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Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer: Forget the iPad, Surface Is the Tablet People Want

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the flame-on dept.

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zacharye writes "Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer undoubtedly knows that Apple has sold more than 100 million iPad tablets at this point, but according to the outspoken executive, that's not the tablet people really want. While speaking with CNBC, Ballmer said no company has built a tablet he believes customers want. 'You can go through the products from all those guys and none of them has a product that you can really use. Not Apple. Not Google. Not Amazon. Nobody has a product that lets you work and play that can be your tablet and your PC. Not at any price point,' he says."

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First impressions on Surface (-1, Troll)

DogKia (2761911) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806251)

I know I'm just an ordinary user like you, but I really like Surface tablet. It's elegant, fast and powerful, and it does all the things I need it to do. iPad gets close there, but for me, Surface is the clear winner.

I don't do fancy things like programming or extensive photo editing, just normal every day uses like Facebook, Twitter and Netflix. Surface has great support for these and Metro makes it better and more powerful. But then again, I'm just an ordinary guy, not a programmer or anything.

Re:First impressions on Surface (5, Funny)

Literaphile (927079) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806335)

Wow - that's probably the clearest example of a shill comment that I've ever seen.

Re:First impressions on Surface (2)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806605)

Can't be... Microsoft doesn't use the "Metro" name anymore. All salesmen are supposed to use the new names for the various components. Shills are ethical and always follow the rules, right?

Re:First impressions on Surface (4, Interesting)

ByOhTek (1181381) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806815)

wooooosh.

I believe the term for that comment is 'sarcasm' not shill. Tone doesn't translate over text well, but the user's word uses made it clear - that was definitely sarcasm.

That being said, I'll take a NON-RT tablet over anything out there at the moment. Compared to the RT tablets, you're better off with an iPad, and if you are better off with an iPad, you might as well get one of the better Androids out there. The non-RTs however, can use normal Windows software, which means they don't have the walled garden restriction of the iPad or RT. Mind you, they are x86, so battery life and/or weight probably are a bit sucky.

Re:First impressions on Surface (5, Informative)

Idimmu Xul (204345) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806367)

You can't do extensive photo editing or programming on an iPad either.

I just spent 6 weeks travelling with an iPad and the only thing it was really useful for was uploading photos I'd taken to and using it as a nice display to present the images to people I met. I did manage to edit up a video in iMovie to a reasonable degree though.

What *killed* it for me was the crappy keyboard and the limitations of IOS. I had to download an app in order to download and play freely available, legal MP3s off Soundcloud.

For my next trip I'm going to get a Mac Air I think, hardware wise the Surface looks exactly like it's what I want to be honest, but I'd miss OS X.

Download an app???? NO!!!! (3, Interesting)

etresoft (698962) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806537)

I can't remotely log in to my Linux machines and do programming on my iPad. I can't create presentations on it. I can't do photo editing or drawing. I can write papers for grad school.

No. wait. I can do all of those thing on my 1st gen iPad.

Nevermind.

Re:Download an app???? NO!!!! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806609)

Wait. You're trying to do real work on a tablet? I'll see you in 34 years after you write your first "grad school" paper using only a tablet.

Just because the capability exists, it doesn't mean that it does the job very well.

Re:Download an app???? NO!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806615)

Yeah, I can remote shell into my computer and the DoD and launch a nuclear weapon. So that means i can use an iPad to start a nuclear war!

moron

Re:Download an app???? NO!!!! (3, Informative)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | about a year and a half ago | (#41807025)

Why the insult? Being able to remote in to more powerful resources was the essence of client-server, web, and now cloud computing (predated by things such as X11's network transparent model). Just because you don't mash the bits on the iPad's CPU doesn't mean it won't allow you to get your specific task done, whether that is compute PI, or start a thermonuclear war, or do image processing using a gang of remote servers.

Personally I don't like the default input modes of iPad and Android devices (and MS Surface is still vaporware in my part of the World). The simple addition of a Bluetooth keyboard and your productivity goes up. You need a Net connection to be useful but it is getting more and more rare to be out of range of a 3G network in my part of the World.

So, IMHO, your statements show a mindset stuck in somewhat dated concepts about what constitutes a useful device or not. The iPad/Android etc are no less powerful that a web browser with access to the Net (where the millions of Google's Linux boxen will crunch all sorts of stuff for you; search; map, translate etc).

Re:Download an app???? NO!!!! (5, Insightful)

Overzeetop (214511) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806825)

You can do all that with a crayon, too, but I wouldn't recommend it. I've hand compiled programs into machine code with no more than a pencil and a legal pad. I've edited photos by coloring them in, or by hand-cutting masks for use in a dark room. I've written term papers with a pen and ruled notebook paper. And I have both a 1st and 3rd gen iPad.

You can do all those things on an iPad, but it's a painful, slow, imprecise process which pales in comparison to even the most basic laptop (like my 11" Acer Timeline), and is only slightly less arduous than a root canal when compared to a fully featured computer (like my quad core i7 with a 30"+2x20" color corrected IPS monitors).

The GP is correct - you can't do any sort of real photo editing on an iPad. Or general drawing,drafting, or handwritten note-taking for any kind of advanced or technical class that can't be done better with a pencil and paper. IMHO, Jobs missed the boat on creative types by not putting a Wacom-style digitizer over the screen. Lightroom or Photoshop on such a beast would be very cool indeed. As it is, it's no better than a crayon, which is what the best stylus is. Yes, I can touch type on it, but get into anything that requires lots of numbers or symbols and you will either become one with the shift key or decide that it's faster just to wait to get back to the office and type on a real keyboard.

I like the iPad, and it's passable for content creation or editing for temporary or low-intensity products. It may still be as good or better than the Surface. But, on average, it's nowhere near high efficiency for technical or detailed artistic creation.

Re:First impressions on Surface (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806611)

Your funny. You complain about the limitations of the one, just to jump into another with similar limitations. Why not jump ship from the company that isn't delivering what you need? I just saw an advertisement for Intel's laptop/tablet computer. I've not read up on it, but if it is x86 compatible (or x64), with a standard OS, isn't that worth considering?

Re:First impressions on Surface (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806879)

WTF? MacOS X doesn't have nearly the limitations of iOS. I'd rather have Windows XP or 7, but OS X isn't the walled garden of iOS. You hit your head or something?

Re:First impressions on Surface (1, Insightful)

Mike Buddha (10734) | about a year and a half ago | (#41807213)

Oh, it will be. Why do you think Apple wanted us all to ease into buying all our software on the App Store in OSX? It's not for OUR financial health...

Re:First impressions on Surface (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806847)

You can't do extensive photo editing or programming on an iPad either.

You're clearly a Linux shill, because everything you just wrote is completely false.

iPhoto allows you to do quite a bit of photo editing directly in the app. You can trivially program on an iPad, though you'll most likely want a bluetooth keyboard for heavy text entry.

Re:First impressions on Surface (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806967)

You do know what the word "extensive" means, don't you?

Re:First impressions on Surface (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806379)

Thanks, guy.

Re:First impressions on Surface (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806413)

So you are saying that the Surface is better at Facebook, Twitter and Netflix than the iPad? At best a toss up, but the iPad likely should win because of the maturity of the Apps and the integration into the OS.

Re:First impressions on Surface (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806471)

DogKia,

Your contract clearly states that your posts must be illustrated with at least 3 examples, and "appeal to the user base of the site". You did give three examples, but only two are related to the topics that Slashdot users would care about (Facebook and Twitter are commonly disparaged on this site). The "first post" bonus only applies if the main criteria are met.

Sincerely,
Management

Re:First impressions on Surface (1)

P-niiice (1703362) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806709)

I do want a tablet that I can do regular PC stuff on when I want, especially music stuff with my wind controller. Surface RT isn't it any more than the IPad is, But the Pro model could be.

Re:First impressions on Surface (1)

Captain.Abrecan (1926372) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806787)

I can't run real cad apps on android and ipad either. There are shitty autocad drawing readers, but it isn't like I can run a full parametric program like solidworks on it. Can't really do any work at all, for that matter. The devices are built around consuming content: watching, reading, looking, listengin, buying. Not creating or working at all. That is why the first computing device that I buy instead of build on my own is going to be a windows 8 surface tablet. It is the right fit for me.

Astroturfers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806893)

> Facebook, Twitter and Netflix

This is the 99% win for iPads - iPad will do all of this.

The truth about the surface: Making a laptop without a keyboard or a mouse, and making it touch screen _DOES NOT_ make a tablet. It's a laptop without a keyboard, and a shitty flappy keyboard added on. The touchscreen is about SOFTWARE. Microsoft have done NOTHING except add a 5 minute html5 scrolling menu system. Who the fuck cares about this?

The ONLY way Microsoft are going to sell any of these is because of uninformed customers and idiotic wool-over-the-eyes marketing from Microsoft.

Example: Microsoft told people that the stores would open at 8am, then didn't open until 10am, to help build "CROWDS" of 20 people outside them. Pathetic.

Surface is dire - it is a stupid idea compounded by stupid people, further compounded by the fact that Microsoft "has" to get this to work - even their Room 101 can't rewrite this as another "Stepping stone" and make the idiots forget about them trashing YET ANOTHER ecosystem and investment?

As long as there are idiots, there will be Microsoft.

In Your Dreams Mr. B. (4, Insightful)

oDDmON oUT (231200) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806307)

One vendor lockin in enough and with the Copyright Board saying jailbreaking tablets is verboten, one is all I care to have.

Ballmer said that? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806319)

Get out!

There you go again Ballmer (5, Insightful)

CajunArson (465943) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806333)

"Nobody has a product that lets you work and play that can be your tablet and your PC. Not at any price point,"

That's actually a true statement. Ballmer's problem is that it is still a true statement after Surface debuts.

Re:There you go again Ballmer (2, Informative)

CastrTroy (595695) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806525)

I would have to say that a MacBook Air (if you don't really care about touch, or a Dell XPS Touch Ultrabook with the flip around screen if you insist on a touch interface, would come pretty close to this. The MBA and ultrabooks are basically small enough that they take up about the same amount of space as a tablet, yet they contain a real OS and a real keyboard that let you get real work done. The problem is that for the price of them, you could pick up both a laptop and a tablet, and have the best of both worlds. For days when you need a laptop, bring the laptop (and tablet too if you want) for days when you know you probably won't need a laptop, just bring the tablet. Both the iPad and the Surface RT suffer from the problem of running different operating systems than your standard desktop or laptop which means there's a lot of business applications that just won't run.

Re:There you go again Ballmer (5, Insightful)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806555)

That's because 'work' is almost always (except a very few niche cases) about creation, and creation without precision input devices is tedious and frustrating. Precision input in this case means a keyboard that I can type at full speed on, and a pointing device that is pixel accurate. Even with the keyboard cover that the surface uses, I don't think it meets either of those criteria.

Re:There you go again Ballmer (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806637)

It will be interesting to see if they actually get their sh1t together for "surface 2" or whatever they will call it. Right now Microsoft seems to be firmly in the middle of a "crap nobody wants" cycle with Windows 8 and Surface. And with Surface, I see some potential in the concept, they just fumbled the delivery badly.

MS Surface problems (5, Insightful)

WillAdams (45638) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806337)

- too expensive
  - too confusing (it's obvious that the iPad won't run Mac OS X apps, it's not obvious that the RT Surface won't run Windows apps)
  - too late

(and I write this as a guy who'd like to replace his Fujitsu Stylistic Tablet PC w/ a Surface (Intel version, if it's possible to install Mac OS X on it)

Re:MS Surface problems (2, Insightful)

nurbles (801091) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806803)

- too expensive

Compared to what? a 64GB iPad (3rd generation) is $649 and a 64GB Surface tablet is $699, but the surface comes with a cover that includes a stand and a keyboard AND a customized version of Office. Both will run anything you can find in their App Store -- granted, Apple's has a bit more at the moment, but that could easily change. So, to me, the Surface seems more like a bargain than the iPad.

- too confusing (it's obvious that the iPad won't run Mac OS X apps, it's not obvious that the RT Surface won't run Windows apps)

Obvious to who? When I first saw an iPad I expected it to share apps with a Mac. At least the Surface will do that, since the Win8 desktop can also run things from the App Store. I don't know Apple, so the Mac may be able to access the App Store, too, which would still leave the Surface as a better bargain because of the included extras (heck, it even has a full-sized USB port -- does Apple ever use standard ports or devices?)

- too late

Too late like AMD getting into the PC CPU market? Too late like Android coming out after the iPhone? With the Microsoft behemoth behind it, Surface may stand an actual chance. Unlike the Zune, which no one really wanted to begin with, a significant number of people have been looking/searching/waiting for an alternative to the Apple-dominated tablet market. Personally, I'm happy with my Xoom, but I can easily see the appeal of Surface for large number of people who grew up on Microsoft-based systems.

A bit of disclosure: I dislike Apple because I seem to be incapable of using things without thinking about what I'm doing FIRST and even attempting that makes Apple products much more difficult to use. I dislike Microsoft because, as a developer for [mostly] Microsoft-based software for the past 30 years or so, I've felt my life was controlled by their whims on changing OS and compiler features. I don't like Windows 8 because my desktop is *NOT* a phone or tablet and I think it is wrong to assume all devices benefit from the same interface -- that is just plain dumb thinking.

Re:MS Surface problems (2)

klapaucjusz (1167407) | about a year and a half ago | (#41807111)

- too expensive

Compared to what?

Compared to a laptop.

The netbook I currently use on trips cost €220. Since it's fully encrypted, it means that having it stolen or leaving it on the train is a fairly minor annoyance (I've had one stolen already).

Since I have a nice laptop at home and a nice desktop at work, I'd gladly replace it with a tablet, as long as I can encrypt the flash, view PDFs, run LaTeX, and plug in a projector. But not at that price.

Re:MS Surface problems (1)

sinan (10073) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806951)

To me it's OK, if it doesn't run full OS X. If it runs
1)TouchOSC
2)Logic compatible Music creation(Like GarageBand)

It might be a useful addition to what I have.

Sorry Ballmer, you're not a vampire. (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806353)

Dear Ballmer:

Steve Jobs is dead for real and you did not consume his soul. You do not have his magical ability to tell people what they want. You totally got screwed by that exorcist or whatever wacko you paid for Jobs' soul.

Apple has sold 100 million units (4, Insightful)

nthitz (840462) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806375)

Somebody seems to be wanting those iPads

Re:Apple has sold 100 million units (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806543)

Queue the usual internet-dribble from bitter young men that they're only purchased by hipsters, sheeple and the like.

Re:Apple has sold 100 million units (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806621)

kids threatening to have a tantrum?

Returning surface (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806381)

I was excited to get my surface on Friday. By Sunday I decided to return it. I found it to be a compromise both as a tablet and a laptop. Many ui items are too small and I did not like the transitions from tablet ui to laptop ui and back again. I love the custom tiles of the start screen, unfortunately I found it to be all downhill from there.

Ballmer, back to the previous tablet mistake (5, Insightful)

Quila (201335) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806685)

Microsoft has had their OS in tablets for years and they never took off. The reason: They tried to be both a tablet and a PC.

The iPad showed tablets work great as tablets, not PCs, and vice-versa, and in one year probably sold more than all other tablets combined in history.

Now Ballmer wants to do the combined tablet/PC again. Honest, it'll work this time.

He is right in a way (1)

portwojc (201398) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806395)

Wether they know it or not consumers really want a tablet they can what they want with it. Not what you just give them. Which is what everybody is doing.

Re:He is right in a way (1)

Captain.Abrecan (1926372) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806841)

Right. A windows tablet. Like the surface. A tablet that runs all the shit that I have been using on windows for the last 10 years.

Less space than a nomad (0)

bazorg (911295) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806401)

After "developers, developers" and the chair incident, Ballmer wants another quote for the hall of fame :)

Re:Less space than a nomad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806511)

^ generic unoriginal karma whore humor attempt.

Re:Less space than a nomad (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806661)

^ generic hissy retort from Microsoft shill #1437.

Wake Up! Ballmer's driving Microsoft off a cliff! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806439)

http://www.vccircle.com/blog/2012/10/29/wake-ballmers-driving-microsoft-cliff

But there is far more reason to be skeptical. Apple created these markets with new products about which people had few, if any conceptions. But today customers have strong viewpoints on both what a smartphone and tablet should be like to use - and what they expect from Microsoft. And these two viewpoints are almost diametrically opposed.

Yet Microsoft has tried bridging them in the new product - and in doing so guaranteed the products will do poorly. By trying to please everyone Microsoft, like the Ford Edsel, is going to please almost no one.

Does it have a pressure sensitive, 200+dpi stylus? (3, Interesting)

Overzeetop (214511) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806449)

If not, then don't bother me until it does. If I want a crayon-level interface, I'll go with the one that has a bazillion apps for all my media content consuming needs. When a really useful, 256+ pressure level, pen-accurate input with palm/heel rejection gets here, then I'll consider switching.

Re:Does it have a pressure sensitive, 200+dpi styl (1, Informative)

mcelrath (8027) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806761)

The Surface Pro [microsoft.com] does. Here is a longer list [live.com] of Windows 8 tablets with DPI > 150 and a stylus. I find 150 DPI to be the minimum if you want subscripts to be legible when placing a full page on screen (width maximized). Of course, the higher the better.

I've long been frustrate that Apple decided to forgo the stylus (and all others are playing copycat), and I'm really really frustrated that no one else sees the utility and use case in a computer that acts like paper (facepalm). I'll give Windows 8 a try for 5 or 10 minutes, but then Ubuntu and Xournal [sourceforge.net] are going on mine. I'm also really frustrated that all these morons decided a 16:9 TV screen is the only way to make a computer screen: they're substantially narrower and taller than a Letter or A4 piece of paper. But at least they've finally returned to the desired DPI and stylus feature-point. The last time that happened was 2007 with the Thinkpad x61 tablet (with the SXGA+ screen upgrade).

Re:Does it have a pressure sensitive, 200+dpi styl (4, Informative)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806781)

Galaxy Note 10.1 It has 1,024 degrees of pressure and palm/heel rejection.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/15/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-review/ [engadget.com]

Track Record (4, Insightful)

ericdano (113424) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806465)

Go back and look at Balmer's track record with his "statements". It's not really good at all.

Re:Track Record (5, Funny)

Trashcan Romeo (2675341) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806757)

How does this even warrant a post? "CEO Tells Ludicrous Falsehood To Promote His Product" isn't exactly a rare occurrence.

Re:Track Record (2)

sconeu (64226) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806883)

Mod parent up.

What else was Ballmer going to say? :The iPad is awesomer than our product"?

Re:Track Record (3, Insightful)

ericdano (113424) | about a year and a half ago | (#41807027)

True, but he has a huge track record of saying shit that is not nor will ever be true. I still don't know why he is the CEO...

Listen to th market not the CEO (4, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806489)

Yes. Tim Cook Will say the iPad is what people want. Balmer will say the Surface is what people want. Google will be pushing Chrome...

Time will tell what people really want. Focus group are sometimes wrong. Even what the internet buzz thinks it want isn't what people really want.

We here tend to figure if people didn't make the same choice that we made, some how their decision is corrupted by marketing, or misinformation, while we are more pure... But we all see things and weight them differently. If someone says they like x for reason y. You really shouldn't discredit reason y, if reason y is important to them. Reason y may not matter to you. But that is the great thing about choice... We get to pick what we want. So trying to discredit someone elses choice is just stupid.

Re:Listen to th market not the CEO (4, Insightful)

Type44Q (1233630) | about a year and a half ago | (#41807123)

You give the average user far too much credit; there's a big difference between knowing what you want (and knowing why)... and thinking that you know what you want (when you really haven't a fucking clue).

If it's Ballmer recommending.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806491)

I'd reckon Surface is better to throw across the office.

It would definitely look impressive if you get so angry that you throw your tablet and it smashes into tiny pieces against the wall.

Loser (2, Insightful)

pubwvj (1045960) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806501)

The iPad isn't perfect, yet, but the Surface is so far down from perfect that it is not even a contender. Ballmer is dreaming. Or spinning PR.

Force Fail? (4, Funny)

hutsell (1228828) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806509)

Sounds as if he was trying to the use the Force, as in: Stormtrooper, "These aren't the Droids you're looking for."

Re:Force Fail? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806977)

Except that instead of waving a hand, he simply threw a chair.

I think he supports legalizing weed too... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806517)

This would explain a lot.

Thought I was holding it wrong (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806523)

But turns out I was just holding the wrong one.

Which company doesn't grok the postmodern consumer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806567)

A) Apple
B) Google
C) Facebook
D) Microsoft

Re:Which company doesn't grok the postmodern consu (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806911)

What is a postmodern consumer, exactly?
And when was the modern consumer's heyday?
What will come after the postmodern comsumer? Neoclassical? Baroque? Romantic?

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer: Forget the Surface... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806597)

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer: Forget the Surface, iPad Is the Tablet People Want

That would have been worth a story. What Ballmer actually said: not.

fail often, fail quick?! (1)

Thud457 (234763) | about a year and a half ago | (#41807065)

Hey, there's still time for them to pull a HP and say "you can't haev it"!
Like they did with the Kin.

100m tablet already sold. Where does MS fit in? (4, Insightful)

Viewsonic (584922) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806607)

It's not like people with tablets will be racing to go buy ANOTHER tablet.

Just seems to me Microsoft jumped into the market two years too late. This isn't a knock on Surface or anything, just an observation.

All hail the great Steve (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806645)

All hail the great Steve, he invented the iPhone, the iPad, Time and ...... heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey, WAITAMINUTE!!

Well duh (-1, Flamebait)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806653)

People buy apple because it's in vogue to own apple products. Tablets don't have much use period. Smartphones are useful, laptops are useful. The tablet with a dock laptop concept is kind of interesting to me, but mostly only because it finally brings laptops with touch screens.

I don't see it ever being in vogue to own a Microsoft product - they're too hated for their business practices.

Re:Well duh (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806979)

Tablets are pretty awesome actually have you owned one? I used to think like you until I bought one. Are they absolutely required like a smart phone (my opinion) or computer? No. But nothing beats a tablet for vegging out watching TV & surfing the internet.

Re:Well duh (1)

dontbemad (2683011) | about a year and a half ago | (#41807043)

they're too hated for their business practices.

I'm sorry, I must have gotten confused. Were you talking about Microsoft or Apple?

Re:Well duh (1)

arctus (2753027) | about a year and a half ago | (#41807145)

I agree, I don't fully understand why Microsoft tries to appeal to end users. The decision to jump in to the tablet market this late in the game fighting a market inflated with Apple and Android tablets just seems desperate. Also, HP is jumping back in to the game with Envy after making us think they were done with end user devices.

Tablets do have a limited use case, but from the perspective of these four companies they are all that matters right now.

Re:Well duh (1)

Grayhand (2610049) | about a year and a half ago | (#41807201)

People buy apple because it's in vogue to own apple products. Tablets don't have much use period. Smartphones are useful, laptops are useful. The tablet with a dock laptop concept is kind of interesting to me, but mostly only because it finally brings laptops with touch screens. I don't see it ever being in vogue to own a Microsoft product - they're too hated for their business practices.

Over simplification. I own mostly Apple products due to ease of use. I mostly use my handhelds as media players which Apple excels at. It's also painless to check mail and surf the web and it's a good platform for gaming. Sure if you are willing to put up with some hassles you can do most of this with Android devices and probably Surface. It's the "some hassles" that talk me out of the other products. Back when I owned half and half Windows and Mac computers I always went to the Macs to watch movies and video clips let alone music. I constantly found the Windows machines couldn't handle the type of clip I was trying to play. I still have Windows machines but they drive me nuts because they are always trying to download updates in the background. Mac gives you the option. I finally got sick of it and use mostly Macs. I have Parallels on my main Mac because my web site software is Windows only. I can drag files directly into the Parallel window then everything else I do Mac. I just had my Windows Vista notebook freeze up due to an OS crash. I tried everything and it says it isn't fixable. I rarely use it so there was maybe a month or so of time on the machine and now it's dead because of the OS. Windows needs to do a ground up like Mac did with OSX. I never used to like Mac but now I'm sold. I'd love to use Linux but I found everything was a hassle with Linux. I want to spend my time with software and apps not fighting OSs.

This Is "News"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806655)

What did you expect him to say?

Remains to be seen ... (2)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806711)

This is just corporate bluster until such time as Microsoft can trot out sales figures proving that people are actually buying these.

As a general rule, when the CEO of a company says "our product is teh best and our competitors are teh sux0rs" ... well, they're mostly talking out of their asses for their own purposes.

And, in the case of Steve Ballmer, he's got a long history of speaking drivel that he wants other people to believe, and being out of touch with what people actually want.

And that's the problem with Microsoft marketing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806719)

Telling the people what they want. How about produce a great product, and then when the people pick your product over the other one, being able to actually point and say that we have what people really want.

Just like all those Windows tablets before iPad (1)

KugelKurt (908765) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806833)

Microsoft is in the tablet market since many years. If I'm not mistaken since shortly after the launch of Windows XP with these UMPC things. Nobody ever wanted tablets with Windows.

Re:Just like all those Windows tablets before iPad (1)

Tapewolf (1639955) | about a year and a half ago | (#41807199)

Microsoft is in the tablet market since many years. If I'm not mistaken since shortly after the launch of Windows XP with these UMPC things. Nobody ever wanted tablets with Windows.

It goes back further than that. I remember the Casio PA2400, which ran CE 2.0 or somesuch. It was released in 1999.

Well Bill, (4, Insightful)

AdmV0rl0n (98366) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806871)

I hate to point it out to you, but you've not really made a PC that can be my tablet and or PC too either. You keep fucking failing. I know, I've spent hours and hours testing windows 8, just like I tested XP on a Q1 and 7 on the same Q1 before it.

The ARM move you made probably does have a place - but its got ZERO to do with running my 'PC' as a tablet. In fact I can't do any of that. The PC part doesn't even exist. As for your X86 tablet - oh sure, I can have my PC - but minus the start button. And minus anything to do with tablet - unless I accept Metro/Notro as my new PC life. Only 99% of everything PC I used or use is desktop based. I have no idea who you think you are talking to - Its not me.

And the real world information is rolling through the isles. The real benchmarks are closing in. Worse performance in use, worse gaming, worse multitasking, worse application compat, and continuing doese of screw me.

To be frank, by forcing this broken Notro paradigm down my through - I've never ever going to be less than hostile to your dumb sales pitch. Your new OS is a cut down 7 with some nice engineering changes in the normal method of win development - and to get them I am forced to use WinRT and this garbage UI (I won't - I'll re-engineer machinery not to - end of.) - and thats all she wrote according to you. It deserves to fail, and it deserves to supply the big pink slip to the people inside MS who ignored all the feedback from the userbase that said no.

Ballmer doesn't understand the point of tablets (5, Insightful)

JDG1980 (2438906) | about a year and a half ago | (#41806961)

By this interview, Ballmer proves what I had suspected: that Microsoft doesn't understand why tablets are popular, and what tablets are for. And this failure to understand is why they are ruining Windows, by trying to make it a "universal" OS.

Tablets are not a substitute for a laptop or desktop PC, nor do most people want them to be. They are a more convenient and portable way of surfing the Web, listening to music, watching videos on YouTube or Netflix, playing simple games, doing Facebook, reading e-books, and so forth. They are, in short, content consumption devices. They aren't good at producing stuff, and aren't supposed to be. A tablet is not a "junior laptop" and when Microsoft tried to treat it as such with their previous attempts, they failed miserably. But nor is a desktop or laptop a scaled-up tablet; if it was, no one could ever get any work done.

Ballmer doesn't seem to understand that for the average home user, firing up MS Office is a rare use case, and one that is easily enough satisfied by a 6-year-old system running Windows XP that the buyer sees no reason to upgrade. As for businesses, they like things the way they are; many of them would still be running Windows 2000 if they were able to. Microsoft doesn't see that the fact that they would benefit by people spending more money is irrelevant; what matters is if the buyers see the benefit in spending more money. And when it does come time to spend, they have to demonstrate why their product is better than the competitor's. It's not enough any more just for them to show up.

sounds spammy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41806989)

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer: "Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! DEVELOPERS!! DEVELOPERS!! DEVELOPERS!! DEVELOPERS!! DEVELOPERS!! DEVELOPERS!!"

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer: "DRM is the future!"

Don't we have more important things to think about?

Give your iPad to me ... Give your iPad to me ... (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about a year and a half ago | (#41807015)

  1. You are feeling sleepy . . . sleepy . . .
  2. "that's not the tablet people really want" . . . give your iPad to me . . .
  3. "none of them has a product that you can really use" . . . give your iPad to me . . .
  4. "Not Apple. Not Google. Not Amazon." . . . give your iPad to me . . .
  5. "Nobody has a product that lets you work and play that can be your tablet and your PC." . . . give your iPad to me . . .

Thank you, Mr. Ballmer, maybe I will get a free iPad out of this . . .

Why on earth is this news? (1)

theRunicBard (2662581) | about a year and a half ago | (#41807075)

Microsoft's CEO thinks that a Microsoft tablet is the way to go. Put it on page 1. In other shocking news, Larry Page recommends Google over Bing and Tim Cook uses a mac!

Whaaaa? (1)

Thyamine (531612) | about a year and a half ago | (#41807087)

I understand that a CEO should be pushing his own products, but really? This is his reasoning? And it's not even reasoning, but sad marketing pulp that I don't think anyone actually believes (including the Microsoft people). People love their iPads, and people love their Android tablets. Sure, there are people who aren't happy and maybe flip, but I somehow doubt Microsoft is going to be the innovator in this part of the market.

I would have actually agreed if he said something like: most people are familiar with Windows and probably use it at work/home, so now we've tried to put together a tablet that uses an OS they are familiar with! *
br /. * Except that it's running Windows 8 which no one is familiar with.

N = 1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41807115)

I know I'm just one person, but I have to admit that I'm glad that Microsoft seems to be providing the handwriting support I've been wanting for years.

LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41807121)

And the zune was awesome too right.

dipshit monkey ballmer. stick to being a sideshow freak and stop pretending you know jack or shit about what people want from microsoft.

its embarassing how often and completely you guys fuckup with your 'metoo!' shit.

I despise apple. But i'd rather use apple anything than get stuck with more shit microsoft hardware. or maybe one of them will be the GOOD version. and they'll stop making it real fucking quick. sidewinder like.

no.... i think i'll forget the ipad AND surface. i hear samsung has a nice tablet. rounded corners and everything.

Best thing about Surface. (5, Funny)

Kaenneth (82978) | about a year and a half ago | (#41807139)

I got a Surface RT on launch day, and was sitting at the bus stop playing with it, and some guy ran past and grabbed it.

I was about to give chase, but as he was running he looked at it, stopped, turned around, and gave it back saying "Sorry man, I'm so sorry for you man."

It's basically theft-proof.

Nook HD+ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41807165)

Actually Mr. Ballmer, the tablet I want is the Nook HD+ [barnesandnoble.com] .

In 3 days, it will be the cheapest and lightest 9" on the market.
It runs Android, so my other devices play nicely with it. (And I can put the Kindle app on it)
It is a Nook, so I can take it into Barnes and Noble brick and mortar stores and read any eBook I want for free while I'm in the store.

Surface? Do. Not. Want.

Ballmer promotes unemployment (1)

Un pobre guey (593801) | about a year and a half ago | (#41807169)

Steve Ballmer is the kind of guy that makes comedians lose their jobs. After he talks, there's basically no room to mock him, nothing funny or idiotic left to say, no better snarky riposte than what he just said. The comedic absurdity is built in. He mocks himself. He does it all, from soup to nuts. He's just that kind of guy.

Why he's still there, though, is baffling.

windows phone 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41807171)

8th try is the charm, amirite?

Sorry, Ballmer (1)

Dracos (107777) | about a year and a half ago | (#41807187)

Microsoft has spent 10 years trying to crack open the tablet market, and always failed. Now that Apple has done it, suddenly Microsoft's response is the real holy grail?

The tablet market is fueled by hype and will die out in a couple years once the consumer realizes how limited they are. Just like netbooks

Microsoft has tied win8 to this sinking ship with every rope and chain they can find.

surface is brilliant (4, Funny)

Cyko_01 (1092499) | about a year and a half ago | (#41807195)

Are you kidding me?! Surface is revolutionary! Its like a laptop, but the screen is where the keyboard goes and vice verse, and you use it the other way around! Then instead of a touchpad you just smear your fingers all over the screen and, if you are lucky, it doesn't tip over - Brilliant! Its like an ipad but without all the apps and fanboism, no wait... Its like a tablet for people that don't like tablets, wait...nobody likes tablets.
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