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Wired Proclaims the Death of the Game Console

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the post-pc-mumbo-jumbo-is-infectious dept.

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SternisheFan points out an article at Wired arguing that game consoles and the business model that sustained them are now "obsolete." Quoting: "Years from now, 225 million devices will almost certainly be seen as the point at which the console business peaked. Gamers are going elsewhere for their fix. The console’s time at the top of the heap is drawing to an end, and these machines won’t survive without radical change. ... Consoles used to do everything best, but those strengths are now being wiped away. Unlike PC games, which may require finicky custom settings, consoles 'just work,' fans have long pointed out. Well, so does the iPad. Consoles are cheaper than PCs? Not when you factor in the growing disparity in game prices. Consoles have all the good content? Well, if you want Nintendo- or Sony-exclusive games, you’ll need to buy their hardware. But for many gamers, Angry Birds is becoming more attractive than Mario.

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368 comments

I'll reserve judgement (4, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 2 years ago | (#41788647)

Until Netcraft confirms it.

What is netcraft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41789113)

Isn't that some weird Nethack game along the lines of Warcraft and Starcraft?

Re:What is netcraft? (2)

JustOK (667959) | about 2 years ago | (#41789365)

No, they're the ones look at how tubes are woven together, thinking that something is therefore looming.

I just realized something. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788657)

You're in a dark alley, surrounding by brick buildings. In front of you, you see the back of a naked boy spreading his arms out as if he's pretending to be an airplane. You look towards his butt crack and spot a small red toy who is, similarly, spreading its arms out as if it's pretending to be an airplane. That toy then vanishes and you hear the sound of an elevator... twice.

My question to you is this: What if, just as you're looking at the boy's ass and watching a toy use his ass as an elevator, the boy is looking at your ass and witnessing a similar event? What if there is a wall of some sort in front of you that is a portal of sorts that allows you to see into another area: the area where the boy is. However, the brick wall in front of the boy is also a portal that allows him to see into the area where you're at. The boy sees a brick wall when he looks at your portal, and you see a brick wall when you look at his portal.

The point? Your ass is now a rumblehouse ass.

consoles are horribly locked down (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788659)

i never understand how people who rant about software freedom, openness and how evil apple is will then run out and buy an microsoft xbox and a sony playstation.

Re:consoles are horribly locked down (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788685)

Completely different groups of people.

Re:consoles are horribly locked down (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788733)

Not really, no.

Re:consoles are horribly locked down (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41789201)

Until I can curb stomp or knife a pig in angry birds and then teabag it and listen to it whine over the headset, I will maintain that yes...thses are two completely different sets of gamers.

Who knows? there might even be more types of gamers out there!

Re:consoles are horribly locked down (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788841)

i never understand how people who rant about software freedom, openness and how evil apple is will then run out and buy an microsoft xbox and a sony playstation.

i never understand how ppl who can read crime statistics and ppl who would be terrified to go to the ghetto will then run out and mod me down for talking about niggers and how much they suck for embracing gangsta culture.

Re:consoles are horribly locked down (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788887)

To be allowed to use the PowerPC processor.

Different multiplayer model (4, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#41789131)

i never understand how people who rant about software freedom [...] will then run out and buy an microsoft xbox and a sony playstation.

It's because not enough PC games support USB gamepads well or support more than one player on one HDTV monitor. Some people prefer the multiplayer model traditionally associated with consoles, especially for games that aren't FPS or RTS. PCs can do it; it's just that major PC game publishers choose not to in order to sell a copy per player instead of a copy per household [cracked.com] .

I can prove this is wrong. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788663)

My brother's wife's aunt's grandkid's roommate in college brother's son just bought a console so this PROVES that this article is complete horseshit.

Now, mod me up "Insightful" or "Informative"!

Re:I can prove this is wrong. (2)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | about 2 years ago | (#41789167)

Consoles are dead; Netflix confirms it.

Re:I can prove this is wrong. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41789303)

So what's that make us?

Game Controls (5, Interesting)

imurd3r3r (1060246) | about 2 years ago | (#41788673)

Gamers need great controls, and frankly the controls on touch screen games stink. Racing game on touch screen vs racing game on console with Xbox S controls or steering wheel? I'm choosing the console.

Re:Game Controls (4, Interesting)

SScorpio (595836) | about 2 years ago | (#41788691)

This is why the Wii U is interesting. It marries classic controls with a tablet. I doubt it will have the market saturation that the Wii had, but it should sell fairly well.

Sadly the same isn't happening with the Vita, which is currently some of the most impressive handheld hardware available and contrary to popular belief, it actually has a very good and varied library since it's been out for less than a year. The next few weeks have some heavy hitters for it coming out, I'm hopefully it will do well, but I'm not optimistic.

Re:Game Controls (5, Insightful)

PRMan (959735) | about 2 years ago | (#41789053)

That's because geeks now detest Sony.

Re:Game Controls (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41789315)

yeah because they started suing us.

Re:Game Controls (2)

tolkienfan (892463) | about 2 years ago | (#41789373)

+1

Re:Game Controls (2)

RedHat Rocky (94208) | about 2 years ago | (#41789055)

Same applies to the original Wii. The controllers were novel, something different and drove initial sales, but they aren't all that great for many "gamer" games (FPS specifically).

Wii U will be the same deal.

Re:Game Controls (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | about 2 years ago | (#41789067)

This is why the Wii U is interesting. It marries classic controls with a tablet.

Worst of both worlds: bulky like a tablet, but not portable! There are controller add-ons for tablets and smartphones, and actual tablets with built-in game controllers; personally, I'm thinking of getting an Archos Gamepad. [youtu.be]

How would gamers learn of Archos products? (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#41789141)

personally, I'm thinking of getting an Archos Gamepad

Why aren't products like this advertised in the United States or shown in stores in the United States? How would the average gamer in Slashdot's home country learn of their existence in the first place?

slashdoters... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788747)

Slashdoters have been proclaiming the death of Slashdot for years now, yet the body still twitches every once and a while.

Re:Game Controls (4, Interesting)

FyRE666 (263011) | about 2 years ago | (#41788793)

For FPS' - let's face it, the vast majority of console games - the mouse+keyboard is the superior control mechanism. This has been proven countless times, notably when Microsoft stages an event pitting Xbox "pro" players against PC players. The PC players decimated the Xbox players. It was a major embarrassment for MS (and the players I guess) and nstrumental is MS' decision to keep the XBox and PC player base segregated.

Consoles are a bad deal all around: Outdated hardware - years behind PCs, low resolution, excessively slow loading times, expensive games, lack of customisation and custom mods. Consoles need software updates at least as often as PCs, so that's a wash. Arguing that PC games give players too many configuration options (even if they choose to use them) is ridiculous. Since when it choice a bad thing? Unless you're Apple, I guess.

Re:Game Controls (2)

firex726 (1188453) | about 2 years ago | (#41788877)

> Consoles are a bad deal all around: Outdated hardware

Except for one thing where they are good at...
Making the companies money.

> Arguing that PC games give players too many configuration options (even if they choose to use them) is ridiculous.

Never heard that one before, normally More Options = Good.
It's not like you need a PhD in rocket science to understand the difference between Low, Med, High graphics settings.

Re:Game Controls (1)

MagusSlurpy (592575) | about 2 years ago | (#41789149)

Never heard that one before, normally More Options = Good.
It's not like you need a PhD in rocket science to understand the difference between Low, Med, High graphics settings.

Clearly you haven't attended John Carmack's Institute of Rage.

When a user has too many choices (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#41789223)

For FPS' - let's face it, the vast majority of console games

For this to be true, more than 50 percent of console titles this generation would have to be first-person shooters. I haven't seen evidence that this is anything but an exaggeration.

Consoles are a bad deal all around

Even when there are plenty of multiplayer console games that work with one copy per household, as opposed to the tendency of one copy per player [cracked.com] on a PC?

Arguing that PC games give players too many configuration options (even if they choose to use them) is ridiculous.

The problem is that players have to use them. In general, PC game controllers present their face buttons in an unpredictable order [pineight.com] . So unless your controller happens to bean Xbox 360 game controller and the game you are playing happens to use "XInput" (specific support for Xbox 360 controllers under Windows), you have to go through at least some sort of configuration form before the computer knows which button to use for jump, attack, switch weapon, and pause.

Press the following buttons
in order:
[Up], Down, Left, Right,
Jump, Attack, Change Tool,
Pause

Since when it choice a bad thing?

Since researchers discovered that people freeze up when they see too many choices. From this page [pair.com] :

Preferences can confuse many users. Take the famous too many clocks example. A significant number of test subjects were so surprised to have 5 choices of clock they couldn't figure out how to add a clock to their panel. This cost of preferences is invariably underestimated by us technical types.

Re:Game Controls (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41789295)

Bullshit. I see these same arguments pretty often, and they only highlight how out-of-touch some people are with what the vast majority of gamers care about. You can't project your niche opinions onto a real market and just "make it so".

Nobody wants or cares about the ability to plunk down $500 on 3 more fps. They'd rather everyone was the same anyways.

Slow loading times haven't been a problem since playstation 1 days.

Games are only expensive if you buy the expensive ones, and most of those titles cost the same on PC.

Console updates happen by pressing "ok". Easy enough for kids, no headaches for adults.

Good customization and mods come back as new titles. The rest is largely garbage, and the difference is negligible. Meanwhile, most people just don't care.

Nobody wants to play with keyboard, mice, 10,000 buttons and macros. They want to lay on the living room floor or sit on the couch with a controller.

If consoles lose favor, it'll be to more open consoles or tablets that have solved the input problem. Touch devices suck for anything not designed for touch.

Orly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788813)

Ouya!

Re:Game Controls (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788861)

Racing game on touch screen vs racing game on console with Xbox S controls or steering wheel? I'm choosing the console.

Yes, let's generalize, basing everything on racing games!

How about first person shooters? I'll choose keyboard + mouse over a crippled console controller. Angry birds? I'll choose the touch screen over the console controller once more. It all depends on the game.

I think consoles have a hard time for several reasons. The hardware being grossly outdated is just one. Some consoles just don't really have enough good exclusive games worth playing, like the Xbox which offers very little besides Halo and Gears or War. Or having monthly fees to play online. As for the Wii, it only has so many good games besides Nintendo's own and their controller doesn't work anywhere near as well as it should. And Nintendo hardware is pretty poorly built, and limited in more ways than graphics, like the DS not being able to connected to WPA protected APs in 2012. I don't mind the PS3 (nice games, no monthly fees, plays Blu-Ray) but it was pretty expensive at first, they've now gotten rid of PS2 game compatibility, and the graphics are still outdated. So I might buy a used PS3 sometime.

A platformer or a fighting game (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#41789259)

It all depends on the game.

What would you choose for, say, a platformer or a fighting game?

Some consoles just don't really have enough good exclusive games worth playing, like the Xbox which offers very little besides Halo and Gears or War.

Unless you live in a country that has the "Indie Games" store. Developers not yet big enough to attract the attention of Sony or Nintendo can't publish on any console but the Xbox 360.

Re:Game Controls (1)

aNonnyMouseCowered (2693969) | about 2 years ago | (#41788865)

"Gamers need great controls, and frankly the controls on touch screen games stink."

Gamers need games. When fewer games are made for consoles because game developers see tablets/smartphones as the more lucrative market in terms of either higher volume or cheaper development costs, then it becomes a vicious cycle of consoles becoming less popular because there are fewer games, making it even less lucrative as a market.

Sure the controls might stink as far as hardcore gamers are concerned. But the cooler product doesn't always win. The Soyuz outlasted the Space Shuttle. Android has shrunk the iPhone market share.

Re:Game Controls (1)

alen (225700) | about 2 years ago | (#41789153)

On the iPad you tilt the iPhone or iPad left or right to steer
No need to use touch for it

Re:Game Controls (4, Insightful)

yotto (590067) | about 2 years ago | (#41789313)

On the iPad you tilt the iPhone or iPad left or right to steer
No need to use touch for it

And just like with a car (or console game) the entire world tilts as you steer your car.

Re:Game Controls (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41789319)

Define "gamers".

Now ask yourself if that exact definition alone is big enough to support the business model under which consoles are sold.

Mini Games (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788675)

Mini-games just work! Many respectable young japanese salarymen are already playing with their Game and Watches for more time then their Family Computers.

It's weird seeing this argument in reverse. (4, Insightful)

SScorpio (595836) | about 2 years ago | (#41788677)

The current console generation has already gone one for a year too long, and it will be at least one more year before the new Xbox and Playstation come out. In games media people do seem to be switching to the PC, but as soon as the new consoles come out the unwashed masses will move to them.

As for the iPad and the like? Sure they will take the causal and non gamer markets, pretty much the people who purchased the Wii as their first and only console. Game console might not see as high of sales, but just like happens with every new console generation and the reports of PC gaming being dead, the death of consoles is high exaggerated.

Re:It's weird seeing this argument in reverse. (1)

robmv (855035) | about 2 years ago | (#41788789)

Exactly, I think mobile gaming is eating the Wii like market, there is a reason the Wii U is coming back to the hardcore games instead of mom and grandma style of games. Nintendo people aren't dumb, they know the casuals, that never were part of the console games market until the arrival of the Wii, are not staying with consoles and are moving to phones and tablets

Re:It's weird seeing this argument in reverse. (1)

rhsanborn (773855) | about 2 years ago | (#41788801)

There are a lot of people who love to sit down and play whatever new Madden, Fifa, whatever on their big screen with a bunch of friends. The PC and tablets don't give them that fix.

Re:It's weird seeing this argument in reverse. (1)

Fishchip (1203964) | about 2 years ago | (#41789027)

Unless you have a gaming PC hooked up to your big screen. -looks guilty-

Re:It's weird seeing this argument in reverse. (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#41789307)

Unless you have a gaming PC hooked up to your big screen.

Except as CronoCloud and others have pointed out repeatedly, almost nobody else feels like doing that. See, for example, adolf's recent post [slashdot.org] :

I'm not putting together a living room PC rig just for one game, and I'm not lugging my desktop between rooms or stringing destructive ground-loop-ridden HDMI cables around the house so I can play a game on my PC on my BFT in my living room.

Set top box - consoles can do it all (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41789213)

So long as we have big TVs, we'll need some kind of box to plug into it.

Consoles can act as a Tivo recorder, DVD/Blu-Ray player, internet TV/movie streaming device, cable/satellite decoder, internet browser .....

They are pretty good at running games, too ...

Don't believe it (5, Insightful)

Jiro (131519) | about 2 years ago | (#41788679)

It's not as if people who play Assassin's Creed have suddenly shifted over to Angry Birds in droves. The audience who plays Angry Birds is a separate audience. Furthermore, Angry Birds costs less than console games, so comparing by number of total players is misleading.

Re:Don't believe it (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788697)

yeah, but what happens when there's a generation of kids who grew up playing angry birds as their first game instead of super mario? for them playing on a gamepad will be as alien as playing on touch screen is to you...

Poor parenting (5, Funny)

fox171171 (1425329) | about 2 years ago | (#41788943)

yeah, but what happens when there's a generation of kids who grew up playing angry birds as their first game instead of super mario?

Poor parenting has been an ongoing issue for generations!

Re:Don't believe it (1)

Fishchip (1203964) | about 2 years ago | (#41789045)

You honestly think they're going to see the commercial for Assassin's Creed or whatever the new hot shit is and say 'Woah, that looks badass! But I can't play it on my iPad, so... oh well.'

Really? Of course not. You know they're going to be begging for the console and the game for Christmas, because that's what kids do. Or go out and buy the console and game themselves, because that's what teenagers who want to play new hot shit games do. Not ignore it completely because it's not on their portable device.

Re:Don't believe it (1)

Babbster (107076) | about 2 years ago | (#41789175)

True. My nephews got a Wii and loved it. I gave them my Gamecube games, and they loved those. In fact, their Wii failed, was replaced by a new one without Gamecube compatibility and they actually asked for a Gamecube. I let them have a taste of Mass Effect 3 when I brought my 360 over to their house and they loved that.

I have no doubt that there will be more people playing tablet games than console games into the future, just like there are more people playing Facebook games than Civilization V. That does not mean, however, that home game consoles are going away, any more than "big-box" PC gaming is going away. It's not so much a shift of the gaming market as it is an expansion.

Re:Don't believe it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41789381)

Yep, they won't believe how much easier it is to control. It'll seem like cheating.

Re:Don't believe it (1)

Kjella (173770) | about 2 years ago | (#41788951)

Or even the same audience at different times. I've played Angry Birds a lot on the road - it's rather hard to bring a full console/PC to play on the bus. It doesn't mean I want to play it at home where I got a full gaming rig. My willingness to pay is also very different, on my phone I just want "pass the time" games and there's plenty $1 offerings that do that, while at home I'm spending my leisure time and I want high quality entertainment. I'm not looking to just pass the time until it's time to go back to work again.

Nintendo 3DS or PS Vita (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#41789321)

I've played Angry Birds a lot on the road - it's rather hard to bring a full console/PC to play on the bus.

That's what a Nintendo 3DS or a PS Vita is for. It's portable like a cell phone, and it's got physical buttons like a console. The trouble is that it also has stringent developer criteria like a console.

Re:Don't believe it (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | about 2 years ago | (#41789375)

This is my "thread over" comment.

What percentage of players actually say "you know, I used to love 12 hour gaming marathons every weekend, and $60 for a year's worth was okay for me, but now I'm tired of all that so I'll throw projectiles at birdies for a dollar over lunch".

Everything else is Apples and Sweaters fallacies.

When was that again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788683)

"Consoles used to do everything best"
You mean back in the seventies right? The old TI we had back then didn't compare to the 2600... oh wait yeah it did. I can't really think of a time when consoles were king. Maybe because we always had computers around. The console, and it superiority (at any time) was really just a myth perpetuated by people who experienced that as their first home gaming device. P.S. Parsec for ever!

Re:When was that again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41789017)

Third and fourth generation, consoles usually had it much easier than computers with the genres that were popular at the time because of the hardware they used (consoles provided many sprites and tilemaps that could scroll, computers usually lacked in those areas and required faking things which would severely hurt performance or what could be done). The use of cartridges also meant near non-existent loading times.

By the time of the fifth generation computers caught up again, though.

Re:When was that again? (1)

Fishchip (1203964) | about 2 years ago | (#41789071)

Pong played Pong best. Truth.

When consoles were king (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#41789363)

The old TI we had back then didn't compare to the 2600... oh wait yeah it did. I can't really think of a time when consoles were king.

In 1989 (Sega Genesis introduction) through about 1995, was a home PC capable of multiplane parallax scrolling with over 64 sprites at a solid 60 frames per second? From 1995 (PlayStation introduction) through about 1997 (when the Voodoo Graphics card came out), was a home PC capable of general 3D graphics with real-time lighting at a solid 30 frames per second? And until the mid-2000s, were there PCs capable of more than Chess for less than $400? Even now, do PCs support multiplayer games using one machine? Consoles still do this routinely (e.g. New Super Mario Bros. Wii and Super Smash Bros. Brawl), but PC games tend not to with a few exceptions (e.g. Street Fighter IV).

errr.... (5, Insightful)

eennaarbrak (1089393) | about 2 years ago | (#41788711)

Gamers are going elsewhere for their fix.

They are?

Unlike PC games, which may require finicky custom settings, consoles 'just work,' fans have long pointed out. Well, so does the iPad.

And that proves ...?

Nooooooottiiiiiiiing (4, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about 2 years ago | (#41788777)

This is just one of those "X is dead" stories where the author knows nothing about anything including market diversity.

It is obvious that McD attracts more customers then 3 star restaurants, therefor 3 star restaurants are dead...

Logic dictates this. But McD has been around for a long time and so is the whole Michelin guide thing, which has also been declared dead many times.

There are indeed people for who Angry Birds is enough and they can buy an iPad Mini for 329. And there are those for who mario is enough and they can buy a Wii U for 350. Wow! Look at that price difference!!! Anyway, for SOME, Angry Birds is NOT enough just as a dry patty on an even dryer piece of fluffed corn isn't good enough for some. And they will buy a PC, put in a video card and play real games.

And there are even some people, who one day buy a hamburger and the next day visit a 3 star restaurant. Amazing!

And some people never buy any pre-made food and cook at home!!! It is almost like there are kinds of different people out there with others catering to their needs!

Right now, in 2012 EA/Maxis is preparing Sim City for a 2013 launch and EVERYTHING looks like it will be a real Sim City again for real men on real PC's. And some gay guys on mac's. No more consolfication attempt, just a hard core sim game like we used to have. And it got just as many fanboys as Angry Birds has, except these fans can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Everytime someone declares something dead, it springs back on its feet. The world is a more complex place then you think and people have different needs and wants, often on the same day.

Re:errr.... (1)

Pionar (620916) | about 2 years ago | (#41789163)

Unlike PC games, which may require finicky custom settings, consoles 'just work,' fans have long pointed out. Well, so does the iPad.

Yeah, well, so does my toaster. But I'm not gonna play Borderlands 2 on it.

The hell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788723)

Gaming has been getting better than ever.
A silly recession isn't going to doom an entire industry, just kill off the weak.

Mobile consoles, yeah, possibly. But consoles won't die in their entirety. Dedicated hardware will die down most certainly. People like their multi-devices.

What I would have given if PS Vita and 3DS had a phone add-on that 3rd parties could create for it. And just in general a simple add-on system for features.
These companies don't realize how much more units they would have sold if they made their hardware with expansion in mind. Seriously don't realize it. It is insane how silly they are.

The next generation will likely recover unless the general world finances fall even further. One thing is companies won't be as risky as they were until next next generation. (given it doesn't crash again that is, but it seems we are in a very slow recovery overall)

This is different and good (2)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#41788739)

For once PC gaming is supposedly gaining while consoles are dying...I guess you can only predict the death of PC gaming so many times.

Re:This is different and good (1)

CmdrEdem (2229572) | about 2 years ago | (#41788785)

When the next generation of consoles gets here PC will "die" all over again... Except for the indie community that will endure regardless of all this and keep doing their thing.

Re:This is different and good (1)

ilguido (1704434) | about 2 years ago | (#41789221)

PC gaming is not gaining anything, it's just shrinking less. Console gaming revenues crumbled in the last two years, pc gaming revenues just shrunk. I'm talking about revenues, because that's what matter to companies, especially when they have to choose between developing for the new generation of consoles or for personal computers.

@_@ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788741)

I have to question anyone that finds an angry bird more attractive than a fat plumber.

Microsoft Kinect Spy System - Revisited (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788787)

Microsoft Kinect Spy System - Revisited

"So you just got the Kinect/Xbox360 gaming system and you're having fun, hanging out in your underwear, plopped down in your favorite lounge chair, and playing games with your buddies. Yeah, it's great to have a microphone and camera in your game system so you can "Kinect" to your pals while you play, but did you read that Terms of Service Agreement that came with your Kinect thingy? No? Here, let me point out an important part of that service agreement.

        If you accept the agreement, you "expressly authorize and consent to us accessing or disclosing information about you, including the content of your communications, in order to: (a) comply with the law or respond to lawful requests or legal process; (b) protect the rights or property of Microsoft, our partners, or our customers, including the enforcement of our agreements or policies governing your use of the Service; or (c) act on a good faith belief that such access or disclosure is necessary to protect the personal safety of Microsoft employees, customers, or the public."

Did you catch that? Here, let me print the important part in really big letters.

"If you accept the agreement, you expressly authorize and consent to us accessing or disclosing information about you, including the content of your communications⦠on a good faith belief that such access or disclosure is necessary to protect the personal safety of Microsoft employees, customers, or the public."

OK, is that clear enough for ya? When you use the Kinect system, you agree to allow Microsoft (and any branch of law enforcement or government they care to share information with) to use your Kinect system to spy on you. Maybe run that facial recognition software to check you out, listen to your conversations, and keep track of who you are communicating with.

I know this is probably old news to some, but I thought I would mention it because it pertains to almost all of these home game systems that are interactive. You have to remember, the camera and microphone contained in your game system have the ability to be hacked by anyone the game company gives that ability to, and that includes government snoops and law enforcement agents.

Hey, it's MICROSOFT. What did you expect?

And the same concerns apply to all interactive game systems. Just something to think about if you're having a "Naked Wii party" or doing something illegal while you're gaming with your buddies. Or maybe you say something suspicious and it triggers the DHS software to start tracking your every word. Hey, this is not paranoia. It's spelled out for you, right there in that Service Agreement. Read it! Here's one more part of the agreement you should be aware of.

        "You should not expect any level of privacy concerning your use of the live communication features (for example, voice chat, video and communications in live-hosted gameplay sessions) offered through the Service."

Did you catch it that time? YOU SHOULD NOT EXPECT ANY LEVEL OF PRIVACY concerning your voice chat and video features on your Kinect box."

# http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z20/TyrantAsh03/tf_spy_fyi_i_am_a_spy.png [photobucket.com]

Continued..

"Listen up, you ignorant sheep. Your government is spending more money than ever to spy on its own citizens. That's YOU, my friend. And if you're one of these people who say, "Well I ain't ever done nothing wrong so why should I worry about it?' - you are dead wrong. Our civil liberties are being taken away faster than you can spit. The NSA is working away on its new "First Intelligence Community Comprehensive National Cyber-security Initiative Data Center' to keep track of every last one of us. This thing will be the size of 17 football stadiums. One million square feet, all to be filled with more technology and data storage than you could imagine. And 30,000 spy drones are set to be launched over America which can each stay aloft for about 28 hours, traveling 300 miles per hour. WHY? Why do we want these things in our skies?

The military is now taking a keen interest in the Microsoft Kinect Spy System, the fastest selling electronic device in history. Conveniently self-installed in over 18 million homes, this seemingly innocent game system, armed with facial recognition programming and real-time recording of both sound and video, will be used by our own government to spy on and record us in our own homes.

And it doesn't stop there. Other game systems such as Nintendo's WWII are also being turned into government-controlled spy systems. WHY?

That's the real question. WHY?!!! Why is our own government spending billions and billions of dollars to spy on its own people? To keep us safe? Do you really believe that?"

Microsoft's Kinect System is Watching You
Published on Apr 5, 2012 by TheAlexJonesChannel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkYgC-AvPGM [youtube.com]

Angry Birds (4, Interesting)

Dan East (318230) | about 2 years ago | (#41788797)

This isn't exactly on-topic, but since the article mentions it, I'll bring it up. As someone who has played games my entire life (starting with Pong on a black ad white TV, growing up through the Arcade craze of the 80s, and every game console in between), I just don't see the appeal of Angry Birds. Sure, the game is well implemented - graphics, sound effects, and music are all very well done.

However, the basic gameplay mechanics are just so-so. It's just a physics simulation. The real problem is that there is such a massive luck factor involved. For example, when someone beats a difficult "level", what is the chance that they can actually reproduce their success in the exact same way? Pretty much impossible. Things happen in a way they neither intended nor predicted. So in other words, Angry Birds is more of a "slot machine" than a skill based game. Is it just the visual satisfaction of seeing a physics simulation smoothly unfold and crap fall down? Sort of like how the bouncing cards after winning Windows Solitaire was always so satisfying in a strange kind of way?

Now that's all good and well. Some people like to play luck based games. But why such a large percent of the population? With this game your skill quickly plateaus and then you're relying on mere chance, which isn't so appealing to me. Is it that their marketing is that good, or that they reached some magic threshold that the franchise is simply self sustaining now?

How many Slashdot readers feel that Angry Birds is the deserved pinnacle and poster child of non-console, non-PC gaming? And if not, what game should be the flagship of this new gaming market?

Re:Angry Birds (5, Funny)

Exitar (809068) | about 2 years ago | (#41788857)

You should write an article about the death of Angry Birds!

Angry Birds explained (2)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about 2 years ago | (#41788907)

It is free (I played it and did NOT feel ANY need to buy any more levels), it is extremely simple and it just plays.

I can't show of a console or pc game to friends at work and they can't install it right there and then on their devices.

Angry Birds is Garfield, it is the most read comic strip in the world but nobody would claim it is the best, it just is so easily available, so easily digestible, that the rest of the comics just can't really compete. First off, not all who read Garfield even want to read comics let alone ones that take effort and further the remaining comics are less all encompasing so they appeal to a smaller section of the general public. Some people like Nukee but it is hard to find, hard to read (you can't just jump in anywhere) and just not funny at all. You might not think Garfield is that funny anymore but at least it raises a smirk for normal people.

Angry Birds is indeed comparable to Solitaire, it is so easy to get, it doesn't have to overcome as much of human laziness.

This doesn't mean it is better then harder to get games, it just means more people seen it.

If Angry Birds was really as good as "proper" games, its owners could have bought Apple by now, they can't. Because people play the free version and that is it. If all who played it bought it, and if all who COULD play it, bought it, it would have ignited the makers bank account. It didn't.

Back to the michelin guide I use in another example, Angry Birds get 0 stars. That doesn't mean it is bad, it just ain't noteworthy while it still might get swamped by local customers.

Your local McD might have lines waiting to be served but it will NEVER be a 3 star restaurant, an experience worth the journey itself. Angry Birds is fast-food, it serves lots but nobody is going to make an hour long journey just to get it.

That people still put up with finicky PC's and expensive consoles just goes to proof how much people still want them.

Want to test Angry Birds appeal for real? Make its users go through a debug session to get it running. If they give up, then it obviously wasn't desirable enough.

If this wasn't slashdot, I could use the girl example. The amount of shit you put up from a girl is directly related to how attractive she is.

Angry Birds would be out the door if she said "hello".

Skyrim can kill your cat, fuck your best mates and pay them for it with your salary while telling everyone your pc is in reality a Dell.

Wired's got an awesome prognostication record (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788819)

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/5.03/ff_push.html

Death of the Magazine? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788827)

Perhaps it time they declared the death of magazines.

Atari 2600 & Pong (2, Interesting)

MindPrison (864299) | about 2 years ago | (#41788831)

I'm one of those kids who's prime was the 80's, I grew up with Atari 2600, Nintendo NES and Commodore 64. I used to program on the commodore 64 in assembly language because I wanted to make those games myself, and did...

However, now...much MUCH later, I still play console games. And I've noticed something over the years next to all my PC gear and consoles...is that consoles have a distinct advantage over the PC, I'll try to mention a few:

- Console games are just...you just start playing already, no need for all the driver-installation fuzz. Very practical.
- The PC is much more forgiving when it comes to BUG fixes, PC versions tend to have more bugs and bug-patch releases, on consoles - you can't afford this so the games actually comes with less bugs in my experience.
- Less cheating: One of my no#1 pet peeves when it comes to online gaming, are cheating bastards, they destroy the fun for everyone else, and they can literally WIPE out an entire planet of avid gamers with their stupid aimbots, wallhacks and frustrate the hell out of seriously good gamers. On consoles, it's not so easy to cheat that any wannabee script kiddie out there can add a patch, simply...it's too hard for them to do it. Less cheating, wonderful!
- Games last longer: This might sound a bit odd, but I love to keep my games forever, and so I keep the consoles forever as well. I still have my Atari 2600, repaired the joystick a 100+ times, but enough OT. The games last longer because the games ages with the consoles. When you purchase NEW PC's or upgrade, you need endless patches and driver updates - buzz killington right there!

Nope, enough reasons above. The consoles will stay. (At least in my house) ;)
 

Re:Atari 2600 & Pong (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788937)

- Console games are just...you just start playing already, no need for all the driver-installation fuzz. Very practical.

ideally, you'd have all the drivers installed and ready to go well before you install any game.

- The PC is much more forgiving when it comes to BUG fixes, PC versions tend to have more bugs and bug-patch releases, on consoles - you can't afford this so the games actually comes with less bugs in my experience.

this was true until the ability to patch console games via online services reared its ugly head. expect even more buggy console games.

- Less cheating: One of my no#1 pet peeves when it comes to online gaming, are cheating bastards, they destroy the fun for everyone else, and they can literally WIPE out an entire planet of avid gamers with their stupid aimbots, wallhacks and frustrate the hell out of seriously good gamers. On consoles, it's not so easy to cheat that any wannabee script kiddie out there can add a patch, simply...it's too hard for them to do it. Less cheating, wonderful!

as console become more and more like computers, more and more of this will appear. for example, with the ps3 encryption keys being released, there could be an upswing of this on the console. on the obverse, pc game companies have stepped up their anti-cheating quite a bit in recent years, so...

- Games last longer: This might sound a bit odd, but I love to keep my games forever, and so I keep the consoles forever as well. I still have my Atari 2600, repaired the joystick a 100+ times, but enough OT. The games last longer because the games ages with the consoles. When you purchase NEW PC's or upgrade, you need endless patches and driver updates - buzz killington right there!

it's not really fair to keep the old console hardware around and say that works, but not also keep the old computer around for those old games.

Re:Atari 2600 & Pong (1)

PRMan (959735) | about 2 years ago | (#41789155)

Same, we had Super Pong, Atari 2600, Atari 8-bit PC, Sega Genesis, Apple //s at school, PC, etc. I've gamed on them all. Now, I mostly choose PC games when possible.

I'm cheap. What can I say? Console games have a $30 license fee that PC games don't have. Plus, I would have to buy an additional controller for $50. So, console game = $59 + $50. PC game = $29.

Also, PC games have way better graphics than even the best console games.

PC games get updates and bugs get fixed. My daughter and I recently played Lego Pirates of the Caribbean on Wii and it was practically unsolvable with 2 player co-op. It kept locking up with no way to update it or fix it. I wish I had bought the PC version.

The console has run its course... (2)

Ritz_Just_Ritz (883997) | about 2 years ago | (#41788837)

I bought an X-box 360 5 or 6 years ago when my kids were 7 or 8 years old. It crapped out on me a couple of times and both times Microsoft "fixed" it and sent me another. Perhaps about 2 years ago, the kids got bored with it and began using the computer for gaming. The Xbox, along with the $1000 or so worth of games, controllers, and other swag sits gathering dust and the kids seem more interested in a fancy phone or tablet these days while they play minecraft online. I'll probably throw the Xbox up on ebay along with all the games and accessories before it becomes completely worthless. No plans here to buy a replacement.

The wii U (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788853)

did the wii u really suck that much?

Challenges (1)

EXTomar (78739) | about 2 years ago | (#41788855)

The "life span" of other consumer hardware can be measured in months while consoles, which are supposed to be high tech pieces of equipment, move at a glacial pace. It isn't surprising that some believe this is why consoles as a "sealed set top box" is done. Hell 5 years from now the TV itself could have a hardware that is more advanced and powerful than console released next year.

It feels like the industry is shifting more towards a PC-style "We provide the software, you provide the hardware" which would seem to favor Android. Apple can stay in the game if they are aggressive with design and hardware releases with proper generation support. The classic players need to adjust to a more "sliding spec" platform that others feature or be left in the dust by simple technology drift.

Re:Challenges (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | about 2 years ago | (#41788933)

The "life span" of other consumer hardware can be measured in months while consoles, which are supposed to be high tech pieces of equipment, move at a glacial pace. It isn't surprising that some believe this is why consoles as a "sealed set top box" is done. Hell 5 years from now the TV itself could have a hardware that is more advanced and powerful than console released next year.

I checked this: XBox 360 was introduced November 2005. At that time the current desktop Macintosh was an iMac G5 with one single core G5 processor running around 2 GHz. Now it's October 2012. The XBox 360 is the same. The current desktop Macintosh is a quad core Intel processor with hyperthreading, with 256 bit vector operations, capable of about 50 GFlop/sec (twice that in single precision). Intel integrated graphics probably runs circles around the XBox 360. About the same happened with PCs.

Not dead. (2)

gallondr00nk (868673) | about 2 years ago | (#41788859)

Unlike PC games, which may require finicky custom settings, consoles 'just work,' fans have long pointed out. Well, so does the iPad.

My washing machine "just works", it doesn't mean game consoles are losing market share to it.

Games consoles and iPads are completely different things. Just because it has a processor and a screen and UI doesn't mean its the bloody same.

No, not obsolete (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 2 years ago | (#41788873)

However in this economy if you have to choose between a pc that can do school work and play a game decenly and a device that can only play games great since it has dedicated hardware optimized for pushing pixels, guess which one wins.

I do agree that they are becoming less relevant for the average household but they are not obsolete.

The Rise of the Casual (1)

watcher-rv4 (2712547) | about 2 years ago | (#41788879)

Casual gamers. Yes, casual gamers, the ones who still play at consoles, these guys will have a real chance of moving to new devices, like iPads. Casual gamers are the ones who put millions in that damned Facebook app market of games. Casual gamers will be always casual gamers. The chicken of the golden eggs, obviously, has moved from real pro gamers to the casual. Real pro gamers can't even feel comfortable playing at small screens. Don't care about facebook gaming and all that stuff. Real pro gamers are not in the consoles, they build their machines to the games, they buy games, they buy a keyboard of $150. This tinny market still lives, very small, but still lives.

game-twerps ... gag 'em with a spoon (1)

noshellswill (598066) | about 2 years ago | (#41788899)

Why should anyone who is anyone care? Who, but snot.nosed pimple-face twerps who haven't yet got their first dry-hump play console games? Didn't that unproductive crap end with PACMAN or something? At least 9/10 PC_gamrz build their own kit.

Shut up. (1)

LoRdTAW (99712) | about 2 years ago | (#41788901)

I have to admit I like to play phone games simply because many are free or really cheap and I can play anytime, anywhere.

I started playing videogames in 1982/3 when my father bought a Franklin Ace 1200 (think it was a 1200), an Apple II clone. The first game I remember playing was one called Short Circuit, in fact I played it recently on an emulator. From there I played various games on a Canon 8086, ATT PC6300 (8088), then in 1987 we got an NES. Amazing! From there my brother and I pretty much played PC and console games in parallel, maybe a bit more NES. in the 1990's we played a lot of SNES. Then the internet rolled around, FPS and online multiplayer started becoming big and we went mostly PC (some Playstation thrown in along with N64 and GC and finally the 360).

Today I have a demanding job and side business and I simply don't have the time for video games like I used to. I used to put in many hours of TF2 per week (at least 10), and play on the 360 from time to time but now I just break out the phone while relaxing in bed watching TV after a long day. I still play PC games, spent an entire sunday a few weeks ago playing TF2 MvM and a bit of Crysis warhead. The Xbox360 has mostly just collected dust and probably be put to use an a netflix player in the future. My console buying days are over. I also don't own a tablet but I may buy an android tablet if I can find a good use for one. To me a tablet is an oversized smartphone without the cellular radio. I find its only useful for games and internet which my phone does just fine. It can't run EDA tools, CAD, compilers or FPS games which my PC and laptop do just fine.

My brother is a much different person, he is a video games junkie, and that led to him to going to college to become a developer. He went in not knowing C code from a screw driver and came out with a ton of programming knowledge (his final group project was a simple networked multiplayer RTS which worked) . He recently worked for a web developer doing back end code and is now trying to get into Blizzard where his girlfriend currently works. He mainly plays PC games and has an extensive Steam library.

Right now Bad Piggies from Rovio has me hooked. Simple physics based game that can have hilarious results. The kind of games where you can pop on and play for a few minutes, close it and come back are becoming more popular, the so-called casual gamer market. And casual games are simple enough to work on phones and tablets as they require minimal interaction (world of Goo and plants vs zombies are good examples that started out on the PC). You mostly tapping or swiping a finger around vs juggling multiple keys on a KB, a mouse while yelling into a mic and getting yelled at.

Name is dead (2)

dagamer34 (1012833) | about 2 years ago | (#41788915)

The game console will never die, but calling it that certainly will. When people spend far more time doing non-gaming activities, it behooves Microsoft and Sony not to call it that anymore so they can try to grab a wider audience. They want people to rent movies, buy TV shows, listen to music, download apps, etc... in addition to playing games on this device. In fact, if you could record and watch live TV, the cable set top box would be dead (and that's the real market they are trying to go after). With the apparent success of the $99 Xbox 360 w/ subscription, we are going to see Microsoft push that model further with the next Xbox. I'd say buy the console for $200 (high-end SKU), then for $30/month for at least 2 years, get Xbox Live Gold, Xbox Music, and maybe 1 free movie rental a month. The last part clearly indicates it's a media machine, and people have gotten used to paying monthly bills for cellphones and stuff like Netflix and Hulu Plus. Considering the Xbox 360 isn't that much cheaper now than it was when it launched ($299 & $399), the only reasonable reason not to buy a new console immediately is because it lacks any tangible functionality over the old one (back when they only played games). Oh, and the next Xbox must be FAR better at multi-tasking. Taking 3 minutes to boot an app is ridiculous. NEEDS MORE RAM.

Re:Name is dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41789277)

People have enough bills to pay, they don't want to pay more with their already growing debts. And calling them Consoles is rediculous, SNES is a real console, these are just glorified PCs that need patches.

Lame article that doesn't belong on slashdot... (1)

blahplusplus (757119) | about 2 years ago | (#41788923)

... lets face it, it's just trying to cause controversy where there is none for hits and ad revenue. For anyone who can think seriously, the video game industries costs grew too fast as CPU and 3D hardware power relentlessly advanced at breakneck speed between 1995 and 2007 (about the time we hit ghz speed limit) that increased the costs of developing games on all platforms. Teams of 10-30 people grew to teams of 400+ that is a huge sea change in how games are made and developed and many companies are still on the edge of failure (just look at THQ's stock price). Compare early games like Doom, Descent and wolf 3D to any modern game graphics wise and you'll begin to understand enormous costs increase in terms of time, talent and money. The time it took to create the art assets for those games vs a modern game is enormous.

The fidelity that allowed better visuals attracted a new audience to games that would not have been interested in games in previous eras: People who are essentially tenuous/non-gamers. So you have a generational divide of people who's first console or PC games were games from 2002 ish onward and have never played any games from previous generations on both console and PC.

All games on all plaforms that go for AAA visuals and audio have been suffering growing pains, many games have suffered quality reduction in gameplay while gaining story and great audio visuals. There is a massive divide: Players that want movies rendered on their computers, and players that want actual games.

These articles are just nonsense because the whole industry still is undergoing massive structural changes in order to develop procedural generation tools to drive down the costs of making high fidelity AAA games and even Nintendo is struggling to put out quality games (witness the reaction to metroid other M).

Lots of fad type successes like minecraft and angry birds were clones of games that already existed, and minecraft is more software you can just tool around in then a game. Angry birds is a rip off of tonnes of games that were done better long before it was made.

What goes into many games success is sheer chance and randomness of the aesthetic presentation, Angry birds as the typpe of game it is was done before with different art and graphics. Trying to argue that angry birds 'is the future of games' is nonsense because they aren't even the same audience. People who play angry birds a tenuous / casual gamers, or angry birds is the type of game you load up while waiting in a doctors office/line to get on a plane/etc. It's no a sign of some massive sea change in gaming.

This has happened before, and will happen again. (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 2 years ago | (#41788927)

Arcade cabinets were single game systems with dedicated hardware -- Then the hardware became more general purpose and support more games, but you still had one game per box. Game consoles allowed you to swap games and re-use the hardware, but the hardware wasn't as good as the Arcades, so arcades flourished...

Then, consoles took over as the primary game systems -- Their graphics eventually reached and surpassed that of the arcade cabinet graphics, and were far cheaper both in time and money to play. They were smaller, more approachable by the masses. Consoles were still limited by the selection of games you could play on them though. The Personal Computer was evolving in much the same ways as the consoles, more general purpose (you could run different OSs not just different games), but much of the hardware wasn't as good as a dedicated game console, so game consoles flourished...

Soon, personal computers will take over as the primary game systems -- Their graphics have reached and surpassed that of the dedicated game console, and are smaller (mobile) and more approachable by the masses; Indeed, most folks already have one (even feature phones run games), and will continue to need some form of general purpose computer -- Why buy an Arcade full of cabinets when you can buy 3 or 5 game consoles? Why buy 4 game consoles when you can buy one Personal Computer.

What's interesting to me is that the OS is next in line for obsolescence. Game developers don't want to be locked in to one platform or the other -- Ignoring market segments is throwing away money needlessly. Cross platform games are only marginally more effort (in testing) than single platform games. Face it: Few studios make engines, and engine devs are under pressure from publishers to increase market share via multi-platform support.

It's not so much the death of a "game console" it's the death of dedicated hardware. A Calculator? A Document Viewer? A Watch? A Web Browser? A Game Console? General purpose hardware is the future -- OS choice shouldn't limit your selection of applications... MS and Apple don't want true OS agnostic cross platform software (they want THEIR software to run on different hardware, but they don't want end user programs to have the same benefit in regards to OS platforms). This is why ensuring we can run whatever software we want on our hardware is essential...

The Death of Game Consoles is the Death of Vendor-Locked-in Applications. It's only a matter of time. Those complaints console fanbois have about controllers, screens, or hardware support will eventually be ironed out (they largely are already). I can hook my wireless controller to my Nexus7, and my Nexus 7 to my TV -- I do the same with my PC. Is it a "Game Console" when I use it like one, or do you think they really mean, "Death of the Dedicated Game Console"?

Social gaming (1)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | about 2 years ago | (#41788935)

I find that the reasons that I favor consoles in our family is simply that it get's us in the same room around the same screen doing something that is important to human beings: Interacting socially.

Just today my kids were playing New Super Mario Bros on the Wii. Are tha graphics great? No. Is it a cutting edge and super innovative game? No. But do they get along better than one of them hogging the Android tablet and shoving the others away? Hell yes.

Do I think phones/tablets will replace consoles? Definitely. But only once we can (hopefully wirelessly) connect them to the TV and the controllers. Playing alone sucks.

Portable consoles (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788947)

If Wired had predicted the death of portable consoles, I would have agreed with them. Tablets/smartphones can and will take that market, in time.

PCs are no more likely to destroy consoles now than they were 5 years ago, or at any time.

The next generation of consoles will be cheaper than the last (through the consoles life-cycle) - console manufacturers know that the global recession has changed the playing field. MS has already been successful in promoting very cheap up-front console prices, $99 plus 2 year online contract ($360 over 2 years, $15/month) for the 360.

If console manufacturers chose to make even more costly machines with even more costly games, that would be a fatal mistake. But I don't think it will happen.

Not written by a gamer. I'd say he doesn't know 1 (0)

JohnnyComeLately (725958) | about 2 years ago | (#41788961)

The arguments in the summary don't follow logic and it's obvious the author doesn't understand gaming when he tries to say with a straight face that an iPad will replace a console. I have two iPads in my household, well three if you include the one I'm giving my 4 year old for Christmas in two months, and three consoles (a Wii, Xbox360, and Xbox360 Slim. My 10 year old is just as much a gamer as I am in my early 40s. You won't find us putting down the controller for the console to go play the tablet. If we're playing the tablet, it's because the console isn't available, such as at the store, in a hotel, at the airport, driving to school, at work, etc.

This is why you'll continue to see COD, GOW, and other epic titles getting way more play than Angry Birds. I really can't believe the best iPad app game the author could come up with that is Angry Birds. Yes, never mind a shooter game that takes 23 hours of game play, has a plot, is multiplayer, horde/survival/whatever modes, etc isn't even in the same league or continent as a game where I slide my finger across a screen to whack pigs with a bird. Actually, now I'm angry at the editor or whomever that published such a retarded piece of dung, aka an article... Then again, it is the Internet.

Just stop, please (2)

argStyopa (232550) | about 2 years ago | (#41788993)

2006:the death of consoles.
2007:the death of the gaming PC
2008:the death of consoles.
2009:the death of the gaming PC
2010:the death of consoles.
2011:the death of the gaming PC
2012: (now) the death of consoles.

Both seem just fine.

The fact is that yes, ipads can play Angry Birds gloriously. I (personally) don't know how well they play the bazillion flash games at armorgames.com or kongregate.com that seem to be very entertaining for the gamer-set that likes those sorts of tactical-reflex games. So they're not replacing PCs EVEN IN THAT SPECIFIC DEMO.
Further, I'm not a consoleer, but for them intuitive quick controls and immersiveness seem to be almost everything. The controls on touch pads are, well, touchpads (and suck, mostly). You are also never going to get the immersiveness of Call of Duty 4 on a 9" ipad screen, compared to the 54" plasma with 7.1 sound.

I'm sure they're just trying to sell more magazines but seriously can we move on from this conception of the zero-sum gamer's market?

other predictions (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41788995)

The business model for books is coming to an end. Books are obsolete compared to magazines.

Apples to Oranges that have long become rotten (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41789007)

You can't compare Angry Birds to Mario, because, quite frankly, Mario is not what it once was.

Also, no, gamers are not flocking to the micro-download market. There is still the exact same demand for hard-core gaming there always ways. Either it's a sidestory to the hardcore games they are still going to buy, or it's people who weren't buying hardcore games in the first place. Yes, gamers want an iPad, because, honestly, EVERYONE WANTS AN iPAD.

Instead of Mario, why don't we compare Angry Birds to say, BIOSHOCK. Yeah, doesn't compare anymore, does it?

Blasphemous (1)

patchouly (1755506) | about 2 years ago | (#41789035)

"Angry Birds is becoming more attractive than Mario"?!? That sir is blasphemous!

Mouse. Keyboard. Win. (1)

gravyface (592485) | about 2 years ago | (#41789061)

If you play any kind of tactical shooter, or turn-based/real-time strategy, you're going to want to play it on a computer. There's just no comparison to a proper keyboard and mouse setup for more-involved, complex games.

Casual gamers (2)

ildon (413912) | about 2 years ago | (#41789125)

People keep conflating casual gamers with actual gamers. Casual gamers bought the Wii as a fad. They had their little Wii parties. They bought Wii Fit and no other games. After about 6 months when the fad died down they put the Wii in the closet and forgot about it. This is the same demographic whose only other games are Angry Birds, Farmville, and Words With Friends. They might have owned an NES when they were 10 years old, or maybe their older sibling's hand-me-down PlayStation 1, but they never bought their own games, they have no retail PC games, they don't have Steam installed, they don't own a full sized PC, and they certain don't own a PS3 or Xbox 360. If they are parents, they might have bought a console for their kid, but they only use it for NetFlix.

This casual gamer demographic caused a massive spike in sales from the Wii fad, and a tiny spike from the smaller follow-up Kinect fad, but it's unlikely they'll buy any consoles in the upcoming generation, and that's fine. If the console manufacturers were relying on them for their own projections, then that's their mistake from not understanding their audience. It doesn't mean consoles are dead. The core gamer demographic is still going to buy consoles, and still going to grow slowly and steadily. Maybe some other fad will come along and give them a similar spike, but they would be fools to rely on it in their business model.

I was never all that excited about console-based (1)

macbeth66 (204889) | about 2 years ago | (#41789135)

or PC-based gaming.

I played them for the social aspect, like a bunch of guys getting together for a LAN based game, all the while missing the old fashioned pinball games with a real table and a metal ball banging against the glass.

There would be a beer standing on the shelf next to the table and a cigarette dangling from my lips, the smoke getting in my eyes and the score getting better as I got more inebriated. Or teaching the hot chick how to play pool, even though we both knew I knew she already knew how to shoot.

Angry Birds on the phone brings a little of that old feeling back. A dumb game to be sure, but playing it, side by side with my wife, trading tactics and discussing the issues of our lives is very relaxing.

But the hunt is missing; I already know I'm getting laid later.

Sorry, a little off-topic, but I've been through all the 'this is dying, that is dying'. So what? It's always been an evolution.

Re:I was never all that excited about console-base (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41789369)

This.

Getting hammered and playing pool with attractive women is awesome.

Come to Phuket or Pattaya, you won't regret it.

booze-fuelled

Doubt it (1)

HalAtWork (926717) | about 2 years ago | (#41789289)

The iPad has a really small screen compared to my TV, and a lot of games I want to play just aren't available for it. Sometimes I want to use my iPad while I'm in the middle of gaming, and that would get really annoying, especially if it was connected to my TV to display the game (in an ideal scenario). What gamepad would I use to control it anyway? There are multiple bluetooth game controllers but not one standard, and most iPad games don't even support them at all. I don't game on my touch device as it is, I don't find myself drawn to any of the games, and I don't think that will change soon.

In addition, I also don't like the way many touch games display ads and promotions and offer upgrades, even if you have paid for the full versions. Some of this stuff is making its way into console games in certain ways and I don't appreciate the influence. I hope the touch experience stays far away from console gaming.

attention span (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41789339)

no one has an attention span capable of doing anything for more than five seconds and i feel peoples gaming needs are reflecting that currently. instead of games being simple because of hardware limitations, it seems almost like games are becoming more simple (and the simple old school ones are being revived) just so that this next generation of media zombies can get their gaming fix as well.

History repeats itself. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41789359)

Remember when we had the VCSs, Intellivisions and ColecoVisions? Then around 83-84 the Big Crash of Videogames? See e.g. here [wikipedia.org] .

We've heard these stories before.

What's more of a problem is that the "ownership" of your personal computer is slowly but surely wrestled away from you and towards Microsoft.

I proclaim the death of all computers everywhere (1)

elabs (2539572) | about 2 years ago | (#41789371)

Mark my words. It'll happen someday.
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