Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

Microsoft Releases Windows 8

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the you-knew-it-was-coming dept.

Microsoft 403

Orome1 writes "Microsoft today announced the global availability of Windows 8. Beginning Friday, Oct. 26, consumers and businesses worldwide will be able to experience all that Windows 8 has to offer, including a new user interface and a wide range of applications with the grand opening of the Windows Store. Launching at the same time is a new member of the Windows family — Windows RT — designed for ARM-based tablets and available pre-installed on new devices. In addition to Microsoft Office 2013, Windows RT is designed exclusively for apps in the new Windows Store. In addition to the range of new Windows-based devices available, consumers can also upgrade their existing PCs. Through the end of January, consumers currently running PCs with Windows XP, Windows Vista or Windows 7 are qualified to download an upgrade to Windows 8 Pro for an estimated retail price of US$39.99." Also at Slash Cloud, where Nick Kolakowski writes: "If the operating system and its associated hardware capture the attention (and dollars) of mobile-device users, Microsoft will have successfully expanded the Windows brand to a new and rapidly growing market segment. But if it fails, and Apple and Google continue to rule the mobility space, then Microsoft is left with few alternatives."

Sorry! There are no comments related to the filter you selected.

Pay more for less... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41767707)

So pay 40$ for a downgrade ?
Who the fuck comes up with these crazy ideas ?

Re:Pay more for less... (0)

rvw (755107) | about 2 years ago | (#41768005)

So pay 40$ for a downgrade ?
Who the fuck comes up with these crazy ideas ?

If you run XP and want to upgrade, it's not so bad. Is it possible to legally downgrade after that to 7 (not paying extra of course)?

Re:Pay more for less... (1, Funny)

jellomizer (103300) | about 2 years ago | (#41768701)

Let me guess, your assessment is based on the fact you watched a Youtube video on it. And that you just hate windows.

First post! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41767713)

Posted using Windows XP Technology

Re:First post! (5, Funny)

ZiakII (829432) | about 2 years ago | (#41767837)

Posted using Windows XP Technology

See if you were on Windows 8! Your computer would of ran faster and you would of gotten that first post!

Re:First post! (4, Funny)

dstyle5 (702493) | about 2 years ago | (#41767999)

Especially with the Slashdot Windows 8 app consuming your entire 24" display!

Re:First post! (4, Funny)

robthebloke (1308483) | about 2 years ago | (#41768177)

So what you're saying is that it's worth me upgrading from my 14" CRT and windows 95? I do hope they've made clippy into a fullscreen app. I still can't fathom how to use these 'PC' things without its insightful guidance.....

Re:First post! (5, Insightful)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about 2 years ago | (#41768281)

I'm just glad the first post wasn't another of those "I've been using Windows 8 for x months now and it's so fantastic I've constantly jizzed all over my keyboard and am going to say all kinds of untrue things about how it's soo much better that that linuz and Mac crud blah blah blah".

I don't think they realize all they're doing is making it hard to determine if someone is in fact using windows 8 and is happy with it and what the positive features are or if all positive post concerning it are just paid shrills out there to spread FUD. There frick'n everywhere any forum concerning Win8 has a massive log of people obviously just trying to make sure anything negative about windows is pushed right off the map. And yes I had considered that maybe it's because it's just a good OS, then I remember using the developers preview and watching all the "how windows will succeed" videos thinking, "Are they bat shit crazy!!!?"

Re:First post! (1)

davester666 (731373) | about 2 years ago | (#41768159)

No, he'd be in the future, but since Windows 8 includes the ability to travel through time, he could go back and write the article, effectively getting Post #0.

Re:First post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768685)

Or he could have been running the release candidate version.

Re:First post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768707)

Bah, I'm going to upgrade straight to Windows *98* - the OS from the future!

first post! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41767723)

someone had to do it

Re:first post! (0)

SuperMooCow (2739821) | about 2 years ago | (#41768319)

And someone did, but it wasn't you.

In more important news... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41767733)

I just ripped one, and boy does it stink.

Why? (5, Insightful)

sdo1 (213835) | about 2 years ago | (#41767735)

Confession: I'm a Windows/PC user. Win 7 works fine for me. I use it at work. I use it a home. I can run pretty much anything I want on it. It's stable and mostly trouble free for me.

I've yet to see a single compelling reason to move to Windows 8 for desktop/laptop. Maybe it's OK for tablets? I don't know... I use Android and I'm happy with that. Is there *any* "ohhh... gotta have that" feature in Windows 8? Looks like a usability step backwards from Windows 7 to me. Am I missing something?


Re:Why? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41767827)

There are three main changes in windows 8.

1) the tablet friendly UI (which might not be quite as unpleasant on a desktop eventually, but I don't want to find out)
2) lower overhead (good for anywhere)
3) reworked administrative tools based on the most likely future of hardware development predictable at the moment

So, aside from point 2, there isn't really a reason to upgrade an existing system.

Re:Why? (4, Informative)

cbhacking (979169) | about 2 years ago | (#41768693)

4) Improved out-of-the-box multi-monitor support (it's been likened with Ultramon, but without requiring third-party software).
5) Client HyperV. If you do anything with virtualization on your PC, or have even thought you might like to, this is a solid reason to look at Win8. There simply aren't any better virtualization solutions available for client Windows versions right now, certainly not at anything close to the same proce.
6) If you use multiple computers (most of us, probably, just like I imagne most use multiple monitors when posible), the ability to use Lindows Live for single-sign-on and profile roaming is excellent.
7) The Windows Store, which holds both "Metro-style" and desktop apps (at least on the x86 version of Win8). You may choose to avoid it for its tablet-friendly UI, or for the fact that it's basically a DRM system (like other commercial and integrated "app stores"), but you may find the ease of software discovery, installation, and updating to be useful.
8) Built-in antivirus. Just like a certain vocal portion of /. has been clamoring for MS to add for ages.

Re:Why? (1, Informative)

WilliamGeorge (816305) | about 2 years ago | (#41767831)

It has a few benefits, for certain types of work - like multi-monitor setups. It is also definitely better when used with a touch-screen. For most others, your are right - not a lot there to compel someone. Check out this blog post for a little more on the subject: []

Re:Why? (3, Insightful)

Bigbutt (65939) | about 2 years ago | (#41768109)

Well, you should have said: "Check out my blog post for a little more on the subject"


Re:Why? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41767871)

This is why:

I use Android and I'm happy with that.

Microsoft is NOT happy with this. It has dominated the computing scene for two decades and now people are finding they can get by without Windows. So Microsoft has to get with the times to stay relevant.

Re:Why? (1)

theswimmingbird (1746180) | about 2 years ago | (#41767929)

I would have upgraded because of the new task manager and better file transfers alone. But sadly, I can't justify it, either.

Re:Why? (2)

Emetophobe (878584) | about 2 years ago | (#41768239)

Gartner: Android to beat Windows by 2016 [] .

Google's Android operating system will be used on more computing devices than Microsoft's Windows within four years, data from research firm Gartner showed on Wednesday, underlining the massive shift in the technology sector.

At the end of 2016, there will be 2.3 billion computers, tablets and smartphones using Android software, compared with 2.28 billion Windows devices, Gartner data showed.

Not really (5, Informative)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | about 2 years ago | (#41767945)

It is a better OS from a technical standpoint. It is faster (Cakewalk found it sped up Sonar X1 in all heavy load cases) and some of the tools like the task manager are much better. However it isn't major.

On the down side its UI is ugly, and the metro stuff is crap. You don't have to use the metro stuff. Start 8 or Classic Shell will get you a real start menu and you can then ignore the tablet crap.

I'm fine with it, I use it at work since Windows support is my profession and I need to be familiar with it and it works well. However it is not a major update. Internally it calls itself Windows NT 6.2, 7 being NT 6.1. It is improved some, uglied up some, and has tablet bits it tries to shove down your throat.

In general I would say don't worry about it. If you've a reason to get it or a system comes with it, it'll work fine. You'll want to get a start menu replacer but it'll be fine after that. However I wouldn't rush out and upgrade. 7 works fine and 8 really does have an ugly UI.

Re:Not really (4, Interesting)

Cinder6 (894572) | about 2 years ago | (#41768377)

For myself, I actually vastly prefer the new start screen over the old menu. It's more customizable, with more space for icons, and has a much faster and more intuitive universal search feature than Windows 7. It's enough for me to be willing to pay $39 for an upgrade. On the other hand, Metro is dumb on a desktop monitor, but at least you aren't forced to use it--for now. I'm worried that new apps will come out that will use Metro and only Metro. I like using the newest version of things in general, but that alone would be reason enough not to upgrade in that hypothetical case.

it has better multi core use and other under the h (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 2 years ago | (#41767965)

it has better multi core use and other under the hood speed ups.

To bad it's build for touch and smaller screen laptops / tables.

And desktop mode needs to have a start menu and be able to run metro apps in a window.

Re:Why? (3, Interesting)

perpenso (1613749) | about 2 years ago | (#41768041)

Am I missing something?

Given that people general prefer Windows because they already know how to use it and their existing software already runs on it ... I'm no so sure that this "re-imagining windows" idea is such a good idea.

Then again ... Microsoft may be doing something smart, avoiding a trap that many large established companies fall in to. Large established companies tend to innovate less and more commonly merely offer what customers ask for and/or incremental improvements. This has historically allowed small innovative companies to come in with radically different things and get a foothold in the market, maybe even disrupt the market.

Plus, isn't there an option to switch the UI to Windows 7 style? If so then the risk to Microsoft may be somewhat low. IF it is true that Windows 8 uses less memory and runs fewer processes/services then maybe a switch would be a good idea even when switching to the Windows 7 style interface.

Re:Why? (1)

jader3rd (2222716) | about 2 years ago | (#41768401)

Plus, isn't there an option to switch the UI to Windows 7 style?

That depends on how stringent you want to be with the definition of style. There's no option to revert to a full Win 7 experience, but it's similar enough that anyone whose upset about the delta will get over it once they realize there's no more point in them expending energy to be upset about it anymore. On all Win 8 computer the primary "app" is the desktop. The desktop does look a little different (no rounded corners, no glass, Ribbon in Explorer), but for all intents and purposes it functions identically.

Re:Why? (1)

Bigbutt (65939) | about 2 years ago | (#41768449)

Last I heard, no option to switch to a different UI outside of a third party.


Re:Why? (3, Informative)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#41768047)

I've yet to see a single compelling reason to move to Windows 8 for desktop/laptop.

There probably isn't a single "killer feature" that can get you to move, but rarely is there ever such a thing. I use Windows 8 on my laptop and desktop, and find myself in desktop mode 99% of the time.I personally don't mind the metro interface, I actually like some of the apps, and I especially don't miss the start menu (never used it in Windows 7 TBH).

However, there are various niceities I enjoy in Windows 8 including the multi-monitor improvements, fast boot time (~8 seconds on my Desktop), explorer enhancements (thank god the up directory button is back), vastly improved task manager (especially love the detailed performance graphs and startup options right there, instead of in msconfig.exe), improved copy dialogue, etc.

On the other hand, you can get many of the improvements by bolting add-ons to Windows 7, I suppose. They probably won't be as nicely integrated, but they will work. At any rate, I'm happy with Windows 8 on my laptop, tablet, and desktop. I don't find the Metro interface any less usable with a mouse and keyboard, especially with the plethora of shortcuts for each.

Re:Why? (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 years ago | (#41768399)

However, there are various niceities I enjoy in Windows 8 including the multi-monitor improvements

I've heard that phrase several times, but I don't think I've seen anyone explain just what these "multi-monitor improvements" are; for example, my Win7 box handles multiple monitors just fine.

Care to elaborate?

Re:Why? (1)

jader3rd (2222716) | about 2 years ago | (#41768489)

thank god the up directory button is back

What's the great about the up button? I find it annoying and something that takes up screen real estate?

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768661)

Your post takes up screen real estate.

Re:Why? (1)

jader3rd (2222716) | about 2 years ago | (#41768313)

Looks like a usability step backwards from Windows 7 to me. Am I missing something?

Perhaps looks can be deceiving...

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768485)

This is also the dilemma for me. I really can't see any compelling reason to upgrade. The metro style interface looks... kinda ok? But not on the PC really. I mean I have that usual -- oh well might as well upgrade to the latest stuff -- feeling, but because Win7 works just fine, it feels not very compelling.

Re:Why? (1)

Endlisnis (208453) | about 2 years ago | (#41768573)

Why are you running Win7? I'm running XP at home and I don't see any reasons for me to upgrade. I don't have any disks >2T, I don't have an SSD, and I don't have more than 4G of RAM. Most home users don't need Win7. They'd be happy with XP. They will upgrade for the same reason you are running Win7: because it probably shipped on your new computer.

Re:Why? (1)

jj00 (599158) | about 2 years ago | (#41768587)

I feel I'm in the same boat as you (home/work Windows user, tablet owner), but I do feel there is a need to go this direction:

- There are some dedicated apps for tablets I often wish I had on my laptop. It wouldn't be hard to get these apps on Windows, there is just a lack of a built-in app store model to make it easy. Plus making app install/uninstall easier on a computer is a good thing (not sure if this will be the case).
- When using my tablet at home I often finding myself wishing I had a keyboard, and I almost always end up reaching for our 13" laptop to get stuff done.

The way the media portrays these things, you'd think there isn't any room for a device that has the best of both laptop and tablet worlds, but I'm a believer. Maybe not with this version though, maybe Win8 SP1 or Win9?


Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41767737)

Probably the most snubbed OS launch ever.

This isn't news! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41767743)

Shills now own slashdot.

Re:This isn't news! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768117)

Shills now own slashdot.

That isn't news either.

Re:This isn't news! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768605)

Well played.

whoopty shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41767745)

more failure for the dollar. That's the m-soft way.

Comments Summary (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41767751)

something something linux something something it works for me something something micro$oft tax something something free beer something something

Re:Comments Summary (1)

Tokolosh (1256448) | about 2 years ago | (#41768003)

something car analogy something godwin something ron paul something bitcoin something apple fanboi

Re:Comments Summary (1)

SuperMooCow (2739821) | about 2 years ago | (#41768383)

You forgot about the Microsoft, OSS, Raspberry Pi and Arduino fanboys.

Re:Comments Summary (1)

dstyle5 (702493) | about 2 years ago | (#41768025)

... Profit!

Re:Comments Summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768635)

And as the icing of the cake, all the comments that point how every another release of Windows is good and the another one bad.

If I don't like 8 (3, Interesting)

suprcvic (684521) | about 2 years ago | (#41767767)

Can I reinstall 7 or does upgrading invalidate my Windows 7 key?

Re:If I don't like 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41767895)

Can I reinstall 7 or does upgrading invalidate my Windows 7 key?

if you use desktop virtualization (Oracle VirtualBox) and download the Windows 8 Preview like the method listed here you will be able to install it and look it over before wiping out your current Windows 7 operating system.

Re:If I don't like 8 (1)

rvw (755107) | about 2 years ago | (#41768081)

Can I reinstall 7 or does upgrading invalidate my Windows 7 key?

If 8 fails, you get Windows , and that is an endless loop. Be warned!

Re:If I don't like 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768099)

I emailed MS that exact same question. "The Key for the base OS is still valid if you uninstall Windows 8 - it just cannot be used elsewhere while Win8 is installed as an upgrade."

Though I have no clue how they'll be able to tell when you're done using Windows 8.

Re:If I don't like 8 (1)

couchslug (175151) | about 2 years ago | (#41768237)

One might download a factory ISO then use an activator with an OEM serial list.

It's faster than a conventional activation and doesn't require connection to the internet.

Well huzzah, huzzah! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41767771)

I'll just throw back my legs and pollute my britches with delight!

not a shill (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41767797)

I'm using Win8 & I think it's great.

Why is it that all these Linux Shills come on here and bitch about Microsoft shils, trust me- no one in Redmond gives a shit about this website or convincing a bunch of anti-social freaks to use their OS or products,what an ego ppl must have to make such statements.

Re:not a shill (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41767853)

Well, it sounds dubious. You say you are not a "bought" voice, but somehow you know "trust me- no one in Redmond gives a shit about this website". So can you tell me why you bothered to show up? Or where you take your "inside" knowledge from.

Re:not a shill (1)

wed128 (722152) | about 2 years ago | (#41767875)

Relax. People here aren't excited by windows 8 because they are already dreading the calls they'll get from their friends and family asking where the damn start button is.

I haven't used windows for still haunts me because i'm too polite to blow off everyone who asks me a computer question.

Re:not a shill (1)

0123456 (636235) | about 2 years ago | (#41768659)

No, no, Windows 8 is brilliant. Now when people ask for help on their Windows machines I'll be able to say 'sorry, don't know how to do it' and mutter something about massive UI changes if they ask why.

Re:not a shill (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768171)

trust me- Microsoft employees and Microsoft marketing do care about negative comments about Windows8 and Metro on dumb tech news sites. It's their mission to preach the Microsoft gospel.

Dear Windows 7 users. (2, Funny)

Severus Snape (2376318) | about 2 years ago | (#41767861)

The wall is a little steep, I'm sure you can all make it though. The grass is greener on the other side, honest.

Re:Dear Windows 7 users. (2)

fabioalcor (1663783) | about 2 years ago | (#41768011)

The wall is a little steep, I'm sure you can all make it though. The grass is greener on the other side, honest.

Someone who betrays Dumbledore do not deserve my trust.

Re:Dear Windows 7 users. (1)

Noughmad (1044096) | about 2 years ago | (#41768491)

Snape never betrayed Dumbledore. Yes, I've heard there are people wrong on the internet, but not on Slashdot!

Re:Dear Windows 7 users. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768021)

Dear windows 8 user,

I already have a mobile phone, I don't need one on my desktop. Honest.

Re:Dear Windows 7 users. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768427)

Thanks Steve, but I still remember when you threw the chair, and therefore I don't trust you.

Re:Dear Windows 7 users. (1)

SuperMooCow (2739821) | about 2 years ago | (#41768429)

For a lot of people, there won't be any green grass on the other side because the learning curve is too steep and they'll switch to Mac.

Or even just an iPad. If all you do is email, instant messaging and Facebook, why the hell would you need a full-fledged OS anyway?

Already? (2)

MeNeXT (200840) | about 2 years ago | (#41767873)

Wow! What a surprise. up until yesterday there was absolutely no mention of this Windows 8 version that you are talking about. Who would have thought that Microsoft would develop a whole OS so secretly.

Do we need to keep this up. Let it come out already and see. This has been in the news for sooooo long now that it's probably going to be overshadowed by Windows 9 on Monday.

Windows 8 is the best system ever (2)

concealment (2447304) | about 2 years ago | (#41767883)

...for running Linux in a virtual machine.

At this point my setup depends heavily on virtualization.

I need to run the desktop software for which Windows is famous, and prefer the Windows "everything has a device driver" model to fiddling with configuration files.

But when it comes to getting stuff done, it's time to drop into the virtual machine where everything is configured as I'm used to, and I have all the tools built-in that I need to get the job done.

Microsoft could perhaps sway me by making SSH, an advanced command parser, etc. available for Windows, but for now I just delegate that to Linux, although "technically" my home OS is Windows.

Did you hear that, Redmond? * shakes floppy at empty sky *

Re:Windows 8 is the best system ever (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41767969)

Ever heard of Cygwin [] ? Or better yet, Cygwin/X [] ? ;)

Re:Windows 8 is the best system ever (1)

eyegor (148503) | about 2 years ago | (#41768107)

Cygwin is an improvement, but still uses the braindead windohs pipes. Real *nix is vastly preferable for people who want/need it.

Re:Windows 8 is the best system ever (2)

wed128 (722152) | about 2 years ago | (#41767977)

They don't really care about your use case. they got your dollar.

Re:Windows 8 is the best system ever (3, Informative)

VGPowerlord (621254) | about 2 years ago | (#41768229)

Microsoft could perhaps sway me by making ... an advanced command parser... available for Windows

Wasn't that the entire point of PowerShell? Granted, I've never used it...

No start menu = No buy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41767927)

Give me back my start menu then I will think about it, and no giving me the run around by saying to use some 3rd party shit to get it back.

Memory limits (1)

eddy (18759) | about 2 years ago | (#41767967)

Presumably this means they've announced the memory limits for Windows 8 somewhere? Windows 7 limits [] .

Sort of important if you want to know which version to get. I assume they're still segmenting.

Re:Memory limits (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768687)

Windows 8 Client OS
Windows 8: 128GB RAM
Windows 8 Professional, Enterprise: 512GB RAM
Windows Server 2012:
Server Standard, Datacenter, Server Storage Standard, MultiPoint Premium, Server HyperCore: 4TB RAM
Server Storage Workgroup, Server MultiPoint Standard, Server Win Foundation: 32GB RAM
Windows 8 Essentials Server Soultion: 64GB RAM

Metro rocks! (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 2 years ago | (#41768023)

And all is good with a light from heaven shining down on the surface. Angelic music is heard as a golden crown above Steves head as he flies around with angelic wings.

If you happen to disagree? Bah you are just a middle aged old man who hates change!

Re:Metro rocks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768035)

I have literally been shitting gold bullion all day since Microsoft announced this release.

Using it for a while now (0)

certain death (947081) | about 2 years ago | (#41768031)

I am a very open minded person when it comes to what OS I use, I personally have machines running OS X, Linux (a couple of flavors), Windows 7 and WIndows 8. Everytime I pick up the laptop (A Dell E6510) that used to be my favorite, I end up shutting it down and going for the one with either Windows 7 or Linux on it. I spent 3 hours trying to figure out how to add a second email account to the wonderful email app, only to find out that it doesn't like my Exim mail server for some reason. I will be putting Windows 7 back on the machine as soon as I have some time.

Re:Using it for a while now (1)

jader3rd (2222716) | about 2 years ago | (#41768529)

You couldn't download your preferred email client? Nothing's forcing you to use the crap that's built in.

Gamrz H8n 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768115)

See, windoz 8 my ballz!!! “Balls”- is the logical computer game, created as office-game. It's the game with good graphic and pleasant becalming music. No go on 8. No profit!

Download an upgrade? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768123)

I think you meant to say "download a downgrade".

I've seen it and am NOT impressed. No start button, just a messy desktop.

I don't want my PC to work like a tablet. If I want a tablet, I'll buy a tablet, thank you.

Re:Download an upgrade? (1)

SuperMooCow (2739821) | about 2 years ago | (#41768367)

I don't get this obsession with the start button. Mac OS X doesn't have a start button, Linux doesn't have a start button, the Atari ST didn't have one nor did the Amiga.

Are you so afraid of change that you're willing to stick with an older OS just because of the start button? That thing that says "Start" that you must click on to *shut down* the computer?

Requires new drivers (4, Insightful)

JBMcB (73720) | about 2 years ago | (#41768153)

Looks like hardware drivers are being updated for Windows 8 support (WDDM 1.2 / DXGI 1.2 / etc). This means, even if you really want to upgrade, wait at least a few months. All the problems I had (and most people I know) going from XP to 7 were driver related. New driver models = new drivers = buggy drivers = unstable machine = let someone else be the beta tester.

RAM use? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768197)

I recently installed a standard Debian/testing + xfce setup on my laptop. To my surprise, it idles at 80 megabytes of RAM usage. Yes, ** eighty megabytes **, leaving the rest for applications, buffers, and cache.

I'd never try to install Windows8 on this few years old hardware, but if I put it on my new i7 Workstation at work, how much RAM does it idle at? Will it swap on a 2GB machine once the webbrowser has a few tabs open, the graphics package is running, and an office app is open in the background?

(no kidding, modern desktop that idles at * eighty megabytes *)

Doh.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768207)


Linux Still Beats Windows (0)

ilikenwf (1139495) | about 2 years ago | (#41768225)

Aside from having to use a Windows VM on top of Linux for the odd program, there's not any real good reason non-technical people couldn't use Chakra, Debian stable or Suse. All are friendly and aren't nearly as crap-laden as Ubunturd or Mint. There is a free alternative to nearly every Windows app out there, steam is coming, and on top of it all Wine can run most windows apps anyway. There are fewer virii, fewer attack vectors, and the best thing is that it is completely free.

In general, everything Windows can do, Linux can do better, and has likely been doing it longer than Windows. It's also lighter weight, is much better at managing memory and processor it on your low powered RasPi, your corporate or internet server, and on your giant cluster. When's the last time you heard of anyone running a supercomputer with Windows Server as the OS of choice?

Finally, I'm sick of the Microsoft ad stories and shills. Bugger off!

Re:Linux Still Beats Windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768559)

>In general, everything Windows can do, Linux can do better, and has likely been doing it longer than Windows.

You just keep thinking that. That arrogance is what will keep Linux off the desktop. Linux does NOT do everything Windows does better. Linux does some things better, Windows does others better. Windows 7 is a hell of a great OS.

First two are done. (1)

JamesTRexx (675890) | about 2 years ago | (#41768235)

Already had the first two laptops with 8 this week, and both of them got the ClassicShell treatment after realising the amount of support calls we'd get if the users get their hands on the new interface.

Give me windows 7 for forty bucks (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#41768259)

Sell me Windows 7 for forty bucks instead, and you've got a deal.

Why would I want Windows 8?

BOOOOO!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768279)

This OS is bad, and Microsoft should feel bad!

Place your bets (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768283)

Place your bets on MSFT stock price after the first earnings with this turkey. Fiscal cliff likely to cause problems and a skip-it release in the wild? I would not want to be holding their stock the next few months. Side bet on a CEO change.

How will Microsoft respond to its users? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768287)

Microsoft is in a position for a real customer relations problem here.

You see, Microsoft felt that the complaints about Vista were due to bad OEM practices--bad drivers, inadequate hardware, etc, and that the bad first impressions from things that weren't their fault were coloring user perception. They demonstrated this belief with their "Project Mojave"--see, Vista, isn't that bad when running on good hardware with good drivers! And although they weren't ultimately able to salvage Vista's reputation, their view on Vista was more-or-less vindicated with Windows 7, which was not very different from Vista--except that it had good, stable drivers right out of the gate, and that the intervening time had aged some really slow hardware out of the production channels. And Windows 7 is a big hit. So Microsoft's lesson from Vista/Win7 was: the Microsoft path is the correct path, consumers will love us, and if they don't, someone other than us is screwing it up.

And now comes Windows 8, and people are complaining about the UI, particularly on non-touch devices. Microsoft's response so far is a bad sign: people just need to get used to the new UI, and it's easy to learn. That presents a disconnect with the actual complaints: the complainers HAVE gotten used to the new UI, and they DID find it easy to learn--they just think it's not a very good UI, particularly for non-touch devices. So I fear it could take a long time for Microsoft to actually comprehend the complaints about Windows 8, let alone respond to them.

To paraphrase Tony Orlando speaking of Bob Hope... (1)

Cornwallis (1188489) | about 2 years ago | (#41768325)

If you took all of the smiles Windows created and laid them end to end, they would reach all the way to the galaxy and fill up the black hole in space.

Why Win8? Let me explain... (4, Interesting)

Toreo asesino (951231) | about 2 years ago | (#41768343)

I'll get this in before the hundreds of "omg don't want" posts. Windows 8 is significantly different from previous versions, not just for the interface which takes some initial getting used to (although many, predictably, end up warming to it - [] ).

Nope, this Windows is the first release that presumes/pre-empts that you, the user, will do your computing across multiple devices and that you don't want to have to worry about your data & user experience being tied to any one device.

Want to see it in action? Log into Win8 with an MS account on any machine - your apps, data, settings, everything will magically appear (assuming you've allowed it) even if the machine has never heard of you before (and again, assuming this isn't locked down). Load Office 2013 - again, your files & data appear as if you created them on that very machine, all completely seamlessly. All the apps & social integration stuff also follows you wherever you go - the idea being you wouldn't know you were on a new/different device - again all seamlessly streamed from whatever sources of social networking you have setup. That's huge; it effectively eliminates the concept of local file-systems for user data. Everything is transparently in the cloud and just works, as it should be. This is the first Windows to be built from day 0 on this basis.

Now, for people that don't like metro because they don't have touch? The answer is simple - don't use metro-style apps if you don't like them. Your old desktop works just as well (although it doesn't have the same level of cloud syncing) and all the apps you had on Win7 will work just the same way. If a killer game/app comes out in metro-style, guess what, you have the option to run that too. It would be like Mac OS users being able to natively load iOS apps if they wanted - the choice to be able to is good.

Not to mention the benefits for developers having a single & consistent API set to target every form-factor from multi-CPU gaming monster to WinRT/ARM tablet, and that's before we mention WP8 being as it is the same kernel. That's a benefit for users too; pick up any modern MS powered device from Xbox to tablet to desktop PC and the user will be in a familiar UI.

Also, keyboard shortcuts make up for any lack of touch. WinKey + X brings up the power-user menu; WinKey + C brings up the right-swipe bar; there's absolutely loads to help mouse/keyboard users feel at home, but there is a learning curve and from what I've seen from feedback, this is the most objectionable thing. People don't like change; bears have also been know to take dumps in the woods, life goes on.

Are you happy on Win7? Good for you; if you are on Win7 & have no other devices or intention of sharing data on anything but your trusty desktop, then frankly the benefits of Win8 are lesser.. There's a new & vastly improved task manager; Win8 is faster in almost all metrics, and there are some nice desktop GUI enhancements that you'd likely appreciate, however the face of IT is changing to one where it will be rare to have just the one computer, and Windows 8 has that front & center of the design.

One day your average IT worker will find the idea of saving personal data directly to a device actually most amusing I suspect, and the shift in thinking has already started.

There you go; that's my take on the best of Win8. I don't expect many here to appreciate it as I do but there's some real benefits in Win8, despite that being an unpopular opinion in the group-think echo chamber that Slashdot can be sometimes. Now lets return to the flaming.

Re:Why Win8? Let me explain... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768547)'re saying it magically syncs data and apps across various devices? Like CromeOS or Android or iOS? Not really new stuff; people have been doing that for quite a while now.

Re:Why Win8? Let me explain... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768601)

That sounds awful cloudy to me.
Smells more like a miasma.

Launch event (1)

ZeroSerenity (923363) | about 2 years ago | (#41768417)

Says it releases at 11:15PM tonight in NYC, so it's not quite out yet. Me personally? I am converting two machines from Vista to 8. I couldn't justify the price of $400 for upgrades (Two copies at $200 each for OEM) to 7 for the rigs, but when I heard about the $40 upgrade path I was a bit giddy for getting rid of Vista. In hindsight Vista isn't bad, but it's being abandoned in the dust in favor of 7. So yeah. One laptop with minimum requirements and one four year old desktop are getting some new paint tonight.

I'll wait for SP1... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768487)

...after they remove all of the Metro (not that there's anything wrong with that) nonsense...

I'm OK with losing the Start Menu (1)

BLToday (1777712) | about 2 years ago | (#41768499)

What I'm not OK with is a tablet interface forced on desktop users. Why can't desktop users have the option to default to well... Desktop mode. I would say 90% of my program launching activities is done from the task bar, so no big lost for me if there's no Start Menu.

Will they continue selling Windows 7? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41768591)

Just out of curiosity will they still continue selling Windows 7?

I have heard some new PCs will come with "downgrade" rights. And back in the Vista days XP CDs could often be found, although usually at a higher price.

But will it still be possible to purchase, for example the full Windows 7 ultimate retail without resorting to eBay?

If I need to put together a new machine in the near future, I would rather not have that messed up Windows 8 UI in my way - underneath the hood improvements be damned.

Re:Will they continue selling Windows 7? (3, Informative)

0123456 (636235) | about 2 years ago | (#41768677)

I'm guessing they'll kill Windows 7 ASAP. That's why I just bought the parts to build a new gaming PC, which should last me until at least Windows 9, if not 10.

Assuming Microsoft is still around by that point.

Oh the humanity!!!! (1)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | about 2 years ago | (#41768711)

And so begins another era of nerds lamenting change!!!!!

Load More Comments
Slashdot Login

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?