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Ask Slashdot: How Can I Protect My Android Devices From Hackers?

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the farraday-cage-in-a-farraday-zoo dept.

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SternisheFan writes "My Android phone (an unrooted OptimusV running 2.2.2) and my Android tablet (Arnova 7g3 running 4.1) have been subjected to hacking via either 'forced Bluetooth attack' or through the Wi-Fi signals in the home where I currently rent a room. I got an Android phone at the start of this year after my 'feature phone' was force Bluetooth hacked hoping for better security, yet I still have major security issues. For instance, my Optimus's Wi-Fi again shows an error, although I am sure that a hack is causing this since when I reset the device when it's out of range from this home's signal the Wi-Fi works fine. And now the tablet (as of recently) can't access this home's open Wi-Fi, though it works fine when at other outside hot-spots. So, my question is: Are there any good (free?) security apps out there that would actually prevent this from occurring? It's not like I'm doing nefarious things on the internet, I just want to keep it private."

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Good fix (-1, Flamebait)

grub (11606) | about a year and a half ago | (#41729669)


Are there any good (free?) security apps out there that would actually prevent this from occurring?

iOS 6 comes free on the iPhone 5. Highly recommended!

Re:Good fix (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41729737)

He wants a cool phone. Not a has-been phone with a broken voice program (siri) and a broken maps program (Apple Maps).

Re:Good fix (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730477)

Then why does he have a lamer phone running 2.2.2? Your android phone is crap if it's not running Jelly Bean.

Re:Good fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41729759)

Fail! Ios6 is neither good nor a security app, try again.

Re:Good fix (5, Insightful)

djl4570 (801529) | about a year and a half ago | (#41729795)

This IOS versus Android stuff is as tired as the Windows 95 versus OS/2 screeds of 1995.

Re:Good fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41729861)

OS/2 Warp is going to blow your mind!

Re:Good fix (1)

grub (11606) | about a year and a half ago | (#41729891)

I remember the "DOS PC vs. Apple ][" crap in the early 80s. Just thought I'd toss out that bone and see the results. Too funny.

Re:Good fix (4, Funny)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730459)

Everyone knows it was the Atari 800 versus the Commodore 64 that was the holy war of the 80s!

Or was it Amiga versus the Atari ST?

Coke versus Pepsi.

Re:Good fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730069)

OS/2 Warp = Killer OS..

Re:Good fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41729815)

Please down mod parent. "iOS 6" is not a "security app" as was requested by the poster. And if history have shown anything, then OS' aren't secure from anything.

Re:Good fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730021)

iOS 6 comes free on the iPhone 5. Highly recommended!

Ah, so it really IS just the phone that's overpriced, then? Understood!

Re:Good fix (0)

noh8rz9 (2716595) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730073)

at risk of downmods, i second this. the fact that you would need antivirus on a phone is a indication that the operating system has failed. ios is secure. the only problem is that if you're on VMo, you don't get the carrier subsidy that you would on sprint, etc, so it's (for me, at least) prohibitively expensive.

Re:Good fix (1)

Lucky75 (1265142) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730261)

Don't you remember the viruses that affected iOS? http://www.tomshardware.com/news/iphone-virus-botnet-bank-details,9136.html [tomshardware.com]

Re:Good fix (1)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730471)

Your article is three years old and only applies to jail broken iPhones running iPhone OS 3. Try again.

Re:Good fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730685)

...but it did happen and that's history. Learn from it, hopefully.

Get an iPhone (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41729709)

Steve Jobs' ghost will protect you.

lol jk you'll catch aids from Steve Jobs if you touch an iPhone.

open WiFi? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41729747)

if you don't use bluetooth turn it off; as for wifi there are lots of reasons why it won't work (overcrowded airspace, microwaves that interfere, etc). If you are not using WPA2; then you need to upgrade. I would try changing the channel your wifi is on as well (e.g. if it is 6 now, go to 1 or 11)

Re:open WiFi? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730129)

100%, absolutely, positively, this. There is no app out there that will effectively protect you from yourself -- and, make no mistake, it is you creating the problem. If you run around roaming from AP to AP, run unsecured at home (what?!), and leave your BT on even when not in use, you're gonna have a bad time.

Re:open WiFi? (0)

Lucky75 (1265142) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730279)

The point is that you shouldn't have to disable all the stuff that is a feature of your phone, particularly bluetooth.

Re:open WiFi? (4, Insightful)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730359)

I shouldnt have to put up a firewall with stateful packet inspection just to get on the internet either, but we do.

Re:open WiFi? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730405)

You don't "have to", but it's a good idea. It saves power, and it blocks with 100% effectiveness a potential attack vector. Even if there are no known exploits for a service, it makes sense to disable that service when not in use -- if for nothing else, as a JIC measure for the most paranoid amongst us. And, really, it's one tap of the screen to shut out all potential threats from a particular source... so just do it.

Re:open WiFi? (5, Funny)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730495)

I shouldn't have to lock my car but I lock it and most people would agree that I'd be stupid if I left my car unlocked.

Yay, car analogy!

Re:open WiFi? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730533)

Bluetooth was and is a bitch, just like most poorly designed and secured wireless protocols (and NFC is [slashdot.org] a worthy [slashdot.org] successor [slashdot.org]). Disabling it was a good security sense since Bluetooth-capable feature phones.

Re:open WiFi? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730763)

Also, much less common of a hack then wep, but you should turn off wps. http://code.google.com/p/reaver-wps/

Re:open WiFi? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730327)

Both the security protocol used and the channel the router is transmitting on are under the control of whomever has the router. I don't think it's the OP, so those are probably beyond their ability to control (unless, you know, they ask the owner).

Try.. (5, Insightful)

mschoolbus (627182) | about a year and a half ago | (#41729751)

Why don't you turn Bluetooth off until you need it?

I am not convinced you are being 'hacked'.

Re:Try.. (3, Insightful)

thsths (31372) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730099)

Exactly. I would recommend to dial back the paranoia, not every bug is evidence of being hacked. Unfortunately the WiFi stack of Android is absolutely full of bugs, but most only cause a bad connection or a disconnect.

That being said, Android 2.2 is way out of date, and you should not consider it secure in any sense of the word. Watch the information that you put on your phone, including login data. And there is nothing you can do about it, except complain to the manufacturer about it not being "fit for purpose".

Re:Try.. (5, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730517)

Knowing the phone and the OS level, It's not being hacked. it's the craptastic phone and out of Date OS.

2.2.2 had MAJOR problems with wifi. the phone needs to be sold and buy a unlocked nexus from google.

Re:Try.. (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730133)

The claims are truly dubious. I can't find any evidence of there being hacks available for the Optimus V or stock Android 2.2, and even if there were the phone is only discoverable for 60 seconds during which the attack would need to be launched.

What was the result of this hack? Can the questioner provide any details?

Basically as long as you only install apps from Google Play you should be fine. The problems with his home wifi sound like a router problem because clearly the phone can connect to other access points.

Re:Try.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730339)

Submitter posting AC here (screwed up my /. Account settings) I get google play no problem, and at times when my 3g signal "just stops", I 'kill' "power control" using Android Assistant+18, and 3g starts right up again. This home now has 4 wifi signals from different routers, 2 are locked, 2 open, though only one could I access. The new router signal is named "(*)HP access). I'm keeping up with the responses.

Re:Try.. (3, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730543)

you have a junk phone with known problems running a very out of date OS. you at LEAST should be upgraded to 2.3.3 to fix most of the problems you are seeing.

Re:Try.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730887)

Submitter here posting AC, I can't upgrade. I go to setting, about phone, check for upgrades and it says "no updates available" I've tried calling virgin mobile, all they do is remotely reset the phone, same results when I do it. Unless I go out of this homes wifi range, but once I return, the phone wifi eventually shows the "error" message when trying to turnturn it on.

uh what? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41729765)

you cant connect to the wifi at your house with two devices so you assume its the devices and not the wifi?

Re:uh what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730799)

Maybe the house owner you are renting from decided to leave the connection as unsecure yet enabled MAC filtering just to screw with you. Or then gain, maybe they are tired of watching you view midget donkey pron all night long.

More likely bad wifi chip/driver in the phone (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41729771)

Probably bad wifi chip or drivers on the phone. My android moto phone would regularly hork up my router until it got an update

Re:More likely bad wifi chip/driver in the phone (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41729835)

Also, compatibility between routers and hardware is not uncommon either. My toshiba laptop couldn't reliably connect to my parent's router, though it works fine with Linksys. And I've seen many HP laptops have problems with many router brands.

Its likely your phone, or your router diverges from the wifi standard in some non compatible that causes problems.

I seriously doubt you are being hacked. Just shit technology.

A few tips.... (5, Informative)

abhi2012 (2739367) | about a year and a half ago | (#41729799)

1. Put bluetooth in invisible mode unless you require somebody to find it. 2. Don't put the devices you add on auto send/receive. 3. Try putting an antivirus with a firewall. There are quite a few on the market. 4. Ask the network admin (of the WiFi at your home) to disallow listing of devices on the network. I suppose that should get you started.

Re:A few tips.... (1)

stillpixel (1575443) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730011)

Good advice, sad that you have to go to this amount of effort for a smart phone or tablet.. You would think devices like these should be by default set in the most secure configuration requiring the end user to open them up as they find it necessary.

Re:A few tips.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730313)

To be fair, that's pretty much the minimal amount of effort you should put into securing any system. You would think that any PED or OS should be configured to the highest security standards, but that's just not the case, whether due to ease-of-use exceptions or simple human error. All end-users should know how to and accept the responsibility for securing their own devices.

what the fuck? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41729801)

Might as well ask slashdot how you can protect your ass cherry while you're in jail.

How to prevent being hacked (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41729809)

Turn the devices off.

Some tips: (5, Informative)

kiriath (2670145) | about a year and a half ago | (#41729821)

Be wary of "any ol' bob's" android distro. Try to stay mainstream and stay up to date. If you're not using bluetooth, turn it off. If your vendor's version of Android isn't as secure as it could be complain with much loudness, if you don't get satisfaction switch vendors.

Your Wifi issues seem to me to be related more to your AP than the devices themselves. Perhaps try a different AP/Router?

I'm not sure how you could be sure a hack is causing a Wifi error. Even if it popped up and said "Hi! Your wifi is disabled because we're haxoring you" I'd be skeptical. You should try some of the mainstream android support forums with that and see what they say.

Good luck!

Re:Some tips: (2)

Radish03 (248960) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730179)

Your Wifi issues seem to me to be related more to your AP than the devices themselves.

I've had a similar wifi issue with my phone (Nexus S) maintaining a connection to a home network running one of those ISP provided all-in-one router/modems. The solution was to turn off "Avoid Poor Connections" in Settings > Wi-Fi> Advanced.

Re:Some tips: (1)

kiriath (2670145) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730637)

That seems logical... from the AP standpoint having a low signal device trying to get its share of time can drag down the performance of the rest of the connections to the AP. If your phone is the only or one of the only devices connecting then it wouldn't matter(as much). A lot of times the AP will continually kick low signal devices if the threshold is set even marginally strict, so that it doesn't have to degrade the connectivity of the faster connections.

If you're on a low power device across the house from the router, investigating an option like the one above in your router settings might help you out.

Also, inversely you may be 'too close'. If you've got your tablet laying on top of your wireless router you might consider lowering power across both the device (if possible) and the router/AP (likely possible) to keep the signal from being too intense for it to efficiently communicate.

Re:Some tips: (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730913)

Wouldn't most hacking try to keep your connection working and remain unobtrusive?

A kid might wanna wreck your phone but most hacking would be to look for nudie shots or spy on you or coopt you into a botnet. All want to keep you running smoothly.

Short-range attacks (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41729823)

If the vectors you're being "hacked" through are BlueTooth or WiFi, it would seem that they're both occurring from fairly close to your physical location. Maybe you should figure out which of your housemates is hacking your devices and take appropriate action.

Re:Short-range attacks (3, Funny)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730487)

Maybe you should figure out which of your housemates is hacking your devices and take appropriate action.

Like, deleting his porn?

You're blocked. (3, Informative)

drakaan (688386) | about a year and a half ago | (#41729837)

Correlation is not causation.

You assume that since you were hacked via bluetooth before at a particular place (maybe) that since your connection to an unsecured wifi hotspot (!!! seriously? you're *really* worried about getting hacked but you're connecting to an open wifi connection?) doesn't work, it must be because of hacking.

Most routers have the ability to allow specific MAC addresses to connect, and to deny connections to MAC addresses not in that list. My guess is that's what's going on...hard to say, since you didn't mention whether you spoke to the person who pays for the internet connection associated with the previously-mentioned wireless access point.

Re:You're blocked. (1)

characterZer0 (138196) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730227)

Why is connecting to an open WiFi access point a security problem? The device should never trust the network.

Re:You're blocked. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730645)

It's a security problem in other sense - sniffing on open WiFi is child's play. Other thing to consider is a hacker first have to get on same net with your device to try anything else, and hacking in on a WPA2 protected net is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay harder than tapping "connect" on an unsecured one.

Re:You're blocked. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730823)

Yes, and everyone should always use https. But not every site is tech savvy enough to set that up. For example, I'm looking at Slashdot right now, and apparently it doesn't default to use https when you are not logged in.

FireAMP (1)

whitelabrat (469237) | about a year and a half ago | (#41729839)

I use FireAMP on my phone, but obviously if you are security conscious keep the bluetooth turned off when in public. And only use WiFi hot spots that you trust.

Move? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41729853)

I know it may not be real practical but if your roomates or close neighbors are hacking you all the time this might not be a very good establishment? I wonder what their motives are and if they can be trusted outside the digital realm as well. I'm also skeptical as to whether or not you are really being hacked. These things aren't that easy. I don't see how any non root app is going to be able to solve security problems which appear to be a problem of the OS.

Umm... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41729875)

I think your problem is the "Open WiFi" in your house instead of your device. Maybe it's too overloaded to actually provide service with everyone using it.

Ask your housemates to secure the wifi connection or don't use it.

Open Wifi (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41729879)

Have you considered that the security hole might be the OPEN home network? Both of your devices work fine on other Wifi networks, but you have trouble with the home network. If you don't own the router, try talking with whoever does.

Why are you a target? (4, Interesting)

ebunga (95613) | about a year and a half ago | (#41729889)

Why are you a target? If you are actually a victim here, and not some person suffering from paranoid delusions, what makes you worthy of the risk of a close range attack?

Re:Why are you a target? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730023)

That's like asking why some teenager tagged the side of my house. Um.... because people are DUMB. That's why.

Re:Why are you a target? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730557)

Why are you a target? If you are actually a victim here, and not some person suffering from paranoid delusions, what makes you worthy of the risk of a close range attack?

Submitter posting AC here, possiblities include a lovely, concerned ex-fiancee who came into a boatload of money many years back (her 7 sisters + 3 brothers didn't want me to marry her, had me arrested on false assault charges) plus family members cincerned enough to want to keep tabs on me. I have moved, several times in the last 12 months. GPS hacked, other cheap tablet hacke last year while I was at work, made into a listening device, I smashed that one. This crap follows me wherever I go. I'd move out of state, but I have to figure this out or it will keep happeninf, I feel...

Re:Why are you a target? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730697)

How much meth do you turkey baste, and how long have you been up?

Captcha=discord

Are the captchas learning?

hacked?! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41729895)

You aren't being hacked, the owner of the wifi in your house is fed up with you skanking his wifi and blocking you.
How did this get posted?

You can't. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41729909)

The reason your lamedroid device was so cheap was because you GAVE UP such "useless" things as security, usability, and usefulness. The best solution to your problem is the iPhone 5.

Go to the Blackberry thread (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41729911)

What? It's not secure out of the box?!

Go to the Blackberry thread and ask all the Android fanatics how to secure your device because apparently it's the most secure mobile OS ever.

Webroot SecureAnywhere (1)

colfer (619105) | about a year and a half ago | (#41729923)

Don't know if it's the best, but it's the one the WSJ recommended a year or so ago. Yet for the last few months a pretty bad bug, failure to update, has affected many users: http://community.webroot.com/t5/Webroot-Mobile-for-Android/Definition-Update-Failed/td-p/9404 [webroot.com] A fix is finally due this week, they say.

The problem is that many phones have very little volatile memory available. On my phone, apps like Facebook and Youtube and Twitter and Poynt cannot be deleted, nor the detested music content app of my provider. These are among the apps constantly demanding updates, and probably memory.

Otherwise it's a pretty good deal at $35/month for phone service & data, no contract (Sprint reseller), so it's a tradeoff

Useless apps clogging up the ability to scan for current viruses
vs.
reasonable cost
vs.
rooting the phone.

The latter is confusing enough from what I can tell, but might allow tethering.

First off... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41729945)

Why in the world do you think you are being 'hacked'? From the description, it is just as likely that you just have crappy wifi at home as a problem. If you are saying someone is setting up a malicious access point and your phone is giving your errors indicating MITM attacks are being attempted, then isn't it doing exactly what it is supposed to do?

You'll not like this answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41729969)

But stock optimusV sucks to infinity, I've been away from the stock rom for over 14 months and it was the best thing I did.

Looking at your issues, it looks like you're afraid that someone is "hacking" you, even though there's no evidence. My suggestion would be to throw your router in the trash, buy a new one, see what that gets you. Because I doubt anyone is after you and if they are you've got more problems than slashdot can help out with.

Is this a joke? (5, Insightful)

DigitAl56K (805623) | about a year and a half ago | (#41729973)

So you have two devices having problems connecting to your home access point, and you assume you need protection for your android devices? It sounds more like you need to fix a problem with your access point, in that it's stopped accepting connections. Maybe it's exhausted DHCP assignments for your devices, or your MAC addresses are being blocked - maybe because someone was trying to spoof them, maybe because of a bug in the access point.

Going from "my devices are having problems connecting to my access point at home only" to "help, hackers are attacking my android devices" is a bit of a stretch, isn't it?

And more of a stretch is how this got front page...

Re:Is this a joke? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730199)

No, no, this is real. If fact, it's the Worst Virus Ever according to CNN.

PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERYONE ON YOUR CONTACT LIST

A new virus has just been discovered that has been classified by Microsoft as the most destructive ever! This virus was discovered yesterday afternoon by McAfee and no vaccine has yet been developed.

This virus simply destroys Sector Zero from the hard disk, where vital information for its functioning are stored.

This virus acts in the following manner: It sends itself automatically to all contacts on your list with the title " A Card for You."

As soon as the supposed virtual card is opened, the computer freezes so that the user has to reboot. When the keys or the reset button are pressed, the virus destroys Sector Zero, thus permanently destroying the hard disk.

Yesterday in just a few hours this virus caused panic in New York, according to news broadcast by CNN. This alert was received by an employee of Microsoft itself. So don't open any mails with subject: "A Virtual Card for You." As soon as you get the mail, delete it. Even if you know the sender.

Microwave (0, Troll)

The Grim Reefer (1162755) | about a year and a half ago | (#41729983)

I had a similar problem too. But I found that it went away after I put my Galaxy S3 in the microwave for about 2 minutes*. It became "hardened" against such attacks. Haven't been hacked since.

* Times may vary depending on the phone and wattage of your microwave.

Want privacy? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41729991)

Want privacy? Avoid android.

If you don't know... STFU (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730007)

God I can't stand when people ask for help, and the people who answer haven't got a clue but feel inclined to spout of suggestions anyway.

Para-droid? (3, Insightful)

WoodburyMan (1288090) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730015)

Okay so you are paranoid about someone attacking your device via Bluetooth, yet you're connection is a unsecured unencrypted WiFi network. Also if you believe someone is coming in via Bluetooth, then it's limited range, and someone in your home is doing it. Time to file criminal charges or move. This might be legit. However this strongly reminds me of a client we had to deal with that we had to finally tell to stop calling us, as he believed "hackers" were out to get him, and installed a virus in his phone line. As in the wire. Despite hours and hours of patiently explaining how it was impossible, and local phone company replacing and checking for wire taps according to him. He believed it because a person would always join the AOL Chat room he was in and tell him his phone conversations he just had. This was in dial up days. Within the last year, the same guy stopped in. (Only I recognized him as others who were working for our business at the time have all left). He claimed hackers kept installing viruses on his smart phone and he wiped it and they kept coming back.

Tried and True (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730139)

Try downgrading to another phone (for example, the Nokia 3390B). It texts and calls like you would expect, and I've never had an issue with hackers.

Submitter here... (0)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730157)

I appreciate all the replies here (except for the "get an iPhone" one, not an option!)

I am not in control of the routers here, an extra one 'appeared' recently), though I will be speaking to my landlady about using a simple password on her router for a securer connection. I don't use bluetooth at all, though I noticed it and sync were both active a few days ago, and it wasn't from me.

Lastly, with wi-fi definately turned off on the phone's main screen switch, the app "android assistant +18" showed it was still active. Only by pulling the battery and clearing the phone (by holding down the power button for 15 seconds) does it clear for a time.

Thanks again for all these great suggestions, I wish it was a figment of my imagination. I've had enough of a crash course in android this year to know it's real, especially when I have family members who are in law enforcement and gov't jobs that they can't/won't talk about. Those people do have access to the 'interesting' toys...

Re:Submitter here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730225)

But what actual evidence, other then the "family members who are in law enforcement and gov't jobs that they can't/won't talk about" and your "crash course in android" is there that you are being *hacked* and not just having connectivity issues?

Re:Submitter here... (4, Insightful)

assantisz (881107) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730393)

I've had enough of a crash course in android this year to know it's real, especially when I have family members who are in law enforcement and gov't jobs that they can't/won't talk about. Those people do have access to the 'interesting' toys...

I don't know, dude. The most logical answer anybody here can give you: your wifi access at home is crap because a) both of your devices work fine using other hotspots and b) both of your devices don't work at home. Btw, Android 2.2.x (aka Froyo) is known to have wifi problems in enterprise settings. Google fixed that in 2.3. Just another example how other explanations make a lot more sense than "I am being hacked." And the quote above makes you sound a bit of a looney.

Re:Submitter here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730421)

Hi Submitter,

Posting anon since I'm at the office.

What if you take your phone in for a warranty exchange and get a different one of the same model at the dealer?

Also, I recall that a number of phones have cooked in cruft which turns on wifi, etc. to phone home and download more ads and other product placements. Is the OptimusV one of these? I haven't yet moved to an Android phone myself, but I have an Amazon Kindle Fire which periodically signs onto wifi to check for music and book purchases for me. Perhaps there's an application in your phone which is doing something similar.

Re:Submitter here... (1)

Quarters (18322) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730525)

Seriously, paranoid much? A quick search on Google Play shows that Android Assistant is an app that helps you manage your device (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.advancedprocessmanager). Have you tried uninstalling it from the Apps setting screen. Wiping your phone by battery removal is all good and such, but it solves a symptom, not the underlying problem. In this case the underlying problem could be that you didn't uninstall the app or it could be that you're convinced someone is constantly injecting that app onto your phone...over a wifi connection you say you can't even access. I'll let the court of public opinion determine which is the more reasonable option. So you've got a wifi AP that doesn't like you and a widely available system management app. I don't care how much you insinuate about relatives in secretive government jobs, you're not convincing me that you are the target of some directed and repetitive hacking attempt.

Re:Submitter here... (1)

Quarters (18322) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730587)

What's your argument for there needing to be some sort of correlation between disabling WIFI and that forcing an application to close? That doesn't happen. I can have Navigation open on my Android phone and turn off the GPS receiver. Navigation continues to run, alerting me to the fact that it is no longer talking to GPS satellites.

Get a Mac (-1, Troll)

ugen (93902) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730163)

Or, as the case may be, iPhone/iPad. You are a perfect customer for Apple.

Re:Get a Mac (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730325)

Or, as the case may be, iPhone/iPad. You are a perfect customer for Apple.

Actually, you do bring up a very good point. In that this submission looks and smells an awful lot like a desperate shill for Apple, given the incomplete information given and the fairly obvious long-jump to conclusions where "can't connect to wifi == HAAAAAAAX!" and "someone 'forced' my Bluetooth on an old feature phone before == HAAAAAAAAX!".

Seriously, what the hell does "force Bluetooth" even MEAN, anyway?

Re:Get a Mac (1)

Goody (23843) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730501)

Yea, because anyone who can't identify security attack vectors, recompile kernels, or rewrite their phone's OS source code shouldn't be operating an Android phone.

possible/probably (1)

meerling (1487879) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730237)

I apologize for not being familiar with the current market of android security apps, and though that may be a good thing to have, I'm rather doubtful it's your current issue.

It seems you are concluding that you have been hacked because you can't connect to one home network that someone else administers, but are fine on other networks. It's probably the network, not your phone.

Some probably causes:
The admin changed the security protocol to one your devices don't support. (I see that with nintendo 3ds gameboys all the time.)
The admin changed the network key, and hasn't given you the new/correct one.
The admin changed speed settings to something your devices don't support. (Like 802.11g when your stuff only goes to 802.11c. No idea what your gear does support, it's just an example. And there are new double letter versions out there to cause even more confusion, like 802.11ac)
The admin has blocked your devices, or has set it to only allow specified devices, of which yours haven't been specified. (Usually done using MACs.)

In short, with the info you've given us, your phone is probably fine, your home admin is probably unthinking, stupid, or a dick. Try to find out which first before throwing accusations, you still have to live with them.

Get root (0)

Progman3K (515744) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730251)

Get root because anything else is like trying to plug a leaky dam with a band-aid.

Oh sure, the astroturfers will now come out of the woodwork to claim "buy product u$ele$$, it'll make unicorn farts!"

But those are just bogus claims because you cannot defend a box properly if you are not its administrator.

Of course, it's not for the faint of heart (newb) though

Murdering the evil hacking room mates (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730263)

is clearly the only option.

Sadly that will prbbaly seem reasonable considering your display of logic and reason so far.

Flamebait (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730269)

This post is pure flamebait. The "symptoms" described hardly imply let alone confirm hacking, and Android is as secure as the protocols it uses to connect to the outside world and the apps you install on it. No networked system can do much better than that.

Turn them off... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730329)

and replace them with Apples.

A perfunctory glance at this post tells me (3, Insightful)

blind biker (1066130) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730465)

...that SternisheFan is not being "hacked". I do get the impression that he's somewhat clueless, though, and could benefit from the wisdom of the /. community.

For one thing: do not keep BT on all the time - that's going to sap a bit of energy from your battery. Not terribly much, but since it's also a potential safety risk, there is absolutely no need to have Bluetooth on unless you need it.

It's when the wi-fi situation was mentioned, that I realized the poster is clueless.

Dos and don'ts (3, Informative)

tero (39203) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730519)

Doesn't sound like you're hacked really.
But generally:

don't: ..run old versions of android (upgrade your devices - upgrade hardware if you can't run latest software) ..install apps from non-appstore sources, be vary of malicious appstore apps as well (read reviews, do research before install, generally avoid "freebie" versions of paid software). ..surf on strange pages, click strange links or scan QR-codes ..have bluetooth/wifi/nfc on when not needed ..connect to unsecure free wi-fi, ever. ..don't use public USB loading stations (airports, malls etc). ..have sensible information on your phone/tablet.

do ..use encrypted device / sd-card ..use passphrase to lock the device screen ..use remote wipe/anti-theft service (most AV-vendors offer this) ..keep backups ..consider using a VPN service for those moments you can't avoid connecting to unsecure wi-fi.

That's it for starters.

The issue may be just RF not hacking. (1)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730567)

Sounds like you have an issue with your WiFi. Try using a different channel and if that doesn't work a new WiFi router. There is a nice WiFi analyzer program that you can get free from Google play. Use it to find a free channel. The clue that I'm looking at is the "Bluetooth is being hacked" and "WiFi doesn't work in my apartment". Both of these use the 2.4 GHz band and you could simply be a victim of too many RF devices in a small area raising the noise floor to a level too high for your phone to work.

Create an air gap (1)

jader3rd (2222716) | about a year and a half ago | (#41730593)

Turn off cellular data and turn off Wifi. Also, don't install any apps. Those steps will prevent hackers from getting control of an Android.

OP is retarded.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41730719)

...this retard obviously can't tell the difference between being hacked, and being retarded.

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