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Microsoft Reverses 'Mature' Game Ban On Windows 8

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the finally-thought-it-through dept.

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another random user writes with news that Microsoft has sorted out the Windows Store guidelines such that games rated 'Mature' in the U.S. will be allowed. An earlier version of the guidelines took cues from the European PEGI rating system, which lumps pornographic content into the same rating as mainstream games that involve violence. In the U.S., they're split up into Adult (for porn) and Mature (for things like Skyrim, Call of Duty, and Assassin's Creed). Gamers and developers were worried that a large number of very popular games were going to be disallowed on the Windows Store. Microsoft hopes to have the situation fixed by December — not ideal, since Windows 8 is now out, but better than nothing.

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What about Dragon Age? (3, Informative)

medv4380 (1604309) | about a year and a half ago | (#41783461)

Skyrim is fine as a Mature Violent game, but Dragon Age has the equivalent of soft core porn in it. Does that get it into the Adult bucket or is it still gray enough for Mature?

Re:What about Dragon Age? (2)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#41783521)

There's two distinct ratings in the states: M & A, Dragon age is M:

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/07/25/esrb-rating-explains-dragon-age-origins-sexual [joystiq.com] -exploits/

A is for one of those stupid adult sexploits games that nobody plays.

Even The Witcher 2 with full frontal got M.

Re:What about Dragon Age? (5, Funny)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#41783871)

If we combine Sexploitation and Mature, will that make it S & M?

Re:What about Dragon Age? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41784229)

Nope, just A & M.

Re:What about Dragon Age? (1)

TWX (665546) | about a year and a half ago | (#41791525)

I knew something was going on at that school in Texas...

Re:What about Dragon Age? (3, Insightful)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | about a year and a half ago | (#41784273)

Something awful used to review A rated games, though they either reorganized their site, or stopped in 2008. The Review of RapeLay [somethingawful.com] is a classic, though having absolutely no interest in actually playing such games, I can't comment on its "accuracy."

Re:What about Dragon Age? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41788351)

A is for one of those stupid adult sexploits games that nobody plays.

Hentai games are fairly popular (as in, probably more popular than those Naruto/whatever games that somehow manage to get official port). Some of the most popular ones have been turned to very successful non-hentai animes as well (Fate/Stay Night, Clannad & Kanon for example).

Re:What about Dragon Age? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41790069)

Minor nitpick: Clannad was never a hentai game... instead of the "reward" for completion being a sex scene with your girl of choice, the "reward" for playing through every route was your wife/child not dying of some incurable illness... actually quite an effective motivator after spending 30+ hours with the characters...

Re:What about Dragon Age? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41783587)

Games are split up in the US by ratings given by the ESRB.
The Dragon Age games have a Mature rating so they would be available in the store after this fix if EA wants to put them there.
[Most publishers carefully avoid the AO rating since the vast majority of retailers won't sell them and thus it cuts down on their potential sales.]

https://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp
https://www.esrb.org/ratings/synopsis.jsp?Certificate=27228

Captha: Operator

Re:What about Dragon Age? (2)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41783685)

I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description [soft core porn]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the [content] involved in this case is not that.
—Justice Potter Stewart, US Supreme Court

What about censorship? (1, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | about a year and a half ago | (#41783879)

There's as much evidence that censorship is bad for children as there is that "adult" and "mature" themes are. That is, none.

Re:What about censorship? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41784237)

Only if you don't think that ignorance is bad, or that making them get used to a censorship culture is bad.

Re:What about censorship? (3, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#41786609)

Welllll...yes and no. Would I want my kids playing at age 9 the game equivalent of "I spit on your grave"? Nooo, not because I didn't educate my kids and explain the difference between reality and gaming, its that when you are younger your brain simply doesn't have the emotional level of maturity to handle things you can later.

Using an example from my own childhood there are three scenes from shows that fricking gave me nightmares that today would actually be considered kind of tame. From Night Gallery the story where Roddy McDowell kills his uncle and the painting changes, one that was either Night Gallery or Outer Limits where a woman calls her dead son back from the grave only to find what she calls back was NOT her son (the scene where the demon in the kid's body explains "Timmy killed himself to GET AWAY FROM YOU while every time the lightning flashed the kid's face became the demon? truly scary shit) and the final one an old Hammer horror that appeared to be in B&W...until they stabbed the first vamp nearly 20 minutes in and the screen erupts in arterial spray.

Now once you are an adult if you want to tie little old ladies to passing buses in Just Cause II (always fun) or play something like Rapelay? Knock yourself out, have a ball. But a parent simply can't keep up with every damned new release on the planet so having set guidelines we can use along with a more detailed explanation following it? I honestly have no problem with that, because it gives the parent the choice and control.

Re:What about censorship? (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#41786643)

Oh and I hate to reply to myself but...does anybody remember what episode from what series it was that I was talking about earlier, where the mom brings the kid back from the dead? I've been looking for that thing for ages, I'd love to watch it on Halloween, but damned if I know who was in it, just that kick ass scary ending where the power is out and the demon in the kid's body is heading towards her and the lightning lets you see its true face...damned scary and I'd love to watch it along with some classic night gallery and creepshow for a good Halloween scare fest.

Re:What about censorship? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41792327)

Oh and I hate to reply to myself but...does anybody remember what episode from what series it was that I was talking about earlier, where the mom brings the kid back from the dead? I've been looking for that thing for ages, I'd love to watch it on Halloween, but damned if I know who was in it, just that kick ass scary ending where the power is out and the demon in the kid's body is heading towards her and the lightning lets you see its true face...damned scary and I'd love to watch it along with some classic night gallery and creepshow for a good Halloween scare fest.

I too know the frustration of trying to find something you've seen but only have a tiny shred of info to go on. Haunting of Barney Palmer was my elusive movie. I have a starred email entitled "NEVER FORGET!!!" with a link to its IMDB page to ensure it never happens again.

I haven't seen what you're talking about, but my googlefu tells me it might be the second story in Trilogy of Terror 2.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilogy_of_Terror_II

Re:What about censorship? (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#41792921)

Thanks, and you were close,I think its actually "Dead Of Night" which I believe the original trilogy of terror was based on, I'm trying to track both it and the original trilogy down to see which it is, since I saw this thing in like 78 or so on cable. If you ever get a chance to see it though that scene where the lightning shows the kid's "true" face? pants wetting scary!

Re:What about censorship? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41794739)

I think the AC is correct:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqgMdniQUqE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilogy_of_Terror_II Storry II, Bobby

Re:What about censorship? (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#41795137)

Trilogy of terror 2 is from 1996, the one I saw was in the mid to late 70s, so unless i have the ability to see the future it simply can't be that movie. The dead of night had the SAME story, only difference is I believe the child is named Timmy in that one, but as you can see here [imdb.com] its the same story, complete with mother called son back from grave. In fact i think the picture on the box is the kid as he is starting to change, although from what I remember with each flash of lightning he becomes more and more demonic until he reaches the mother, truly fucking scary.

Re:What about Dragon Age? (1)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | about a year and a half ago | (#41786347)

Both are Mature. The title and summary on slashdot *gasp* are completely wrong. Mature titles are fine in the US. The problem was that in Europe they use a different system in which US Mature titles were getting wound up in the equivalent of US's AO rating.

So M rated games were always fine, it's the European system which lumps the sex games in with the Mature games that caused the kerfuffle.

Re:What about Dragon Age? (1)

oji-sama (1151023) | about a year and a half ago | (#41787763)

So M rated games were always fine, it's the European system which lumps the sex games in with the Mature games that caused the kerfuffle.

Which as an European makes sense. Why would sex be more mature than violence?

What is Windows 8? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41783479)

Does anybody plan to use it?

Between Mint and Android, all my computing needs are covered.

Re:What is Windows 8? (4, Interesting)

rwven (663186) | about a year and a half ago | (#41783547)

I've found home in windows 8. Yes, the interface takes a couple days to get used to initially, but after that the thing is so mindbogglingly responsive that I wouldn't want anything else. I *really* like it.

I've been a big fan of Linux and Mac for many years, and have owned many of both types of PCs, and I can say that Windows 8 is just -really- good.

Re:What is Windows 8? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41783663)

I used it, but I couldn't get used to it. Then I came to my senses and switched to Gamemaker. Now I'm no longer a worthless individual living in his mommy's basement; I'm someone living in Gamemakerdom!

Re:What is Windows 8? (2)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#41784095)

I kind of can't wait to switch all the "slow" users over to it, it's just different enough where you have to think a bit before doing something up until you get used to it and.... POW :)

Re:What is Windows 8? (0)

dimeglio (456244) | about a year and a half ago | (#41784623)

Windows 7 was also very very fast when it was first released. Then after a few months/years of usage, it slows to a crawl. Is it self programmed obsolescence or does Windows naturally drifts towards slower and slower performance?

Re:What is Windows 8? (2)

dead_user (1989356) | about a year and a half ago | (#41786041)

It's usually all the crap you've downloaded, installed, fragmented, etc, that slows it down. If you installed one program on the machine and did nothing but that, the machine would be just as fast in 20 years as it is today. We have a windows 3.11 machine still running at work. It's a 486SX/25 installed in 1993 but it's still snappy as hell. You should see the heatsink I had to cobble together after the 5th fan died in an attempt to keep it alive. I smile every time I need to use it.

Re:What is Windows 8? (2)

Billly Gates (198444) | about a year and a half ago | (#41786593)

He has malware. Windows 7 auto defrags and has ways to protect its registry and does cleanups over time.

One of the HUGE benefits of upgrading from XP is it no longer has Windows rot. Basically the registry fragments. Overtime it gets so slow it needs to be re-imaged or if the system is ignored business users just get used to low productivity of waiting 10 minutes for their computers to boot up and waste time for 3 hours every Tuesday afternoon when mcCrappy does its scan etc. ... but NOOO do not upgrade that OS it would cost money! It is just cheaper to have our executives sit and do nothing 4 hours a week instead at $200 an hour. ....(/END RANT)

Windows 7 runs as fast 2 years than the day it was imaged on the system. Windows is not the crappy OS it used to be. The Registry even virtualizes itself during an install to make sure it stays clean in case something happens. Pretty sweet hu?

Re:What is Windows 8? (1)

drsmithy (35869) | about a year and a half ago | (#41786597)

Windows 7 was also very very fast when it was first released. Then after a few months/years of usage, it slows to a crawl. Is it self programmed obsolescence or does Windows naturally drifts towards slower and slower performance?

Or do you just get used to it ?

Re:What is Windows 8? (1)

rwven (663186) | about a year and a half ago | (#41824805)

Win8 has a "refresh" option which will bring it back to initial speed without requiring a full format and reinstallation of all your crap.

Incedentally, I've had several macs, and still have one, and they do the same thing. Apple used to encourage people to reinstall OSX once a year to refresh it back to peak performance. Not sure where they stand on it now. I know my wife's macbook pro from two years ago runs like a relative dog now. Needs a wipe in a big way...

Re:What is Windows 8? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41783557)

Same here, Arch and Maemo are enough for me.

Re:What is Windows 8? (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#41783677)

Do any laptops come with Mint, other than laptops from some obscure manufacturer whose keyboard and screen you can't try before you buy?

Reversal Relief (1, Troll)

rwven (663186) | about a year and a half ago | (#41783519)

It's encouraging to see that MS is willing to see reason on this count. I happen to like Win8 quite a bit, and their initial "ban" on M rated content made me very nervous about the long term viability of the platform for me.

Encouraging? (1)

tooyoung (853621) | about a year and a half ago | (#41785045)

The change, though, will take some time to go into effect. The games that had been caught in this net still won't be available as the Windows Store launches with Windows 8 today. Leblond said the plan is to flip the switch around December - definitely before the new year.

Wait until December to flip the switch? Why not flip the switch now? Is this what we are to expect from this platform?

Willing to accept censorship? (1)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | about a year and a half ago | (#41787167)

So what you are saying is that you are willing to accept censorship about what apps you can run, in turn for a working operating system, even if alternatives are available? That must be some operating system then, that you are willing to trade.

Re:Reversal Relief (1)

rwven (663186) | about a year and a half ago | (#41824775)

Not sure how I got modded troll on this. I was being completely serious. I genuinely like Win8...

Classic double standard (5, Insightful)

Ractive (679038) | about a year and a half ago | (#41783527)

The typical: "Its ok if there's killing, beheading and any kind of gore as long as nobody fucks."

Re:Classic double standard (2)

richlv (778496) | about a year and a half ago | (#41783591)

apparently, in the usa, people are not mature enough for pornographic content. which does seem to include erotic content as well :)

Re:Classic double standard (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41783599)

We all know that seeing a booby damages a young mind irreversibly whereas seeing someone's head explode improves his character.

Re:Classic double standard (5, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year and a half ago | (#41783679)

Kiss a pair of tits and the movie's X rated. Chop 'em off and it's PG13.

Re:Classic double standard (4, Funny)

Mike Buddha (10734) | about a year and a half ago | (#41784455)

Chop 'em off and it's PG13.

As long as you don't show the nipples.

Re:Classic double standard (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41787451)

Well, why would you have to chop anything in them otherwise if not to comply with censoring?

Re:Classic double standard (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41783859)

Thank Jesus that disgusting, pornographic sinfulness is not allowed to spread its icky nastiness on the store! The last thing I want to see when my little Timmy is beating a hooker to death with a crowbar in GTA or littly Sally is dismembering corpses in Dead Space, is ungodly ladyparts!

Re:Classic double standard (3, Funny)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about a year and a half ago | (#41784285)

Well, your 13yr old is smart enough to pretend to kill people and then not go out and do the real deal. Sex on the other hand...

Sounds like... (4, Funny)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#41783529)

Windows 8 took an arrow to the knee.

Re:Sounds like... (3, Insightful)

thegarbz (1787294) | about a year and a half ago | (#41784373)

Yes. Shot by none other than Microsoft themselves with careful aim.

Seriously fixed by December? In the mean time a flagship product with an ailing store and developer base is suffering. How could it take so long?

I work for what I can only consider to be the most bureaucratic red tape laden company outside of the government. I once needed to request a purchase requisition, get it approved by my line manager, forward it to a procurement officer, then take the resulting purchase order and fax it to a company all for a $2 lightbulb. It takes me months to get even the simplest of things done. However if something affects production, public perception, or profits rest assured everyone will be standing in line to ensure the red tape is machetied down before it even rises.

Taking 2 months to fix something that sounds quite trivial is appalling.

Re:Sounds like... (1)

Calydor (739835) | about a year and a half ago | (#41787803)

That is why you request a $100 lightbulb with the added notes, "Unable to work without this, production halted until requested item is acquired."

What about (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41783541)

... mature porn? How do the wiseguys at Microsoft box that? Eh? Huh?

Re:What about (1)

TWX (665546) | about a year and a half ago | (#41791573)

Eh, they used to have some term for software designed for somebody's mom... Hopefully that concept wasn't integrated...

Windows Store? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41783605)

Who cares.
Steam Store :)

Re:Windows Store? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41786627)

Who cares.
Steam Store :)

That won't be available in Windows 8.

Re:Windows Store? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41787253)

Steam works just fine, thanks

Re:Windows Store? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41787983)

Steam works just fine... for now. Look to the future, look to the Apple Store that MS is emulating. Thin edge of the wedge people, thin edge of the wedge...

Re:Windows Store? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41802203)

You're thinking of Windows RT.

fuck windows 8 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41783607)

I really don't care.
fuck windows 8. fuck windows rt. fuck metro. fuck microsoft.

Story sounds like microsoft is starting to hear that chant. ''quick! get rid of some of our stupid rules! we have GOT to get people using this app store dogturd!"

Re:fuck windows 8 (3, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year and a half ago | (#41783719)

To me it sounds more like MS found out nobody even knows there IS a store run by them, or at least nobody gave even half a shit on the PC platform since, well, there are already established platforms and people ain't forced to jump their "Games for Windows" hoops to play.

So they needed something that made people at least TALK about that store. And, behold, it succeeded.

Re:fuck windows 8 (2)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41783939)

fuck windows 8. fuck windows rt. fuck metro. fuck microsoft.

Betcha didn't know that windows 8 will flag that comment and block access. Built in censorship, just what the Chinese ordered...

Here it is, the evidence we need. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41783851)

Windows 8 is an absolute failure. Microsoft, what in the hell were you thinking?

Product differentiation (1)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | about a year and a half ago | (#41784049)

Windows 7 is a mature, well tested operating system. Windows 8 has just been born, and is not ready to confront the world as an independent adult. Underscoring this immaturity is a desire to dress in Children's Clothing [pcmag.com].

standard American values (3, Insightful)

tverbeek (457094) | about a year and a half ago | (#41784069)

So (once again) here's the message: sex = bad, violence = OK.

Re:standard American values (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41784625)

Yup, the US is a really screwed up place. In fact, the US is so screwed up it is almost as screwed up as the rest of the world, but in different ways. People tend to overlook the bizarre things at home and harp on the bizarre things you see elsewhere. Personally I'd prefer things weren't so screwed up anywhere.

Re:standard American values (1)

tverbeek (457094) | about a year and a half ago | (#41800031)

"People tend to overlook the bizarre things at home and harp on the bizarre things you see elsewhere. "

I'm from the US, idiot.

Re:standard American values (1)

sowth (748135) | about a year and a half ago | (#41786497)

Sex = killing babies. Here's how it works:

  • sex = unwanted pregnancy.
  • unwanted pregnancy = abortion
  • abortion = killing babies

There you have it. Sex = killing babies

Doesn't steam run on Windows 8? (2)

NinjaTekNeeks (817385) | about a year and a half ago | (#41784079)

Why use some lame app store when you can just fire up Steam and download whatever the heck u want when it comes to games?

Re:Doesn't steam run on Windows 8? (1)

rally2xs (1093023) | about a year and a half ago | (#41788199)

Yeah, that's a valid question to which I want a confirmation. Does this OS prohibit all games that aren't downloaded from the "approved" site? I don't think so, but don't know for sure. I've got several games (not a big gamer) and, what, do they not then run if I upgrade to 8? I have to rebuy them at this approved site in order to keep playing them? Makes no sense, but then neither does worrying about what the official game store from usoft may or may not approve when games bought anywhere can run on the OS.

Re:Doesn't steam run on Windows 8? (1)

westlake (615356) | about a year and a half ago | (#41788905)

Why use some lame app store when you can just fire up Steam and download whatever the heck u want when it comes to games?

Because you can't.

Steam does not sell games that other US retailers have found to hot to handle, more trouble then they are worth.

The original restrictions on content in the Windows Store were there because Microsoft wanted to offer clear guidelines for developers and a unified and profitable global marketplace for Windows apps.

Sweet! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41784129)

Before all the Microsoft haters accused them of censorship. Now they can accuse them of flip-flopping. It's a win-win situation.

Store Spin (1)

Seeteufel (1736784) | about a year and a half ago | (#41784363)

"Gamers and developers were worried that a large number of very popular games were going to be disallowed on the Windows Store."

Has anyone here ever bought software on a Microsoft Windows store or would intend to buy it? What a slashdot strawman marketing!

Re:Store Spin (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41786641)

"Gamers and developers were worried that a large number of very popular games were going to be disallowed on the Windows Store."

Has anyone here ever bought software on a Microsoft Windows store or would intend to buy it? What a slashdot strawman marketing!

For Modern apps, the only place you will be allowed to get apps is the Microsoft Store. S

Huh? (2)

Horshu (2754893) | about a year and a half ago | (#41784671)

Didn't anyone else read the original guideline that said games couldn't be in the store if they were *over* M or PEGI? Even the original source article (but not the blog posted here) updated with emphasis from MS on the "over" part.

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41788341)

Didn't anyone else read the original guideline that said games couldn't be in the store if they were *over* M or PEGI? Even the original source article (but not the blog posted here) updated with emphasis from MS on the "over" part.

If I've understood the issue correctly, the issue is the 'or' in the above sentence. Games weren't allowed if they were at least A or PEGI-18 (the highest PEGI rating). And most M games are PEGI-18.

What about Adult games? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41784729)

Won't somebody please think of the Adult games?

so... (1, Insightful)

zlives (2009072) | about a year and a half ago | (#41784797)

if you have win8 you can't surf porn? not that i would of course.... just saying
also horrible heading FTFA

Well, they DO own the hardware you bought. (2)

tillerman35 (763054) | about a year and a half ago | (#41785471)

The only good thing about this story is that maybe non-techie people will realize that when you let the OS vendor dictate what you can do with the hardware you bought to run their product on, they will ALWAYS use that ability against you.

Consoles, Apple, and now Windows- how many times do we have to learn the same lesson?

Re:Well, they DO own the hardware you bought. (1)

genkernel (1761338) | about a year and a half ago | (#41799223)

Consoles, Apple, and now Windows- how many times do we have to learn the same lesson?

Don't forget Ubuntu.

Microsoft should tune it for the local market (2)

jonwil (467024) | about a year and a half ago | (#41785531)

i.e. they would allow games rated up to M in the USA as well as games rated up to MA in Australia or whatever.

Win 8 features integrated ads (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41785959)

Yes, that's why they don't want you to turn Metro off.

It's even worse than the integrated ads in Ubuntu Unity which they also refuse to turn off.

As long as they don't touch 'Chubby' content (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41786865)

I mean, do what you want with the rest but attempt no landing here!

Kids ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41787211)

I'm assuming that's the excuse again: age-tag, or nudity-level-tag them (boobs, sex, short pants, no boerka ;) )
And allow the end-user to filter on that, and maybe send a default per country.
That should solve most if not all border cases.

Problems with a software store... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41787477)

This is the problem with an software store. We have seen it with the Apple app store and now Microsoft is heading that way too. It allows for too much power over what gets or doesnt get published.

thank FSM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41789267)

When did my operating system become my or my children's babysitter? Besides there is already plenty software out there to lock down your kids computer, Microsoft doesn't need to be in that business. Especially since I want my porn. I'm glad they backed away from a stupid decision.

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<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>
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