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Nintendo's Wii U Will Be Sold At a Loss

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the super-mario-loss-leader dept.

Businesses 188

another random user tips news that Nintendo will be selling its upcoming Wii U console at a loss in the hopes that spurring earlier adoption will work out for the company in the long run. This differs from the Wii, which made money from the start, but it's a similar strategy to those used with the Xbox 360 and PS3, which both lost money for their companies at release. "The Japanese firm's president revealed the news after the firm cut its profit forecast. It marks a change in the company's business strategy. The decision to abandon the prospect of immediate profits in order to maximize later earnings is part of a growing trend in the tech world. Nintendo might have altered course to take advantage of the fact that neither Microsoft nor Sony have announced their next-generation consoles yet. Its pursuit of the more casual gamer means it has also had to take account of the keenly priced tablet market which attracts a similar consumer."

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Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (5, Interesting)

crazyjj (2598719) | about 2 years ago | (#41778803)

The controller raises a lot of interesting possibilities (though it's a little bulky for my tastes). And, unlike some, I think that the $300-$350 price tag is fine (compared to the $600 debut price tag of the PS3, that's a frickin' bargain bin price!). But I haven't been hearing a lot of buzz about it, considering it's supposed to be launching next month. I know it's supposed to be as powerful as the PS3/360. And, of course, I know about the controller. But I haven't heard much about the debut game lineup. And even gamer podcasts and shows don't seem to be giving it much attention.

Frankly I think Nintendo, for all their faults (most notably, their admittedly piss-poor online support), kind of gets the short-shrift in the gaming community. Their systems may not have the cutting edge CPU's and GPU's, but they do what they do pretty well. And they offer a pretty good bargain most of the time. I think they're underrated myself and wish they got more respect. Not every console and handheld has to cater 100% to hardcore gamers, you know.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41778901)

People aren't more hyped because the console is as powerful as current gen consoles but costs more.

The special controller is crazy expensive and you are only going to get one per system. Online play is poorly supported, you can't go out and purchase all of the old school Nintendo games through an online market for the system (like literally everyone who games wants to), and the system itself doesn't have as rich a supported application set as the PS3 and the Xbox360.

That's why people aren't more excited.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41779029)

How many touch screen controllers do you want per system? and then for each one to use its features of screen switching and such? Maybe you misunderstand the point of it.

Online play is poorly supported when? It isn't. Online support is as easy as enabling a connection and gathering enough users and products to use it with that the support can come as necessary.

It has been stated that there will be online shopping for old games so people will still buy old games like they did on the Wii, or 3DS.

To say the PS3 or 360 has a rish application set is a massive joke. It has some top line games. Let's not bullshit ourselves, games.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (2)

BakaHoushi (786009) | about 2 years ago | (#41779453)

Have you seen the 3DS store? The selection (at least here in the states) is abysmal. Nintendo has a huge selection of old, classic games but they're just not coming to the system and it drives me crazy.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41779977)

Have you seen the 3DS store? The selection (at least here in the states) is abysmal. Nintendo has a huge selection of old, classic games but they're just not coming to the system and it drives me crazy.

whilst i don't have a 3ds to compare, it is much younger than the wii. the wii virtual console games trickled out with a fistful every release (monthly? i forget). i stopped buying vc games once we could make them ourselves but i would say given time the 3ds will catch up.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (5, Informative)

trdrstv (986999) | about 2 years ago | (#41779183)

People aren't more hyped because the console is as powerful as current gen consoles but costs more.

Then why are 3rd party games running at 1080p60 instead of 720p30 like they are on the PS3 / 360 ?

The special controller is crazy expensive and you are only going to get one per system.

And it's being designed so you only have to use 1 to play the games.

Online play is poorly supported, you can't go out and purchase all of the old school Nintendo games through an online market for the system (like literally everyone who games wants to),

?? The Wii-shop from the Wii carries over to the Wii U and you can port over all your downloaded games from the Wii to the Wii U. Seriously there's hundreds of games (including most old school nintendo games) that you can download.

and the system itself doesn't have as rich a supported application set as the PS3 and the Xbox360.

Probably not right away, but they are launching with: Amazon, Hulu, Netflix, Universal remote control, and a browser. What other applications are on PS3 / 360 that you feel you'd miss ?

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1, Funny)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | about 2 years ago | (#41779275)

What other applications are on PS3 / 360 that you feel you'd miss ?

ItsNotNintendo.app, the premier hard-core application for real, cool gamers who play Call of Duty and all other games almost exactly like Call of Duty but each one more awesome than the last because it has new guns and darker graphics (Doom 3 excluded, because you can't get much darker than that and we want to keep getting darker).

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1)

alen (225700) | about 2 years ago | (#41779279)

ESPN, MLB and twenty some other video apps on the x-box

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (2, Insightful)

Randle_Revar (229304) | about 2 years ago | (#41780251)

Damn, I hate sports. Or to be more accurate, I don't like sports fans. I am not a fan of playing 90+% of team sports, but a few are ok. But watching pro sports? Bleh! And the people that do are mostly just terrible.

Anyway, Sports fans will fit in much better with the Call of Modern Combat 12 fans, and as such, should stick to the Xbox or possibly the PS. Nintendo is for people that like happy, fun games.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1, Interesting)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | about 2 years ago | (#41779339)

You can't get Amazon or Hulu outside the US. Netflix is seriously underpowered outside the US as well.

I have a Universal remote. It was $10 at what used to be Radio Shack.

I have a browser in everything. Even my microwave can run Chrome. The shittiest browser I've ever used, and I include the one I wrote in College using BCB+, was the whatever the fuck Nintendo has on the Wii. The browser on my WATCH is better and it doesn't even have an Internet connection.

Nintendo banks on their legacy games, and frankly their selection is terrible compared to the other consoles.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41779841)

Opera. The Wii had Opera.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1)

kwandar (733439) | about 2 years ago | (#41779847)

"You can't get Amazon or Hulu outside the US. Netflix is seriously underpowered outside the US as well."

I live in Canada - actually you can. You just have to know how :)

"I have a Universal remote. It was $10 at what used to be Radio Shack."

I have one too, and it is a $200 (now $179) Harmony that configures my Sony stereo, PS3, Wii, and Pansonic TV for usage. I'd rather the TVii if it works as it has both Bluetooth and IR and currently my Harmony only supports IR

" The shittiest browser I've ever used, and I include the one I wrote in College using BCB+, was the whatever the fuck Nintendo has on the Wii. The browser on my WATCH is better and it doesn't even have an Internet connection"

Well, the one on Nintendo is Opera. Opera is miles, and miles ahead of whatever it is on my PS3. I use Chrome and I like Chrome, but I don't find that I have a major problem with Opera.

"Nintendo banks on their legacy games, and frankly their selection is terrible compared to the other consoles."

I hadn't played with the Wii for a couple years now (using PS3) but then repaired the noisy drive recently and introduced my daughter to it. I think it is a great system for a 6 year old. She LOVES making Miis, likes Donkey Konga, and Wii Sports. I don't have a lot of legacy games on the Wii beyond Donkey Konga and I'd argue the selection is only terrible because they are geared towards kids. That seems to be changing with Wii U.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (5, Funny)

malraid (592373) | about 2 years ago | (#41778903)

Dude, chill... It's only a new console. Now, if Apple were to release an iPhone in a different color, that would be real news!

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41778965)

Why do they care what color their iPhone is when most of the Sheeple shove them up their asses?

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1)

Custard Horse (1527495) | about 2 years ago | (#41779365)

You're right - we need a brown iPhone...

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41778947)

I, for one, am a Nintendo fanboy. I have really only ever purchased systems from the Big N. I agree with this author that Nintendo doesn't get the love they deserve. It is not like Nintendo made a mistake to not attract hard-core gamers with the Wii. It was an intentional business decision (which paid off huge as the Wii flew off the shelves and loved by families). The hard-core community may have felt slighted, but this is unfair.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (4, Insightful)

nedlohs (1335013) | about 2 years ago | (#41779159)

It's not unfair, it's an expected part of the intentional business decision. If the casual market has moved on to tablets and smartphones though that very successful short and medium term decision mightn't have been so great in the long term.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1)

BagOBones (574735) | about 2 years ago | (#41778973)

I don't know, when the Wii U controller was announced stuff like this http://www.macstories.net/news/ipad-games-on-apple-tv-firemint-announces-real-racing-2-hd-with-ios-5-airplay-mirroring/ [macstories.net] had already landed.

If you already own a tablet that can stream to your TV why purchase a dedicated console with a limited tablet LIKE controller?

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (2)

baka_toroi (1194359) | about 2 years ago | (#41779187)

If you already own a tablet that can stream to your TV

You can't compare. I mean, I'm sure a lot of casuals won't care (And that's why Nintendo will have it much harder this generation), but playing without dedicated buttons and analog controllers is bullshit. Only a limited set of genres can successfully be played with only a touchscreen.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1, Flamebait)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | about 2 years ago | (#41779007)

Because it sucks, Nintendo sucks, that is why. At least people over the age of 8 think so. People over the age of 8 don't need another Mario and Zelda delivery platform with a gimmick controller.

I think Nintendo burnt all their bridges with the Wii, 80 million people have the Wii collecting dust in their closet are not going to invest more money into another Wii.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41779069)

Over the age of 8 but under the age of 13

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41779073)

Because it sucks, Nintendo sucks, that is why. At least people over the age of 8 think so.

I'm glad you asked everyone to check!

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1)

baka_toroi (1194359) | about 2 years ago | (#41779207)

Yeah! Enough of rehashes! Now let's all play another round of Call of Halo 9.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (5, Insightful)

killmenow (184444) | about 2 years ago | (#41779263)

I was going to down-mod you as troll or flamebait but fuck it...I'll respond instead. I'll probably regret it later. I was a Wii early adopter. Had it reserved ahead of schedule and skipped the lines to just walk in and pick it up on day one. We have probably 50 games for it. Up to that point, I'd never bought a current gen console. I've never invested so much money in a console platform. I bought a PS1 when the PS2 came out. But when the Wii was coming out, I couldn't wait. Because it was that interesting. It was a game changer. Now you've got kinect and move and you can see how this thing forced Sony and Microsoft to innovate.

And our Wii gets played almost daily. Between my kids, the wife, and me, it gets plenty of use. Still.

So you think the Wii sucks. You and your XBOX/PS3 brethren, most likely. But "sucks" isn't an objective measure, is it? It doesn't suck...for me and my family and our friends and their families because I know a lot of them that still play.

But I have ZERO interest in the Wii U. Not because it sucks. But because...well, why should I care? It's a Wii with a better CPU & GPU and a tablet controller. Okay. But people who bought the Wii in the first place aren't graphics snobs. Oh, wait. Many of them must be, right? Because 80 million people have dust covered Wiis that they don't play with any more. What a ridiculous statement. If that were even remotely true, the market for new & used Wii games would be nonexistent. Any new game released (if there were any) would be sold for $1.99. And used games would sell for a nickel. But last time I walked through a local Game Stop there were still rows and rows of shelves with new & used Wii games still selling for typical prices. Because it's still a viable market. Because people still use their Wiis.

But again, what does the Wii U offer? I don't care about super awesome triangle counts and NOW WITH EVEN MORE PIXEL SHADERS!!! Wooh, who gives a fuck?! People who just want to look at a screen and think, "sweet jesus that's a beautiful looking game." Guess what? That's what my gaming PC is for. It can drive higher than 1080p resolutions and do multi-monitor gaming and makes the power of the XBOX/PS3 look exactly like they are: years old and obsolete.

Nintendo forgot their market. The new controller is the *only* remarkable feature of the Wii U. And it's not that big of a deal, really. Sorry to say it, but there's just nothing revolutionary about it. It's an evolutionary product. It's a "Version 2.0" that should be a point release if we are honest about it. And it gets exactly the hype it deserves...which is very little.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (2)

baka_toroi (1194359) | about 2 years ago | (#41779389)

It's a Wii with a better CPU & GPU and a tablet controller.

Even though I somewhat agree with you, bear in mind that a better CPU/GPU allows for new kinds of games. I, for instance, love my Nintendo DS but it's painfully obvious when I play a GameBoy Advance game. It's not only better graphics: GBA's gameplay is much worse than that of the DS.

Sure, it won't be a jump as remarkable as that of the SNES vs. Nintendo 64, but better hardware allows for improved gameplay.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1)

Golddess (1361003) | about 2 years ago | (#41780349)

GBA's gameplay is much worse than that of the DS.

I'm curious what you mean by "gameplay" here, because I'm having a hard time calling the gameplay "worse". Sure, GBA games may not be as "advanced" (for lack of a better word) as a DS game, but the FF re-releases, the Mario re-releases, Kirby, Zelda, Metroid, Megaman EXE, Megaman Zero, Harvest Moon, I can't really say that using my DS has in any way made those games less playable.

But those are just a small subset of available games, and this is just my personal experience, so perhaps yours has been different and/or with different games.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (2)

Viol8 (599362) | about 2 years ago | (#41779617)

"I don't care about super awesome triangle counts and NOW WITH EVEN MORE PIXEL SHADERS!!! Wooh, who gives a fuck?! "

Err, people who want decent graphics? Sure , gameplay is important, but there are many 1990s DOS games with damn good gameplay. Why not go invest in a 15 year old PC for $2 and install every game from that era you can find for peanuts if you don't give a damn about the visuals?

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (2)

kwandar (733439) | about 2 years ago | (#41780069)

Well as a parent I'd agree with a lot of what you said. I bought ours in 2006, and in the last couple of year our Wii has been one of those collecting dust due to it being noisy. I finally decided to do brain surgery on it, and fixed the noisy drive, and it is now being played in again.

All that being said, I preordered the Wii-U, and did so for a few reasons:

1) We have Netflix, a drive full of movies, BBC and a pile of other things (nope, no cable :), a bunch of hardware, that I'd like to consolidate and control through one remote. I don't think I'm the only one, which is why Harmony make out like bandits selling very pricey remotes;

2) I don't have to go finding disks each time and am hopeful the Wii online store will contain the games on Wii that get played regularly;

3) I'm looking forward (VERY MUCH) to the asymmetrical gameplay elements; [venturebeat.com]

4) I like more "hard core" games as well, and this game allows for that (along with differentiated play types).

I don't think Nintendo forgot their market at all, but not all the market will move immediately. Wait :)

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1)

barc0001 (173002) | about 2 years ago | (#41780361)

I'm going to have to disagree a little here. The controller and the uprated graphics are the only really new features of the WiiU, correct. But the controller does bring a whole lot to the equation. It's like the difference between the Game Boy Advance and the Nintendo DS. When you boil it down the only "real" functional differences between those two systems for most people is the DS has two more buttons, a more powerful processor and the addition of the touchscreen. From an experience standpoint the two systems are on different planets. The touchscreen and second display added a lot to the DS's games that take advantage of them. Some games were crappy shovelware, true, but others embraced the new abilities of the DS and literally revolutionized portable gaming.

It's my hope that the WiiU does the same for the living room.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41780363)

Okay. But people who bought the Wii in the first place aren't graphics snobs.

Just because someone may prioritize game play over graphics doesn't mean they don't care about graphics. I still regularly use the Wii I got shortly after release, but as long as game play isn't sacrificed, I would like to see better graphics for such games. Game play is why I still play some games with ASCII graphics... but doesn't meant I wouldn't mind seeing some of them done with much easier and streamlined graphical interfaces.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41780407)

I personally feel that the Wii U is what Nintendo should have released originally (minus the controller), so it's hard to get excited about it.

        "And our Wii gets played almost daily. Between my kids, the wife, and me, it gets plenty of use. Still. "

Well sir then you are definately in the minority in my experience. I know 6 different people with Wii's and young kids and only 1 gets any use at all. I personally haven't turned ours on in over 2 years (last game I bought was Tiger Woods 11 and that made game number 2 in our catalog).

Good for you that your family still finds it entertaining, but unfortunately the Wii (OMHO) fell into the typical Nintendo trap of flooding the market with uninspired games targeted at the sub 10y market (and most not even worthy of their attention).

The only reason I hold onto it is the same reason I keep my xbox360. I'm hoping that my 4yr old will find some things on it entertaining (the kinect is a blast for young kids) and that maybe there will be something educational/entertaining that she will enjoy.

Otherwise the last 2 nintendo systems I've purchased (Wii and N64) have been colossal waste of money in my book and I will never buy another Nintendo console.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (3, Insightful)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about 2 years ago | (#41779607)

Thankfully, we don't rely on the "people" you cite for informed decisions, since clearly they are incapable of forming opinions through a rational thought process.

Also, it's only a gimmick if it's used as a gimmick. The Wiimote is not a gimmick (unlike the ridiculous number of gimmick peripherals Nintendo puts out every generation). It's what makes the platform what it is, since it defines and informs the behavior of nearly every game. That stands in contrast to the PS3's Move, which was only ever a slap-in feature that served no important purpose for the platform as a whole, or even the Kinect, which, while very impressive technologically, doesn't do much outside of a handful of games (though that sounds like it may change in the next generation with Kinect 2?).

Long story short, grow up a bit more and stop buying into marketing. Though I'll readily admit that the last few years on the Wii haven't been great for more-than-casual gamers, it still had quite a few excellent titles that came out for it in the first few years, and was well worth the purchase price. When you're mature enough to think through these things with a degree of intellectual honesty while analyzing the actual good and bad aspects of the various alternative choices, you'll be a lot happier (as will those around you, since nobody likes vitriol and rabid fanboyism).

Disclaimer: I own all three current-gen consoles and am currently not planning to pick up the Wii U since it can't act as a drop-in replacement for my Wii (lack of Gamecube support, of which I still have several games that I want to work through "soon").

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1)

thomasw_lrd (1203850) | about 2 years ago | (#41779767)

Is that why all the pre-orders are sold out? If not, please post me where I can still pre-order one. I need to get one for my kids for Christmas. Plus I'm sure I'll want to play a few games on it.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1)

kwandar (733439) | about 2 years ago | (#41779883)

"Because it sucks, Nintendo sucks, that is why. At least people over the age of 8 think so"

Since you likely haven't used the Wii U, I presume you are talking about the Wii? You are so obviously not a parent; a lot of us parents over the age of 8 think it's actually pretty good.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41779035)

It should be illegal to sell at a loss, for competition and environmental reasons.

Captcha: baneful

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41779055)

I think the Wii U isn't getting the grassroots hype because those that could be taken in by all the interesting possibilities of the control scheme were already taken in by all the interesting possibilities of the Wii, and, like many others, their Wiis are sitting there gathering dust. With the exception of how useful it becomes once soft-modded to run homebrew and run games off attached drives, the potential has been mostly squandered short of a few keynote 1st party titles. And even THOSE keynote titles are just really "Established Franchise Iteration+1: Now With Some Motion / Pointing Control".

Even the main innovation in the Wii U isn't really that innovative, IMO, considering it's merely an extension of the old GBA to GC scheme. Sure, the graphics are better, and making it standard equipment means you don't have to beg users to buy a bunch of accessories to make it a first-class experience, but does it really add anything?

Frankly I think Nintendo, for all their faults (most notably, their admittedly piss-poor online support), kind of gets the short-shrift in the gaming community. Their systems may not have the cutting edge CPU's and GPU's, but they do what they do pretty well. And they offer a pretty good bargain most of the time. I think they're underrated myself and wish they got more respect. Not every console and handheld has to cater 100% to hardcore gamers, you know.

The fact is Nintendo is still just completely arrogant. That's the only way I can describe them since they still have awful online support in the face of so many case-studies available on how to do it right. They still represent some of the highest price to cost ratio for the official development kits in the business, and that's only after they consider you worthy of releasing on their systems. This worthiness doesn't seem to improve the selection of 3rd party software, either, since so much of what comes out is shovelware or just insanely low quality. I even wonder if 3rd party developers even get the same SDK that Nintendo internal development uses.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (3, Interesting)

demonbug (309515) | about 2 years ago | (#41779105)

The controller raises a lot of interesting possibilities (though it's a little bulky for my tastes). And, unlike some, I think that the $300-$350 price tag is fine (compared to the $600 debut price tag of the PS3, that's a frickin' bargain bin price!). But I haven't been hearing a lot of buzz about it, considering it's supposed to be launching next month. I know it's supposed to be as powerful as the PS3/360. And, of course, I know about the controller. But I haven't heard much about the debut game lineup. And even gamer podcasts and shows don't seem to be giving it much attention.

Frankly I think Nintendo, for all their faults (most notably, their admittedly piss-poor online support), kind of gets the short-shrift in the gaming community. Their systems may not have the cutting edge CPU's and GPU's, but they do what they do pretty well. And they offer a pretty good bargain most of the time. I think they're underrated myself and wish they got more respect. Not every console and handheld has to cater 100% to hardcore gamers, you know.

I think you've kind of answered your own questions. $300-$350 for a console with the same power as consoles that have been out for five years (and that you can get for less). A focus on casual gamers for the previous console generation (or two), which doesn't exactly attract a lot of attention in the gaming world. A control scheme significantly different from the other main consoles, which means it will only really shine with games exclusive to that console - but a worrying lack of information on launch and first-party titles doesn't exactly instill confidence that there will be a decent library.

Now news that they are going to release an under-powered console, with a limited selection of games, at a loss. That doesn't exactly help me feel confident about the future of the console (or of Nintendo, for that matter). It will probably do just fine, but I don't really see much to get excited about. I know lots of people that bought a Wii, used it for a few months, and basically gave up on it because every game that was released that made use of the unique control scheme seemed to be more of a tech demo than a game. Maybe some really cool games did eventually come out, but if so it was long after interest had waned. The WiiU seems to be a repeat of that - interesting concept, great potential, but unless they have some full-fledged, finished games at launch that make good use of the controllers, it's not going to get much attention from the gaming community.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41779107)

Why do I want an uncomfortably large controller with an awful quality LCD to play the same rehashed crap that was on the Wii. My Wii collected dust as is.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1)

Tempest_2084 (605915) | about 2 years ago | (#41779253)

The main reason I'm not excited about the Wii U is because none of the launch titles interest me. Sure the new Super Mario Bros game is nice, but I'm not buying a whole new console just for that. I'm sure I'll get one eventually, but at the moment I have such a backlog of games for my current-gen systems that I don't need to run out and buy another. There's just not enough of a 'wow factor' to make me grab one on launch day.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1)

WillAdams (45638) | about 2 years ago | (#41779353)

Agreed.

It doesn't help that I'm still raging about _The Last Story_ inexplicably _not_ having an _option_ for using IR pointing when aiming the crossbow or looking around. _Xenoblade Chronicles_ not using motion controls was bad enough, but at least it didn't rub it in one's face --- TLS actually makes me angry every time I encounter the Seek prompt, or need to use the crossbow.

The sad thing is, some of the games which I've enjoyed the most were on the Wii (Red Steel 2, Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, 007 Goldeneye) and it seems that that style of gameplay is not being carried on for new games on the Wii U.

Announce a Motion Plus controlled RPG w/ a commitment to on-going DLC and w/ an on-line experience as good as or better than TLS and I'll buy a Wii U --- until then, I'll wait for the next Zelda (so long as it uses Skyward Sword-style Motion Plus controls).

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1)

kwandar (733439) | about 2 years ago | (#41780201)

The sad thing is, some of the games which I've enjoyed the most were on the Wii (Red Steel 2, Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, 007 Goldeneye) and it seems that that style of gameplay is not being carried on for new games on the Wii U

Not sure this matches your style of gameplay but take a look at:

Zombi U [wikipedia.org]

Fist of the North Star [wikipedia.org]

Ninja Gaiden [wikipedia.org]

For a launch there seems to be a good selection, but if the games don't match what you want I agree - why by the console.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1)

Randle_Revar (229304) | about 2 years ago | (#41780365)

>Zelda

All I want in that regard is a new isometric-view game (not on a portable)...

I never really got into the 3D ones...

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1)

alen (225700) | about 2 years ago | (#41779269)

nothing to get hyped about

old graphics
same games
dumb tablet controller idea
no ios/android remote control app support

i have an x-box, PS3 and apple TV with ipad 2 and 2 iphone 5's in the house. gaming the x-box and iphones are my favorite. the A6 CPU is right about the xbox 360 level as well and i can take it everywhere i go and the games are CHEAP

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1)

Holammer (1217422) | about 2 years ago | (#41779335)

From the small sample size I can work with (that is my friends that do play games). I would guess nobody cares because the controller is pants taco retarded.
That's about it. Most people are semi-excited about what sort of games Nintendo might bring to the console. But any hope is crushed when one realizes that most games will have gameplay mechanics based around the controller shoehorned into them.

Also, I suspect that a majority of 3rd party titles will be a bunch of rehashed ports. Nobody will design a new exclusive title that is built around the controller for a new console with less hype surrounding it than the PS VITA.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1)

sunderland56 (621843) | about 2 years ago | (#41779367)

Nobody gets hyped about *any* game system until there is a game, exclusive to that platform, that is interesting. If a new game comes out, and I can buy it for $60 for my current console, or $60 + $300 for the Wii U, it's not hard to guess which option I'll pick.

As far as 'selling at a loss' goes - hasn't every console from every manufacturer, way back to the N64, claimed that?

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (2)

damnbunni (1215350) | about 2 years ago | (#41779711)

Nintendo has traditionally sold consoles at a profit. The N64 was at a loss, but to the best of my knowledge all their other consoles were profitable from day one.

They may have taken a loss on the 3DS when they drastically pricedropped it shortly after release. (Though that seems to have really jumpstarted sales, in Japan at least, so it was probably worth it.)

It's usually a fairly slim profit at launch, but it's there.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (4, Insightful)

Eponymous Coward (6097) | about 2 years ago | (#41779399)

People aren't more hyped because console gaming just isn't that interesting anymore. In our house we have a Wii and a PS3. My kids have iPod touches, my wife has an iPad. Lots of video games are played in my house - all of them on the handheld devices. I'm the only one who ever powers up the PS3 anymore and that's to play Rocksmith once or twice a month.

The console makers aren't just competing with each other, they are also competing with platforms that have free and very low cost games. I really have a hard time spending more than $10 for a game these days. There are just too many awesome low cost choices out there these days and I don't have enough time to take advantage of all of them.

Flat sheet of glass (2)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#41779817)

My kids have iPod touches, my wife has an iPad. Lots of video games are played in my house - all of them on the handheld devices.

How well do platformers and fighting games work on a device whose only input is a flat sheet of glass? I tried playing some classic games on my Nexus 7, but my thumbs kept missing the buttons on the on-screen gamepad because the screen gave me zero tactile feedback as to where my thumbs were.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (2)

blahplusplus (757119) | about 2 years ago | (#41779423)

"Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U?"

The Wii had a plethora of bad games, it ended up being Gamecube Redux in terms of software and Nintendo's first party games have been getting lower in quality every generation outside of mario. Starfox has been butchered by miyamoto, Zelda has learned nothing from other action games in how to do dungeon crawling right. Nintendo is stuck in the past.

If I were Nintendo I would split the Zelda franchise into hardcore and casual. Zelda has not grown as other gamers have grown up. The combat systems in zelda are not deep, challenging and exciting to play with. The enemies are all stuck at a childishly easy level of difficulty. Even great games like Ocarina of time have not aged well because so many lessons have been learned since then on how to make better games.

I speak as along time fan who grew up on the NES, GENESIS and SNES. The magic of nintendo is gone, other developers do same or similar games much better. I'd say the only thing Nintendo has going is inertia, Mario, Mariokart and Pokemon.

I've been doing a lot of retro gaming recently and playing older ARCADE classics. Many modern games have forgotten that challenge and designing a videogame to be a GAME first and not a really crappy movie with next to no gameplay catering to tenuous ganers or non-gamers.

The myth that videogames have gone 'mainstream' is incorrect, graphical hardware horsepower has attracted an audience that doesn't games as videogames but cinematic experiences and that means gameplay has been getting killed over the last 10 years.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1)

Alzheimers (467217) | about 2 years ago | (#41779425)

Because many of us bought into the Wii hype, were bitten by poorly implemented controls and worse 3rd Party support, a flood of shovelware, plus the fact that many of us already own a console that will feature many of the games we want ported over without any loss of quality, better online support, and doesn't require us to switch HDMI cables to support another box.

Enough reasons?

How about ... it could also be the $299/349 pricetag and the raise of game prices to $59.99 in a bad economy, not having as much time to spend on games, the rise of Steam and iOS, Microsoft SmartGlass which does much of the same thing as the Wii U controller so it's not so 'revolutionary', and the lack of a new Mario (a sequel to a game on the 3DS or Wii isn't going to cut it), Zelda, Metroid, SSB, MarioKart or any other core franchise at launch.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41779467)

Because it's not a gaming console- it's a gaming oriented tablet that displays output on your TV. The Wii U targets an audience that doesn't yet exist- the serious Angry Birds player.

The people who prefer to game on a touch-based or motion-based platform as opposed to a keyboard/mouse or a gaming controller are the ones who already do that with a tablet or just with their smartphone. Why would they drop the platforms they already own and have already bought tons of games on?

More importantly- why should the target audience buy a Wii U over an iPad?

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1)

kwandar (733439) | about 2 years ago | (#41779507)

For all the lack of "hype" (I'd agree with you in North America, at least) they still seem to have sold out, and according to Fudzilla [fudzilla.com] Nintendo will be hard pressed to keep up with demand. So ... how much advertising and marketing do you throw out there when you can't even keep up, as is? Kind of like throwing money away. That being said I've seen a lot about Zombi U, Nintendo Land, and some Nintendo Mario game? The major attribute that Nintendo has going for it (outside of the current large Wii audience looking for an upgrade) is that they bring about change (this time the tablet) that they put into ALL units, so there is hardware consistency. Sorry Sony, but a PS3 and PS Vita combination aren't the same; developers can't count on that hardware combination being available in all cases.

Because the technology is 5 years out of date (1)

Viol8 (599362) | about 2 years ago | (#41779559)

Consoles are supposed to showcase cutting edge graphics, not simply play catch up to competitors products that are already long in the tooth. As for the controller? Its a gimmick. If I want hand held gaming I'll use a smartphone, and if I want proper HD gaming I have it on a TV/monitor thanks. Nintendo say its for 2 to play , yeah right, I'm sure one person suffering a small handheld screen is SOOOoo much better than simply split screening the TV. Not.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41779589)

I've used the new controller and the layout is terrible, it could just take some getting used to, but I doubt it, I think there's an ergonomic reason that the buttons on both MS' and Sony's controllers are laid out at an angle from the right analog stick, having the buttons directly below said analog stick sucks horrible ass. You literally can't get back to the stick fast enough to do anything quick and you end up having to move your hand way more to get down to the buttons.

Also, the touch screen is a cool idea, but when you come right down to it it's damned hard to target what they're hoping you can target on that little thing.

For the record, I was playing Trine 2, a great game, but it's a port with new features (and some new content). If that's any indication of how even good third party developers are going to handle that controller... yeah, I wouldn't bet on this particular horse.

The above is merely my personal opinion. I interacted with it at PAX Prime 2012.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (1)

rephlex (96882) | about 2 years ago | (#41779641)

Console-wise I'm considerably more interested in the Ouya. I think the Wii U will be completely forgotten once the next Xbox and Playstation are out. I doubt I will purchase any of them, although I think the Ouya could turn out to be very useful for non-gaming related stuff. Hopefully it will be something like a Raspberry Pi done right as I'm somewhat fed up with all of the Pi's problems. As for gaming, PC gaming has never looked better to me.

Ouya vapor (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#41779849)

Console-wise I'm considerably more interested in the Ouya.

If it comes out soon. I had previously put my interest behind Pandora and the nD, but Pandora was delayed to irrelevance, and the nD has had no news in the past year.

Re:Ouya vapor (1)

rephlex (96882) | about 2 years ago | (#41780081)

Console-wise I'm considerably more interested in the Ouya.

If it comes out soon. I had previously put my interest behind Pandora and the nD, but Pandora was delayed to irrelevance, and the nD has had no news in the past year.

We'll know by March next year. With the amount of money they've raised via Kickstarter and the big names in support it would be a absolute travesty if the Ouya turns out to be vapour. I'm confident it won't be. I wish they did status updates more frequently though.

Same Old Story (2)

oGMo (379) | about 2 years ago | (#41779761)

The controller raises a lot of interesting possibilities

Just like the Wii! And the GameCube! And the N64! Yet, somehow, none of these "interesting possbilities" ever seem to pan out into a large library of games.

But I haven't been hearing a lot of buzz about it, considering it's supposed to be launching next month. I know it's supposed to be as powerful as the PS3/360.

Wow, it's just as powerful as the consoles I've had for the last 5 years. And it's going to cost more than they have in a long time. And guess what! Instead of one of those puny 500GB PS3-with-a-game bundles, we're going to get a whole 32GB flash, and a piece of crap. Yawn. They could try a lot harder.

But I haven't heard much about the debut game lineup.

Then you haven't been paying attention. [digitaltrends.com] It's going to have some games at launch: a lot of non-exclusives with a few bizarre exclusives (Bayonetta 2?) and yet more rehashing of old Nintendo franchises.

Frankly I think Nintendo, for all their faults (most notably, their admittedly piss-poor online support), kind of gets the short-shrift in the gaming community. Their systems may not have the cutting edge CPU's and GPU's, but they do what they do pretty well.

This is utter BS and I'll tell you why Nintendo is getting well-deserved apathy: games. The NES and SNES had amazing lineups of games that are still playable today. The N64 started a long line of bad decisions for Nintendo: tiny cartridges; it had Mario64 and Zelda64 that were genre-defining games, but little else that stands up. The GameCube had slightly more, but due to tiny disc size and bizarrely-different controller, the lineup wasn't huge. Still, I'd take it over the Wii, which has nothing defining, lots of rehashing (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, few of them any good), and the occasionally good third-party title Nintendo refuses to import (Xenoblade).

It's not (just) because Nintendo panned the community by repeatedly insulting the "hard-core" constituents, it's a continuing downward spiral of crap gaming library. Granted, this hasn't been the last-last generation where I packed six shelves with just the good PS2 games, but the PS3 has a solid three shelves, and the 360 has a good two shelves, and I don't give a crap where any of the Wii games are.

Now I should be excited about the Wii U, which is just now playing catchup with last gen and getting lots of ports? Sony is already pushing to have the Vita and PS3 interact to kill whatever "interesting possbilities" the WiiU wants to hold exclusive. Love or hate Sony, they can build a platform that has a game library worth playing. If Microsoft does something similar with smartphones or the Surface, say bye to any interest in the Wii U from anyone.

Wii Sucked (1)

TheNinjaroach (878876) | about 2 years ago | (#41779873)

Because the Wii sucked. First party games were great, but the online experience universally sucked across the platform. Third party games, when released for Wii at all, were appalling compared to their competing console counterparts. The Virtual Console is one of the coolest ideas I've ever seen in a console, but Nintendo said "screw the US" and released a paltry number of games for sale.

After my incredible disappointment with the Wii, and the now completely useless PS3 I bought, I'm pretty certain I'll never buy another console again.

Re:Why aren't people more hyped about the Wii U? (2)

Randle_Revar (229304) | about 2 years ago | (#41780105)

For me a lot of things add up. Note that I was excited about the original Wii, and still like it a lot.

The controller seems much more like a gimmick to me. I liked the motion control possibilities of the first one (and it was put to some good use, if never quite what could have been IMO), but this seems a lot less useful. Oh, there certainly are some uses, it may be very useful for a few games. But I see it being less used than the motion control.

The power I am pretty much ok with. The Wii was less powerful, and it is mostly fine for what it does. However, I am pissed that the Wii U does not upscale Wii games to HD. That is one of the biggest limits on the Wii to me. And the emulator upscales! Why the hell won't the Wii U? Yeah, it was a mistake not making the Wii HD in the first place, and yeah, upscaled will never look like native. But it is something!

Another issue is, as you noted, the online situation. Like the HD, the lack of a decent system for online play was basically inexcusable even back at release. And unlike the HD issue, the Wii U still doesn't fix it, even for new games. It sounds like there is a bit more infrastructure in place, but not enough to be worthwhile.

I haven't owned a console of my own since I was a kid, but since my brother likes his PS3 and doesn't much care for his Wii, I was thinking of getting a Wii U. But I am not sure I see the point if it doesn't upscale Wii games.

Oh yeah bitches (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41778907)

First post up in this hizzy. Keepin it real.

Shout out to JC

Rollover ad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41778943)

Totally off-topic but is anyone else annoyed by the Windows Server ad at the top of the page that expands when you mouse over it? Makes navigating the home page a pain!

Volume! (0, Flamebait)

Tanktalus (794810) | about 2 years ago | (#41779025)

Oh, I get it. They'll sell each individual unit at a loss, but they'll make up for it in volume!

I think they still have the "???" step right before that "Profit!" step in their plan.

Re:Volume! (3, Informative)

Desler (1608317) | about 2 years ago | (#41779099)

They make it up by their higher profit first-party games and licensing fees from third-party developers.

Re:Volume! (1)

trdrstv (986999) | about 2 years ago | (#41779901)

They make it up by their higher profit first-party games and licensing fees from third-party developers.

and don't forget all the additional controllers / adapters and add-ons they come up with!

it's ok (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41779043)

they'll sell at a loss, but make it up on volume

Seems expensive? (4, Interesting)

NinjaTekNeeks (817385) | about 2 years ago | (#41779057)

Article mentions 250GBP for the unit which is about $ 400 US. That seems like a hefty tag for a Nintendo, which historically has been cheaper than MSFT and Sony. Game pad is another 160 $ for standalone play.

500$ buys me about 10 new video games or 15-20 sale games for my 360 or steam account, I probably won't be running out to pick this up.

Re:Seems expensive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41779221)

UK to US cost conversion rarely works out favourably. I paid 250gbp for a launch Wii with maybe one extra controller. Interestingly DVD piracy became a home venture once the drives hit just below 250 each. They're what, 15 now.

Re:Seems expensive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41779277)

GBP prices are usually 1:1 equivalent to US prices. They do not follow exchange rates. Therefore the Wii U will be 250-300 bucks.

Re:Seems expensive? (1)

Narishma (822073) | about 2 years ago | (#41779407)

Article mentions 250GBP for the unit which is about $ 400 US.

That's not how it works. You can't deduce the price in your country by converting from a known currency. It wouldn't surprise me if it ends up costing only $250 or $300 in the US. Consumer electronics are generally much more expensive in Europe than in the US.

Re:Seems expensive? (2)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#41779867)

Some reasons for this price difference include different expectations of warranty, more effort needed for translation of the user interface, whether sales tax is included in the price (Europe) or not (USA), distance from the factories in China, and the like.

Re:Seems expensive? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41780155)

This is a fair point. As a European I have 5 years warranty on everything that is meant to to last meaningfully more than 2 years, so 3-4 years expected lifetime go to 5. Although we'd be fooling ourselves if we think that does not translate into somewhat higher prices.

Re:Seems expensive? (2)

hobarrera (2008506) | about 2 years ago | (#41780419)

I'm sure the 150USD difference must be to cover the translation of the entire UI from en_us to en_gb. Imagine the amount of effort and people you need to achieve this!!

Real power? (4, Interesting)

SuperMooCow (2739821) | about 2 years ago | (#41779239)

I've read some comments that say the Wii U is "as powerful as an Xbox360/PS3", however I've also read articles that mentioned the Wii U is two generations ahead of the other two consoles [cinemablend.com] ... so, which one is it?

Butthurt Xbox360 and PS3 owners spreading FUD about the new Nintendo system now that they have to comment about how gameplay is more important than graphics, or dumbass writers who will say anything to have people read their articles?

Do we even know the specifications of the Wii U's GPU to make such comparisons?

Re:Real power? (4, Informative)

Narishma (822073) | about 2 years ago | (#41779451)

It has more memory (about twice as much, if you remove the 1 GB reserved for the system) and a more modern and faster GPU than the PS360 but the CPU is lacking even compared to that of the 360. In the end it makes the console a bit faster but not by much and it will have to compete with the next generation of Sony and MS consoles which are expected in about a year or so.

Re:Real power? (1)

trdrstv (986999) | about 2 years ago | (#41779627)

It has more memory (about twice as much, if you remove the 1 GB reserved for the system) and a more modern and faster GPU than the PS360 but the CPU is lacking even compared to that of the 360.

Do you have a source for the CPU ? I never found anything that stated how fast it is and how many cores only that it's an IBM PowerPC chip (which isn't surprising since the Gamecube, Wii and X-Box 360 all use some derivative of that).

As for RAM keep in mind MS and Sony reserve memory for their systems as well, they just don't tell us how much.

PS3 has 256 MB of System RAM and 256 MB of GPU RAM.

X-Box 360 has 512 MB of RAM that can be used for Either.

Wii U has 2 GB of system RAM / half dedicated to games only. the other half to OS and GPU.

Re:Real power? (4, Informative)

trdrstv (986999) | about 2 years ago | (#41779461)

I've read some comments that say the Wii U is "as powerful as an Xbox360/PS3", however I've also read articles that mentioned the Wii U is two generations ahead of the other two consoles [cinemablend.com] ... so, which one is it?

Butthurt Xbox360 and PS3 owners spreading FUD about the new Nintendo system now that they have to comment about how gameplay is more important than graphics, or dumbass writers who will say anything to have people read their articles?

Do we even know the specifications of the Wii U's GPU to make such comparisons?

The Wii U being "As powerful as the PS3 / 360" is FUD. It's more powerful and really that isn't hard to do on a budget, considering those consoles are both over 6 years old. One other telling factor is if you notice the 3rd party games that are multiform COD, AC3, etc... are running natively at 1080p60 on Wii U and not on the PS3 / 360. This is also with first generation non-optimized code for the Wii U, pretty safe to say it IS more powerful than it's Current gen rivals.

some specs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_u#Technical_specifications [wikipedia.org]

Re:Real power? (1)

xero314 (722674) | about 2 years ago | (#41779573)

The article you are referencing says that the Wii U's graphics processor could be "at least a two generations ahead" of the existing consoles. This is not the entirety of the console, and was simply refering to the "shader capabilities, shadowing and lighting effects" and only then it's considering a "generation" to being a new version of Direct X, which is not nearly the same as what a generation is in the normal console sense.

This is not only a miss leading comparison, it has no really baring of processing capability, and is only a portion of the total capabilities of a video game console.

I'm not knocking the Wii U, since I have yet to see one in use and actually think new controlled concept will have a lot more game affect than the waggle of the Wii, I'm just saying you need to understand the details of an article when you are going to use it to justify your name calling of fellow gamers.

Re:Real power? (1)

badpool (1721056) | about 2 years ago | (#41779675)

I suppose it depends on what the developers are comparing. I've read the GPU is pretty well ahead of current console hardware, but the CPU is not. The power consumption should be lower as well, which won't make games look prettier, but might factor into the whole "how advanced the hardware is" issue. The statements have been so ambiguous, it's hard to tell...

Re:Real power? (1)

dadelbunts (1727498) | about 2 years ago | (#41779741)

I doubt any PS3 or Xbox360 owner really gives a shit honestly. The top selling console has rarely been the one with the most power. Xbox360,ps2,ps1. Not to mention the WiiU is a next gen console, and will no doubt be the slowest of all three next gen consoles.

It's not that it's underpowered... (5, Interesting)

realmolo (574068) | about 2 years ago | (#41779289)

It *is* a little underpowered for a system coming out in 2012, but honestly it's powerful enough. We've reached a bit of a plateau with graphics on consoles. PS3 and 360 games look *damn good*. If the WiiU can do that, people will be happy.

The bigger problem for the WiiU is that I think the console market has changed. People have SO MANY gaming options these days that game consoles just aren't as interesting as they used to be. Especially for the price. Nintendo wants to sell this thing for $400, but that buys you an iPad.

Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft need to realize that they don't have the gaming market to themselves anymore. Not like they used to, anyway. And in this economy, cost is king. If they think they are going to be selling new consoles for $400, they are nuts.

Honestly, I think that both Sony and Microsoft should keep their current consoles alive indefinitely. I mean, why not? Keep lowering the price, and keep them alive. I'd love to be able to pick up an fully-loaded 360 with a Kinect for $100 in 2016, and still have new games coming out for it. Like I said, we've reached a bit of a plateau with consoles. Why not stay on that plateau for a while?

Re:It's not that it's underpowered... (2)

Custard Horse (1527495) | about 2 years ago | (#41779455)

Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft need to realize that they don't have the gaming market to themselves anymore

What goes around, comes around e.g. a decade ago...

"Nintendo and Sony need to realize that they don't have the gaming market to themselves anymore"

...which is precisely how Microsoft stole the rug from under them with the 360. Now the three companies are losing ground to Apple and Google.

I wonder if there will be another cycle in the the next decade or if one or more of the companies fold or are taken over? Nintendo seems the weakest but Sony seem more likely to leave the games industry after having been caught with their hands in the till on more than one occasion.

Re:It's not that it's underpowered... (1)

DarkTempes (822722) | about 2 years ago | (#41779799)

Exactly how did Microsoft "[steal] the rug from under" Nintendo (or even Sony)?

The Wii has still outsold both of the other consoles by a large margin: 97 million Wii/67 million 360/64 million PS3).
I don't know the game sales statistics and I imagine Nintendo loses out there but they certainly aren't weak if they have machines in more living rooms.

I think the tablets stealing the casual gamer market concept is largely overhyped. At best I suspect it's competing with the handheld market.
I'm fairly certain that all three companies have made nice profits from the gaming industry and it would be dumb for any of them to exit the market while that holds true.

Re:It's not that it's underpowered... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41779855)

The market is still there. What is not there, is the money. i.e. customers do not have the money to afford them after buying other stuff with higher priority
Cool stuff has a higher priority than a gaming console
Cool portable stuff has even higher priority.
If food prices went insanely high, I bet everything else would lose, not because customers don't wish it (i.e. there is no market), but because they can't afford it.
If people don't buy a gaming console after buying an iSh*t, it is not because said iSh*t covers the market needs, it is because they are left with not enough money for much else and people give a higher priority to the cool factor to whatever iSh*t is currently popular and cool.

Re:It's not that it's underpowered... (1)

trdrstv (986999) | about 2 years ago | (#41779701)

And in this economy, cost is king. If they think they are going to be selling new consoles for $400, they are nuts.

Just a nitpick but, in the US it's $300 or $350 if you buy-up to the Black one with NintendoLand.

Re:It's not that it's underpowered... (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#41779719)

Nintendo wants to sell this thing for $400, but that buys you an iPad.

How many players can use that iPad at once? The Wii U is also compatible with Wii Remotes and Wii Remote extension controllers, such as the Classic Controller Pro, making it nice if you have friends over who don't own or didn't bring iPads.

Re:It's not that it's underpowered... (1)

badpool (1721056) | about 2 years ago | (#41779737)

I kinda wish that too, honestly, but it would probably mean losing market share to PCs as gamers (and developers) decide they want a better looking game. You'd pretty much need to stop advancement of game-oriented hardware, in all its forms, in order to make this happen.

Re:It's not that it's underpowered... (1)

dadelbunts (1727498) | about 2 years ago | (#41779791)

Id agree if videogames on consoles arent some of the highest grossing media that exists. Ipad is fine for very simple games, but cant rival anything that uses a proper controller. Thats like saying the console market was going to disappear in the 90s because of some Tiger Electronics LED power rangers game.

Re:It's not that it's underpowered... (1)

seandiggity (992657) | about 2 years ago | (#41779885)

N64 *is* a little underpowered for a system coming out in 1996, but honestly it's powerful enough. We've reached a bit of a plateau with graphics on consoles. PS and Saturn games look *damn good*. If the N64 can do that, people will be happy.

The bigger problem for the N64 is that I think the console market has changed. People have SO MANY gaming options these days that game consoles just aren't as interesting as they used to be. Especially for the price. Nintendo wants to sell this thing for $250.00, but that buys you a Nomad.

Nintendo, Sony, and Sega need to realize that they don't have the gaming market to themselves anymore. Not like they used to, anyway. And in this economy, cost is king. If they think they are going to be selling new consoles for $250, they are nuts.

Honestly, I think that both Sony and Sega should keep their current consoles alive indefinitely. I mean, why not? Keep lowering the price, and keep them alive. I'd love to be able to pick up an fully-loaded PS with a G Con gun for $100 in 2001, and still have new games coming out for it. Like I said, we've reached a bit of a plateau with consoles. Why not stay on that plateau for a while?

^ TFTFY :P I understand the proliferation of mobile devices and entertainment options present a new challenge to consoles, but gamers are still clamoring for them. It seems to me that consoles persist mainly due to exclusive gaming networks, exclusive content downloads, and DRM that creates entry-level barriers to modding/copying/porting. These are the same weapons that have held off the threat of beefy PCs with better specs, for at least a decade...I assume there are even more lock-in strategies I'm not aware of, since I've been out of the gaming world for a loong time. But the point is, this is not the last generation of consoles, and the console pushers have already managed to stay afloat though a lot of ground has shifted beneath them.

but that buys you an iPad (2)

future assassin (639396) | about 2 years ago | (#41780141)

Seriously am I suppose to hold the iPad as a controller and move it around while I play a game on my TV? How am I going to play fighting games? 10 hit combo? Is an iPad gonna have the same games? Why would I buy and iPad and have a half ass gaming experience compared to a dedicated system. I'd rather have the right tool or the job than some half ass attempt from a text and video consumption pad.

Re:It's not that it's underpowered... (1)

hobarrera (2008506) | about 2 years ago | (#41780429)

You can't have 3 friends over and play on a huge screen with tablets/cell-phones, and that makes a difference, especially with nintendo consoles.

Can a get a gaming computer at this price? (1)

swan5566 (1771176) | about 2 years ago | (#41779565)

The answer was definite "no" with the Wii, but now it's much closer to a "yes" (especially if you want 2 players), and you get all the other benefits of a computer besides gaming. I personally think Nintendo misread why they did so well with the Wii - I personally don't think they'll be repeating that success.

If you want 2 players (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#41779919)

The answer was definite "no" with the Wii, but now it's much closer to a "yes" (especially if you want 2 players)

The trouble is that there aren't enough major label PC games that support two players on one monitor. Comparatively few PC games are in genres designed around multiple players on one monitor, such as fighting games or cooperative platformers. What's the PC counterpart to New Super Mario Bros. Wii or Super Smash Bros. Brawl? Because PCs are traditionally associated with desks, not living rooms, major PC game developers have tended to concentrate on FPS, RTS, and other genres dependent on asymmetric information. So you'd need to buy two PCs for two players.

I'll buy it (1)

quax (19371) | about 2 years ago | (#41779647)

Because my kids and I still enjoy the old Wii, and I like to be able to hang on to the old games and controllers. Also my wife wants Netflix but I don't want yet another device cluttering up the TV shelf space. So the WiiU fits the bill.

Re:I'll buy it (1)

trdrstv (986999) | about 2 years ago | (#41779843)

The Wii does have a Netflix client (hulu+ also). I do however understand if you don't want to tell your wife that if you're using it for leverage to get an upgrade. :)

Re:I'll buy it (1)

quax (19371) | about 2 years ago | (#41780043)

Well there's that :-)

Then again I also don't want to pay for Netflix unless I can put out a HD signal.

a reaction to the 3DS launch (1)

tuffy (10202) | about 2 years ago | (#41779651)

The 3DS was profitable at $250, but it sold slowly so Nintendo reacted by cutting the price to spur sales and put 3rd party developers at ease. They're not going to make the same mistake twice, so launching the WiiU cheap at a temporary loss is a good way to keep sales brisk until component prices fall.

Considering Gamestop alone has ~250k people on the wait list for the console, I think its chances are pretty good.

Nintendo needs to change (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41780395)

Nintendo should follow Sega's lead and get out of the hardware/console business. They could go full software with their library of trademarked characters and probably be more profitable.

will U will be *initially* sold at a loss (1)

postmortem (906676) | about 2 years ago | (#41780437)

and later it will make good profit. All these consoles were like that. once manufacturing of these components gets full steam, they get cheaper in a mass number.

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