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iPad Mini Could Retail For $250, Delete iPad 2

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the layers-of-hypotheticals dept.

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Nerval's Lobster writes "If the Apple rumor mill proves correct, the unveiling of the iPad Mini this week could mean sayonara for the iPad 2. At least, that's the prediction of Evercore Partners analyst Rob Cihra, who wrote in a recent note to investors that he believes Apple will remove the iPad 2 from its lineup to make room for a smaller tablet. Apple insider excerpted parts of Cihra's note Oct. 19. Of course, that's just one analyst speculating about the future plans of a company known for playing things close to the proverbial vest: Apple's Oct. 23 event in California could feature all sorts of surprises. So what do we know about the iPad Mini? First, that it might not be called the iPad Mini — that's a moniker dreamed up by the press. Second, a cheaper and smaller iPad could impact the market for e-readers and 'price-sensitive users,' according to J.P. Morgan analyst Mark Moskowitz, which in turn could mean a challenging future for Amazon, Google, and other IT vendors marketing cheaper tablets. Third, the media—driven by unnamed sources and blurry spy photos—seems to have collectively settled on a 7.85-inch screen without a high-resolution Retina Display."

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Bon Voyage (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41728785)

I don't get all the hype with the iPad. I really don't.

It's been a cyclic fad. (4, Insightful)

Medievalist (16032) | about 2 years ago | (#41728833)

Tablet fads have come and gone... the iPad has actually done really well this time around, but I remember how the 486 tablets (that did all the same stuff at much lower resolution) were going to make PCs obsolete... sure they did.

Due to e-readers, I think this time around tablets might actually settle into a durable niche of their own. But a lot of people (such as myself) will never really have a use for one.

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 2 years ago | (#41728843)

You would think it only takes 1 week for people en masse to determine you can't type remotely quickly on a tablet but indeed, it does seem to take 2-3 years. We do seem to be on the tail end of it though. I was more than happy to see netbooks go and these can follow right along.

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (2)

kiriath (2670145) | about 2 years ago | (#41728921)

Uhh, *you* may not be able to type on a tablet quickly, but I can bust out some verbage with decent speed. Certainly well enough that I don't feel the need to go hunting for a 'physical' keyboard.

I doubt seriously this is a 'cyclic fad', they may not replace Desktop computers in whole, but there is a market and its not going away anytime soon.

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (4, Informative)

blind biker (1066130) | about 2 years ago | (#41730273)

Uhh, *you* may not be able to type on a tablet quickly, but I can bust out some verbage with decent speed. Certainly well enough that I don't feel the need to go hunting for a 'physical' keyboard.

For a very arbitrary definition of "decent". The fact remains that you will never be able to match the typing speed achieved on a keyboard, even with limited travel, when typing on a tablet's screen.

Not to mention that, when typing on a screen, you must keep your eyes on that "keyboard" like a fucking moron. I haven't looked at my keyboard in decades, because I clearly feel where the keys are.

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (2)

kiriath (2670145) | about 2 years ago | (#41730521)

As with anything if you do it enough you'll get a 'feel' for where everything is. I don't look at the keyboard intently when typing, though it is difficult not to see it at all because oddly enough it is right there on the screen.

The fact remains that, moderate typing speed discrepancy aside, they are not a fad and they're not going away anytime soon. The fact that PC speeds haven't dramatically increased in the past couple of years leads me to believe that companies will want to pour more R&D into areas where the market is moving, with very fast PC's readily available and relatively inexpensive (not to mention longer lasting now) people are spending their gadget dollars on other things, like tablets. That all being said this 'go-round' with tablets seems to me to be much more successful than previous iterations of the 'tablet'.

It may have been a fad in the past, but these days the tablet is making headway and I seriously doubt the PC community will pull together anything that could compete with the tablet.

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41728953)

Sorry, you're wrong. Old tablets sucked, hard. Current tablets (of both kinds) do 95% of what everyone wants to do everywhere but work, and they do it well.

Netbooks fell out of favor because a better device came along that did what they do, far better. No such option exists to replace tablets. They're not going anywhere, any time soon.

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (2)

GospelHead821 (466923) | about 2 years ago | (#41729667)

I'm just curious regarding your opinion of netbooks. You say that a better device came along. What device would that be? I'm very happy with my netbook less as a portable media machine and more as an ultralight writing desk. It is a handy platform for keeping all of my writing in one place: essays, speeches for my Toastmasters club, short stories, and my unfinished NaNoWriMo attempts.

I suspect that the better device[s] to which you're referring are the tablets that followed the netbooks. They're superiour media platforms but for light, mobile productivity, they aren't even really trying. I don't think that all the hype that netbooks generated was merited but I think that there will remain a modest market for devices that are legitimate laptops but low-power, light-weight, and inexpensive.

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (1)

Lucky75 (1265142) | about 2 years ago | (#41730183)

I think he's referring to Ultrabooks, which are just as light, but vastly more powerful.

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (4, Insightful)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about 2 years ago | (#41730235)

Your lack of cynicism is refreshing. Repeat after me: "we geeks are (almost) alone in our desire to have productive potrable devices, and everyone else just consumes, perhaps with the occasional e-mail or trip to Facebook."

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (0)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about 2 years ago | (#41730257)

Oh, and while you're at it, repeat this too: "as I am already posting on Slashdot, it is absolutely certain that my personal anecdotes in no way reflect the behaviour or opinions of the majority."

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41728969)

how is typing on a tablet different from typing on a laptop keyboard with "chicklet keys"? it's seems like you're stuck in the 80s when keyboards had these gigantic inch high keys that clicked and clacked when you pressed them...sorry dad but those days are gone.

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41729067)

probably no different if you hunt-and-peck as opposed to typing 80+ words a minute.

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41729153)

80+ words per minute, lol, what are you a fucking secretary? no one cares, fag.

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (2)

robthebloke (1308483) | about 2 years ago | (#41729253)

Hush now whipper snapper! I use a netbook on my commute. Having clicky keys is very handy when you've actually learnt how to touch type. Touch screen keyboards simply do not offer any feedback whatsoever - it is simply impossible to feel your way across the keyboard at night (and since it's dark now when I leave the office, this is actually very important!). I can encrypt the hard drive (useful for the many gigs of company source code & data on it). I can easily log into the renderfarm at work via SSH/VPN. I can run the same dev environment as I use at work (CentOS & usual g++ toolset). I can use a "proper" text editor (you know, one you can set up macros, custom syntax highlighting, auto-correct, etc). In short, I can do everything on it that I ever need to do on a computer. (Oh, and it has 4Gb ram, a 750Gb hard drive, and an Nvidia ION GPU for full OpenGL 3.3 support). I have a smartphone if I need tablet functionality (which actually I don't. I need it as a phone!).

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (5, Insightful)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#41729013)

True you can't type as fast on a tablet, so if that's all you wanted to do on a tablet they would indeed be useless. But drawing and writing on a tablet is certainly much more comfortable than on a desktop or a laptop. Tablets can also be used more conveniently on planes, the subway, while standing, or any number of places using a laptop or desktop is awkward. They can be passed around a room easily or turned around shown to a group. There are many use-cases for this form factor advantage. Touch interfaces are also more natural for many people. My 90 year old grandmother who's never used a computer in her life can use an iPad, because the interface and gestures are 1:1 with her movements, unlike a mouse (ever try explaining the difference between left-click, double click, and right click, and when to use each to someone completely new to computers?)

For the foregoing reasons, I don't see tablets as a fad anymore. They died before for technological reasons such as insufficient computational power, insufficient battery, terrible low resolution restive touch screens, and insane prices. This time around all the sweet spots seem to be met. For a long time tablets have been about consuming media, but I think as the touch interfaces mature we'll see the use cases expand. Just because they don't fit into your life doesn't mean they don't fit into anyone else's.

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41729721)

ever try explaining the difference between left-click, double click, and right click, and when to use each to someone completely new to computers?

Oh, yes, God, yes. DOZENS of times. And I keep telling my mom, but she... does... not... get it, bless her heart. :)

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41729019)

Small lightweight laptops (14") were to a significant extent replaced by netbooks (14" + underpowered), and netbooks were replaced for the most part by small lightweight laptops. Maybe one is a subset of the other and nothing was actually replaced, just relabeled. (BTW, I am looking for a cheap tiny laptop, and found a lot of used thinkpad X series laptops on ebay.)

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (2)

monkeyhybrid (1677192) | about 2 years ago | (#41729057)

Most of the people I know who have a tablet, use it primarily for media consumption and typing speed is not really of much importance. Having said that, I can tap out emails and the like at a reasonable rate - I'd estimate something like 50ish words per minute. That's using the replacement Android keyboard, Hackers Keyboard, which I thoroughly recommend for most power users (gives you a normal qwerty layout with shift, ctrl, etc., buttons where you'd expect them to be).

If you think we're on the tail end of any fad though, you're very mistaken. Touch screen devices are the future of computing for most people's needs. PCs will be for power users, developers, office use, hardcore gaming, etc, but for what 95% of consumers do, a tablet is a perfect fit.

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (1)

mcwop (31034) | about 2 years ago | (#41730287)

Ad to that, the fact that speech recognition is built in and works reasonably well - getting better by the day.

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (0)

Cinder6 (894572) | about 2 years ago | (#41729281)

Can't type remotely quickly? According to speed tests, I can hit 70 wpm sustained--it only drops when I start having to use punctuation other than periods and commas. This is annoying, but I'm still able to type faster than most people can on a normal keyboard. (Granted, it's still significantly slower than my normal average.)

Of course, iPads aren't being used for serious work--at least, not for long periods. It's being used for web browsing, video watching, reading, etc.--all things that it does well.

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41729641)

but i still wonder exactly what "serious work" requires typing out an endless stream of text? transcribing your bosses ramblings for him? personally i consider that kind of crap to be "shit work" not "serious work"...

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41728923)

Due to e-readers, I think this time around tablets might actually settle into a durable niche of their own. But a lot of people (such as myself) will never really have a use for one. ...and a lot of people have a use for one. Both my 65+ parents for example use their iPads for several hours per day, to view photos of their grandchildren, play wordfeud and browse blogs and watch netflix. They do things with their iPads they never do with their laptop - such as purchasing and installing new applications. The form factor and convenience of the iPad really is great for them. Speed typing isn't really what they need.

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (4, Informative)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | about 2 years ago | (#41729093)

Tablet fads have come and gone... the iPad has actually done really well this time around, but I remember how the 486 tablets (that did all the same stuff at much lower resolution) were going to make PCs obsolete... sure they did.

It's not for people like you and me. It's for people like my wife. She enjoys sitting in her chair and knitting while watching TV. Now she doesn't need to bump me off of the main computer in order to look up a pattern, she can pull it up while sitting in her chair, and she doesn't have to print it either. She also uses it for a camera. This weekend, an owl landed on the neighbor's porch, she was able to snap a photo and e-mail it, all without having to touch the computer. Perfect for her, and works well for me too.

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (2)

ToadProphet (1148333) | about 2 years ago | (#41729135)

That's likely because you use a computer to create some sort of content outside of work. I'd say the majority of people no longer fall under this category - most are almost purely content consumers, with the occasional email or facebook update. For them, the tablet is perfect - easy to use and carry around.

The 486 tablets came at a time when most folks using a computer outside of work were creating content, gaming, etc. The market simply wasn't there.

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (1)

jeffmeden (135043) | about 2 years ago | (#41729533)

Tablet fads have come and gone... the iPad has actually done really well this time around, but I remember how the 486 tablets (that did all the same stuff at much lower resolution) were going to make PCs obsolete... sure they did.

Due to e-readers, I think this time around tablets might actually settle into a durable niche of their own. But a lot of people (such as myself) will never really have a use for one.

Capacitive (and multi-touch) screens completely change the way that tablets are used. No tablet in the past is worth comparing to something that you can comfortably (as long as you know where your fingers are) type a document up *with the screen*. This was really the turning point for tablets, before that they were a cool thing you could maybe use as an E-reader (but battery life tended to be pathetic) or a VERY clumsy virtual clipboard/sketchpad.

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (1)

0123456 (636235) | about 2 years ago | (#41729733)

No tablet in the past is worth comparing to something that you can comfortably (as long as you know where your fingers are) type a document up *with the screen*.

Nor is any current tablet, unless your definition includes typing five words a minute with one hand while holding it in the other. Even typing a URL is painful on my Android tablet and from my experience with iPods I can't imagine the iPad is much better.

Re:It's been a cyclic fad. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41729965)

The iPad is really natural if you use Apple's laptop keyboards. The key spacing is exactly the same, so you can use muscle memory providing you're not typing numbers or non-comma-period punctuation.

Re:Bon Voyage (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41728851)

Yeah, but it could sell for $250 or..... it could not!

It's a rumour. It's not news.

What do we know about an iPad mini? Nothing until it has been announced.

Re:Bon Voyage (1)

emagery (914122) | about 2 years ago | (#41729583)

I'm holding out, myself, for the all-in-one tablet... powerful enough to manage as an IT/developer's tool (I figure they're close enough already, but to the point that I won't be crippled without a laptop nearby) and includes FULL telephony... I realize one isn't about to hold a tablet up to their ear, but with bluetooth one could have one of those in-ear things just as they do now with an iphone... I'm simply not willing to buy multiple devices that have so much overlap but one damn feature or two that is unique when there's really no good reason for it.

Re:Bon Voyage (1)

Tridus (79566) | about 2 years ago | (#41730201)

Maybe you just don't have a use for one. A lot of people don't. Nothing wrong with that.

For me, it's a laptop replacement. Since I have a desktop and don't have a laptop, I just got an iPad instead. All I wanted was something I could read on that's portable, and it does a great job at that. Plays games, has my music (and an occasional movie), does browsing and email really well, has my ebooks, etc.

Battery life lasts far longer then a laptop does and it's more portable. Since I don't do real "work" with it, the limitations don't matter and its better then a laptop at everything I'd use it for. Doesn't even come close to replacing my desktop, but it augments it perfectly.

hell yeah niggy! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41728797)

ordering one tomorrow and a maxed out mac mini too! u jelly PC fags?

Re:hell yeah niggy! (0)

Baloroth (2370816) | about 2 years ago | (#41729063)

ordering one tomorrow and a maxed out mac mini too! u jelly PC fags?

Little bit, I guess. I do wish I had that much money to overspend with.

Re:hell yeah niggy! (0)

Reverand Dave (1959652) | about 2 years ago | (#41729555)

Apple: When you have more money than sense.

Re:hell yeah niggy! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41729867)

Responding to troll posts: when you have nothing new or interesting to say.

iPod cost (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41728819)

Doesn't that cost less than an iPod?

Re:iPod cost (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about 2 years ago | (#41728839)

An ipod touch, yes...http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipod/family/ipod_touch

Re:iPod cost (1)

Kenja (541830) | about 2 years ago | (#41728901)

It does, the difference is that an iPod Touch exists while an iPad Mini is just a theory at this point and any speculation as to its price is just that.

Re:iPod cost (1)

jspayne (98716) | about 2 years ago | (#41728993)

Yes, but the cheapest iPod Touch is a 32Gb model, while the cheapest iPads are 16Gb.

Macrumors shows $329 as the base price. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41728837)

$250 would be nice but it's probably $329.

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/10/20/ipad-mini-pricing-to-begin-at-approximately-329/

Re:Macrumors shows $329 as the base price. (4, Informative)

MCSEBear (907831) | about 2 years ago | (#41729467)

AC parent is correct.

One of the blogs with an inside source and a proven track record for nailing what is to come in recent Apple announcements, 9 to 5 Mac, has also come out and said the starting price will be $329.

Read for yourself. [9to5mac.com]

Sadly, a $250 price point seems to be wishful thinking. Apple isn't going to pull a Google and sell things anywhere near break even.

Re:Macrumors shows $329 as the base price. (1)

Dzimas (547818) | about 2 years ago | (#41729963)

From the source of that post [9to5mac.com]: "We created the likely pricing matrix for the smaller iPad shown above."

In other words, it's just a wild guess by a blogger to attract page views for his site. Everyone keeps repeating it as if it's an official document.

A quick glance at Apple's pricing shows that they strongly prefer prices that end in 49 or 99 for the iPod and iPad lines (the cellular equipped iPad is an exception). I'd expect to see an 8GB iPad Mini at $249 or $299, but it won't be a big seller. In fact, Apple may severely constrain supply to push buyers to a more profitable price point, while the media loudly touts "A breakthrough $249 iPad" that is almost impossible to get. Most buyers will opt to spend another $100 for an extra $10 worth of flash memory, especially if it's available for immediate purchase.

The name? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41728845)

May I suggest the iPad slim? Rebrand the full size device the iPad Maxi and market it for those nights with particularly heavy browsing flow.

so... (0)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 2 years ago | (#41728855)

So after all the "bigger screen, MOAR PIXELZ!!!!1!!!" ad campaign for the new iPhone, they made this one lower res and smaller and rebooted old technology. I didn't know Apple customers' top 3 wanted features were decrementing the version number, less pixels, and a smaller viewing area.

Re:so... (2)

Applekid (993327) | about 2 years ago | (#41728991)

So after all the "bigger screen, MOAR PIXELZ!!!!1!!!" ad campaign for the new iPhone, they made this one lower res and smaller and rebooted old technology. I didn't know Apple customers' top 3 wanted features were decrementing the version number, less pixels, and a smaller viewing area.

It's clearly a stopgap measure. Apple needs to get a "Goldilocks" product to keep someone else from owning that size profile and eroding their market share in smaller and larger formats.

The best engineering will be in both the iPad and the iPhone: best battery life, best display, etc. This mid-size is a compromise of the two, and won't really excel at anything in particular. If it ever does, it will be because of functionality that will be held back from being released on other sizes. Maybe external storage? Maybe two cameras for 3D? Maybe some software tweak that won't be made available? It's obviously only conjecture: it really doesn't make too much sense to me.

Apple is clearly run by a bean counter these days, so, minus the big-picture drawn by Jobs, they're just paying attention to their competitors. Too much attention, methinks.

Re:so... (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about 2 years ago | (#41730029)

Too much attention, methinks.

Exactly. When your competition is making zero or even negative profits on each unit, just stay away from the whole damn thing unless you think you can command a big premium. Or unless you want in on their business model, which I think Apple would do poorly in.

Re:so... (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 2 years ago | (#41730189)

Since when did Apple care about the low-profit end of the market? They don't do any cheap products, they are a premium only brand. And before you say it even the products that are relatively cheap, like the smaller iPods, are not cheap in their class.

If Apple do release an iPad Mini at this price point it would be a major change of direction for them.

Re:so... (0)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 2 years ago | (#41730443)

+insightful

Re:so... (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | about 2 years ago | (#41729069)

Apple, and many iPad owners, have for years not really understood why people buy smaller tablets, with Steve Jobs openly mocking them and commiting to never producing one.

It's not exactly surprising that the specs of a tablet Apple doesn't want to make, intended for a market it just doesn't understand the existence of, might be underwhelming.

I don't want a mini (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41728861)

I want a large one [pocket-lint.com] , right up my ass [goatse.bz] .

This post sponsored by Amazon for Ubuntu.

What about iPod touch (4, Interesting)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#41728863)

It seems strange to pay less for a 7" iPad mini than a 3" iPod touch.

Re:What about iPod touch (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41728981)

miniaturisation always adds to cost, it's a bell curve regarding price and size

Re:What about iPod touch (0)

OzPeter (195038) | about 2 years ago | (#41729083)

It seems strange to pay less for a 7" iPad mini than a 3" iPod touch.

You seem to have a time machine handy. So could you tell me next weeks lotto numbers?

Re:What about iPod touch (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#41729249)

I made no comment on what the price will be. My comment was conjecture, that if the price is less than the iPod touch, I would be less inclined to buy an iPod touch because I would feel as if I am overpaying. Many people have an innate (usually irrational when it comes to technology) intuition that bigger == better. Line the three devices up side by side and most people will price the iPod touch as the least expensive, the iPad mini as the middle, and the iPad as the most expensive. When you tell them "No, the iPod is the middle and the iPad mini is the least expensive" it seems counterintuitive. The reaction is then either "Am I getting ripped off for the iPod touch?" or "What's wrong with the iPad mini that makes it so cheap?"

Re:What about iPod touch (0)

OzPeter (195038) | about 2 years ago | (#41729375)

I made no comment on what the price will be. My comment was conjecture...

Conjecture would not involve a statement that is a definite comparison.

Re:What about iPod touch (1)

Triv (181010) | about 2 years ago | (#41729189)

It seems strange to pay less for a 7" iPad mini than a 3" iPod touch.

a 4th gen iPod is $199; 5th gen is $299. Slotting a tablet between those two makes sense, especially considering that they serve different purposes and speak to different consumers.

Re:What about iPod touch (2)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 2 years ago | (#41730473)

Slotting an ipad between them immediatly exposes the GROSS overcharging for the 5th gen ipod touch.

Re:What about iPod touch (1)

grumpyman (849537) | about 2 years ago | (#41729235)

Very good observation - what's the impact on Touch with introduction of a smaller iPad? My guess is, if there's a mini iPad, it has to be $299 or so... at a premium of other similar Android (that's how apple makes $).

Re:What about iPod touch (1)

MCSEBear (907831) | about 2 years ago | (#41729515)

The iPod Touch starts at $199 and the iPad Mini is expected to start at $329. [9to5mac.com]

Since this website has an excellent track record for nailing Apple's upcoming announcements, their pricing is likely much more accurate.

Re:What about iPod touch (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 2 years ago | (#41729957)

Perhaps the tablet market is more lucrative for apple, and they want to try to stop losing the market to android. Maybe they figure that the ipod is competing with the iphone, that if they price the ipod higher, more people will opt for an iphone instead of an ipod and a cheap phone?

I've always suspected that if companies stoped playing such stupid games, and just made pricing rational, they'd probably do just as well if not better in the long run, than annoying people with shenanigans like this.

Re:What about iPod touch (1)

csumpi (2258986) | about 2 years ago | (#41730013)

+1. I have no idea who has $299 for an mp3 player. Maybe Apple is trying to kill off the iPod Touch line.

Nexi (5, Interesting)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about 2 years ago | (#41728889)

It looks like Google will be adding some models next week - Nexus 10, with an extremely high resolution screen for less than $300. And a Nexus 7 32G with the price of the original Nexus 7 dropping to about $160.

Some new Nexus phones too.

I have a Nexus Galaxy phone that I bought from Google and use on a prepaid plan. It's a nice unlocked choice without the junk the phone company loads on your phone, and the prepaid aspect gives me a lot of flexibility.

Re:Nexi (0)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about 2 years ago | (#41728955)

Other than possibly advertising your love for Google, was there a point to your comment?

Are you saying Google makes a habit of copying other products?

Are you saying competition is good?

both?

Anyway yes we all know Google exists, this is a story speculating on what Apple will announce tomorrow.

Re:Nexi (2)

squiggleslash (241428) | about 2 years ago | (#41729039)

I suppose this text didn't appear in the summary then:

Second, a cheaper and smaller iPad could impact the market for e-readers and 'price-sensitive users,' according to J.P. Morgan analyst Mark Moskowitz, which in turn could mean a challenging future for Amazon, Google, and other IT vendors marketing cheaper tablets.

I think we can safely suggest that the GP was on-topic given his comments clearly related to TFS.

Re:Nexi (1)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about 2 years ago | (#41730397)

I didn't say he was off topic. I was wondering where he was going with his statements, other than "don't forget about Google" which inevitably appears in the comments of any article mentioning Apple. Just like we have "don't forget about Apple" posts in anything related to Android.

Re:Nexi (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41729061)

Other than blatantly advertising Slashdot's fetishistic love for Apple, was there a point to putting this article on the home page?

Are they saying Apple makes a habit of copying other products?

Are they saying competition is good?

both?

Anyway yes we all know Apple exists, that was a comment speculating on what Google will announce next week.

Re:Nexi (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41729943)

Oh god, this is hysterical. You see what he did?!! This is soooo clear. See, he copied the pro Apple post and made it a pro Google post.

Oh god, that is innovative, I tell you. I mean, it's not at all what Apple claims Google did to start with...

Oh wait...

Re:Nexi (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41730489)

Other than blatantly advertising Slashdot's fetishistic love for Apple,

Faggots like you need to learn about respect.

Some people like Apple products. If you don't like Apple
products, shut your cum-slurping faggot mouth and
move on. You do not get to decide what the rest of the world
prefers, little faggot. All you get to do is serve your masters
and then when your little faggot body fails, you die.

Re:Nexi (1)

csumpi (2258986) | about 2 years ago | (#41730281)

Enough of the who copies whom stuff already.

They all copy. Here's a good read for you: The Tweaker [newyorker.com] .

Re:Nexi (2)

JDG1980 (2438906) | about 2 years ago | (#41729137)

It looks like Google will be adding some models next week - Nexus 10, with an extremely high resolution screen for less than $300

The current word is that the Google/Samsung joint venture tablet will have a 2560x1600 screen resolution. Awesome if true, but I can't imagine them getting that out at a $300 price point. More likely it will be the same price as the iPad 3 (starting at $499). Even so, it will probably restore competitiveness at the high end of the tablet market, which is a good thing.

Re:Nexi (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#41729469)

. More likely it will be the same price as the iPad 3 (starting at $499)

Why would you think that they wouldn't price the device cheaper than the iPad. I can only imagine the Google pricing for a market share grab. Its what they did for the NEXUS 7 why would they change strategies from a successful one to an unsuccessful one.

Re:Nexi (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41729673)

Because it would complete with Samsung's own tablets that sell for $599. I'm thinking they will undercut a little make it $499

Re:Nexi (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about 2 years ago | (#41730331)

Why would I think? It's not my personal opinion, just rumors.

Smashing if true. I have been thinking about a Nexus 7, but for $300 or even $400 a Nexus 10 would be a great buy.

Above that and I'll probably go with the Nexus 7.

Smaller? I want bigger. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41728925)

I want a full color high resolution tablet sized 9x12 that doesn't cost more than about $350. Until they get to that point I don't need one because my phone already does everything a tablet can do - and more. I want a bigger screen, not a smaller one.

Price sensitive users huh (1)

Dyinobal (1427207) | about 2 years ago | (#41728967)

I love the phrasing Price Sensitive users, aka cheap bastards. Seriously why anyone would get an ipad for ebook reading over the options offered by Barnes and Noble or Amazon.

Re:Price sensitive users huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41729073)

um, they probably wouldn't if they want a device JUST for reading ebooks. the thing is, that's not what most people want. especially if someone can only afford one $300 device, they're probably not going to get an ereader. they're going to look for a full tablet device. right now the kindle fire and nexus 7 are good options, though the fire has some distinct disadvantages. apple's looking to compete in that niche. they NEED to.

Re:Price sensitive users huh (3, Insightful)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about 2 years ago | (#41729215)

> why anyone would get an ipad for ebook reading

How about not having your content deleted and your reader bricked at the whim of your corporate owner?

http://www.bekkelund.net/2012/10/22/outlawed-by-amazon-drm/ [bekkelund.net]

Re:Price sensitive users huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41729523)

Holy shit! I just closed my Amazon account. For any data miners on Amazon.....FUCK YOU!

Never for the long haul (1)

Grayhand (2610049) | about 2 years ago | (#41729029)

I'd be shocked if they didn't drop the iPad 2. There's no point in keeping it since it's old technology. It fit a niche but if people want a cheaper option they'll get the mini. I don't see a need to come up with one for every price point. You've got the full strength then a cheaper version for those that can't aford the full sized one. What I want to see is more memory. Where are the 128 and 256 models? I found the HD films looked only marginally better while sucking up twice my capacity so I stopped buying them right after I tried one. They burn up too much space. With 128 or 256 I could hold multiple seasons of TV shows or a decent movie collection, a 120 to 250 at standard def. Right now I have to plan ahead and only load what I'm likely to watch.

Re:Never for the long haul (1)

Belial6 (794905) | about 2 years ago | (#41729625)

Maybe Apple users just think different, but everyone I know that are buying 7" tablets are not doing it for price. (Although they really like the price) They are doing it because they want a tablet that fits in their large pockets or purses. Large tablets are dandy for places that you can set them down and walk away from them, but they suck for carrying around all of the time. Jobs didn't understand this, and it is sounding like his replacement doesn't either.

Re:Never for the long haul (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41730253)

Exactly why I am thrilled with it! I love my apples but my phone/ipod is quite small for many things. (old eyes) and the ipad is just too big for my usage. My ONLY wish left to be answered is an iwhatever that integrates better with exel. Then it would fulfill almost everything I need and I would no longer need my netbook/laptop.

Re:Never for the long haul (1)

csumpi (2258986) | about 2 years ago | (#41730357)

+1. Another factor is weight. 10" tablets are too heavy to hold, so they are either laid flat (which is a pin in the neck), or propped up (can't type). The 7" factor is much lighter, and one can even type with two thumbs while holding it.

Doubt it (1)

pubwvj (1045960) | about 2 years ago | (#41729049)

iPodTouch/iPhone = small screen
iPad mini = medium screen
iPad = large screen

Each has a market. Having them all lets Apple get more market penetration. In fact, many people, like us, buy multiples. I don't want to carry even an iPad mini around in my pocket by an iPodTouch is just right. Goldilocks was onto something.

If anything, I would expect Apple to bring out an iPad MAXi with a bigger screen. Then you've got the iTV for the really big version.

Next make them all run MacOS and Windows (all Macs can do both) and it's a home run.

Re:Doubt it (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41729293)

I would expect Apple to bring out an iPad MAXi

And that would be called the MaxiPad?

The king is dead. Long live the king! (1)

OzPeter (195038) | about 2 years ago | (#41729145)

I'm the first to mention this, but there there are solid rumors of the "New iPad" getting a revamp with a move to the new lightning connector. The latest iPod touch has the new lightning connector and the iPad mini will have it too. Apple is not shy about ditching technology so it would make sense to ditch the iPad 2 to ensure that all of its mobile lineup carries the lightning connector

$250? Apple doesn't do non-profit products. (1)

guidryp (702488) | about 2 years ago | (#41729361)

All the people thinking Apple has to compete with Nexus/Fire are forgetting something. Those products have essentially no profit margin, they are non-profit products.

Apple doesn't work that way. Apple makes its money with nice healthy profit margins, of which there would be zero in an 8" 4:3 iPad. That is another thing, did everyone forget how rounding works. The iPad Mini rumors state the display is 7.85". If you going to round off to the nearest inch, that is 8" not 7" like everyone keeps stating.

Basically there is no way in Hell that (we exist for profit margins) Apple is going to sell an 8" iPad for less than $300.

Re:$250? Apple doesn't do non-profit products. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41729513)

Apple's profit margins are an endangered species. Android tablet market share has *exploded* just in the last few months and Apple is going to have to lower prices drastically, without lowering their quality if it wants to maintain competitiveness. Unfortunately their "iPad mini" strategy appears to be following the idea of lowering quality in order to lower price, and I am afraid for Apple's future because of it.

Re:$250? Apple doesn't do non-profit products. (1)

jmauro (32523) | about 2 years ago | (#41729947)

This has been inferred for last 4 years or so, but somehow it never seems to come to pass [ycharts.com] . First it was the newer SanDisk mp3 players going to eat into the iPod margins, then the new Android phones would eat into the iPod margins, then the new Amazon Fires would eat into the iPads.

Somehow through all of the competition their margins just keep getting better.

Re:$250? Apple doesn't do non-profit products. (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | about 2 years ago | (#41729893)

I agree there's no chance it'll come out at $250, but that's because of marketing, not anything else.

Apple can sell hardware at cost and make profits if they control the ecosystem which delivers content to the hardware, and they do indeed do that.

The rumors say this'll be more than $300. Of course it will be. The price is always a good way to say "This is better", and adding 20-30% to the price of something doesn't price it out of the ballpark but it does make it appear, to many people, to be a better quality product, regardless of whether it is or not. But Apple could, at least in theory, back that up by actually making a better tablet. It doesn't look like they've done that (Apple fanbois will claim it is merely because it has iOS on it, but in hardware terms the specs aren't rumored to be anything to write home about), but they could do that, and make nothing on the hardware, knowing they're raking it in on the Apple's app store.

Oh, come on! (5, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 2 years ago | (#41729485)

The event is freaking TOMORROW. What's the point in posting an article today that speculates what the price of the iPad Mini might be? We'll actually know tomorrow - no speculation involved!

Re:Oh, come on! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41729917)

It keeps us from talking about the debate.

Re:Oh, come on! (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#41730283)

The event is freaking TOMORROW. What's the point in posting an article today that speculates what the price of the iPad Mini might be? We'll actually know tomorrow - no speculation involved!

Because its really interesting, The IPad Mini price point is interesting because this quarter is incredibly exciting, with Apple forced to bring out a Tweener tablet that will cannibalise its both high margin iPad and iPod touch, at the same time trying to stave of competition from Androids successful 7" ranges from Amazon and Google. That is ignoring the other side of the equation where a successful launch of Nexus 10 or Surface or both could put a real dent in Apple High end High Margin profit.

We know that Surface will be priced at the full size iPad, and we know that the Nexus will be offering more storage for the same price. The only other unknown is the Nexus 10 price if it exists at all.

Re:Oh, come on! (1)

csumpi (2258986) | about 2 years ago | (#41730365)

Clicks? They got you, didn't they?

Lots of iPads (0)

lilfields (961485) | about 2 years ago | (#41729713)

I know a lot of people with iPads, but I never see anyone using it. Doesn't anyone else find that strange? I see people using their smart phones and MacBooks or UltraBooks. So really aside from the cool factor, is an iPad really...necessary? To be frank, I can't stand using an iPad, some people say the size is just right...but to me it feels super awkward to use. The Kindle (the original with e-ink) I think feels great to use, something about the iPad just feels weird. Maybe it's the idea of having an OS made for phones on it. I hope the Surface fairs better. Unfortunately for Microsoft there isn't a cult there, Apple has a cult.

Re:Lots of iPads (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41729975)

I saw someone using an iPad once.

True story.

In a theater so... pico projector (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41729937)

My guess is the iPad Mini has a pico projector. If Apple has solved the blindness problems at decent brightness levels the pico laser projectors make a great image and don't need to be focused. This would be a classic surprise move by Apple to trump everybody else.

Apple have patents on this, and pico projector company MicroVision's CEO just resigned a couple weeks ago (could be inside info... Apple having a projector would crush them).

So what do we know about the iPad Mini? (2)

DerekLyons (302214) | about 2 years ago | (#41730175)

So what do we know about the iPad Mini?

Absolutely nothing - the iPad mini (and it's specs and costs) are complete fabrications by "journalists" and "analysts" who have to churn out so many words per day to justify their existence.

A double standard? (1)

joneil (677771) | about 2 years ago | (#41730277)

When the RIM Blackberry tablet first came out up here in Canada, I distinctly remember the first reviews on the news and in print. One of the big "complaints" about the RIM tablet was that it was smaller - only 7.6 inches wide. Strangely enough, the article here states the new mini iPad is 7.85 inches wide.

      I remember too it wasn't so much what the reviewers on TV said, it was how they said it, their "tone of voice", the inflection in the words, not the words themselves. Now that Apple is doing a small tablet, it's the next "exciting product". *sigh*

      Anyhow, the basic 8 gig RIM tablet occasionally goes on sale here in Canada for around the $100 mark and they are usually sold out instantly long before you can drive to the store or even think of ordering one online. Leads me to think the number one use of tablets is e-mail, surf the web, read books and/or business documents. I don't use my iPad for music or movies or TV shows, etc, just business. Over the past year I've taken most the apps off that I had on my "old" original iPad one, because I simply don't use it for very much more than those items above.

    True you can do a million and one things with an iPad - or most tablets nowadays, but in real world use I find I still need a full featured laptop. I love my iPad for what it is, I make great use of it, but I see zero need for me to upgrade to an iPad 3 or a mini-iPad or any other new tablet. Somedays i think the real reason for the latest and greatest iPad is so you can look cool at Starbucks. for me, I will wait until my current iPad dies out or becomes hopelessly obsolete, and then, with all the choices out there, my next tablet will be whatever gets the job done.

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