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NewsCorp/NDS Sets Up Operation To Expose Canadian Pirates; What Could Go Wrong?

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the boarding-eh dept.

Canada 95

Presto Vivace writes "Murdoch's Pirates is a business book that reads like a thriller. The chapter excerpted in the Sydney Morning Herald explains how Operation Duck, an effort to discover the identify Canadian pay TV pirates, went horribly wrong. 'By October 25 Oliver had been in Toronto four days and had programmed a swag of pirate cards, using a program he had ripped off another pirate hack. And he had been paid a lot of money. That evening, he met with two piracy dealers in a car and programmed a few cards for them with his portable programmer box, to demonstrate that it worked. The following night Oliver received a call from a friend in London, a partner in his old piracy ring, who was sleeping with a woman who worked for Federal Express. 'He told me, these guys [from the previous night] sent a parcel to Larry Rissler,' Oliver recalls. Rissler was a former FBI agent who headed the Office of Signal Integrity—the operational security division—of DirecTV, and he had been hunting Oliver for some time. One of the dealers Oliver had met was a Rissler informant and he had despatched a re-programmed smartcard by FedEx to his boss. The parcel would be with Rissler early the next morning—if it wasn't already there.' The story reads like some perverse blend of James Bond and the Pink Panther. It is just amazing."

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Reading TFS (5, Interesting)

oodaloop (1229816) | about 2 years ago | (#41817663)

The story reads like some perverse blend of James Bond and the Pink Panther.

Well, TFS reads like a chinese instruction manual. What the hell? Piracy dealers? Discover the identify?

Re:Reading TFS (-1, Offtopic)

oodaloop (1229816) | about 2 years ago | (#41817685)

Also, frosty piss apparently. It's OK, you can mod me down. I've got karma to burn.

Re:Reading TFS (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41818073)

Don't mod the parent down! Now on to my real point...

NewsCorp/NDS Sets Up Operation To Expose Canadian Pirates; What Could Go Wrong?

Interesting headline there, timmyboy. Another misleading title for a slashvertisement. Once I read the article, I discovered that this is an account of events from FIFTEEN YEARS AGO. 1997, dude. That was the era of the F cards and H cards. The era before the emulators and even before the unloopers. SERIOUSLY? How does this count as news? You have NO date in the summary, and you are deliberately misleading the reader to think that this is something recent.

It's nothing really engaging. It's just a historical account which might be a little entertaining to those of us who used to program DirecTV cards for the fun of it and resell receivers with Hu cards (unprogrammed) for hundreds of dollars on ebay.

Re:Reading TFS (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about 2 years ago | (#41818689)

How about some tales of Black Sunday? That would be some good reading. The whole article is a slashvertisement anyway, I was expecting an Amazon link to the book that's being promoted.

Re:Reading TFS (1)

axl917 (1542205) | about 2 years ago | (#41819581)

Once I read the article, I discovered that this is an account of events from FIFTEEN YEARS AGO. 1997, dude.

The book itself is coming out now, is the point of the article.

Re:Reading TFS (1)

Mike Buddha (10734) | about 2 years ago | (#41820143)

Oh, then why doesn't the article title say that its a book that's coming out? Instead, the article is framed like its a current event.

I concur, slap the shit out of Timothy for posting an article about a book release and trying to make it look like a current event.

Re:Reading TFS (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | about 2 years ago | (#41827289)

How does this count as news?

The technology is not the story, it may have happened 15yrs ago but the fact is that Murdoch bought an Italian media outlet to prevent it bringing them to court and accusing News corp of wreaking their bussiness model with a well organised and well financed campaign to spread hacked cards on the internet. I find it odd that you don't think it's news to see the first detailed account of how Murdoch (the granddady of piracy alarmists) was using piracy as a coporate weapon against competing payTV vendors, OTOH, this is news for nerds and nerds are notoriously slow at picking up the human side of a story.

It's just a historical account which might be a little entertaining to those of us who used to program DirecTV cards for the fun of it and resell receivers with Hu cards (unprogrammed) for hundreds of dollars on ebay.

Congratulation, you were once one of Murdoch's useful idiots, yet you still don't get it, perhaps you should read the book in the "slashvertisment".

Re:Reading TFS (1, Funny)

mcmonkey (96054) | about 2 years ago | (#41817715)

The story reads like some perverse blend of James Bond and the Pink Panther.

Well, TFS reads like a chinese instruction manual. What the hell? Piracy dealers? Discover the identify?

Apparently my mod points didn't survive Sandy, so QFT.

Re:Reading TFS (2)

crazyjj (2598719) | about 2 years ago | (#41817817)

Reading the summary, I'm reminded of numerous scenes in "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" where someone tries to read Charlie's dyslexic writings.

Re:Reading TFS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41817909)

The song lyrics in pictographs were hilarious!

Re:Reading TFS (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41817917)

loose translation:

Dude X was selling counterfit decoder rings.

Mr Man McManniman wasn't happy about this and so orchastrated a cunning plan to catch him, Operation: DUCK

Operation: DUCK was foiled by Dude X's super sexy cohort, Hennry "The Horn" Hornison, when he managed to seduce a Delivery one, Miss Baggage.

Miss Baggage had information that Phil Squealer, who Dude X had recently met and shown his ring making device to, had sent a ring to Mr McManniman...

Can Dude X get to the package before it's opened?

Will The Horn manage to handle anymore baggage?

Why exactly is Mr Man McManniman so manly?

Find out in next weeks thrilling installment of "Meglomaniacs Eye Patch!!!"

Re:Reading TFS (2)

mcmonkey (96054) | about 2 years ago | (#41818591)

loose translation:

Dude X was selling counterfit decoder rings.

Mr Man McManniman wasn't happy about this and so orchastrated a cunning plan to catch him, Operation: DUCK

Operation: DUCK was foiled by Dude X's super sexy cohort, Hennry "The Horn" Hornison, when he managed to seduce a Delivery one, Miss Baggage.

Miss Baggage had information that Phil Squealer, who Dude X had recently met and shown his ring making device to, had sent a ring to Mr McManniman...

Can Dude X get to the package before it's opened?

Will The Horn manage to handle anymore baggage?

Why exactly is Mr Man McManniman so manly?

Find out in next weeks thrilling installment of "Meglomaniacs Eye Patch!!!"

Punchline: Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.

Re:Reading TFS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41818489)

What the hell? Piracy dealers? Discover the identify?

So it has come to this.

Re:Reading TFS (1)

CdBee (742846) | about 2 years ago | (#41822691)

Agreed, worst-written article I've seen in a long time. More to the point the link is to an excerpt that required a lot of prior knowledge of the case - where I find myself coming up short.

It's the Australian connection. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41825097)

Had the excerpted chapter been carried by a non-Aussie paper, this submission would not have been accepted for Slashdot.

The so-called editors of Slashdot seem to devote a lot of effort to finding something with an Aussie connection -- anything with an Aussie connection -- to post on this site.

Re:It's the Australian connection. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41827205)

Had the excerpted chapter been carried by a non-Aussie paper, this submission would not have been accepted for Slashdot.

The so-called editors of Slashdot seem to devote a lot of effort to finding something with an Aussie connection -- anything with an Aussie connection -- to post on this site.

Hahahaha! Score -1! You must of known the Australians wouldn't let you get away with it!

Just Amazing? (4, Insightful)

Antipater (2053064) | about 2 years ago | (#41817667)

I don't read many thrillers - does this really qualify as the kind of writing that is "amazing"? It looks to me like a contest entry to write the word "piracy" as many times as possible in a single paragraph.

Re:Just Amazing? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41817931)

He's just trying to pirate the smurfs with his piracy of the word piracy in the piracy. What's piracy with that?

Re:Just Amazing? (1)

Chickan (1070300) | about 2 years ago | (#41820297)

He must be trying to win a Rory, you know, for the most gratuitous use of the word "Belgium", err "Piracy", in a series screen play.

News Corp and Pirates?! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41817699)

So, this is a work of fiction then?

Or are they saying things like, "The Liberal pirates who like to steal from the job creators...."

How many of these pirates had their phones tapped?

Re:News Corp and Pirates?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41819775)

Damn Liberal Pirates. Even their eye patches are on the left eye. Their RED eye patches, I might add.

Yu-Gi-Oh: Pirate Edition (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41817727)

had programmed a swag of pirate cards

Are we talking about children's card games here?

Re:Yu-Gi-Oh: Pirate Edition (5, Funny)

The Rizz (1319) | about 2 years ago | (#41817827)

I be summonin' ye Dark Magician Wench in face down position. Yarrr!

And the summary.. (3, Funny)

gallondr00nk (868673) | about 2 years ago | (#41817737)

Is a synopsis of a story that reads like a cocaine monologue.

Re:And the summary.. (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | about 2 years ago | (#41817845)

Apparently it was written by a group of SNL writers in 1981.

What went wrong? (4, Informative)

hawguy (1600213) | about 2 years ago | (#41817749)

I read the summary twice, and skimmed the (long) article it links to, but couldn't figure out what went so horribly wrong. Did 007 capture the SPECTRE bad guys?

Re:What went wrong? (2)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | about 2 years ago | (#41818483)

I don't know what the happened there either, but I think this from TFA says all we need to know:

Toronto is a mean town when you're looking for a bolthole. The operation was blown, and the agent was running. No ordered retreat here—this was panicked flight, strung out on adrenaline. Far beyond the threshold of fear and desperation, it is when the quarry knows his pursuers are close and all he wants in life is a place to go to ground.
-Fairfax reporter Neil Chenoweth.

This kind of gawful prose can only happen when you force a writer who didn't make the cut into a job reviewing books.

Re:What went wrong? (1)

camperdave (969942) | about 2 years ago | (#41819649)

Toronto is a mean town when you're looking for a bolthole.

I usually look for a bolthole in the center of a nut.

Re:What went wrong? (1)

CdBee (742846) | about 2 years ago | (#41822759)

For there ain't no Bolthole in all the world
Like that dear little Bolthole of mine.

Re:What went wrong? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41820243)

You have obviously not read any of the "Fifty Shades" books. Takes terrible writing to new highs (or lows)...

Re:What went wrong? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41818575)

Don't you understand, News Corp *LOST* a small amount of money! That's Horrible! Think of the stockholders!

To Rupert Murdoch: Pay Your Taxes ProperlyFirst!!! (5, Insightful)

dryriver (1010635) | about 2 years ago | (#41817761)

Murdoch's NewsCorp makes Billions of Dollars in Profit/Revenues a year, and is one of the largest media companies in the world. Yet NewsCorp only pays about 4% in Taxes on all this income, thanks to an intricate network of hundreds of shell-companies in tax havens like Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. Article to back this up: http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/276-74/6796-focus-pay-your-taxes-murdoch [readersupportednews.org] ---- So, Rupert Murdoch, perhaps you should pay your taxes properly before you go after anyone for "Piracy"? You owe multiple governments and territories hundreds of millions of Dollars in back taxes. --- Perhaps you should clean up your "Tax Piracy", before you go after hapless individuals for "Content Piracy"? --- Better yet, run your "archconservative" NewsCorp dinosaur biz into the ground for good, so more ethical, talented, objective news and content producers can fill the gap you leave in the market.

Re:To Rupert Murdoch: Pay Your Taxes ProperlyFirst (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41817993)

Murdoch's NewsCorp makes Billions of Dollars in Profit/Revenues a year, and is one of the largest media companies in the world. Yet NewsCorp only pays about 4% in Taxes on all this income, thanks to an intricate network of hundreds of shell-companies in tax havens like Bermuda and the Cayman Islands.

So you're saying they are 100% in compliance with the law and are paying all their taxes?

I'm more concerned with the Obama aides in the White House [investors.com] who owe back taxes. They all have security clearances, and an adversary could use that as leverage to extract intelligence or other favors.

Re:To Rupert Murdoch: Pay Your Taxes ProperlyFirst (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41818533)

How would an adversary get leverage from information which is already public?

Candidates for bribes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41819057)

If it's public knowledge that someone has large amounts of debt, wouldn't they be rather grateful to someone who was willing to make it go away?

Re:To Rupert Murdoch: Pay Your Taxes ProperlyFirst (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | about 2 years ago | (#41820257)

I'm more concerned with the Obama aides in the White House [investors.com] who owe back taxes. They all have security clearances, and an adversary could use that as leverage to extract intelligence or other favors.

You can't be blackmailed with public knowledge. "We'll tell your friends about you back taxes if you don't give us this document!"

"Uh... that's on my website. What next, you're going to threaten to spill the beans on my porn collection?"

Re:To Rupert Murdoch: Pay Your Taxes ProperlyFirst (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41820837)

So you're more concerned with a few bucks a few people may or may not owe, as opposed to billions News Corp owes?

Seriously, your talking about a rounding error compared with News Corp.

You reek of being a Romney shill.

Way more concerned (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41821151)

So you're more concerned with a few bucks a few people may or may not owe

Who are in the government and therefore have control over your life to some extent.

as opposed to billions News Corp owes?

Your original article points out they pay what they owe, and furthermore because News Corp has no control over me why would I care what they do?

Your priorities are FUCKED UP man.

Re:To Rupert Murdoch: Pay Your Taxes ProperlyFirst (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41820919)

Your link looks like it could be a shell business news group set up by Bain Capital and RUPERT MURDOCK!

KEEP BASHING OBAMA it really helps thing right now

I know this off topic but isn't time for the richest major corporations to do some good old fashion soul searching. If not then perhaps the ghost of Steve Jobs will show up in chains at Cupertino on Christmas eve begging the board members and share holders to get off their buts and do something constructive about hurricane Sandy and what it means to the economy of North America and thereby the Democratic WORLD AS WE KNOW IT!

At the same time Donald Trump and other gazillionairs will have a mysterious catharsis and realise that it was his employees and customers that made him rich in the first place!

It will take enormous resources to get the east coast of North America back on its feet and 2008 might just look like a blip on the stock ticker by comparison to what this hurricane has done. Charity begins at home people and this statement has never been as appropriate as it is today.

For the rich to just sit back this time and comfortably blame government for not responding adequately like they did with the disaster in Louisiana would be tantamount to economic treason!

Re:To Rupert Murdoch: Pay Your Taxes ProperlyFirst (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41818235)

"so more ethical, talented, objective news and content producers can fill the gap you leave in the market" - Are these a thing? I don't think these are a thing.

Re:To Rupert Murdoch: Pay Your Taxes ProperlyFirst (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about 2 years ago | (#41819789)

Profit and revenues are NOT the same thing. The article you linked to seemed to indicate that all of the tax avoidance (even thought they called it tax dodging) was perfectly legal. If that is the case, then your problem is not with NewsCorp, but with the politicians who wrote the tax loopholes that they take advantage of.

LMAO (-1, Offtopic)

Pope (17780) | about 2 years ago | (#41817839)

LMAO at people who pirate television. Bloo bloo bloo, if it costs too much you don't really need it, do you?

Re:LMAO (5, Insightful)

Cid Highwind (9258) | about 2 years ago | (#41817979)

LMAO at people who pirate television.

Agreed.

But then also LMAO at people who think they can bathe half the globe in a radio signal and then decide who is allowed to decode it.

Re:LMAO (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41818045)

Precisely. If someone shoots photons at me, well, I can do what I want with them.

Re:LMAO (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41818445)

The deal in Canada is there is no legal way to watch DirecTV.

We had bootleg satellite recievers all through the 90s. We had no access to cable, only 2 OTA channels, so we gladly got the DirecTV dishes.

We would happily pay DirecTV for the service, but there is simply no way to do so. CRTC won't allow it

Of course, my story, and the TFA are 15 years old. It's all over and done with now.

Re:LMAO (1)

BitterOak (537666) | about 2 years ago | (#41820145)

We would happily pay DirecTV for the service, but there is simply no way to do so. CRTC won't allow it

And how exactly does the CRTC prevent it? Do they rifle through everyone's outgoing mail to see if anyone is sending a check to DirecTV to pay their bill?

Re:LMAO (1)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | about 2 years ago | (#41835317)

Umm, they do what any regulation-enforcing government body does and simply denies the company the right to do business in the country. Pretty simple actually....

Re:LMAO (1)

cdrguru (88047) | about 2 years ago | (#41821565)

We in the US would not have DirecTV had Al Gore not gotten the abomination called the Satellite Home Viewer Act passed. This makes it a Federal crime to illicitly decode DirecTV's signal.

In Canada there is no revenue model for DirecTV since anyone can decode the signal for free. Give it a month and there would be Chinese receivers flooding the market. Might be nice for some Chinese manufacturers, but DirecTV wouldn't get a dime. And HBO would cut them off.

Re:LMAO (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41829911)

I don't understand your logic here at all.

Does the signal not reach into Canada already?

My father lives on the US side of Lake Ontario, and he gets great DirecTV signal quality there. Does DirecTV use some sort of active beam shaping to attenuate their signal just 50 miles northward?

Something like 90% of Canada's population lives within 100 miles of the US border. Seems like most of them would have line of site to the satellites. Why don't Chinese receivers already flood the market?

Re:LMAO (1)

alexo (9335) | about 2 years ago | (#41818657)

LMAO at people who pirate television.

Agreed.

But then also LMAO at people who think they can bathe half the globe in a radio signal and then decide who is allowed to decode it.

Seems to me that the people that are wealthy/powerful/influential enough to actually decide what you are allowed to do with the signal, should be the ones laughing their asses off at you.

Re:LMAO (3, Informative)

cdrguru (88047) | about 2 years ago | (#41821169)

That this exists at all is a result of Mr. Al Gore who sponsored and shepherded through the Satellite Home Viewer Act. What this did was made it a Federal offence to decrypt an encrypted signal that was broadcast. Until this was law it was perfectly legal to receive and decode any signal that happened to come into your home.

This was done, ostensibly, to stop people with a C-band dish from receiving HBO for free. The real effect of it was to create DirecTV and Dish Network - before this law was passed these services could not have existed because anyone could simply receive their signal and decode it. With the power of the Federal Government behind them, however, it became a viable business model.

Just something else we have to thank Al Gore for, in addition to the Internet.

Re:LMAO (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41829787)

I, personally, think this law is a Good Thing.

I have DirecTV and happen to like it. My only other options are Dish or Comcast. 3 quasi-choices are better than no choices. When DirecTV and Viacom had their little spat earlier this year, at least I got free Showtime and $10 off my bill for 6 months. Think I would have a gotten that if Comcast was the only game in town?

One could argue that there are other more effective ways to prevent cable monopolies, but good luck getting our politicians to implement them..

And, there is virtually no downside here. The argument "but now I'm not free to decrypt a signal that wouldn't be there otherwise" just doesn't hold sway with me. As a hobbyist, you're still basically free to do whatever you want, just don't brag too loudly on the internet about it.

Re:LMAO (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41818079)

You've obviously never been poor in your life.

The people for whom TV costs too much are exactly the people who need it.

Re:LMAO (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | about 2 years ago | (#41818531)

You've obviously never been poor in your life.

The people for whom TV costs too much are exactly the people who need it.

Are you seriously suggesting that any people, anywhere actually need pay-per-view television content?

Re:LMAO (4, Funny)

camperdave (969942) | about 2 years ago | (#41819801)

Are you seriously suggesting that any people, anywhere actually need pay-per-view television content?

Well, the alternative is that they start breeding.

Re:LMAO (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | about 2 years ago | (#41820329)

Hah! Well-played, sir!

Re:LMAO (1)

TheCycoONE (913189) | about 2 years ago | (#41819903)

No no, lets hear him out.

See ... um ... poor people are addicted to TV and can't just go cold turkey on it. Pay-per-view television doesn't have advertisements (I've never actually seen pay-per-view , so that's an assumption), and advertising convinces people to spend money. So poor people need pay-per-view television content to satisfy their addiction and not get the overwhelming need to spend money on magic bullets.

Re:LMAO (1)

Dishevel (1105119) | about 2 years ago | (#41819005)

If TV costs too much you are exactly the kind of person that could benefit greatly from not having it.

They would know.... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41817897)

After all, NewsCorp seems to have funded the design, manufacture, and distribution of hacked cards to bring down British DTV competition. (And were successful. Poor ITV) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17494723

Not to mention illegally listening to voicemail...

Maybe they should cut their piracy out first.

It's a script from a cop drama, idiots. (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about 2 years ago | (#41817907)

So the chick is a mole scanning millioms of incming packages a day?

Crook: I just reorpgeammed cards for x and y.

Guy on other end of phone in bed in London: Cool! Hey honey, he just reprogrammed cards for x and y.

Crook: Telling your gf? Cool.

GF: Those names sound familiar. While 10,000 packages whipped by on my shift tonight, I glimpsed their name on one. It was going to...hmmm...to person z.

A little convenent.

Re:It's a script from a cop drama, idiots. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41818011)

Did you encode that entire post in ROT-13? Because that's what it looks like.

Re:It's a script from a cop drama, idiots. (1)

BenoitRen (998927) | about 2 years ago | (#41818061)

Who the hell still uses ROT-13? ROT-26 all the way, baby.

Re:It's a script from a cop drama, idiots. (2)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 2 years ago | (#41818219)

Or maybe she had access to their shipping database and did routine checks for her boyfriend.

Still... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41818017)

...a better love story than Twilight.

Re:Still... (1)

thomasw_lrd (1203850) | about 2 years ago | (#41818555)

Every love story is better than twilight. Even Titanic was better.

Re:Still... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41819327)

Apocalypse Now was a better love story than Twilight..

Re:Still... (1)

tnk1 (899206) | about 2 years ago | (#41820853)

Apocalypse Now: A Boy and his Napalm, A Love Story that Never Dies

Canadian pirates? That's a paddling! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41818067)

Canadian pirates? What, they attack people with canoes?

Re:Canadian pirates? That's a paddling! (1)

CCarrot (1562079) | about 2 years ago | (#41818815)

Canadian pirates? What, they attack people with canoes?

Have you never heard of the Last Saskatchewan Pirate [letssingit.com] ?!?

"And it's a heave-ho, hi-ho, comin' down the plains
Stealin' wheat and barley and all the other grains
It's a ho-hey, hi-hey farmers bar yer doors
When ya see the Jolly Roger on Regina's mighty shores!"

Arrr, matey!

Re:Canadian pirates? That's a paddling! (1)

Abstrackt (609015) | about 2 years ago | (#41818971)

Captain Tractor, a band who gets their namesake from that song, does an excellent cover of it as well.

Re:Canadian pirates? That's a paddling! (1)

CCarrot (1562079) | about 2 years ago | (#41819877)

Captain Tractor, a band who gets their namesake from that song, does an excellent cover of it as well.

That's true, although I like the original Arrogant Worms' version better. IMHO, they have a lot of good songs, check out their other (kinda) famous hit: Carrot Juice is Murder [letssingit.com]

For the Canucks in the crowd, check out Canada's Really Big [letssingit.com] and We Are the Beaver [letssingit.com] :o)

Re:Canadian pirates? That's a paddling! (1)

camperdave (969942) | about 2 years ago | (#41821271)

Captain Tractor, a band who gets their namesake from that song, does an excellent cover of it as well.

Have a Listen [youtube.com]

Just so you know (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41818311)

an american and a fbi agent have no jurisdiction so , in doing what they did , as they also have no private eye license this means they broke about 10 laws and a few civil rights sections of the charter of rights and freedoms and criminal code of canada.

im not stopping pirating neither is 18 million others and when you begin yur lawsuits its the end of the federal govt here ..in fact to really give it too you , im going to do free animated tv and free animated movies and give out free games i make

I'll then teach many others so that in short order we begin open and free world , OH and ya a lil donate button will be there....
have a nice day lawyer scumsucker and unwanted bacon biter fbi man.

Re:Just so you know (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | about 2 years ago | (#41821089)

Dear lord, did the awful writing in the summary affect posters in here as well? That's my only explanation for almost half of these topics...

Some missing context (2)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 2 years ago | (#41818347)

AIUI, the unidentified (in the summary) Oliver was an ex-hacker working for NDS - the summary, such as it is, would lead to believe he was still an active hacker being pursued by this Rissler guy. Rissler didn't know he was NDS, and no-one at NDS seemed to want to tell him, hence the shenanigans.

It's a lie, Murdoch was caught red handed (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41818475)

Murdoch's NewsCorp was caught pirating DirectTV's cards. Claiming it was done by their NDS subsidiary, and was really to benefit Direct TV, misses the fact that NewsCorp and DirectTV were rivals in cable TV.

Murdoch did it to damage Direct TVs business, it was behind the pirating to make selling Direct TV cards not worthwhile to sell.

Proving you can program a card, doesn't get you an in with other people who can program cards. It makes you a competitor, a rival, someone who might like to rat them out at the first meeting. So this version of events doesn't make sense.

1. The basic premis that Oliver was programming cards to get an in with other card programmers. Doesn't make sense.
2. The girlfriend who has access to Fedex computers and tracks all packages and happens to known enough to make a connection. That doesn't make sense.
3. The argument that Oliver ran from Direct TV because DirectTV wasn't 'trustworthy'... garbage. If he really had been investigating pirates, he'd hand over his info to DirectTV and they be fully behind him, and they're certainly not connected to the pirates of their own cards.
4. The claims that NDS only knew him as 'Alex', why would they need to keep deniability if he was legit? Again bollocks.

So what we have here is a work of fiction, to try to make News Corp look like good guys, at a time when they've been caught hacking phones.

What they did was simple, their subsidiary had a contract to make cards and had been bought out by Murdoch, they then pirated DirectTVs cards to try to drive out their competitors. They hid the links between their card subsidiary and their pirate. He got caught.

Murdoch NDS hacked OnDigital/Canal+ (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41818639)

In 2002, Canal Plus accused NDS of extracting the UserROM code from the MediaGuard cards and leaking it onto the internet.[15] According to The Guardian, the NDS laboratory in Haifa, Israel had been working on breaking the SECA-produced MediaGuard smartcards used by Canal+, ITV Digital and other non-Murdoch-owned TV companies throughout Europe. Canal Plus brought a $3 billion lawsuit against NDS but later dropped the action. News Corporation agreed to buy Canal Plus's struggling Italian operation Telepiu.[16][17]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NDS_Group

"On 26 March 2012, the BBC programme Panorama broadcast that NDS employed computer hacking to undermine the business of ONDigital.[19] At the time, ONDigital was the primary TV rival in Britain of BSkyB, a News Corporation company. The accusations arise from emails obtained by the BBC, and an interview with Lee Gibling, the operator of a hacking website, who claims he was paid up to £60,000 per year by Ray Adams, NDS head of security.[20] UK broadcasting watchdog Ofcom is to investigate these claims.[21] These claims are vigorously denied by NDS and NewsCorp.[22]"

What about movies? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41818773)

I see many of the movie torrents are seeded for IP addresses in Israel. If he pirated his competitors cards to drive them out of business, he probably also pirates competing movie studios movies for the same purpose.

Re:Murdoch NDS hacked OnDigital/Canal+ (2)

Vlad_the_Inhaler (32958) | about 2 years ago | (#41818945)

Following that link and looking around a bit, this whole story is still unravelling through the courts in several countries.
From the FA: Twelve months later, Alex's offsider in Germany would be dead . . . That was "Tron"? His death made the news in Germany. At the time I thought the whole thing was simply too far-fetched but some of the other documents on the Net offer pointers to it being murder. News International has broken the law in several countries but a murder would be a new dimension.

Re:Murdoch NDS hacked OnDigital/Canal+ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41821639)

NDS and News Corporation should get the death penalty: forced dismantling and sale of assets, without any compensation to its shareholders, since they became a monopsony in Pay TV in many markets as a direct result of these frauds . But the irony is that it is impossible to give the proceedings to most of Murdoch's victims: a lot of them have been bought by News Corp for a vile price, and do not exist as an independent entity anymore.

Re:It's a lie, Murdoch was caught red handed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41818991)

"2. The girlfriend who has access to Fedex computers and tracks all packages and happens to known enough to make a connection. That doesn't make sense."

DirectTV security would not have given their real names to the NDS hacker Alex, they'd have given a fake name. They must have used their real names for Fedex because Fedex would want an ID, so how could some random Fedex employee have made the connection between fake and real name?

Murdochs NewsCorp were caught hacking phones in UK, he could have had DirectTVs security chiefs phones tapped.
That would explain a lot, if they were pirating Direct TVs cards, they'd have wanted to know if DirectTV was on to them.

$25000 is a lot of cards (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41819693)

"There were $25,000 in money orders in his hotel room and some expensive computer equipment, but Alex had to walk away from it all."

Oliver aka Alex had supposedly been programming a few DirectTV cards for dealers to get investigate the piracy network. He left a money order for $25000 in his hotel room when he fled. $25k is a *lot* of pirate cards at dealer prices and doesn't match this story.

Betteridge's law of headlines? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41819027)

Does anybody have a car analogy for how Betteridge's law of headlines applies to this article?

Re:Betteridge's law of headlines? (1)

Quirkz (1206400) | about 2 years ago | (#41820009)

No.

It goes on to say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41819573)

Gozer the Traveler. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!

Operation Duck (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41819675)

...Operation Duffy Duck, and it went terribly wrong.

Two sting operations (1)

opus_magnum (1688810) | about 2 years ago | (#41819863)

fueling each other.
This kind of positive feedback loop is not James Bond, it's Spy vs. Spy. [youtube.com]

Ah Canada... (2)

Mashiki (184564) | about 2 years ago | (#41820705)

Where DTV is effectively illegal...and you wonder why piracy is rampant on this stuff.

http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/eng/h_sf05562.html [ic.gc.ca]

Re:Ah Canada... (2)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | about 2 years ago | (#41824861)

No, no it isn't. It's not illegal to pirate Dish or DirectTV. It becomes illegal when you try to decrypt Bell or Starchoice signals. If you can, you can even subscribe to an American sat provider if you can convince them to sell you their service. You need an US address.

Mind you, the RCMP has done a great in shutting down a lot of dealers in the gray market, because these devices are CAPABLE of getting Canadian sat provider signals illegally. Lots of choicr in the past. nagra3 may it harder as well.

Re:Ah Canada... (1)

Mashiki (184564) | about 2 years ago | (#41827009)

No, no it isn't. It's not illegal to pirate Dish or DirectTV.

You might want to go take a look at that there thing called the criminal code. Here, let me help.

326. (1) Every one commits theft who fraudulently, maliciously, or without colour of right,

                (a) abstracts, consumes or uses electricity or gas or causes it to be wasted or diverted; or

                (b) uses any telecommunication facility or obtains any telecommunication service.

        Definition of "telecommunication"

        (2) In this section and section 327, telecommunication means any transmission, emission or reception of signs, signals, writing, images or sounds or intelligence of any nature by wire, radio, visual or other electromagnetic system.

and

327. (1) Every one who, without lawful excuse, the proof of which lies on him, manufactures, possesses, sells or offers for sale or distributes any instrument or device or any component thereof, the design of which renders it primarily useful for obtaining the use of any telecommunication facility or service, under circumstances that give rise to a reasonable inference that the device has been used or is or was intended to be used to obtain the use of any telecommunication facility or service without payment of a lawful charge therefor, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.
        Marginal note:Forfeiture

        (2) Where a person is convicted of an offence under subsection (1) or paragraph 326(1)(b), any instrument or device in relation to which the offence was committed or the possession of which constituted the offence, on such conviction, in addition to any punishment that is imposed, may be ordered forfeited to Her Majesty, whereupon it may be disposed of as the Attorney General directs.
        Marginal note:Limitation

        (3) No order for forfeiture shall be made under subsection (2) in respect of telephone, telegraph or other communication facilities or equipment owned by a person engaged in providing telephone, telegraph or other communication service to the public or forming part of the telephone, telegraph or other communication service or system of such a person by means of which an offence under subsection (1) has been committed if such person was not a party to the offence.

Re:Ah Canada... (1)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | about 2 years ago | (#41828859)

Nope. That's why it's still a GRAY-market. There was even Supreme Court decision supporting this (you can look it up, since you have some cool googling skills).

Show me a case where a CANADIAN citizen has prosecuted by a CANADIAN court for infringing against Dish and DirectTV. Lots of a default decisions in US courts for Canadians running sites, HW vendors and against US citizens pirating. Spend some time on http://satscams.com/ [satscams.com] to stay up to date. Usually Canadians get hammered (by the Canadian government) because they didn't report taxable income due to their FTA activities (resellers).

Yeah, I thought so. The fact that an American company cannot prove damages from a Canadian consumer pirating the signal, kind of makes this a mute point, doesn't it? It's not like the Canadian can subscribe to Dish or DirectTV, can he?

You wouldn't be working for Bell/Shaw/Cogeco/Rogers, would you? You sound a lot like the folks I run into from those companies.

The Mounties... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41822651)

"perverse blend of James Bond and the Pink Panther"

yep.

In the US.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41824177)

Many Mexican cartel weapons turned out to be supplied by what is now the Department of Homeland Security.

The largest Ecstacy dealer was in the US witness protection program while he was dealing.

The CIA trained Osama to fight the Soviets.

The Pentagon backed Saddam to fight the Iranians.

Oliver North backed Amidinijad to fight the Iraqies and admitted they imported coke into the US to pay for it.

The OK city bombing was done by an unemployed guy retired from the US military trained in demolitions.

Tell me again who the government is protecting us from?

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