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WindRiver Will Not Keep Slackware

timothy posted more than 13 years ago | from the alive-and-kicking-nonetheless dept.

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jolan writes: "Patrick Volkerding posted an announcement saying that Wind River is not planning to keep Slackware after the merger." Patrick writes there: "This isn't going to take out Slackware, though. Development continues," and goes on to say "I'm working on setting up a company so we can handle the publishing ourselves. Unfortunately, I'm broke. I can get funding to publish and ship the release to all the subscribers (and anyone else who wants it), but have no money to pay my fellow friends (which sucks) until we make some." Since Slackware has perhaps the most loyal users of any product (just happens to include Linux distributions), and with a new release upcoming, certain reports of its demise have been greatly exaggerated. Maybe we're about to enter a whole new Slackware era.

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206 comments

Re:Post more articles about VB!!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#284929)

Well said! After programming Visual Basic for Applications in Windows, I never want to go back. It's so much simpler to get things done.

Re:Distribution Evolution (1)

zeda (415) | more than 13 years ago | (#284933)

Damn. I followed the exact same path, except starting from Yggdrassil.

Re:$$$ (2)

Dicky (1327) | more than 13 years ago | (#284942)

Moderate the parent up!
Seriously - I bought a couple of versions of Slackware back in the 3.x days, then went over to RedHat and SuSE for a while, now I'm back on Slackware. Where do I send the money for the 7.x versions I've downloaded, now that it's quicker for me to download than buy? Seriously. I still have a tech job () and I can't think of a Linux/free software/Open Source project which deserves more support. I've got a Slackware penguin sitting on top of my monitor at work, and a t-shirt and snapshot version of Slackware for Sparc - all given to me by various Slackware people. I want to pay for them now that they can't afford to give this stuff away, and I can afford to pay for it.

Re:How much does it cost? (1)

Derek (1525) | more than 13 years ago | (#284943)

Ouch!! I was able to dial in to my university's modem pool so I saved $$ on the phone bill. But I did have a few problems on the install. Two or three times I would get half way through and find out one of my disks was bad. (Back to the download...)

They'll take my CD burner away from me when they pry it from my cold dead hands!!!
-Derek

How much does it cost? (2)

Derek (1525) | more than 13 years ago | (#284944)

How much does it cost to make all those diskettes these days? :-)

When I first installed slackware I spent about $5 on diskettes and I was up all night downloading the disk images. Ahhhh yes, *those* were the days.

Anyway, kudos to Patrick for his fine work and I hope he finds the money so that he can pay those who work hard along side him. (One more reason for a standard internet micropayment system.)
-Derek

Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

Chainsaw (2302) | more than 13 years ago | (#284950)

I do. Two computers at home and one at work runs Slackware 7.1 (patched, of course). The reason it simple: you have full control over your system, and can remove anything you don't like. A file server here doesn't even contain the ls, rm, rmdir etc commands. It serves files, and does it very well. Runs 24/7 without attendance other than installing security patches, and only if it affects the setup in my machines.

Tried Debian, didn't like it. Not sure why. A friend prefers it though, but everyone is free to choose their distro.

Distribution Evolution (3)

Adnans (2862) | more than 13 years ago | (#284951)

- Linux boot / root floppy images (via ftpmail/uucp)
- SLS 1.0 (kernel 0.99.x days)
- Yggdrassil (first usable distro IMHO)
- Slackware 3.0 (ELF!!)
- Slackware 3.1
- Redhat 4.2
- Redhat 5.1
- Redhat 6.0 (They finally convinced me to look for something better)
- Debian 2.2
- Debian Unstable...The Holy Grail

-adnans

Amen, brother! (1)

Glytch (4881) | more than 13 years ago | (#284956)

And I was worried that I was the only control freak left. ;)

Re:So who is using Slackware? (2)

Jeffrey Baker (6191) | more than 13 years ago | (#284960)

I use it, and not for "old times' sake". It is just stable, period. I use it on all my company's servers, and I have used it on the servers of my employers for years. I also use it on my own desktop at work and at home. Slackware is just so easy. I have never had any library version headaches of any kind, whereas with Debian and Red Hat I have. (Example: I can't get consistent libs, headers, and binaries for gnome and gnome-devel on debian testing). I also enjoy the flexibility of having both SysV and BSD init at the same time.

Slackware is also a handy base to start a new ditribution from. At my employers, I simply make new tag files, burn CDs, and I have automatic slack installers. At home, I have created an LDAP-authenticated distribution off Slackware. Again, no headaches, no unstable libraries, no balky compilers.

Re:How much does it cost? (2)

Jeffrey Baker (6191) | more than 13 years ago | (#284961)

Slackware no longer has the floppy-sized directories. Not even for the A series.

Re:So who is using Slackware? (2)

Jeffrey Baker (6191) | more than 13 years ago | (#284962)

Is it possible to install Red Hat without installing X? I tried once, on a Multia, but gave up after 30 minutes of trying. It seems like enabling any package brought in a dependency on X (and/or tcl/tk, WTF?)

Re:How much does it cost? (2)

Jeffrey Baker (6191) | more than 13 years ago | (#284963)

Actually, they will not be back for 7.2. David Cantrell said in this post [slackware.com] that floppy installs are now gone. Also, if you look at -current, there are several packages which are too large for floppies. a1/modules.tgz is 5MB. n1/samba.tgz is 6MB.

Re:Shocker! (1)

Yath (6378) | more than 13 years ago | (#284965)

They don't include the story link [slackware.com] to practice their HTML.

P. Volkerding:

Slackware has always made money (who else producing a commercial distribution can say that?) but with BSDi, we ended up strapped to a sinking ship.

Colour me a Slack user... (1)

Filter (6719) | more than 13 years ago | (#284966)

We have a few Slack servers, this machine is SGI RH with XFS, but it was Slack 7.1

It was a bit more work, but I knew everything going on with it. Now I am learning about RH and when things don't go smoothly it is very frustrating because I don't feel as in controll over whats installed.

Might just be that your more comfortable with what you know.

Filter
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Historical Value (1)

jjr (6873) | more than 13 years ago | (#284967)

As a lot of the people who has been using linux for a while. Slackware was the first one that I used. I remember downloading it on to 30 diskettes (I had a lot of AOL diskettes) Slackware will not go anyware alot of people will still support it and use it. Good Luck to you guys

Re:This just shows. (1)

dysprosium (12904) | more than 13 years ago | (#284972)

I wish I had some moderator points so I could mod you down as "doesn't get it."

Linux does not exist for corporations to make money off of. If corporations do make money off Linux, then all the better, but Linux's primary focus has never been and never will be (I hope not, anyway) making money for corporations. The aim of Linux is to be a free-as-in-speech kernel. If a Linux company wants to do the things you describe, but says to itself "Damn GPL, how am I supposed to make money?" then maybe they are in the wrong business. And even if all the Linux companies fail and the only people left using Linux are your so-called "hobbyists," and the only way to get device drivers for new devices into the kernel is to either sign non-disclosure agreements which would violate the GPL or to bust out the logic probe and reverse engineer the driver, then someone who likes that hardware stuff and believes in freedom of information will write that driver and Linux will live on.

I hate to tell you this, but there's more to life than money. Sorry.

Dysprosium

P.S. Sorry for the run-on sentences, but I'm trying to make a point.

Slackware PayPal Account (5)

Iconoplast (14611) | more than 13 years ago | (#284975)

Due to *lots* of user inquiries and requests, we have set up a PayPal account for the Slackware core team members. It's been set up with the email address of paypal@slackware.com. Any donations recieved there will go straight to supporting the Slackware project - no companies are going to be taking a cut of this.

So if you're looking for a way to help us out, this is a good opportunity. Of course, buying the next release would also be helpful. But for those of you that download it or are just feeling generous, here's your chance. Thanks.

Re:News for Nerds: Slashdot staff to seek new jobs (1)

sharkey (16670) | more than 13 years ago | (#284977)

That HAS to be a phony! The spelling in that quote was correct, and he managed a compound-complex sentence using proper grammer and structure. There is no way CmdrTaco could write such a sentence without making mistakes that would have a first-grader shaking his head.

Before I get flamed for the preceding sentiment, I have to say that was one of the funniest jokes I've seen this month.

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Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

Mr. Piccolo (18045) | more than 13 years ago | (#284978)

ME ME ME!

Actually, I started with Slackware in 1997 or thereabouts, because the Linux-Installation HOWTO, or whatever document I found at the time, had step-by-step instructions that were Slackware specific.

I've tried all the others, but nothing beats Slackware's DIY mentality.

Slackware is the Ramones of Linux distros -- it ain't complex, and it ain't pretty, but it works for me.

Re:So who is using Slackware? (2)

Arandir (19206) | more than 13 years ago | (#284980)

Who said this was a popularity contest? If all you're concerned about is how many people are using an OS, then stick with Windoze. As for me, I'm sticking with Slackware.

I'm thinking the Slackware, FreeBSD and freesoftware guys should all band together and take their stuff with them. You know, bring Walnut Creek back...

Re:This just shows. (2)

JabberWokky (19442) | more than 13 years ago | (#284981)

Siddenly, instead of having to charge a fee for updates and services, Redhat and the like can just charge for Linux itself.

RedHat has contracts totalling billions of dollars. Does that sound like a poor revenue source? If Linux companies fail, it's either because they were depending too much on the stock bubble, or their business simply failed.

Remember - these are ALL startups, and four out of five startups fail. Shall we recite the past of failed (died or merged) computer companies that had their moment of glory? Digital, Tandy, Cray, and many many more.

every linux company (even media-based ones, like VA Linux and OSDN) is facing bankrupcy in the near future.

I don't see VA Linux doing *anything* media-based (yes, many of their subsideraries and side-projects are)... they sell hardware and clustering solutions. Period. And other than their stock tanking, I don't see anything that says that they are going to go bankrupt. If their business plan is *based* on the income from their stock, they are going to have to rewrite (okay, they will have had to rewrite it awhile back), or their going bankrupt is a function of poor business practices.

-blink- -blink- And what the hell does this have to do with Slackware?

I'm just pissed because they stopped printing Dobbsheads on the CD-ROMs. Bastards. They turn their back on the great salesman, and they lose karma (the mystic kind, not the CowboyNeal kind). Gee... I wonder why?

Praise Bob! [subgenius.com]

--
Evan

Bunk is Bunk (2)

miracle69 (34841) | more than 13 years ago | (#284988)

You don't understand the service industry.

Industries can and do make money on services alone. What do you think Health Care is?

The information about how your body works and how to fix it are publicly available. Physicians make their money because they offer a service - they keep up with modern medicine and recommend healthy courses of action for you - based upon a price. If you have the time to do your own research (which most people don't), then you can figure out what is wrong with you and what you need to do about it. Health Care is a service industry, and it does quite fine.

Don't argue that the little bit of hardware used by most physicians eliminates them from the service industry. Overall, it is a minor portion of their duties.

Re:How much does it cost? (2)

leiz (35205) | more than 13 years ago | (#284989)

slackware still has floppy sized directories for the A series and the N series... on ftp.slackware.com, the A series is divided up into 16 floppies and the N series is divided up into 8 floppies. Although in slackware-current the A series is merged into a single directory (same for the N series) but I imagine they'd be split but into floppy sized directories after slackware 7.2 is released.


Zetetic
Seeking; proceeding by inquiry.

Elench
A specious but fallacious argument; a sophism.

Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

nitehorse (58425) | more than 13 years ago | (#284993)

Oh, wow... my install went a slight bit easier than that. It turns out that the little machine couldn't handle gunzipping packages in any reasonable amount of time, so I used Slack's default "Setup" program on a workstation to install to a subdirectory, then copied via NFS from that subdirectory to the /mnt directory on the laptop (after booting with just three slack boot disks!). Then again, the laptop came with a XircomII 10Base2 PCMCIA ethernet card, so that made things a lot easier. I wouldn't dare run X on the thing (custom Toshiba, crappy video card, no RAM...) but in 200 MB I've managed to fit a full development environment (glibc, gcc, vi, along with apache, mysql, php4, all on a 2.4.2 kernel) plus other niceties like w3m, pine, and ssh. God, I love that laptop...

Re:So who is using Slackware? (2)

nitehorse (58425) | more than 13 years ago | (#284995)

Hey, man - I use slack all the time. From a 486 laptop to a dual-P!!! based rackmount server (thanks, dell!), it is seriously (IMHO) the best Linux distro ever.

Have you ever tried to run a Debian installer on a 486 laptop with 8MB of RAM? How about RedHat, or Mandrake? The greatest thing about slack is that it *works*. There's definitely still places left for Slackware - low-end machines that can't handle the latest stuff, and any machine for a user who wants to actually understand Linux, not just use it. Slack taught me a lot about UNIX in general, and I'm going to definitely support whatever Pat does with it.

Re:Or not. (5)

nitehorse (58425) | more than 13 years ago | (#284996)

Hmm...
Did you mention a real upgrade system [slackware.com] with dependency checking [slackware.com] ?

Open mouth, insert foot?

Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

zoobee (60957) | more than 13 years ago | (#284997)

I have been using Slackware since.... well since 95 or so. Even though I have installed other distros: RedHat, SuSe, Debian, TurboLinux, its just not the same and raw as Slackware! Yup, where do I send the $$$? I just subscribed to the latest distribution.... Its sad to see the demise of no frills players like Slackware....

Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

zoobee (60957) | more than 13 years ago | (#284998)

Oh and I have 6 Slackware systems, located in different parts of the world, yes Linux, especially the Slackware distro, is widely used outside of North America.....

As mentioned in one of the replies, Slackware is indeed the least "fix after all" prone, and one always knows what and where the configuration files are... And yes, my experience with other distros been quite the opposite, which is that trying to tweak/secure distros like RedHat, SuSe and Debian can cause major frustration....

I *think* this is a troll... (1)

Ted V (67691) | more than 13 years ago | (#285002)

I think this is a troll but I'm not sure... The call to action seems to be "Lets spend half a billion federal dollars developing slackware because it worked for FDR."

This isn't a completely obvious troll because many people still believe that FDR saved America from the great depression through The New Deal (though it's now generally agreed that only World War II really turned things around-- look it up [loc.gov] if you don't believe me).

That said, the overall feels seems to appeal to emotions (Do the right thing, Be American, etc.) so I'll label it a troll. Respond accordingly...

-Ted

So who is using Slackware? (2)

Ted V (67691) | more than 13 years ago | (#285003)

I hate to sound ungrateful, but who is actually using Slackware these says? Yes, Slackware was (IIRC) the first *big* distro, but the techy users have mostly switched to SUSE or Debian, and the corporations seem to like RedHat, Mandrake, and the like. It seems like most Slackware fans are loyal for "old times sake", rather than for reasons like Debian's apt-get. Just like old-time businesses losing ground to others that evolved to the market needs, this happens to Linux Distros as well. Part of life in the free market of open source, I guess.

Perhaps its time for another "What's your favorite Linux Distro?" poll. Will CowboyNeal have his own distro as well? :)

-Ted

But where does the money stop? (2)

Ted V (67691) | more than 13 years ago | (#285004)

Sure, $1m is for slackware development is peanuts. But then some guy wants $1m to develop a new technology to reduce industrial waste for the logging industry, and someone else wants $1m to study the effects of drugs on New York Pidgeons. And there are tens of thousands of people asking for "Just a measly 1 million dollars". There are only so many kickbacks to go around, and politicians can have trouble telling the real stuff (slackware) from the scams (effects of marijauna on college students).

Yes, there's a lot of inefficiency in the beaurocracy. But it's become a difficult task to even determine which money is wasted money, and without cutting meaningless projects, well meaning studies can't get their funded.

That said, I still believe that the government funding for slackware development idea is a troll.

-Ted

Re:YABT? (1)

po_boy (69692) | more than 13 years ago | (#285005)

"You 'ave been trolled", I suppose.

Re:Or not. (2)

Oddball (72298) | more than 13 years ago | (#285006)

Or maybe you will just realize that some people want pretty GUI's and thoughtless setup while other people actually LIKE doing the down-and-dirty.

One really nice thing about Slack - when I learn how to do something (say, setup sound), I can do it on any other linux box. Sure, the packaging system won't like it, but it'll work. That means more to me than "click here a presto! you have sound!" what about when it stops working in 10 days? Is there a "click here and presto! your sound is fixed!"
(taken from real expereince. shit does up and break in linux on pc's. cheap ass shit hardware, ya know.)

Re:How much does it cost? (1)

rkent (73434) | more than 13 years ago | (#285008)

Oh man, no shit. My one major complaint now is all those damn a[1..12] directories. Does anyone still actually install off of floppies anymore?!

Well, okay, boot and root ones maybe, but still.

*whew* (2)

rkent (73434) | more than 13 years ago | (#285009)

Sigh of relief... I was getting ready to write an epitaph for slackware. Glad I don't have to. I remember the first time I ran into slackware, it had kernel 1.2.13 in it; some guy tossed the CDs in with a computer I bought used in '96.

Of course, there are bound to be tons of "why use slackware?" posts. Well, I'll tell you why. At first, I hated it too; the first place I set it up was in my dorm room, connected to the bare internet, before they even set up the university firewall. I didn't know how to do ANYTHING. I had to scour the net just to get my vid card up so I could get out of text mode (twm! whoo hoo!).

The point is, on slackware 7.1, I can still use all those techniques to get the distro up and running 5 years later! I learned slackware well and my knowledge still applies. Of course there are new packages now, like KDE and GNOME, and I don't mind learning new stuff. But i DO really like that all the stuff I learned then, still applies on newer and more powerful systems.

I prefer this to redhat because, although it came closer to running out of the box, it didn't quite, and I never did get my soundcard working with redhat 6. Not to mention slackware is one of the better systems on which to compile and install your own kernel; I tried it with redhat and it just broke EVERYTHING. I got frustrated and switched back.

This is starting to sound like a guy whining about liking it the way things were "back in the day," and I guess to an extent it is. I don't know that i'd recommend slackware to a new user. But it's my personal favorite, and it's still really powerful and stable as hell.

Re:Tax rural US to build toys for urban US (1)

daniell (78495) | more than 13 years ago | (#285011)

I'm sure the residents of Bumpkin, Idaho really appreciated the fancy new theatres built in New York. But hey, screw them, their morallistic reactionary outlook has no place in the new socialist millenium now, does it?

Your argument has a point. But its a democracy, which by nature, can't make everyone happy. My solution would be a dissolution of the nation into small representative democracies. Bumpkin Idaho doesn't want New York, and clearly, New York doesn't want Bumpkin Idaho. Just call it quits and have everyone agree to secede peacefully from one-another. Its grossly unmanageble as it stands.

Bush, War on Drugs, "you know... for kids!", Tax free Religious organizations my ass.

-Daniel

Re:Slackware should be a Federal Public Project (2)

daniell (78495) | more than 13 years ago | (#285013)

I believe you're not actually talking about communism per sae but rather socialism. I agree that more government would be handy in some respects, but a better, more cost regulated system of health care might be a better priority. The arguments that maximum cost produces maximum quality of health care are incorrect due to the issue of individual health being related to public health which intrisically depends on accessability by all individuals.

Regardless, $500 million is nothing in respects to the cost of one new plane, fueling/arming an existing miliary training excercise or test, or the cost of a single use offensive weapon. Personally I'm surprised with the limitless military budget that more /research/ hasn't been done in energy/cost efficiency that might have trickled down by now to better electric vehicles or the like for the people.

BTW, Patriotism and nationalism are entirely misplaced sentiments. We should be concentrating on what can be done for the greater humanity rather than attempting to appease conservatives with boldly colored fabrics.

-Daniel

Or not. (5)

Eric Seppanen (79060) | more than 13 years ago | (#285014)

Maybe we're about to enter a whole new Slackware era.

And maybe Slackware will slowly slide further into irrelevancy because it turns out that sophisticated packaging systems, installers, and the ability to upgrade from one release to the next are all things that people actually want.

Goodbye, karma... (flinches)
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Re:Slackware should be a Federal Public Project (1)

AntiBasic (83586) | more than 13 years ago | (#285020)

It's a golden drop of communism that can be realized in our time and under our terms.

We already realized those golden drops of communism. How I long for the days of being sent to gulags because I said something distasteful with the premier. Oh but not just me, but also all my family, friends and neighbors. I miss being executed within three days of conviction then having the bullet used to kill me charged to any of my remaining family. I miss the 60+ million killed in big government enforced purges. We killed more than you Hitler (you patsy)! I miss the forced breeding of athletes. Isn't eugenics great?! I miss the forced drug use by athletes as well. Come on! I'm sure you remember Hairy Chest Helga and those good times in Stink Finger Park. Don't forget Uncy Pol Pot and the Khmere Rouge! Nice guys. I would trust them with my daughter. Cannabalism and Genocide = Good. GI Bombers = Bad.

Oh yeah and the absence of capitolism is great too. At least we all starve together. I don't want the opportunity to provide for my family just because I'm more intelligent and entreprenuerial than you (well if the govt allowed that trait).

Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

Cyno (85911) | more than 13 years ago | (#285021)


I'm fairly new to linux. I've been using slackware since the 1.2.13 kernel. It has always and will always be my favorite distribution. Why? Because Suse and RedHat still don't understand what a unix filesystem should look like, though I do like Suse, hate Redhat. And Debian is just too much for me, don't have any complaints about it yet. I want something quick, simple, and stable. Slackware has all the features I want and all the utils to allow me to add the apps it doesn't come with.
See, I look at it this way. When installing a linux distribution I will always have to customize it to fit my needs. Unfortunately RedHat and those other distributions seem to think I don't know how to customize my system. They add GUI tools to configure things and take away the command line and other tools at the times when I need them the most, such as installation or /etc/sysconfig?!? Gah!!! For that reason along I will never run Redhat on any of my systems at home. But Slackware gives you all the tools available and keeps everything open, as it should be. It just works.
I'm not worried about slackware going under. If that happens I'm sure someone like myself will continue the distribution and improve it to work with all the latest and greatest software. I would like to personalize a distribution of slackware aimed at the hardcore multimedia users like myself, but these things take time. Maybe next month.

Re:Slackware should be a Federal Public Project (1)

Cyno (85911) | more than 13 years ago | (#285022)

mod this up!!! :)

Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

Cyno (85911) | more than 13 years ago | (#285023)

And vim does it better with color! :) I can't imagine a better edittor.

Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

Cyno (85911) | more than 13 years ago | (#285024)

I would agree with you on that last statement, but unfortunatly my company, and most publicly traded companies, prefer to use RedHat since management has been told through advertisements that RedHat IS linux. :( I hate RedHat for that. And for creating rpm (tar.gz works great), and moving /etc/init.d to /etc/rc.d (finally added a simlink to /etc, bastards), and for /etc/sysconfig, and ... the list just goes on and on. *sigh*

I think in the end my frustration RedHat is caused by dislike of authority and beaurocracy. They seem to bring those to Linux, in my opinion.

Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

jbridge21 (90597) | more than 13 years ago | (#285029)

Yeah, bite me, I'm a techy user and I still prefer Slackware.

I could go on, but others will, so I'll just say this:

Slackware isn't dead, its death is always overrated, Slackware is something that will never die, bla, bla, bla.
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Pick up and leave right now. (1)

BierGuzzl (92635) | more than 13 years ago | (#285030)

Basically, you can pick up and leave right now if you like. Hell, anyone can. If most of the current linux user base would stop using it and switch to some other OS, it wouldn't really make things worse for the rest of us.

On the other hand, if linux were to go closed source, there'd be an even greater amount of users who would stop using it, seeing as they won't be able to fix stuff that inevitably comes up and they won't be able to audit the code themselves.

As for your comments about intellectual propery and Linus having the copyright to linux, You'd be tter do some research before opening your mouth and proving yourself a fool. Why not check out the list of kernel authors, and see if anywhere they've assigned their copyright to Linus?

Man... (1)

soulsteal (104635) | more than 13 years ago | (#285039)


Just when you thought the command line would finally just die.... Slackware comes back.

New era... (1)

TheTitan (105910) | more than 13 years ago | (#285040)

it's called FreeBSD.

Re:Slackware should be a Federal Public Project (2)

SpookComix (113948) | more than 13 years ago | (#285044)

Wait just a sec...isn't it our own government that helps screw the little guy by enforcing stupid patent and trademark laws? Isn't it the bevy of corrupt politicians that is turning our country into shit? It is *these* people that you'd like to see fiscally responsible for the operating system that runs your computer?

Isn't it our government that would already like to peek into our computers using systems like Carnivore?

Hey Uncle Sam! We know that you have lied, cheated, stolen and murdered in order to advance the corrupt ideals of a small percentage of high-profiled people! Since you know exactly nothing about creating operating systems, and since we trust you implicitly with our computers and private information, would you be responsible for helping us create an operating system, using our tax dollars, so we don't have to run Windows? Please? We trust that you won't be as mindless as the Marketing and Sales droids that we're always complaining about, because Heaven knows that you are responsible enough to only create good, wholesome programs for people that don't help line anyone's pocket.

No thanks. I'll take what I've got over that kind of control any day.

--SC

uptime is a fallacy (1)

StandardDeviant (122674) | more than 13 years ago | (#285045)

Relying on uptime measurements as the sole determinant of how stable some OS is is a fallacy. I notice that not one of those high uptime sites seemed to be a place that I'd ever heard of. Not one. Far more interesing would be the uptimes of very popular and loaded sites.

Also, I think uptime is a bit over-rated in any operating system. Sure, having it not crash is nice, but there are reasons to reboot machines.

(This is not to say BSD is bad, I like Open quite a lot. I just that that finding out that Y version of BSD can stay up for X days on some J. Random's machine is trivia at best.)


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Re:But where does the money stop? (1)

StandardDeviant (122674) | more than 13 years ago | (#285046)

I never said the governemt didn't fund stupid ideas (actually I implicitly said the converse by mentioning the Helium Fund). Just because some government spending is idiotic is no reason to deny funding to good projects (just give 'em the dang money and axe something stupid, like Social Security).

The idea of public funding for slack is not a troll, but formulated as it was by the original poster it probably was.


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probably, but still the kernel of the idea is good (2)

StandardDeviant (122674) | more than 13 years ago | (#285048)

yes, or somebody trying to be funny

Still, the basic idea striped of trollness and hyperbole does have merit. Linux is something a lot of agencies and schools and whatnot feeling a budget pinch could use (not with the students or teachers directly perhaps but certainly to replace expensive NT or Novell servers, expensive both as software cost and because you aren't going to get the dusty 486 in the corner to run NT). Furthering the development of linux (say Slack for the sake of the arguement, Mr. Volkerding is an American and Slack is a good baseline "serverish" linux distro that any Unix oldschooler that a school district or agency had would feel comfy with) would be extremely cheap compared to most of the things our government does. Arbitrarily setting the "Slack Development" budget at $1,000,000 a year, that's 1/16th what we pay for the helium fund (I think the helium fund was 16million/year. May be 30 mil.)

Heck, triple that and pay folks to develop software on linux to meet agency needs, like educational software perhaps, or tools for a farm agency, or a slick admin interface that's really foolproof so even an elementary school teacher could admin a Slack box powering the classroom network most of the time without having to call the school admin. And since the OS and the developed apps are open source, every agency could benefit (unlike buying commercial ware for one agency in need at time X). 3million equates to less than a penny per person in the US per year.


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Re:This just shows. (1)

Combuchan (123208) | more than 13 years ago | (#285050)

This just shows you're a darned fool. I will debunk your argument in order of the "points" you made.

Intellectual property control in the Linux kernel? Your comments are so trollish I wonder why I respond--you sound like Microsoft. When has this ever been an issue in the Linux kernel?

but in the event that all the major Linux distros go under ... This also proves that you haven't even read the article in question. WindRiver is dropping Slackware because it competes with its BSD offerings, not because it doesn't make any money. In fact, Slackware is one of the few profitable distributions out there, according to Mr. Volkerding. And if you're talking about distros going under, I see the publicly-traded corporate firms like Red Hat and Caldera going under long before I'd see Slackware or Debian go south.

Also, you must realize that very few corporations actually write device drivers for Linux. Drivers are written from published spec sheets and open chipset manufacturers. Case in point: My Hauppauge [hauppauge.com] WinTV PCI, which uses the Brooktree [brooktree.com] Bt848 chip, a chip set is remarkably well-documented and supported.

Closed source helps copyright laws, but that's when you're trying to make a profit out of copyright and be just like Microsoft and Apple and Be and all the other "OS-sellers" out there. And I hope I don't have to reiterate this, but it's not going to happen, and it would be a fundamental slap-in-the-face to the thousands of dedicated Linux programmers who have labored for countless hours bringing an incredibly useful product to market--for free. Your shortsight and foolish mindedness is an insult to them all. You also ignore the fact that if the kernel were closed-source, it would lose ALL of existing developer base--who the hell would contribute to a corporation that has sole rights over their works, can sell it, and wouldn't even pay them in return?

with a closed-source license, and better control of the kernel, Linux could finally defeat those arguments M$ brings about You actually think Linus would bow down to baseless Microsoft FUD and do what would be immediately M$'s best interests? And I'm not even going to go into how Windows {NT,9[58],2000} is such a far superior product when compared to Linux because it has the good old Microsoft we've come to know and love over the years standing so fully by it, ready to do what it takes to ensure customer satisfaction.

Ass.

I know the idea of this isn't something people want to think of. I don't have to think about it because the whole concept is ludicrous. And I'm done debunking your noisy tripe, I've proved what a crock of shit this argument is already.

For next time, please don't post such crap like this. It makes you look stupid and it gets me all riled up. :P

--sean

Re:uptime is a fallacy (1)

Combuchan (123208) | more than 13 years ago | (#285051)

Uptime is not a fallacy when you have machines that are active internet servers up for 400 - 900 days at a time. This proves that Linux and the BSD's use a solid and reliable code base. The alternative is Microsoft--who, while demonstrating a W2K machine that had been up for two months is seven times more reliable than NT4. I've rarely heard of NT boxen staying up for more than two months, as they usually BSoD or go kaput because of some weird error.

I know my OS is reliable when I can plug my box in to the Ethernet jack, lock my office, and forget about whether it's going to be alive tomorrow for the next two or three years.

--sean

$$$ (1)

zysus (123604) | more than 13 years ago | (#285052)

Tell us where to send the $, there are many loyal users who will donate either time or money to keeping slackware alive.

Re:Or not. (1)

equus (126690) | more than 13 years ago | (#285053)

Sophisticated...and broken

Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

Scrudge (127880) | more than 13 years ago | (#285055)

I AM!!!
I've tried a lot of others, but nothing
beats Slack. It's simple, stable and
well designed.

I am. (1)

Shin Elendale (132746) | more than 13 years ago | (#285059)

Not just out of any sense of loyalty or anything (though i certainly have something to be loyal for) but because they make the best goddamn product available. And its not just me, but lots of people use slackware. I hesitate to bring this up after K5 recieved such a beating under the latest /.ing but K5 runs slackware on its machines :) The reason slackware is in trouble is more to do (IMHO) with the fact that they don't take much from the consumer while returning so much. After all, what other distro is so highly regarded yet available for $25 in the store or easily downloadable. Yes, all linuxes are downloadable, but some are easier than others :)

-Elendale (its either that or a BSD, take your pick)

This just shows. (4)

Electric Angst (138229) | more than 13 years ago | (#285061)

Okay, I'm going to throw this out there, and I know that there will be some pretty strong opposition to it, but I ask you, just hear me out...

I believe that if any of these young, innovative, linux-based companies are to survive, one very important thing has to happen:

Linux has to go Closed-Source.

Now don't get angry, this is just the truth. We need Linus and the kernel developers to seriously take into consideration a major license shift. Of course it couldn't possibly happen overnight, but if there isn't some type of intellectual property control for Linux by the 2.6 kernel, than you can pretty much kiss it goodbye.

Now, I know there will be those of you who argue "But Linux will never go away, since it's Open Source, hobbiest can keep it alive." Well, that's true in a sense, but in the event that all the major Linux distros go under, how quickly do you think all other device manufacturers and software companies would quickly forgot that Linux even existed? Sure, Linux would probably live on, and it could live on forever, provided that the hardware these "hobbyists" have it installed on now lasts forever.

Closed-source allows us to use the world's various copyright laws to our advantage. Siddenly, instead of having to charge a fee for updates and services, Redhat and the like can just charge for Linux itself. Heck, since so many of the developers are volenteers, you're looking at a wide enough profit margin to charge much less than M$.

That's another thing, with a closed-source license, and better control of the kernel, Linux could finally defeat those arguments M$ brings about it "possibly mutating" and "not having reliable corporations behind it". Linus, being the copyright holder, could maintain a much stricter control over the kernel, and with the distro providers making money, it's a win-win situation.

I know the idea of this isn't something people want to think of. Still, the bubble has burst, and every linux company (even media-based ones, like VA Linux and OSDN) is facing bankrupcy in the near future. The previous versions of Linux could always stay GPL'd, and they would remain for the hobbyists and those who just must have free software. The Linux of the future must protect itself with the security of intelectual property law, though, or else we might as well all pack up and leave right now...


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Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

SealBeater (143912) | more than 13 years ago | (#285063)

Hey, I'll join in. Using slack-sparc on an Ultra 2 at work, slack 7.1 on my work laptop (dell cpi PII-400) and a server under my desk, and a dual 600 PII rackmount (Dell PowerEdge). Also use it at home on 7 computers doing just about everything.

SealBeater

Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

SealBeater (143912) | more than 13 years ago | (#285064)

As far as I know, slackware (as of 7.1) doesn't support ftp installs. As far as keeping track of installed programs compliled from source, I have found checkinstall to be absolutely wonderfull. You run it and it makes a slack package for the program and does pkginstall on it. Hence, when you want to upgrade, remove or just look at what you got installed, you just run pkgtool. Its very cool and I recommend that people check it out. Look on freshmeat for it. Also, slack-current is very up to date.

SealBeater

Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

patw (152168) | more than 13 years ago | (#285069)

im using it too... tried really everything.. always got back to slackware.. :)

Re:So who is using Slackware? (2)

reddeno (155457) | more than 13 years ago | (#285071)

I am using Slackware... And "techies" have certainly NOT gone away from Slackware. In fact, Slackware has been the most problem-free distro I have ever used (out of Redhat, SuSE, Debian, Mandrake, Caldera, TurboLinux, IcePack).

Go away.

Slackware (1)

bonzoesc (155812) | more than 13 years ago | (#285072)

More guests at the linux distro party is nice. Let's just hope the M$ cops don't bust in with a noise violation.

Tell me what makes you so afraid
Of all those people you say you hate

Re:Slackware should be a Federal Public Project (2)

bonzoesc (155812) | more than 13 years ago | (#285073)

If "The answer is clearly more government," (emphassis removed) how come FDR failed to save America from the great depression by adding more government? IIRC, the public school system is a dismal failure: after decades with it, it has degenerated into a system where students are taught how to pass standardized tests, and that alone. Privatization is king.

Tell me what makes you so afraid
Of all those people you say you hate

Is this a hoax? (2)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 13 years ago | (#285075)

How do we know this is real? That is just a message posted in the slackware forum. Anybody could go to that forum, and for name: put "Patrick J. Volkerding". Seriously, I make up a new names sometimes when I post to that forum. And there is no mention of this in the slackware news section [slackware.com] . I would think that if Patrick would have such important news he would put it on the front page of slackware.com, not in some forum post that could be easily spoofed.

Now I am not trying to say that I think this is fake. I just won't believe it until it is posted somewhere where I can be sure only Patrick could have put it up.

Re:So who is using Slackware? (2)

Kingstrum (169196) | more than 13 years ago | (#285077)

Well, oddly enough, some of us have finally graduated to Slackware. I started out in Linux trying to get Slackware installed on an old 486 laying around, but had never messed with much UNIX outside of university student accounts here and there. After suffering through years of increasing bloat from RedHat and SuSE -- tons of free software stuffed in every nook and cranny is no better than having to pay extra for the privilidge -- I dumped Linux altogether for *BSD.

Personally, I prefer a nice, tight basic system where I can add software as I need and where I want.

Recently a friend at work re-introduced me to Slackware (7.1) and what a difference a few years of UNIX experience makes! I threw it on a laptop at work and tweaked it to hell and back:
  • tortured Enlightenment til it bleed;
  • easily installed/uninstalled dozens of new packages, since it doesn't use any assinine "proprietary" packaging system, just standard tar and gzip;
  • and discovered kindered spirits who seem to enjoy tight code and maximum freedom of choice.

All in all, a very enjoyable experience.

Now I'm still tempted by *BSD, but at least I know there is one Linux distro that exemplifies elegance and simplicity with all the kick-ass power of Linux. I usually donate an extra $50 or so everytime I buy a new version of OpenBSD...maybe this year I'll give to Theo AND Patrick...

Kingstrum

Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

perlmonky (171634) | more than 13 years ago | (#285078)

I'm using slackware-current mirrored once a
week :) and keepin' all those packages nice and
fresh. I have two machines still running the
last 4.x disto. With uptimes of 270+ days.
Thanks Patrick!!!

Re:Slackware should be a Federal Public Project (1)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 13 years ago | (#285079)

Privatization is king.

Ummmm, yeah, that's exactly the problem, at least for those of us who live in a democracy.

I know the parent post was a troll but it's not such a bad idea, minus the flag-waving BS.... $500 million is nothing to the fed govt (though they could do it for a lot less) and we certainly spend way more on that to build weapons we don't need. And the gov't would save $ in the long run - a lot of it - by not having to pay M$ licenses....

Re:saddly (1)

cnkeller (181482) | more than 13 years ago | (#285082)

I'm not disagreeing with you (you have some interesting points actually). However, there is more to life than system uptime. Perhaps performance? Price? Support?

I took a stroll through the latest TPC benchmarks and was shocked to see Unix systems getting pushed farther and farther down the list in favor of 2000/NT systems. I was actually hoping to find a Linux/BSD system lurking around (especially with the 2.4 kernel out), now I'd be happy to find anything Unix in large numbers.

sigh...

We now return you to more on-topic posts...

What! (1)

bitva (206067) | more than 13 years ago | (#285086)

Sounds to me like they're a bunch o' slackers.

(laughter from audience)

Thank you, thank you.

Re:saddly (1)

MystikPhish (218732) | more than 13 years ago | (#285089)

Read the FAQ [netcraft.com] :
Additionally, NT4 uptimes cycle back to zero after 49.7 days, and give timestamps exactly as if the machine had been rebooted at this precise point, while HP-UX, Linux, Solaris and recent releases of FreeBSD also cycle back to zero after 497 days

The 50th server has an Avg uptime of 597.

So the fact that Linux doesn't make the list seems irrelevant, no?

Re:This just shows. (1)

earthpig (227603) | more than 13 years ago | (#285095)

i've been watching the rating of this post.
it has gone:
troll
informative
troll
flamebait

i just waiting for someone to rate it funny.

I am. (1)

Quazion (237706) | more than 13 years ago | (#285098)

And no it wasnt my First Dist, that was Redhat..

I like to install a bare Slack without X and all, and install all the stuff my self from ground up.
What happend too those fools who compile everything them selves ? Just to prove they can!

I got three Slack-Boxxes running, the installer really beats all GUI based installers...and or redhat like text installers...

And who am i ? Just some CowboyNeal lover, what you saying he got his own Distro ? WHERE CAN I GET IT!...

And i am Nobody. (1)

Quazion (237706) | more than 13 years ago | (#285099)

You ment "I dont care, i think slackware sux. I dont use it." and prolly you never tried it either....

He LOOK its a "Newbie Friendly" Bunny!

Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

diamondc (241058) | more than 13 years ago | (#285102)

why yes, yes I did install Debian 2 months ago on an old toshiba laptop 486/8mb of RAM. Brought the laptop to work and 4 floppies with me, copying new images onto the diskettes from my workstation everytime the debian install asked for the new disk image. and now i got a gnu/linux distro fitted in less than 100mbs/w mail, chat, web browser, even X (in 8-bit color though :( )

Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

StarGryphon (241243) | more than 13 years ago | (#285103)

For one, I'm using slackware. I got sick of RPM's and not really knowing what's going on underneath the hood of my computer. Isn't this the reason most of us are moving away from Windows in the first place? Slackware is about security and stability and most of the linux distributions of today can't claim this. The other thing that RedHat and the like boast about is the GUI config tools, but what's wrong with vi - it does the same thing with less bloat.

Re:How much does it cost? (1)

hammock (247755) | more than 13 years ago | (#285104)

My one major complaint now is all those damn a[1..12] directories.

It has been heard. And they were merged into single directories per "disk set".

a1/ ap1/ d1/ e1/ f1/ gtk1/ k1/ kde1/ n1/ t1/ tcl1/ x1/ xap1/ y1/


"Why didn't I join Microsoft? [LAUGHTER]"

Hands off, bucko! (1)

Icephreak1 (267199) | more than 13 years ago | (#285107)

Man, the mere thought of my Slackware dying away at the hands of some indifferent c0rp scares the bits out of me. I've been using this thing since Day One. I suppose I could look forward to using Debian if it does croak, that is if Debian itself hasn't croaked by then.

Resist, valiant Slackware!

ICEPHREAK

Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

Icephreak1 (267199) | more than 13 years ago | (#285108)

I am.

Three machines. A 486 desktop, a Celeron-400 laptop, a PIII-933 desktop. All Slackware-powered.

I suppose it boils down to my being a Linux purist. I wouldn't simply say I use it for old time's sake. The installer is a very convenient no-frills something and the distribution is straightforward. Period.

There have been many cases where my non-Slackware cronies struggled to get their PPP scripts set up, their X servers configured and debugged and their devices properly symlinked. Having been forced over the years to do all those things by hand, I usually save the day with ten seconds of tinkering each.

Slackware simply rocks the box. That's just about it.

ICEPHREAK

Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

popular (301484) | more than 13 years ago | (#285109)

The ISP I used to work for was founded in 1995. Shortly after that, they standardized on Slackware, and they don't intend on changing their distribution just to "stay with the times". Six years and several thousand users later, I'm sure that they're running it on more than the three boxen they started with...

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Wind river the anti-source company.... (1)

BLAG-blast (302533) | more than 13 years ago | (#285110)

This isn't any great suprise that Wind River are dropping Slackware. Wind River used to be in direct competition with Cygnus Solutions [redhat.com] , during that time they would say a lot of negative things about open source and the GPL. Wind River did use gcc but never contributed changes back to the FSF or anybody else.

I don't think *BSD is in too much danger of being dropped, since the BSD license doesn't force them to publish thier code (compared to the GPL).
--

Re:How much does it cost? (1)

wizzy403 (303479) | more than 13 years ago | (#285111)

Heh, I remember trying to explain the $500 phone bill to my boss (there were no local ISPs to us at the time, and downloading all those disks at 14.4 to NYC during the daytime was damned expensive!)

Its a shame... (1)

catpyss (321548) | more than 13 years ago | (#285112)

I really can't comment too reliably on _why_ Wind River chose not to hire the Slackware team, but I am still unhappy about it. I can find no links that better explain the situation. I believe choice is a good thing, and has helped Linux and other free Unix-like operating systems evolve so rapidly. This announcement comes after Wind River needlessly ruffled feathers with their stance on GPL'ed code and Linux. These actions don't seem like smart PR moves for a company operating in a niche that Linux and the GPL created.

Saddly you are trolling. (1)

catpyss (321548) | more than 13 years ago | (#285113)

"tick tock tick tock ... counting down to a -2 troll from the Linux loving mods who don't see the underlying facts in this post."

The above statement is a self-realization that your post is flawed. This was an article about Wind River dropping Slackware, not an invitation to proclaim your BSD beliefs. Please don't find me harsh, but you are trolling.

"Linux has become a novelty within the past few months and no version no matter which you name, Debian, Slackware, Redhat, Mandrake, etc, has any standards regarding anything, desktops, package managers (RPM, PKG_ADD, etc, etc), and ALL of them have many security risks associated with them. "
For starters, Linux has been available since 1991 and has enjoyed great acclaim and status since then. KDE, GNOME, RPM, DPKG, X11, the Linux kernel itself, GNU tools, and the LSB are all standards. Don't confuse standards with lack of choice or being locked into one vendor/distribution. Everything from TCP/IP to POSIX to the BSD Ports system has security issues, so that remark holds the least weight.

"One of the biggest problems also surrounding the use of Linux, is their repeated effort to try to make it a better system by releasing a kernel revision just about every other week, instead of getting it right the first time around. Why would I want to subject myself to this?"
So I guess you don't upgrade your systems ever? I suppose you are running the same Free/Net/OpenBSD version first publically released? The Linux development effort makes things better and is in a constant state of revising and adding. Such is the same in acedemic, medical, and engineering environments. Such is also true of the BSDs. Also, the 4.4BSD that the modern BSDs came from was not written a single time. It was and is a multi-decade effort consisting of revisions, updates, and rewrites.

"The problem with Linux is simple, the creator (Linus Torvalds) dictates what should or should not be installed into the kernel source which is rather unfair as opposed to the BSD's which most have an unbiased input from the developers as to what should or should not be included."
I hope you don't belive that. Free software isn't controlled by anyone. There merely is one person/vendor that is the de facto standard. I suppose there is only one single BSD varient right?

Using one single benchmark as reason to claim 3 operating systems are superior to 1 is stupid. That would be like me saying the BSD varients are usless as they have little native software.

The saddest remark: "Its shameful to see Slackware go under for this short time, being it was the first distro of Linux I started with..."
You seem to be yet another bile-spewing ex-Linux user who has found an iceberg of exclusivity to hold onto. Your attacks are unfounded, untrue, and unfair. If you get modded down, I would completely understand.

For those who dont know.. (1)

Diplomat73 (323901) | more than 13 years ago | (#285114)

Some people out there probably dont know what slackware is: this site [slackware.com] is very informative for those who have no clue. Anyway it seems we have entered a new slackware age. I hope its for the better

Slackware should be a Federal Public Project (2)

treelover (325420) | more than 13 years ago | (#285115)

It's a shame that public financing of private efforts like Slackware is so passZ now, because they could benefit a lot from true Public ownership and financing.

In the 1930s, Roosevelt spearheaded federal subsidies for the arts and sciences, and the postwar economic booms can be directly traced to these government programs. Though some of the very best (such as the Federal Theatre Project) were slashed in bouts of partisan bickering, the system as a whole benefitted greatly from FDR's vision and the Federal purse.

Free software is ideal because it doesn't belong to any single individual. It's a golden drop of communism that can be realized in our time and under our terms. With true Federal subsidies and ownership, we wouldn't have to worry about whether WindRiver will keep the project going or whoever buys them out next. (Whether that would be an antitrust concern is a different matter entirely.)

Each one of us would be able to run a truly American operating system emblazoned with the American flag flying in the wind and symbolizing freedom and liberty. We would call it "AmericanX", a play both on the words "American" and more specifically on "Americana", which the system would be a hallmark example of in all its glory.

It's time to look past the lost battles of yesterday. Distribution wars are a thing of the past. We can either continue hating Microsoft and try punishing them through the court system, which we can't seem to do without violating their rights or each other's, or we can just do the right thing and make a public operating system a reality. If Microsoft wants to compete with AmericanX, then they can do so, just as the private schools compete with public schools.

The answer is clearly more government. We need to show the rest of the world that America still has what it takes to lead into this next millennium. For about $500million in annual fiscal expenses, we could pull it off. I don't think that's too much to ask.

nooo... (1)

Skoozler (409970) | more than 13 years ago | (#285116)

Slackware could attract new interest in the publisher; I can't believe they would throw free publicity away.

It is the second greatest distro (after Debian)... My first go at linux was on some beta of Slackware 4... ahhh, the memories :)

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If Slackware does go away... (2)

r41nm4n (413957) | more than 13 years ago | (#285122)

there are still 179 [www.ldl.cx] other distributions to choose from!

Re:YABT? (1)

Dan Ost (415913) | more than 13 years ago | (#285123)

My guess is
"yet another blatant troll"

Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

Tech187 (416303) | more than 13 years ago | (#285124)

There was a small library headache with Slack when they finally adopted Glibc, but nothing like the every-version-of-everything library headaches that some of the other distros suffer from.

Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

Tech187 (416303) | more than 13 years ago | (#285125)

The only installation option was via ftp

And NFS, which I prefer.

Re:The beginning of the end. (1)

Tech187 (416303) | more than 13 years ago | (#285126)

SLS has been dead for years. Oh wait! It evolved into Slackware, it didn't die.

lol... you kidding (1)

jeneag (441998) | more than 13 years ago | (#285127)

&subj. I'm using Slackware 7.1, and I'm proud of it. Do I'm every going to use that RedHat for newbies? You bet I wont.

Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

jeneag (441998) | more than 13 years ago | (#285128)

Not agree with you. First of all, if there is _new_ version of Slackware, it has almost every new _STABLE_ popular|good|needed|etc app out there. You probably looking at RH and other crap,
and how they v#++ all the time, with _BUGGY_ appz,
etc. Then they scream "The new... blah blah...".
Loaded with -pre's, -alpha's, and nightbuilds... but wait, who cares? It's latest and greatest ant it 'just got better!'

Re:Post more articles about VB!!! (1)

jeneag (441998) | more than 13 years ago | (#285129)

This is funnies crap I've heard today!
You are an idiot. First of all, you are not 'programming', there is no 'apps', there is no
'windows', and you don't even exist.

If you listen carefully... (1)

sllort (442574) | more than 13 years ago | (#285130)

You can hear the sound of the other [slashdot.org] shoe [slashdot.org] dropping [slashdot.org] ...

If you listen carefully... (1)

sllort (442574) | more than 13 years ago | (#285131)

You can hear the sound of the other [slashdot.org] shoe [slashdot.org] dropping [slashdot.org] ...

Re:Slackware should be a Federal Public Project (1)

warmiak (444024) | more than 13 years ago | (#285132)

"Each one of us would be able to run a truly American operating system emblazoned with the American flag flying in the wind and symbolizing freedom and liberty. "

And those who don't want to run it would still have to support it with their taxes.
Not much freedom here, is there ?

Slackware Forever (1)

Bos20k (444115) | more than 13 years ago | (#285133)

Bos20k says Slackware rules all.
If you haven't used it lately, do so now!
It is laid out and runs correctly.
A lot more than can be said for most other Linux distros.

Re:So who is using Slackware? (1)

drewangst (444127) | more than 13 years ago | (#285134)

I'm using slackware. I've been using it since before RedHat started recuiting people from the local lug. I hate RPMs. I've tried serveral other distributions but I keep coming back to slackware. I grok how it operates. It is my benchmark for evaluating other distributions.

-drewangst
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