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Feds Continue To Consider Linux Users Criminals For Watching DVDs

Unknown Lamer posted about a year and a half ago | from the don't-watch-that-movie-you-paid-for dept.

DRM 423

An anonymous reader sent in a link to an article in Wired about the latest DMCA loophole hearing. Bad news: the federal government rejected requests that would make console modding and breaking DRM on DVDs to watch them legal. So, you dirty GNU/Linux hippies using libdvdcss better watch out: "Librarian of Congress James Billington and Register of Copyrights Maria Pallante rejected the two most-sought-after items on the docket, game-console modding and DVD cracking for personal use and 'space shifting.' Congress plays no role in the outcome. The regulators said that the controls were necessary to prevent software piracy and differentiated gaming consoles from smart phones, which legally can be jailbroken. ... On the plus side, the regulators re-authorized jailbreaking of mobile phones. On the downside, they denied it for tablets, saying an 'ebook reading device might be considered a tablet, as might a handheld video game device.'" So you can jailbreak a phone, but if it's 1" larger and considered a "tablet" you are breaking the law.

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They told me... (5, Insightful)

AntiBasic (83586) | about a year and a half ago | (#41771921)

They told me if I voted for McCain, we'd see a technology incompetent administration increasingly beholden to media conglomerates... and they were right.

Re:They told me... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41771927)

I'm not wearing any undies right now. I'm 100% bootynude, in fact.

Re:They told me... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772041)

Hey guys, America's new emperor is here!

But seriously, what's a Linux article doing on Slashdot? This is a Microsoft and Apple site now. We don't need any distractions from our marketing messages.

Re:They told me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41771949)

'They' are always right.

ding! ding! ding! ding! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41771989)

post of the year!

there needs to be a top 20/100/etc list every december...

Re:They told me... (5, Informative)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | about a year and a half ago | (#41771991)

That's cute but... The Register of Copyrights is appointed by the Librarian of Congress. James Billington was appointed by Reagan.

Re:They told me... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772133)

But things aren't as simple as that and you know it. But I guess if you want to be a partisan bitch and suck up to an administration that is going to fuck you as hard as it can if it gets a second term....

Re:They told me... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772197)

But things aren't as simple as THAT and you know it. But I guess if you want to post hyperbole as an AC, you may well be better served by... oh cool, we don't have to finish sentences around here!

Re:They told me... (5, Insightful)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772657)

I believe the OP was trying to make the point that there's no fucking difference between Republicans and Democrats, their all beholden to their political sponsors, and he was completely correct in that. You, on the other hand, are trying to defend your party of choice by bringing up some obscure appointment that happened 30 years ago, as if the current administrations hands were tied and they could do nothing to stop it... when you know for a fact that's not the case. Keep towing that party line and the next thing you know we'll all be monitored 24/7 by our government overlords and the president will be able to order US citizens deaths without so much as a pen stroke... oh wait... fuck... Good job buddy. Hope your children enjoy the world you made them.

Re:They told me... (3, Insightful)

Penguinisto (415985) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772435)

I'd just like to tell them to consider this [alachuapolitix.com] while they're at it.

Since when is the mere act of possessing or using free software on a strictly local basis a fucking crime, anyway?

12 days til we toss out the Bush Administration (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41771933)

I'm sure hoping for some good changes.

Re:12 days til we toss out the Bush Administration (5, Insightful)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772077)

It doesn't matter who's nominally in charge. The puppets dance to the tune of the hands controlling the strings.

Re:12 days til we toss out the Bush Administration (3, Insightful)

scottbomb (1290580) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772337)

The same excuse we always get. If Bush were still in charge, the /. readers would be cursing him. But since it's your guy, it's the lame "well they're ALL corrupt".

Re:12 days til we toss out the Bush Administration (5, Funny)

SolitaryMan (538416) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772389)

Bush wasn't just corrupt, he was stupid as hell.

Re:12 days til we toss out the Bush Administration (3, Insightful)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772517)

He missed his real calling as a standup comedian.

Re:12 days til we toss out the Bush Administration (3, Informative)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772501)

My guy didn't make it dummy. Nowhere do I see Ron Paul's name on any ballot. Just because I'm not a fan of Romney doesn't make me an Obama supporter. I will say that Bush and Obama make me miss Clinton where the biggest concern was which ugly slut he was banging this week.

Re:12 days til we toss out the Bush Administration (4, Insightful)

crontabminusell (995652) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772681)

The same excuse we always get. If Bush were still in charge, the /. readers would be cursing him. But since it's your guy, it's the lame "well they're ALL corrupt".

I don't remember where I first heard it, and I'm pretty sure I'm not saying it correctly, but "Politicians are like litter boxes - they need frequent changing, and for the same reasons." Similar sentiment.

Re:12 days til we toss out the Bush Administration (1)

lightknight (213164) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772631)

Then perhaps we need a second set of hands, to occupy the first set?

Breaking the law. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41771945)

if it's 1" larger and considered a "tablet" you are breaking the law.

If it is considered a "tablet" you probably have more to worry about the breaking the law.

the govt does not have any room to talk (4, Insightful)

FudRucker (866063) | about a year and a half ago | (#41771953)

considering the freight train load of criminal activity they perpetrate every fucking day of the year for decades. and just recently what comes to mind is smuggling guns to mexico, drones murdering innocent bystanders in their lame attempt at killing militants & terrorists, bailing out banks after they criminally squandered billions of dollars, and that is just a few recent things, the list could be made so big that even /. wont let it be posted

Re:the govt does not have any room to talk (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772051)

Don't forget calling the first killed ambassador since 1979, "not optimal" and a "bump in the road", while lying to the American people about it for weeks on end even with a speech to the UN general assembly to lie about it some more.

Re:the govt does not have any room to talk (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772195)

You should try and change your news source. You seem to be misinformed

Re:the govt does not have any room to talk (3, Funny)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772365)

Please drop it Gov Romney, nobody believes you. and shouldn't you be out trying to get votes instead of trolling?

Re:the govt does not have any room to talk (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772431)

Sigh, I remember when it used to be that stories about watching DVDs on Linux would get hijacked by anti-Bush fanatics. Drones are the new Bush I guess.

Government Mafia (1, Insightful)

roman_mir (125474) | about a year and a half ago | (#41771959)

Of-course this is nothing else but government Mafia, which works with the industry and protects that industry and expects serious kickbacks, there is no other way to understand this but corruption.

All government involvement into business activity is corruption, there are no exceptions. Protectionism, special considerations for some businesses and not for others, special taxes for some businesses and not for others, special licensing deals, special relations with the Federal reserve, Treasury, special relationships with the departments, regulators, FBI, Congress, Senate, SCOTUS, POTUS, all of it.

All government intervention in business activity is corruption.

duh (2, Insightful)

masternerdguy (2468142) | about a year and a half ago | (#41771967)

To be fair, it IS illegal to play a dvd on an unlicensed system because, well quite frankly, liddvdcss never paid the license fee and reverse engineered the rather crappy css encryption. I know that isn't what slashdot wants to hear, but the FBI is there to enforce these kinds of laws, and this IS illegal.

Re:duh (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772017)

What unlicensed system?
Everybody who's playing DVDs on Linux already has a license, because they have a licensed DVD player in the computer, and already paid the Microsoft tax.
The patent holders can't ask for more than that.

Re:duh (4, Insightful)

xmundt (415364) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772023)

Greetings and Salutations;
          America, alas, has WAY too many laws. I think this is a side effect of the recent foolishness that has defined a corporation as a "person", and, the unregulated ability of lobbyists for the industry to flood the government with cash to get laws which hurt the consumer and help business passed. I certainly agree that artists should be compensated for their output - after all, their creativity is exactly what we are paying them FOR. However, the only profitable part of the recording industry is to produce content.
          Perhaps the best course of action would be for a groundswell of support by consumers to get the law repealed is the correct answer here.
          pleasant dreams
          dave mundt

Re:duh (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772025)

To be precise, it IS illegal to play a dvd on an unlicensed system because, well quite frankly, liddvdcss never paid the license fee and reverse engineered the rather crappy css encryption.

I know that isn't what slashdot wants to hear, but the FBI is there to enforce these kinds of laws, and this IS illegal.

FTFY. There is nothing "fair" about the situation. Legality and ethics are orthogonal scales, as this clearly illustrates.

Re:duh (3, Interesting)

Selivanow (82869) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772039)

I don't see any properly licensed dvd software being offered for sale for linux systems. Seems like it is a market that needs to be filled.

Re:duh (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772087)

There is... Fluendo DVD Player, made by the same guys behind GStreamer, the same media framework used by GNOME.

Re:duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772113)

I guess not for sale anymore as apparently there was no demand.

http://www.cyberlink.com/eng/press_room/view_1849.html [cyberlink.com]

Re:duh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772127)

Of course not, the GNUTards take free things whenever possible even if it is illegal,

Re:duh (2)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772539)

maybe if the alternative weren't broken by design or performed as well as the free and legal everywhere else in th fucking world but the USA, (where we have the media cartels buying laws in bulk by paying senators with cushy high pay jobs after they kill their political career to f us over even harder [cough cough Chris SOPA Dodd cough].)

Re:duh (1)

Firehed (942385) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772245)

Sure, but that doesn't mean someone legally allowed to fill the market must do so. There's a huge market for $1000 Ferraris, but you don't see them rushing to fill it.

Re:duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772363)

Worst is the Windows software that uses the same code as vlc and mplayer (ffmpeg) but its commercial (I doubt they paid the licenses either.) People like Ashampoo and the multitude of other makers of spammy cheap multimedia software.

Re:duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772311)

Yeah there is you can get it from fluendo :

http://www.fluendo.com/shop/product/fluendo-dvd-player/

There is also

PowerDVD for Linux

Re:duh (4, Insightful)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772085)

What license? Why do you need a license to write your own code? Reverse engineering has always been legal. Or are you talking about patent violations? I agree it is not legal in the US to violate patents, and we could be sued for it. It is not criminal though, and not really FBI's job to go after civil disputes.
 
And FYI, the article is about breaking DRM, not about patents or copyright. Breaking DRM is criminal. But there are exceptions like jail breaking your own phone (god, I am repeating the summary). The question is why is there no exception for breaking DRM to simply watch the content you legally own? These two sound pretty similar to me.

Re:duh (4, Interesting)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772089)

I think the point of the post was more about the clueless decisions made by an 83 year old and his equally clueless appointee. In fact there's no mention of the FBI enforcing the law against open-source software users of DeCSS or libdvdcss. To date I never heard of them ever doing so.

Re:duh (4, Insightful)

future assassin (639396) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772091)

this IS illegal.

In the eyes of the gov yes, in the eyes of joe citizen consumer who paid for their media and who thinks its beyond rediculious no to be able to play a dvd movie on a dvd drive in a computer with out breaking a law or watch that same dvd on other devices by extracting the information into another format its not. I'm one of them and I could care less about insane laws that make criminals out of citizens that want to use THEIR OWN PAID FOR PROPERTY as they wish in their own home/residence.

Re:duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772455)

That's the problem with physical media - it makes consumers think they own stuff!

Once digital distribution and properly written licenses completely replace physical media, a lot of the problems associated with consumers thinking they actually own anything will disappear.

Re:duh (4, Insightful)

Nationless (2123580) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772457)

That's not how LAWS work.

If the government has declared something illegal you just can't use "But sir, I don't agree with said law" and walk away from the crime without any consequences.

Is the government wrong? Probably, but you should focus on changing the government to change the laws rather than just breaking the law and hoping for the best.

Re:duh (4, Insightful)

amorsen (7485) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772593)

Is the government wrong? Probably, but you should focus on changing the government to change the laws rather than just breaking the law and hoping for the best.

Should you? It is unlikely that you will succeed, copyrights and patents have support from both sides of the spectrum. Right wingers think "people are taking stuff for free" and left wingers think "people are ripping off artists".

Meanwhile, no one is likely to prosecute you for watching a DVD you own. What exactly do you gain from not doing that?

Re:duh (1)

Nationless (2123580) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772689)

In terms of actual gains? None. But you don't gain being right or lawful. Nor do you change the viewpoint of legal system.

Re:duh (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772663)

But the DCMA law allows for exceptions, which is why jailbreaking mobile phones is still legal. What has happened is that some unaccountable-to-the-voter bureacrats have decided that circumventing lameass copy protection just so a user can play his legally owned (or licensed for you copyright pussies) DVD on the device of his choice does not fit the exemption. It's completely arbitrary and only serves the intrest of a monied lobby. As for illegality, there are state laws which ban dancing in public. You might even live in such a state. Do you really think that justice is served by going after such trivial infractions just because a state legislature passed some stupid law years ago while pandering to some group that pushed for it? Stupid laws which are ignored by the majority of citizens leads to the illegitimacy of the whole justice system. Stupid laws which are enforced to draconian lengths (fines for copyright infringment can go up to $150,000 US per infringement) leads to the death of democracy.

Re:duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772139)

To be fair, it IS illegal to play a dvd on an unlicensed system because, well quite frankly, liddvdcss never paid the license fee and reverse engineered the rather crappy css encryption.

I know that isn't what slashdot wants to hear, but the FBI is there to enforce these kinds of laws, and this IS illegal.

You are not understanding the issue here. While what you say is true, the problem is that there is no way for an open source project to obtain a license. For example, who would pay for it? The developers? But they don't (necessarily) make money of the project! And say they did want to get a license, just for the sake of being legal and trying to do a favor for all open source users, they probably would not be able to make a contract because they typically include a royality in % of the software's price. Since that number is $0 for open source software, the basis for the contracts does not exist.

It is only due to these circumstances that it is a necessity for most Linux users to use this "illegal" software called libdvdcss.

Re:duh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772165)

How about getting your open source solution accepted as an industry standard? Oh wait that requires work and politics which no competent CS guy can do....

Re:duh (4, Insightful)

Firehed (942385) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772233)

Yes, that's technically true.

However, that's only illegal because we invented "better" laws to make something that was already illegal (unauthorized distribution of copyrighted material) "more" illegal (breaking the encryption used to prevent the former).

Politicians need to stop rejecting these "we need better tools" lobbyist-created laws and tell them to use the perfectly valid tools they already have in place. I know this will never happen, but wishful thinking. Being illegal - in terms of the letter of the law - is a pretty binary thing. I think content producers should have every right to sue people for distributing their material, but we don't need to give them stuff to make gumming up the legal system with their stuff any easier.

It's like the arguments claiming that it would be legal to drive high if we legalized marijuana: of course it's not - that's both a DUI* and reckless driving. You don't need to add a new law for driving high because it's already illegal under other laws. Distributing copyrighted content that you're not the rights-holder of has been illegal since we introduced copyright, so adding the DMCA** was completely unnecessary.

* There are slight differences between DWI and DUI, and the meaning varies slightly from state to state. Many places are intentionally vague on the meaning of "under the influence" to (rightly) catch non-alcoholic substances that impair one's ability to safely operate a vehicle.

** The law is fundamentally flawed anyway, as it's outlawing a specific implementation of an undesired behavior. It would be like making murder by bludgeoning someone with a lead pipe illegal. Great - I'll just use a knife instead. You're trying to stop the murder, not the misuse of lead pipes. As such, it'll be obsoleted by the next major round of technical advances.

Re:duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772237)

well quite frankly, liddvdcss never paid the license fee and reverse engineered the rather crappy css encryption.

I think a frank explanation is more along the lines of: "Because the people who rule you run a protection racket on information".

Re:duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772263)

Oh for sure. The evil protection racket is why open source video and audio codecs can be freely acquired and all those indy artists will distribute in ogg and flac but hey, evil government keeping information locked away.

Re:duh (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772343)

To be fair everyone in the US is a criminal. There are so many laws on the books that it is impossible to not break the law. How we got here from "That government which governs least....." is incredible. We've got laws upon laws upon laws. Seat belt laws, helmet laws, I mean the government just wants to micromanage every part of our lives. The upshot is that they've gotten so stupid and silly with it that no one gives a shit about the law. It's ridiculous and everyone knows it. I mean really, you buy a physical DVD, pop it in a linux box and watch it and they want to prosecute you? How fucking stupid. Lets attack our customers! And the ignorant fucks wonder why no one respects them.

Re:duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772371)

We might be discussing if it's fair.

Re:duh (1, Funny)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772385)

I thought the FBI was there to catch real criminals and solve real crime, not be the enforcement arm of the corporations.

Re:duh (1)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772571)

Only retards think it is "illegal" to shuffle bits around without permission, i.e. lawyers. It is our civic duty to NOT follow idiotic and asinine laws.

If I paid for the DVD then I have the right to watch it. I don't need permission from a 3rd party that "allows" me a "license" to shuffles bits around (i.e. doing math) just to view content.

The FBI can go fuck themselves; they are not mommy or daddy even though they like to pretend they are.

If anyone thinks they can "own" a number, I have a bridge to sell you.

SNAFU (5, Insightful)

SolitaryMan (538416) | about a year and a half ago | (#41771969)

The law is still fucked up, nothing to see here

'ebook reading device might be considered a tablet, as might a handheld video game device.'"

And if some corporation pays enough, it also might be considered a tractor.

Re:SNAFU (5, Funny)

Dyinobal (1427207) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772015)

Damn I hope they do this because then I can get some agricultural tax breaks and government assistant to subsidize my ever growing ebook collection.

so how locked in will they let pc's get? (2)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#41771981)

so how locked in will they let pc's get?

To the point where they can ban web sites that don't go the way they like as far as being so they can ban all Democrat or Republican web sites and only show the ones that fits there views?

Re:so how locked in will they let pc's get? (2, Insightful)

masternerdguy (2468142) | about a year and a half ago | (#41771999)

No, the point is that a proprietary and completely arbitrarily chosen format such as DVD is NOT open by its very existence! There is nothing natural or prior art about the DVD format and it is one of a myriad of viable ways of storing video. The format isn't even going to exist in 2020 because of the limits on video quality the format has. Instead of crying about not being able to pirate something do what the people who made OGG and Theora did and make a better, open, format.

Re:so how locked in will they let pc's get? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772489)

"Instead of crying about not being able to pirate something"

*sigh*

Of course, it's more about consumers being able to play their DVDs on the DVD player of their choice than it is about pirating. You can pirate just fine without buying a single DVD or DVD player!

But then, it doesn't matter what consumer rights advocates say - corporate apologists will hear only what they want to hear.

Re:so how locked in will they let pc's get? (1)

Microlith (54737) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772175)

As locked down as tablets and game consoles. There was an additional exemption sought outside smartphones and tablets that was also rejected. So unless it's a smartphone, there's no exemption to bypass the security.

This is why the DMCA needs to go.

Re:so how locked in will they let pc's get? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772225)

only on slashdot do we migrate from anti-piracy measures designed to protect the entertainment industry to orwellian censorship and the end of free speech.

Re:so how locked in will they let pc's get? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772299)

Banning all Democrat and Republican websites doesn't sound like such a bad idea right now.

Re:so how locked in will they let pc's get? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772367)

DVD is a ubiquitous proprietary format. Rather than usurping such formats, whining that they are not open and legal to use freely (USA), and complaining that the PC is being locked down, look for what's available in open formats and spead awareness to those who use DVD without thinking. If this seems overkill to you at least accept that you are breaking civil and sometimes criminal laws and that you fully intend to continue to do so. This is not meant as an insult, really; I personally find "law abiding" much more insulting than "criminal" and I don't even live in the great corporatocracy.

Libre O Congress (1)

harvey the nerd (582806) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772033)

Wonder what the Librarian thinks of the French library during the French revolution. It got better, and lousy administrators lost their heads.

So in a few years, (2)

olsmeister (1488789) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772053)

When my phone is as powerful as a PS3 and can connect to my HDTV over HDMI and can connect to my bluetooth wireless controllers, can I unlock it and play games on it?

Re:So in a few years, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772221)

You must have an iPhone 5.

Time to stop supporting them. (4, Insightful)

Fishead (658061) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772055)

It's time to stop buying these game consoles that cannot be hacked and these DVD's they don't want us to watch.

I have resisted setting up the DVD player since we moved (4 months ago) because the restrictions placed on me (Macrovision!) by the manufacturer inconveniences me. If I could buy a DVD without previews that I could have playing within 10 seconds of loading into the drive, I might be interested in spending money, but it just annoys me and I would rather not support an industry that treats their customers this way.

Re:Time to stop supporting them. (2)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772421)

I haven't watched a DVD in over 2 years. I bought a bluray player that I have never watched a movie on. In fact I only own one bluray movie and that's my wife's copy of The Sound of Music which I have bought for her on VCR tape twice, One fullscreen DVD and one widescreen DVD and now on Bluray. It's her favorite movie and she's watched it at least 100 times over the 32 years we've been married. She made me watch it 3 times but that is my limit. I actually liked it okay the first time I watched it.

Re:Time to stop supporting them. (1)

amorsen (7485) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772637)

I don't have a hardware DVD player anymore. XBMC's DVD support is surprisingly abysmal, at least under Linux. It can play about a third of all disks I try.

If is difficult to tell how much of that is caused by the rather non-standard things modern DVD's do to avoid being copied, and how is just caused by no one caring enough to fix the bugs. There are after all much nicer file formats which just provide the actual content and not all those awkward menus and unskippable adverts.

Mystery Babylon (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772057)

Will soon be destroyed and all this shit will be over forever. America has become the most corrupt nation on earth and is screaming for God's judgement.

There, I said it, flame on.

An easy solution (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772059)

Don't watch DVD, download higher quality .mkv from pirate bay instead.

Yay old people! (4, Insightful)

NIK282000 (737852) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772123)

When I was in high school (early 2000's) I used to wonder how they were going to teach lawmakers and enforcers so they could cope with all the new crap that was being made. Were they going to send them all to schools to teach them how networked computers worked or maybe hire a bunch of IT advisors? I was being way too optimistic, its been a decade of incompetent, ignorant, old people making and enforcing laws without an understanding of what they are making laws about. Why is there now law requiring knowledge and education in the field for which you make and enforce laws?

Not so fast (5, Interesting)

macemoneta (154740) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772125)

I've bought a dozen retail DVD players (standalone and PC) over the years, each of which came with a license either in the form of internal firmware or standalone software. I have two DVD drives still in use, both in Linux PCs. I should have plenty of licenses - if that's what they in fact are. The idea that I can hold a dozen licenses and yet not be authorized to play legally obtained content on two surviving drives because someone in the MPAA doesn't like my completely legal operating system is an abomination of logic, reason, and ethics.

Re:Not so fast (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772437)

I think abomination of logic, reason and ethics is the definition of government nowadays.

Re:Not so fast (2)

retchdog (1319261) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772567)

i am not a lawyer, but i think i'm right on the following. anyone out there who knows better, please correct.

the license is for manufacturers, not users. you don't need a license, and if you had one (you don't, btw; the license isn't bound to the unit) it would be irrelevant unless you were selling dvd players. the license isn't bound to the unit in any meaningful way; it's better to think that the license allowed the unit to be made. further, if the dvd-rom depends on a software player to handle css (which it does, if it came with software), those licenses are probably separate anyway. you don't hold licenses in the sense that you can take the windows software license and move it over to a linux software player.

so far, this isn't so bad, actually. note: you can't (yet) as a user get into trouble. licenses were meant to be for manufacturers.

and that's what makes dmca so horrible. it's a legal hack that takes a civil contract between corporations (philips, sony, et al. license the patents to dvd player manufacturers), and transmutes it into a criminal offense by the user in the following way: only licensed players are "authorized" to decrypt css, non-licensed players are not authorized and therefore, under the dmca, criminal to use. nota bene: a restriction on manufacturing was transmuted into a restriction on use. the worst part about it is, it is impossible to get a use license because they don't exist, and don't even make sense under the current system! thanks to the dmca, your usage of a technology is dependent on a manufacturer to sell it to you (or i guess you can become a manufacturer yourself).

there are (at least?) two fixes: abolish the dmca, or do as you're saying and make the patent licenses fully fungible on the end user level.

Must s**k (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772171)

to live in U$A...

Re:Must s**k (2)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772447)

Nah, it's pretty good actually. As long as stupidity amuses you there's always something to laugh at.

Case mod! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772213)

I guess it's time to case mod my PS/3's into cell phones, so I can finally update the firmware, hack them, and still boot Linux.

Vote For Romney (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772281)

This is Obama's Doing you want some on that will get rid of regulation. Go Romney 2012 although since most pics have hack through the power grid and NSA and India want Obama I wonder who will win.

Re:Vote For Romney (2)

SolitaryMan (538416) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772423)

If Romney wins, please come back here for a $1000 bet that this crap won't change when he's in office.

Re:Vote For Romney (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772477)

I wonder if the fact that Hollyweird is heavily behind President Obama would cause ole Mitt to stick it to the MPAA if he got elected? I'd love to see their massive expenditure of money to get their man back in the oval office for another 4 years blow up in their faces. I think they'd just end up buying Romney though. At least it would hit their wallets for another few hundred million.

What laws? (0)

Corwn of Amber (802933) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772287)

Physics? Math? Reality? No?

They aren't real. They have no bearing on what's real. Items. Things. Bitcoins are more real than their protections. The cracking is necessary to use the things you own. End of story.

Talk about licenses all you want, fuck you for even thinking about it. Instead, consider reality. Reality is that I can build a device that will copy any optical disk bit-by-bit, or even by the half-bit, or more precise if necessary. Then the bits can be sent to a lib that will decode the bit stream into moving pictures.

That is what is technically possible.
So is murder? Murder affects others. Copying culture doesn't.

Why is it more not unethical to break those laws?
Well, would YOU argue that murder is not worse than downloading porn?

That's the exact same reason I'm stoned right now, smoking a joint, and rolling the next. For the reason that it doesn't harm you, and thus is not unethical, period.

If I listen to music without having paid anything, it harms no one.

And I'm still hosting a DJ in my house since he lost his, going out twice a month to raves that pay their DJs and concerts that pay their musicians, buying their albums and uploading them on the 'Net so that YOU can listen to them across half a planet, where the shit isn't sold at all forever so stop complaining and enjoy what I'm doing for you. And the creators.

I am right. Because I do no wrong.

In other words... (1)

Nrrqshrr (1879148) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772295)

The media you paid for isn't owned by you, you just paid a fixed amount for the right to use it for an undetermined period. The media-player you just paid for isn't owned by you either, you have paid a fixed amount for the right to use... blah blah blah. Basicall: spread your legs further for this big corporate d**k, please.

Re:In other words... (2)

iive (721743) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772545)

This is exactly the reason for the existence of the First Sale Doctrine.

Freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772297)

You pay for your DVDs and have the audacity to want to watch them too?

Vote for Gary Johnson (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772395)

Live free

How long until the FBI website is defaced? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772407)

Seriously what is wrong with these fucktards? Why do they go around destroying websites, when they could be destroying actual infrastructure? Last I checked the penalty for putting an RJ-45 plug on the end of an extension cord and plugging one end into a switch and the other into the wall(plain old vandalism) was a lot less than hacking a website just to put a lame picture or statement on it.

america is now officially (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772429)

america is now officially the Britain of America's history...
backwards stool pusher!

how many laws? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772495)

Plenty of comments about how many laws there are and how it's virtually impossible to be a citizen of the US and not be a criminal then questions about how we got here.

I saw a comment on a news channel about the current sitting of the House and Senate and they were rating the performance not by the quality of the laws passed, whether the laws were good, bad or cleaned up already existing problems with existing laws. They simply rated the performance of the current sitting by how many laws they passed and how other sittings had done better by passing more laws.

How idiotic can we get? Simply saying that the current sitting passed more or less laws makes it a successful or unsuccessful sitting is ridiculous.

Ha. the confirmation word was "parsed". It would be interesting to create a legal compiler and feed it the current code to find all the conflicts, dead ends, laws that have no meaning, laws that are inconsistent with basic rights, etc. Put a lot of lawyers out of work but we might end up with a set of laws the common man could understand.

To: James Billington and Maria Pallante (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772515)

Fuck you , fuck congress, fuck the RIAA and fuck the MPAA.

If you think your stupid motherfucking laws are going to keep people from enjoying things they pay for (or don't for that matter) you're a fucking moron.

What this is really about. (4, Interesting)

hackus (159037) | about a year and a half ago | (#41772531)

This has nothing to do with copyright. That is a strawman.

This is really about destroying open computing systems, which is an obstacle to building a police state.

The idea is to lock down, data, and technology and only allow it to be in the hands of anyone who has an approved license.

This means ebooks, technology instruction, mathematics or anything with critical independent thinking which is critical to a free society.

Right now they are testing the waters.

They will never stop until they get either everyone dead, what they want or they themselves are destroyed.

Many of these people are at the point of media control and propaganda, including Ted Turner which is one of the most diabolical globalists I can think of in the areas of information control and dissemination/disinformation and programming.

These people are incredibly arrogant and brag that they think you should be dead, and that watching anything else except Globalist News Channels on T.V. makes you a radical and a terrorist.

They continually enforce the ideas of nullification of anying except communism and fascism with constant messages driving home the fact that you cannot own _anything_ you buy, you are not permitted to use _any_ information unless it is authorized by they themselves.

These people have access to military hardware and advanced weaponry to enforce their brutal tyranny with anything from SWAT teams entering homes to execute any who resist if they are found simply copying or downloading DVD's.

They are incredibly dangerous people and they become more dangerous by the hour.

-Hack

We all live on the Res now - Russel Means (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41772659)

Russell Means: Welcome To The Reservation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LA-S64QY3o

It's long, so make time for it. It explains all about 64 ounce cokes, ban on out door smoking, cannabis crackdown, homeless booby-trapping

You won't listen to a veteran tell you to uphold the constutution
How about a Lakota?

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