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Black Sheep Blackberry Blackballed By Business

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the die-hards-know-disco-is-not-dead dept.

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Hugh Pickens writes "Nicole Perlroth writes that the BlackBerry, once proudly carried by the high-powered and the elite, has become a magnet for mockery and derision from those with iPhones and the latest Android phones. as Research in Motion clings to less than 5 percent of the smartphone market — down from a dominating 50 percent just three years ago. One of the first steps Marissa Mayer took as Yahoo's newly appointed chief executive to remake the company's stodgy image was to trade in employees' BlackBerrys for iPhones and Androids and although BlackBerrys may still linger in Washington, Wall Street and the legal profession, in Silicon Valley they are as rare as a necktie. BlackBerry outcasts say that, increasingly, they suffer from shame and public humiliation as they watch their counterparts mingle on social networking apps that are not available to them, take higher-resolution photos, and effortlessly navigate streets — and the Internet — with better GPS and faster browsing."

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So fucking what? (5, Insightful)

MagusSlurpy (592575) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727251)

Stupid people like to tease me for liking Star Trek and the Misfits. Fuck them, it's what *I* like that matters to me. If you switch phones because your old one isn't cool enough, you're a dipshit and deserved the mockery you were getting in the first place.

Re:So fucking what? (5, Insightful)

arcite (661011) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727275)

No kidding. A BB is a BUSINESS tool. If you want a no nonsense device with a physical keyboard and superior email and message handling, a BB is still the best.

Re:So fucking what? (5, Insightful)

FreakyGeeky (23009) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727295)

This thinking is exactly why RIM is in trouble. "But we do business email best! We'll always have a market!"

Re:So fucking what? (2, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727557)

But they dont. Android and iPhone utterly crush the BB in "business email".

the BB is an exercise in frustration with email. android Jelly Bean's email client is a dream compared to the BB. Oh and it works great with our company exchange server, no nasty useless poorly written BB server in the back office that everyone hated to deal with.

Re:So fucking what? (4, Informative)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727571)

To be fair, they will always have a market. It'll just be an extremely limited market of companies whose people need to be mobile and not using phones, yet still able to send and receive urgent messages. One example I know of offhand is Disney's theme parks, where supervisors carry Blackberry devices only for emergency emails while they're out in public. The supervisors can't waste time playing games, yet they can still call 911 and stay up-to-date on the status of the resort. The Blackberry devices look professional and do exactly what's needed, and nothing more.

Re:So fucking what? (5, Insightful)

jbolden (176878) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727323)

You should read the article. It was attacking the functionality of the BB as a business tool as well: mapping, not having all the messaging features, and client's having a low opinion of it. I don't think things are really that bad for BB but this is the NYTimes, so you can't just blow the article off.

Re:So fucking what? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727449)

just because it's the NYT doesn't make it informative,
reliable or anything else. isn't this the same place that
mocks correlation == causation?

Re:So fucking what? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727525)

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Re:So fucking what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727345)

Don't forget the trackball.

Re:So fucking what? (1)

alen (225700) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727367)

iPhone email is way ahead of blackberry now. Has been for a few years

Buggy BES servers are hated by IT

Re:So fucking what? (4, Insightful)

datapharmer (1099455) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727491)

amen. We finally got our last user off blackberry this month and shut down the BES the next day. Good riddance to a piece of bloated crapware!

Re:So fucking what? (5, Insightful)

Tridus (79566) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727483)

Other phones are *better* business tools, if you're in a business that has more to it then just email and IM. There's quite a lot of business that falls into that category.

We're looking at giving field staff phones when they do their ice jam monitoring during the winter/spring, because it lets them have maps of their routes, take photos of the jam, and submit it all from the field. We're not considering Blackberries for this task, because they're so far behind current phones that they're just not up to the task.

Have a business where you can use apps to look at client data, market data, or any other kind of data? BB is a bad phone for it.

Sorry folks, but "we do email best!" doesn't cut it anymore.

Re:So fucking what? (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727715)

so...

what does ice jam taste like?

(relax, i'm joking, but it would be interesting to know what kind of work this is: ice floes on the great lakes/ some river somewhere? what is this work place, army corp of engineers?)

Re:So fucking what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727673)

Or a Palm.

Re:So fucking what? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727301)

Indeed.

Of all the things a person can be mocked for.. their choice in smart phone.. really!

Either way, article missed the core reason. RIM created an identity as a "business" phone, which is inherently uncool. They were good at this. What they apparently didn't count on (and hindsight is always 20/20) was their business customers having "cool" phones for home use.. and seeing their blackberry as their "boring work phone". Only a matter of time before one says "why the hell can't I just use my iphone for work too" .. and here we are!

Re:So fucking what? (4, Insightful)

jbolden (176878) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727333)

Which incidentally is exactly why Microsoft is so worried about Android and iOS becoming the consumer standard for desktop / laptop. That is why their Win8 strategy makes sense, they don't want to be in RIM's position in 2022.

Re:So fucking what? (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727425)

Which incidentally is exactly why Microsoft is so worried about Android and iOS becoming the consumer standard for desktop / laptop. That is why their Win8 strategy makes sense, they don't want to be in RIM's position in 2022.

They should wish to be in RIM's position. Microsoft Phone OS is not looking healthy and from Q3 Nokia Financial Statements...the main supplier of Phones its all bad news, and they deserve it.

Re:So fucking what? (1)

Tridus (79566) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727489)

Microsoft's position happens to include a pretty strong desktop PC business, I'm pretty sure their position is better then RIM's right now.

Re:So fucking what? (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727599)

Microsoft's position happens to include a pretty strong desktop PC business, I'm pretty sure their position is better then RIM's right now.

You do know this Article is about about Phones...and Coolness. I think your post is more off-topic than I have ever seen one.

Re:So fucking what? (1)

jbolden (176878) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727633)

The post was an analogy, what's happening to RIM on phone is what could be happening in a decade to Microsoft on PC. As far as sales I think RIM is about 3:1 over Microsoft.

Re:So fucking what? (4, Insightful)

JDG1980 (2438906) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727739)

Which incidentally is exactly why Microsoft is so worried about Android and iOS becoming the consumer standard for desktop / laptop. That is why their Win8 strategy makes sense, they don't want to be in RIM's position in 2022.

Bad analogy. RIM didn't have the advantage of massive legacy lock-in. The reason people use Windows isn't that it is better than Linux or OSX in some platonic sense; it's because Windows runs everything they have, and the other desktop OSes don't. The fact that just about everyone in the business world is trained on Windows (and usually not on Linux or OSX) also helps.

Microsoft's position is a lot more secure than RIM's, and their Windows 8 strategy is actually a threat to that position because it alienates their core demographics.

Re:So fucking what? (3, Funny)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727363)

Stupid people like to tease me for liking Star Trek and the Misfits. Fuck them, it's what *I* like that matters to me. If you switch phones because your old one isn't cool enough, you're a dipshit and deserved the mockery you were getting in the first place.

Fitting in is important, although liking Star Trek which is pretty mainstream getting you teased is really surprising. I think perhaps you shouldn't cosplay all the time.

Re:So fucking what? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727591)

Agreed, he walks around dressed as Captian Kirk and wears a misfits skullcap. It would not be so bad but he refuses to talk normal and is constantly asking for scotty to beam him up...

It all depends which Star Trek (5, Funny)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727375)

Whether you deserve mockery depends on which Star Trek you like:

  1. Star Trek: The Original Series. My man!
  2. Star Trek: The Next Generation. My gay man!
  3. Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. My girl, very inclusive of them to make a Star Trek for the soap opera crowd.
  4. Star Trek: Voyager. Go away kid
  5. Enterprise DIE!
  6. Star Trek: The rape movie Your death will be a public holiday.

Same with old phones, the first people to use a real useful smartphone were the Nokia communicator users. Then for the people who found that to hard to use, the blackberry was invented.

Then the iPhone came along for those who didn't have any real use for them apart from playing flavor of the day games. How many slicing games does a platform need anyway?

But at least your not a windows phone user.

There is always a pecking order and always someone at the bottom. Windows phone users and Enterprise watchers are the equivalent of the dead half cannibalized chicken at your local factory farm. McNuggets.

Queue this post being modded down by a future McNugget.

Re:It all depends which Star Trek (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727421)

But at least your not a windows phone user.

you're

Queue this post being modded down by a future McNugget.

Cue

Re:It all depends which Star Trek (5, Funny)

Scutter (18425) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727427)

I am a HUGE Star Trek nerd, but I always got grossed out when that dude's dad cut his hand off at the end of the second movie.

Re:It all depends which Star Trek (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727503)

Fifth movie.

Re:It all depends which Star Trek (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727585)

damn time travel, why couldn't mcfly kill jarjar? I mean he was right there!

Re:It all depends which Star Trek (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727593)

No. It's the second... there are only three movies.

Re:It all depends which Star Trek (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727537)

Are you sure you're not thinking of Star Wars?

Re:So fucking what? (1)

Karellen (104380) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727401)

Maybe once the market share gets low enough, these asshats can just don some thick-rimmed glasses and claim to be hipsters using thier BBs ironically.

*eyeroll*

Re:So fucking what? (2)

DThorne (21879) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727405)

You really think it means nothing that a CEO of a major corporation(and countless other CEOs and business leaders) do something like this? I know, not to you personally, obviously, but this is how trends and perceptions are started and propagated. The story is about how screwed RIM is, and I think this is a valid thing for them to be worried about. Sure, RIM might possibly survive as a hardcore business technology if they get their act together and focus on that rather than poorly attempting to be 'cool', but just because you're disdainful of 'shallow' features like social media(which for many businesses is increasingly critical) and whipping out your phone and showing a client an awesome new game/learning tool/organization tool and impressing the hell out of them, and also loosening up the atmosphere to boot, doesn't mean others do too. It's less about shame and more about staying current.

Re:So fucking what? (2)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727565)

Star Trek? I get that. It's campy, but you can have fun with that.

The Misfits... pffft... What I want to know is, what planet are Nickleback fans from? Go to the Nickleback Facebook page and see which of your "friends" actually clicked on the Like button - it is very highly correlated with the douche-bags on your Friends list.

Re:So fucking what? (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727707)

Star Trek? I get that. It's campy, but you can have fun with that.

The Misfits... pffft... What I want to know is, what planet are Nickleback fans from? Go to the Nickleback Facebook page and see which of your "friends" actually clicked on the Like button - it is very highly correlated with the douche-bags on your Friends list.

The irony of your comment its the same elitist crap as is make out in the article...and you fell for it. Seriously in today's world Nickleback come across as talented musicians. Why would ANYONE hate them unless they were told to. I don't own or like their music, but I recognise that I am repeatedly told that I should dislike them. The sad fact is I see more people with posts like yours than "I saw this really great band you should check them out" and there is outside the charts an awful lot of talent.

Grow a pair (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727255)

honestly, if you "suffer from shame and public humiliation" because of your phone, you need to grow a spine

Re:Grow a pair (4, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727377)

honestly, if you "suffer from shame and public humiliation" because of your phone, you need to grow a spine

A phone is not just a phone...It hasn't been for a long time. Apple would be out of business if that was true. Phones are Jewellery and have been for a long time. The other side of the coin is why shouldn't I have a nice phone, that I'm proud of and can show off. I worked for it!

Re:Grow a pair (1)

Radres (776901) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727487)

...and you continue to work for it as the phone plan costs $100/mo.

Re:Grow a pair (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727619)

I'm not going to defend wasting that kind of money, because I have a $30/month plan. But do you really think an executive is sweating $100/month? That's like 1/7 of a BMW payment and 1/40 of a McMansion payment. You can hardly get a decent bottle of wine with dinner for that.

(the wine bit was sarcasm)

Re:Grow a pair (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727701)

You didn't work for it. -- Barack Obama.

Re:Grow a pair (1)

Tridus (79566) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727499)

Or maybe just get a phone that lets you do everything you want to do.

RIM phones are nowhere near as capable as the competition, and until fanboys get that through their heads the company is going nowhere.

Re:Grow a pair (1)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727737)

Grow a pair... spine

Well, yes. If you grow a pair of spines, you will look like a badass Dr Octopus and no one would dare mock you for your phone.

Ugh. (4, Funny)

MachineShedFred (621896) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727283)

The annoying alliteration in the headline makes me need to acquire an avalanche of aspirin.

Re:Ugh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727567)

Actually that's consonation. Alliteration is if all the words start with the same vowel.

RIM Fan here (5, Informative)

alphax45 (675119) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727285)

I use a Blackberry (Bold 9900) by choice. A few reasons:

- I love the keyboard!
- Unified inbox; everything is in one spot.
- Different modes; EG: when I go to bed I have a mode called "bedtime" that only alerts me if something important from someone important comes in.
- Contact based alerts. So during the day when I'm at work my phone will only "ring" if it's my mom (she has cancer, so lay off) or my wife (only calls if it's important, sends a text otherwise).
- Canadian company. Home country pride :)

Yes there is a lack of apps and yes, the Java based OS does sometimes show me the lovely hourglass but for me, it works.

As for other phones, I have looked but not willing to move at this time. I am very excited for BB10 and hope it will allow RIM to mount some kind of comeback.

I have never been randomly made fun of for my phone. Sure friends and co-workers will sometimes poke fun; but it's people I know.

Finally; it's just a phone people - there are bigger things in life to worry about.

Re:RIM Fan here (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727339)

I have all of those features on my iPhone except for the keyboard which I don't want anyway and it's not Canadian but GO AMERICA! BALD EAGLES! FREEEDOM!

Re:RIM Fan here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727453)

I have all of those features on my iPhone except for the keyboard which I don't want anyway and it's not Canadian but GO AMERICA! BALD EAGLES! FREEEDOM!

freedom on iphone? america? you mean china made?

Re:RIM Fan here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727431)

As rare as neckties... I hate neckties, I don't wear them, but that doesn't mean they're rare, or going away in certain parts of the business world.

Re:RIM Fan here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727455)

There are many other little things a BB does that make them far superior to iPhones and Androids. A few examples that made my life easier when I still had a BB:

- Opening and responding to Outlook meeting requests.
- Ability to set a default reminder time for all calendar events.
- Forwarding attachments without actually downloading them.
- Seemless synching with Outlook.

Let's be honest, most people look at their phones as toys so they don't even understand how useful the BB is at the little things that matter in a business environment. I too am looking forward to seeing what they come up with when the BB10 comes out.

Re:RIM Fan here (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727631)

My first-generation iPhone still works (mostly). If I want a reaction, I just swap the SIM into it and bust that thing out.

Re:RIM Fan here (1)

Xacid (560407) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727697)

I've got an Android, had the Nokia E71x, and also have a Blackberry Bold 9900. Hands down the 9900 is my favorite phone out of the bunch, the E71x being my second favorite - the major difference is that the E71x doesn't have a touch screen.

For me I don't need some pop culture device with a ton of apps. I primarily need a phone that works as a phone and secondary one that can receive email. The main app I use is Pandora which is on there. Also, "How to Tie a Tie" comes in handy when you're like me and tie them once and forget it.

Just because some scenesters think my phone sucks despite never using it doesn't affect me. It does what I need it to do. I don't need an icon.

WTF is this world coming to (5, Insightful)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727287)

WTF is this world coming to if someone can be "shamed and humiliated" because of what type of phone they have?

Re:WTF is this world coming to (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727347)

WTF is this world coming to if someone can be "shamed and humiliated" because of what type of phone they have?

The need to define a hierarchy based on shame and humiliation(and if that fails, good, wholesome, violence) appears to be older than humanity, if research on our adorable monkey colleagues is anything to go by). The precise means are historically contingent and practically irrelevant, so long as something is available.

Re:WTF is this world coming to (3, Informative)

jbolden (176878) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727353)

Yeah kids never made fun of other kids because of their clothes or bike.

Re:WTF is this world coming to (3, Insightful)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727511)

Yeah kids never made fun of other kids because of their clothes or bike.

If this were kids in the playground I'd agree. This is talking about representatives of major companies though!

Re:WTF is this world coming to (2)

OzPeter (195038) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727387)

WTF is this world coming to if someone can be "shamed and humiliated" because of what type of phone they have?

I got laughed at the other day because I still use a 5 year old Razr flip phone. But it works for me and as I am pretty well always in front of a computer I rarely need any smart phone apps. Plus my yearly phone bill is probably only 2 months worth of a hipsters' data plan.

Re:WTF is this world coming to (3, Interesting)

tgd (2822) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727523)

WTF is this world coming to if someone can be "shamed and humiliated" because of what type of phone they have?

People were shamed and humiliated by the sneakers they wore in the 80's.

Shame and humiliation over points of differentiation between people has been going on as long as there's been people.

Hell, most life does it. You wouldn't get natural selection if you didn't have one life form looking down on others for one thing or another. "Oh, your feathers aren't poofy enough, you must be a lousy father!"

First World Problems... (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727289)

Can we agree that anybody who experiences "public shame and humiliation" about their cell phone should be reassigned to some ghastly corner of nowhere where they can feel 'public shame and humiliation' over how many goats they own? And, of course, anybody inflicting public shame and humiliation over cellphones should be reassigned to be one of the goats in said ghastly corner of the world?

Re:First World Problems... (2)

erroneus (253617) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727417)

Reminds me of when the Motorola RAZR came out. It was a revolution in terms of size and general look and feel. It was a kind of slick that no one has ever seen before and I wanted one badly!

Well... I never got one... time went by, I had whatever it was I had at different times... my life is no better or worse for not having had that phone.

I've got Galaxy S2 now and have been eyeing the S3... but you know? I'm starting to rethink that too. Perhaps the Google Nexus would be better for me. With all this advertised processor power and stuff, I find myself wondering why I need it. My Angry birds games play just fine... they played fine on my Galaxy S too.

I guess I don't need the newest whatever.

But you know who should feel shame and humiliation? iPhone users. They have no idea what they are giving up and their iThing is just like everyone else's iThing. Hardly 'Thinking Different' when everyone is doing it.

Re:First World Problems... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727497)

Reminds me of when the Motorola RAZR came out. It was a revolution in terms of size and general look and feel. It was a kind of slick that no one has ever seen before and I wanted one badly!

Well... I never got one... time went by, I had whatever it was I had at different times... my life is no better or worse for not having had that phone.

Unless you had ended up with one of the later ones, your life is probably better for not owning it. The early ones had incredibly poor radio reception. And let's face it, that particular software stack was canned crap. I spent quite a bit of time hacking triplets and RAZRs up and it was a big waste of it.

Re:First World Problems... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727535)

But you know who should feel shame and humiliation? iPhone users. They have no idea what they are giving up and their iThing is just like everyone else's iThing. Hardly 'Thinking Different' when everyone is doing it.

Care to inform some of us what iPhone users are giving up before you drown in your own self righteous smug superiority.

'Think Different' hasn't been used in years by the way

Re:First World Problems... (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727477)

Can we agree that anybody who experiences "public shame and humiliation" about their cell phone should be reassigned to some ghastly corner of nowhere where they can feel 'public shame and humiliation' over how many goats they own? And, of course, anybody inflicting public shame and humiliation over cellphones should be reassigned to be one of the goats in said ghastly corner of the world?

Or we could say. Not every problem should not be compared to poor survival rates of infants in the third world, or the lack of clean water. In fact I'm a little tired of this tasteless pop comment appearing everywhere.

Re:First World Problems... (1)

tgd (2822) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727533)

Can we agree that anybody who experiences "public shame and humiliation" about their cell phone should be reassigned to some ghastly corner of nowhere where they can feel 'public shame and humiliation' over how many goats they own? And, of course, anybody inflicting public shame and humiliation over cellphones should be reassigned to be one of the goats in said ghastly corner of the world?

Cell phone penetration is as high, or higher, in the 3rd world as the first world -- because much of those countries never had hard line infrastructure.

And, clearly based on RIM's sales numbers, people in the 3rd world don't want them either.

Not that great... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727307)

"watch their counterparts mingle on social networking apps that are not available to them, take higher-resolution photos, and effortlessly navigate streets — and the Internet — with better GPS and faster browsing...." ... and with lower battery life and more fragility.

Really? (1)

carcomp (1887830) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727321)

A title with the word black in it 3 times, and also all the words except 1 start with B. On top of that, its an article about people embarrassed of a phone they own? Huh? Whats stopping them from getting a different phone? Who gets embarrassed by a phone? Also don't give me that plan crap. You can get out of plans. Whats stopping these embarrassed people from sticking the SIM card in an unlocked phone bought from someone who needs some quick cash on Craigslist. Wait, its a business phone and you have to use it? Correct me if i'm wrong, unless you are in marketing, you aren't going to get judged by other business people by your phone. I still use an old 3GS with a pay as you go plan and WIFI for internet because it just works.. Seriously people! Get creative. It just pisses me off how people do not do anything anymore for fear of breaking a rule that may or may not exist. Sorry. Feeling ranty this morning.

Re:Really? (1)

Ironhandx (1762146) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727369)

Actually, since marketing affects so many other departments, being seen with a blackberry is currently a way to become an instant pariah.

If I was hiring for example, your out-of-date and out-of-touch phone would be a hindrance to me hiring you and force you to answer more questions than the next guy.

Re:Really? (1)

sa666_666 (924613) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727545)

Not sure if you're being serious or not, but if so, no wonder the the current business world is so screwed up. It seems to be just a childish high-school popularity contest all over again. And IME, many business-people are the most childish, vindictive people I've ever met.

Re:Really? (1)

dmacleod808 (729707) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727607)

In what interview should I be playing with my phone, or have any reason for you to see my phone? I leave my phone in the car during an interview.

Re:Really? (1)

sumdumass (711423) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727627)

Its nice to see that the type of phone a person has reflects on their ability to do their jobs. I figured most jobs would be supplying phones if they mattered that much.

I have a hacked Driod phone. It is a model or two behind the current phones on the market but does more then most the current models. Whats that say about my job skills or employment prospects?

hmm.. I wonder if the type of car I drive would be a hindrance, what abut the color of my girlfriends hair?

What they need to be is a software provider (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727335)

The writing's on the wall for Blackberry's hardware. They need to take a hard look how they can make money from other platforms.

And what they have (and the one thing that's still keeping their hardware barely afloat) is their e-mail infrastructure. They store info on the device securely. They push it securely. There's a reason law firms still love them, and it's that they allow distributed e-mail to be secure on the device. They allow corporate IT to set policies on this. They do this really well.

They need to start bundling this technology up and selling it to corporations to use on other devices.

Will it kill their hardware? Probably - the fact that Blackberry has this better than anyone else is the one thing that's still propping up their hardware. But if they DON'T do it, they'll be too late to that market, and other people will have snapped up the real estate (for example, Good. http://www1.good.com/. No, I'm not affiliated) And at that point, all that will be left is to shut down the company and sell the IP to a patent troll.

How stupid (0, Flamebait)

saihung (19097) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727341)

What a content-free mess of an article that was. First, there's very little that iPhone or Android users can do that BB users can't do. What major functions are missing? "Social networking apps"? Like what? Which ones?

Second, if your main reason for wanting to switch phones is because people make fun of you, then it's highly likely that NONE of you actually know how to use your damned devices. My 6 year old Nokia can do most of the things that an iPhone can do.

Tired of Apple advertisments. (0)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727343)

Seriously Apples market share has dropped for a second quarter. Its not been the cool phone sing the Galaxy III...and never was for the youth however the media try and spin it. Ironically Blackberry had the youth market.

Seriously iPhone fever....hiding your blackberry behind your iPad. All these cool(sick) people not wanting a blackberry.

I'm so pleased the days of Apples dominance is gone.

it never ends (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727373)

...Proving once again that the nerds who got beaten up in high school are no better than the jocks who beat them up.

Mockery and derision? Shame and public humiliation? Grow up.

Why iPhone for business? (1)

foniksonik (573572) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727385)

Exchange support is fantastic.

Meeting alerts rock, calendar is big and easy to manage.

Multiple email account support, unified or separate.

Video conference and Skype support. Webex support.

Games. Sometimes you just need a few minutes of downtime.

If you *need* to take notes, bring a laptop or a pen and paper. Any phone keyboard is deficient

Re:Why iPhone for business? (1)

volxdragon (1297215) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727485)

<quote><p>Multiple email account support, unified or separate.</p></quote>

This is half-assed IMHO. I've used an iPhone for several years now and still one of my biggest pet peeves is the single signature block that is global to all email accounts (this is a PITA if your work requires some standard boilerplate garbage that must be on every email but you really don't want that crap on your personal emails as well). They finally did do one thing right and break up / allow assignment of the outgoing SMTP servers on a per account basis (tied to accounts) so you don't route your personal email via work, but even that took a while. If they would just make ALL of the settings PER ACCOUNT instead of having some global, then life would be much better...

Re:Why iPhone for business? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727617)

Just FYI, iOS 6 supports per-account email signatures. Go to Settings > Mail, Contacts, Calendars > Signature and change the setting from All Accounts to Per Account.

Re:Why iPhone for business? (2)

6332J1N (207934) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727635)

iPhone has per-account sigs.

Re:Why iPhone for business? (1)

volxdragon (1297215) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727713)

Um, where??!? The only 'Signature' option I see on mine is at the top level Accounts screen (between the Increase Quote Level and Default Account options), there are no Signature options in the per-account area...

Re:Why iPhone for business? (1)

volxdragon (1297215) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727727)

Nevermind, I see they expanded under that option....that didn't use to be there, when did it show up?

Sounds familiar (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727433)

Nicole Perlroth writes that the BlackBerry, once proudly carried by the high-powered and the elite, has become a magnet for mockery and derision from those with iPhones and the latest Android phones.

Using an Apple Mac or Leenooks would make you a magnet of mockery and derision back in the mid 1990s.

How long until Apple, Samsung and Google become uncool?

How did this make it on my morning news read (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727443)

.... seriously slashdot, terrible article

Of the three (3, Interesting)

Bigbutt (65939) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727463)

I used a Blackberry since I got to my place of work 5 years ago. A few months ago it was traded in for an Android RAZR. On the personal front, I bought an iPhone 3GS 2 or 3 years ago.

For consistent reliable access to company e-mail and alerts from the monitoring system, the Blackberry wins hands down no question. On the Android, we've had alerts not show up for hours and at other times, the alerts repeat every few minutes. The Blackberry is inherently part of the system for getting e-mail. On the Android I have to use a third party app ("Good"). If the app bails, I don't get any further e-mail until I log back in to the app. The Blackberry would last 5 days without having to charge it. I have to plug in the Android phone every single morning. And the battery's anywhere from 5% to 90% charged when I plug it in. At 5% it takes 4 hours or so to charge back up to "Charged".

The thing I dislike about both the iPhone and the Android are the virtual keyboards. Nothing is more frustrating for me than having to look at the damned keyboard while I type and still I get garbage in the message. Even worse, on the iPhone the autocompletion can be so frustrating that I have to put the phone away or I'll throw it as far as I can. I've bounced it off the carpet more than once over the past year. The Blackberry had an actual keyboard and I seldom made the mistakes I make on the Android/iPhone devices.

Back after I got the Blackberry, I was thinking about getting one for personal use. I kept putting it off because I had such a hard time surfing the 'net. Having to spin the little ball and press on it to click was annoying, not always staying where I pointed when I clicked so I'd click on some different link. And that's assuming I could even get to the site. It's the primary reason I went with the iPhone. The web surfing worked so much better than the Blackberry. And I was able to get all my e-mail in one place.

But you know, on the Blackberry, work e-mail and SMS alerts worked with very few issues. If I had my choice right now, I'd go back to my old Blackberry.

[John]

Headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727465)

I'm not even going to waste time to read the summary of this article because this smartphone bullshit is ridiculous... but can we take a moment to appreciate how perfect the headline is? It reads like a kid's picture book.

You Are Your Phone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727473)

So, it seems that the article is suggesting that you are your phone. That if you don't have a hip electronic leash you and your business are headed for ruin? Give me a break! It's a phone. Grow up.

I guess I fit squarely into the article's pathetic stereotype. Though I lack a Blackberry, I occasionally wear ties and think they are quite becoming, I don't participate in social networking apps (on my desktop or Android), I rarely rely on a phone for pictures preferring a higher resolution camera with a real lens, I have no issue navigating around the globe without ever using my Android for that purpose, and frankly I find using the internet from a phone to be rather cumbersome if not taxing so I don't do it all that much either. Yet, despite all of my woeful phone inadequacies, my business is booming, my finances are stellar and women throw themselves at me.

Herd Mentality: baa, baa, baa (2)

water-and-sewer (612923) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727495)

I'm really not impressed with the sudden emphasis on gadget trendiness and 'cool' factor, implying Blackberries are less cool and thus to be shunned like clamydia or herpes sores.

You know when I stopped carrying my Palm Tungsten? Last week. That's right, about 7 days ago. Old? Yes. Perfectly functional, useful, and integrated into my daily system for staying organized? Absolutely. I upgraded to a "hot/awesome/trendy/fantastic" Google Nexus 7 tablet, and though it does some things better it does some other things worse.

So I'm not overly concerned about how tech pundits feel about Blackberry today. I use a BB for work and admit I wish it had better apps. But I love that keyboard (I have trouble with the Nexus 7 touchscreen keyboard even when I use a stylus and truly fail to see the attraction of a screen with greasy fingerprints all over it), and nothing tops it for email.

Pundits suck. I think the Android phones are fun and useful and do all sort of neat things that BBs don't. But that doesn't mean BB should just piss off and die. And I don't appreciate the attempt in convincing consumers that's the case.

Trolls (1)

Barryke (772876) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727501)

This whole post should tagged "Irrelevant socalled news" and moderated to "-5 Trolls feast here".

Re:Trolls (1)

DarenN (411219) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727683)

Slashdot would be a better place with that moderation. You made me laugh, thank you.

Effortlessly Navigating Streets with iOS 6... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727505)

Ok, who in the WORLD wrote that? :P

What a stupid article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727519)

Seriously, Slashdot. What the fuck is the matter with you?

First of all, it's bullshit. Blackberry wins hands down for reliable email delivery and error-free email entry. As far as accomplishing the business mission, there is still nothing better than a Blackberry.

Second, this article reads like it was written by just another hipster douchebag in skinny jeans riding a fixie and carrying a bike messenger bag. Yes, smartphones that run Android or iOS are hip, cool, and in. No, they are not the best tool for business.

Tell me. Why is it better for business that someone be able to waste company time checking Facebook and surfing the web? That's not the point of having a company-issued device. The point of a company-issued device is to DO WORK FOR THE FUCKING COMPANY, not sit around wasting your employer's time and money.

Re:What a stupid article (3, Insightful)

ledow (319597) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727675)

1) Except for that time that the entire European Blackberry base couldn't send or receive email for several days because it was all routed through one datacenter (even if you used a local Exchange connector, I believe) and there was a "data incident" that took WEEKS for them to catch up properly with normal email delivery for an entire continent? (Nothing to do with connectivity or the hardware itself, just the stupid idea of routing ALL email through a central server!)

Because that's what killed my employer's use of Blackberry from that day onwards.

2) The best tool for business is generally the best tool full stop. I'm not aware of many areas of technology where consumer/business versions aren't pretty much identical unless you're doing something quite serious - and that's a different matter. The majority of "business" is NOT huge corporations with thousands of employees.

Mobile phones, for example, were always consumer items until BB turned up. They got used in business. They were so popular that people offered business packages. And now BB is dying because all consumer phones can do what the BB can do.

Because that's what my employer did when the contract for the BB phones came up for renewal - they evaluated it, ditched it, went consumer, and never had any problems or missing features. They actually saved money at no loss.

3) You think your employees aren't surfing anyway? Sure you can chain them to the desk and enforce a "no-mobiles" rule, and block everything online, but you won't make a happier or more productive staff by doing so.

Whereas if you just open it up but say "on your head be it, and don't let it interfere with work", there's no expensive and resource-intensive management required, your staff will be happy that they can check that little Jimmy got to the doctors okay with his grazed knee without worrying, they'll be able to do what they want in lunch-hour anyway and you can STILL sack them if they don't do the work you require in a reasonable timeframe (which is the ONLY metric worth bothering with).

Though I agree that work is a place for work, I'd die in a place that wouldn't let me show others a picture of my kid from Facebook while I'm chatting at lunchtime, or log in to check my delivery status on my Christmas order just before the end of the day to see if I can drive straight home or need to drive 20 miles out of my way to pick up a parcel before leaving or, hell, just do things like add things to my personal calendar or sort out family "emergencies" (like Jimmy's left his school shoes at home but only I know where they are).

Sure, I can do that some other time. And I do. But I also do "work" stuff on my own time too and getting strict about that border actually works AGAINST my employers. Vastly.

The company that treats its employees like the enemy is like the customer services department that treats its callers like the enemy. Costing you more to do less and making everyone miserable in the process.

Get off my lawn! (3, Funny)

hazydave (96747) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727527)

The Blackberry is a great moving telephone, I don' t know what they're talking about. I can reads all my emails too, which is a bonus on a phone these days -- can't do that on the office or home phone. Very rugged, too, I dropped mine while adjusting the rabbit ears on my 24" big screen TV (still can't pull in a signal worth a damn anymore), and it didn't break. I hear you can even surfs the internets with the Blackberry, though I'm not sure just what people see in all that.

Who arbitrates what is 'cool'? (1)

benjfowler (239527) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727547)

So white kids and businessmen don't consider BlackBerry to be "cool".

You should see the shittier parts of London, where all the black gangsta types carry Blackberries. Not because of encrypted free BBM, but because it's "bidness, innit".

Don't think for a minute that you are the final arbiter of what is 'cool' out there, because as we should all know, one man's meat is another man's poison.

The Security, until they dumbed it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727549)

Remember all those governments that said their dip's had to have bb's up to the 10's. When the saudi's said they had to have the keys to the bb, Thats why you smart ones shoud have an older bb. Nicely encripted mail to whoever you want.

I have a dream today. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41727589)

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the phone they carry but by the content of their character.
I have a dream today.

What I don't need or use in a phone (0)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | about a year and a half ago | (#41727679)

1) Social networking
2) High res photos ( I bought this new device called a camera!!!!!!!! )
3) GPS ( I own a GPS :-O )
4) High speed browsing ( I can use a computer )
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