do?

Re:Let's just day (3, Insightful)

Gordonjcp (186804) | about 2 years ago | (#41714877)

Well, you do what Iran is doing - develop a bigger gun. If I lived next door to an armed crazy person (like, oh maybe Israel) I know I'd want to be able to defend myself.

Re:Let's just day (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 2 years ago | (#41716681)

When did Israel threaten Iran? Until they 5 years ago. NEVER.

THe analogy is more like a neighbor who has an elaborate plot to blow your house up, fund neighborhood kids to trash it and cause you trouble, believes God is destined for him to destroy your home and give it to your neighbors.

Oh and now they want to defend themselves before they get nuked and then cry uncle and how they are the victim of such a mean cruel neighbor.

Re:Let's just day (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714883)

The neighbour in this story of yours is Israel, yes?

Tattoos (1, Interesting)

m0s3m8n (1335861) | about 2 years ago | (#41714703)

Who in 1936 envisioned Auschwitz or Dachau in 1944? Well Israel has many citizens with tattoos from those very places. Now they hear similar rhetoric spewing from Iran AND see that they are actively working on pieces of a weapon that could unleash an even greater holocaust. I don't know about you, but I would take it VERY SERIOUSLY.

Re:Tattoos (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714833)

What does the holocaust, which happened in Europe and was enabled by rampant anti-semitism across Europe at the time, have to do with Iran? And what anti-semitic rhetoric are they spewing? Or do you equate opposition to Zionism with anti-Semitism?

By your logic, Iran should take very seriously the threats by Israel because of the Guangzhou massacre. Perhaps they should also be given nuclear weapons, lest it happen again.

This is the problem which has allowed Israel to become a pariah state - the cries and paranoia about anti-Semitism. It's bullshit - Israel is terrorizing its neighbours and wreaking havoc in the middle east. Hiding behind the veil of anti-Semitism and using what a bunch of shit-for-brains Europeans did as an excuse for acting like they do is despicable cowardice.

Re:Tattoos (1)

Thiez (1281866) | about 2 years ago | (#41715099)

Except that this time the Jews have their own country, military, nukes, and backing of the USA. Meanwhile Iran, with the exception of Israel, has the largest Jewish population in the Middle East.

Let's be honest here, the tensions between Iran and Israel have very little to do with Iran hating the Jews, Iran is not going to start a war with Israel unless forced to because they have very little chance of winning (with Israel having nukes and a rather overpowered ally), and even if Iran had nukes they would only use them on Israel as a last resort because the USA would turn their country in a big sheet of glass about 30 minutes later.

Re:Tattoos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41715335)

According to this [wikipedia.org] and this [wikipedia.org] Iran has a population of around 75 million. The estimated the number of Jews in Iran is 25,000. Roughly 1 out of every 3000.

That is so very few! If you are correct and Iran really does have the second largest Jewish population in the Middle East, than there must be very few Jews indeed in the rest of the Middle East. Are you sure?

Re:Tattoos (1)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | about 2 years ago | (#41715407)

Iran has two very powerful allies. China and the Russian Federation. Do you really think it'd be that one-sided? Europe and the United States aren't the only powers meddling in the Middle East. I don't get why people think that Israel/US will supposedly wipe the floor with Iran and China and Russia will sit back and get the popcorn. It's FAR more complicated than you give this credit for.. but whatever makes you sleep at night, I guess. ;) Rather, not sleep considering your scenario is pretty grim.

Wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41714789)

Where are the booth babes?

Sometimes you just have to go to (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41715015)

War and get it over with.
You dont wait for your foe to arm them self better.
That is a fools game.

That policeman's a FOOL... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41715385)

"Iran's police chief, Brig. Gen. Esmail Ahmadi-Moqadam: 'It's true that the U.S. made Stuxnet virus did some damage to our facilities but we were able to get them all up and running in no time. However, those who attack should expect retaliation and we haven't gone there just yet.'"" - QUOTE FROM ARTICLE ITSELF AS SUMMARY POSTED HERE ON /.

See subject-line: The man was very, Very, VERY FOOLISH stating that, as imo @ least, it is WHAT "the infamous they" WANT!

I.E.-> Go on, make that next move, get "tough"... since then, after that? We can TRULY really SHOW YOU, what "tough" is...

* I'd almost BANK on it that the "powers that be" WANT them to make some move like that, ala "go for it, so we can utterly PUMMEL you out of existence, eliminating future issues from you!"...

You don't hassle a GIANT, even if they took a small "poke" @ you first, unless you are SURE you can win... & I honestly do NOT *think* Iran can even BEGIN to hassle us in the least without being utterly turned into a giant bowl of green fused glass in a crater in the end.

That's just how the "real world", works...

APK

P.S.=> Talking about it & implicating yourself should it happen, especially if NOT from Iran? Stupid... Then, there's actually going @ it and doing it... And, doing it?? Even MORE stupid - give the "other side" (the USA & Israel most likely) an excuse on political grounds to utterly WIPE YOU OUT...

... apk

BRING IT ON (1)

Kerstyun (832278) | about 2 years ago | (#41715433)

Common have a try, towl-head moon cult sand nigger's.
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