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A Host Of Star Wars Bits

timothy posted more than 13 years ago | from the my-name-is-legion-for-we-are-many dept.

Star Wars Prequels 182

BIGJIMSLATE writes: "Maybe these should be considered quickies due to the number of them, but they're all Star Wars. *Warning* There may be spoilers here for some of you, so read at your own risk. Anyways, here I go." Read on below for an interesting, eclectic (not to say, oh, I dunno, "obsessive") pile of links. Sheesh, the next one won't even be out for a while!

"First off, I'm sure many of you noticed that the Official Star Wars site has been completely redesigned. In addition to the Episode II Select picture number #40 (finally) being released, there's also some new pictures of some of the characters, specifically Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan, Hayden Christensen (as Anakin), and (yowza!) Natalie Portman (as Padme Amidala). There are also small pics for Christopher Lee (as Count Dooku) and Temuera Morrison as "a bounty hunter" (read: Jango Fett).

"The official site has the first (of what appars to be many) "Making of Episode II" shorts. Although it mainly shows George, Rick, and some others talking about minor stuff, as well as "the camera" and the "Courscant street set".

"TheForce.net has some nice concept pictures of what the Clone troopers look like with a doctored pic, a fan-made rendering, and painting that looks almost like one of Ralph McQuarrie's.

" Also, The Criterion Collection is releasing Akira Kurosawa's classic, The Hidden Fortress (also known as Kakushi toride no san akunin) on May 22nd, with an anamorphic 2.35:1 transfer. What does this have to do with Star Wars? This IS Star Wars. George Lucas has (admitidly) taken this film, added some touches of Flash Gordon and WWII dogfighting films, world religions, and *bam*, Star Wars: A New Hope. It also contains an interview with George Lucas (or as I like to call him, "The Plaid One") describing the influence of The Hidden Fortress on Star Wars.

"One final bit is still a rumor at this point, but its by far the best rumor, from the most reliable sources. The Episode I DVD rumors have been kicked around for a while, but we finally have unofficial confirmation from the top "spies", as well as Rick McCallum himself!. I usually wait for the official press release myself, but these rumors are coming from the best of the best, and even Rick himself implied that they've been completed. Still no word on the "classic trilogy" or Special Editions though...

"Hope that'll keep you busy until the trailer is released (estimated by November)."

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Re:Heresy, but Natalie Portman is too thin (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#281829)

Anna Paquin in a penguin suit.

Carrying a PIII Dell laptop, loaded with SuSE.

Starwars sends the wrong message, I'm afraid (4)

alewando (854) | more than 13 years ago | (#281831)

Let's overlook the racism and the poor acting, for a moment. (True fans are busy awaiting Episode2 and aren't still making excuses for TPM.) On a much deeper level, StarWars sends a shocking, frightening, and sickening message to America's youth.

StarWars portrays space as a site of warfare between different species and even between rival human factions.

When A New Hope was released to theaters thirteen years ago, America was at peace. The Vietnam War had recently been brought to a close, and Americans were looking forward to a new era of prosperity and at friendly relations with their neighbors.

But within a few short years, America invaded Grenada, Nicaragua, Panama, Iraq, and Haiti. What had happened? What had become of our message of peace? What could have transpired in the interim to bring about this cruel turn of events?

I'll tell you what: StarWars was released to thronging masses of American youths. In their orgiastic rush to imbibe their new-found cultural icons, they discarded all the wisdom we had acquired through the blood and sweat of our recent military conquests.

It's no surprise, of course. Even the name "StarWars" itself conveys a message of conflict and carnage. A New Hope is, at bottom, a story about armed rebellion by rabble against a benevolent legal order, precisely the sort of communistic message we had come so close to defeating in Vietnam.

Perhaps it would've been different if we had won the Vietnam War. Perhaps then we would've witnessed the fall and destruction of communism and all its bastard progeny (socialism, yuppyism, the Home Shopping Network, etc.). Unfortunately, the world will never know.

George Lucas, I think I can speak for everyone here on slashdot, and indeed with the entire breath of humanity: you should be ashamed of yourself for what you have wrought.

Disgraceful.

Re:Heresy, but Natalie Portman is too thin (5)

Geoff (968) | more than 13 years ago | (#281832)

Perhaps if she should eat the hot grits instead of pouring them down her pants.

What about the "Jedi religion?" (2)

mholve (1101) | more than 13 years ago | (#281833)

In New Zealond, a bunch of fans are claiming "Jedi" as their religion on the census! If enough people do it, it must be declared as a viable religion... Food for thought, young Jedi.

DVD releases (1)

heroine (1220) | more than 13 years ago | (#281834)

After 2 years most people figured out by now that the DVD rumers are just to get kids to shut up. I doubt George has any intention of releasing anything on such a high quality format which can be copied so easily.

Re:The first movie was just Star Wars. (1)

dangermouse (2242) | more than 13 years ago | (#281836)

It was called "Star Wars - Episode IV: A New Hope".

One Paragraph. (1)

Forge (2456) | more than 13 years ago | (#281837)

Slashdot has since it's inception limited fruntpage stories to a single paragraph. Usualy with only a few sentences. In other words, not longer than the 1st paragraph of this story.

Why the suden shift and when will Rob corect it by moving that extra gunk to a side page.

Re:Ask Slashdot: Best Star Wars costume to get gir (5)

Glytch (4881) | more than 13 years ago | (#281838)

Wear Princess Leia's metal bikini. The girls will see that you're a sensitive new age guy who isn't afraid to be himself in public.

Either that, or dress up as Admiral Ackbar and start singing "Fish Heads".

Re:Starwars sends the wrong message, I'm afraid (2)

TommyP (5282) | more than 13 years ago | (#281840)

movies about peace are boring. what the hell do you want a love story in space. jeeze. explosions are inhernetly cooler in zero g.

Javascript error.... (1)

CMiYC (6473) | more than 13 years ago | (#281841)

Anyone else get a Javascript error when they go to the new starwars main page? Hmmm.....

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Star Wars is NOT a remake of Hidden Fortress! (5)

Thag (8436) | more than 13 years ago | (#281842)

The Hidden Fortress was mainly the inspiration for the two droids and their bickering comedy-relief relationship. That's just about it.

The Hidden Fortress largely follows the misadventures of two camp followers, who are basically scavengers, scumbags, and comic relief. They encounter the hero, a lone samurai general (Toshiro Mifune) travelling incognito, and get pulled along with him out of greed as they try and find a stash of gold in a (dum-dum-dum!) hidden fortress, really a kind of hole-in-the-wall hideout located in a rugged wasteland. There is also a bunch of bad guys, and a princess. There are a lot of twists and turns and treachery, and some nice sword and spear fighting at the end.

The two movies just don't fit together as neatly as people seem to believe. Star Wars has a lot of plot threads going: saving the princess, saving the rebellion from the Death Star, Luke losing his old life and becoming a hero and proto-Jedi, Han Solo demonstrating that he's not just a mercenary, Obi-wan coming out of seclusion and moving towards his final confrontation with Vader. In contrast, The Hidden Fortress is just about Toshiro Mifune's character accomplishing his quest, and, to a much lesser extent, the two camp followers trying to reap a reward through treachery and survive the results of their own actions.

Lastly, the tone of the two movies is very different. Star Wars is a saturday matinee romp, whereas The Hidden Fortress was a straightforward samurai flick with two offbeat characters for comic relief.

In short, you can see the influences, but they're really two different movies.

Jon Acheson

Re:Starwars sends the wrong message, I'm afraid (3)

artdodge (9053) | more than 13 years ago | (#281843)

StarWars portrays space as a site of warfare between different species and even between rival human factions.
Which sounds a lot more realistic to me than the crackpot utopianism of ST's vision for "The Federation".

Hate to have to say it, but we are still talking about humans here... and whatever you believe about alien species, it seems unlikely to me that most of them would be thoroughly benevolent.

Re:Starwars sends the wrong message, I'm afraid (1)

Felix The Cat (9459) | more than 13 years ago | (#281844)

A New Hope is, at bottom, a story about armed rebellion by rabble against a benevolent legal order

Um, are you sure you saw the same movie I did? Lessee, blowing Alderaan to smithereens because one of its Senators wouldn't give up the location of the Rebel base. And I wonder why the Imperial Senate was no longer a "concern" to the Emperor. Just the way Tarkin said it brought to mind Palpatine having all of the Senators summarily executed.

Yup. Sounds real benevolent to me....

(I know, I know, this is probably a troll, but sometimes a cat just can't resist having something like this dangled in front of him.)

Meow. Puurr.

Re:Hidden Fortress (1)

Sleepyguy (12339) | more than 13 years ago | (#281846)

You're thinking of the Seven Samurai(akira kurosawa, 1954) and The Magnificent Seven(John Sturges, 1960).

It's no secret that The Magnificent Seven is a derivitave work.

Now go ahead and watch Battle Beyond the Stars (Jimmy T. Murakami, 1980)

_

Portman's Coustume (2)

Sleepyguy (12339) | more than 13 years ago | (#281847)

is it just me or does that look like a hand-me-down from Cassiopia from Battlestar Galactica

Re:Starwars sends the wrong message, I'm afraid (2)

sammy baby (14909) | more than 13 years ago | (#281849)

George Lucas, I think I can speak for everyone here on slashdot, and indeed with the entire breath of humanity: you should be ashamed of yourself for what you have wrought.
Mod +1, Funny.

Re:Starwars sends the wrong message, I'm afraid (1)

Elwood P Dowd (16933) | more than 13 years ago | (#281850)

Or maybe he was only joking.
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Re:Forthcoming DVD options... (1)

KFury (19522) | more than 13 years ago | (#281851)

Following this logic, they would probably put out the barebones DVD, then come out with a 'collectors edition' 6 months later, ala American Beauty and so many other DVDs. It's almost a standard practice.

Then again, George already got us, releasing the trilogy on video when the remastered versions were in the theater, then releasing the remastered in letterbox VHS 8 months later...

Kevin Fox
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Forthcoming DVD options... (5)

KFury (19522) | more than 13 years ago | (#281852)

George has said they waited on the DVDs so they could put time into them and add the special features they deserve.

Some of the features I'm looking forward to:
  • Anamorphic wide aspect-ratio non-Jarjar edition.
  • 5.1 remastered Home-THX with Grover voiceovers for Yoda.
  • Deleted Natalie Portman scenes in multi-angle.

Kevin Fox
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Re:Lords of the Sith (1)

DuckWing (19575) | more than 13 years ago | (#281853)

That was an excellent film. I loved the use of the multiple panes so you can see concept art, the blue screen, and then the final product. Very well done. They should seek parts in an upcoming movie ;-)

-- DuckWing

Re:Hidden Fortress (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 13 years ago | (#281854)

> I remember seeing another japanese samuri film, and recognizing that it was identical with an early Clint Eastwood spaghetti western. Camera angles and all, just transplanted from Japan to the Italian version of the American west.

And interestingly enough, Italy is half-way between China and the American West.

I'm sure there's some deep meaning in there somewhere, though I haven't quite pinned it down yet.

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Re:Starwars sends the wrong message, I'm afraid (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 13 years ago | (#281855)

> True fans are busy awaiting Episode2

I'm no longer a True Fan after E1, but I'm eagerly awaiting E2 anyway, 'cause I heard that it will include a graphic depiction of the slow dismemberment of Jar Jar Binks.

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I hate to agree with Bill Waterson (4)

the_tsi (19767) | more than 13 years ago | (#281858)

Since I hate his stand on merchandising, but I definately think that the overwhelming wave of *crap* being put out for Episode I has destroyed (as if the movie didn't do it alone) my faith in Star Wars.

I used to be a theforce.net junkie, I used to get all the action figures (you know, when you had to fight other kids at Toys R Us to get your hands into the first shipment of Boba Fett and Lando Calrissian), and I used to watch at least one of the videos roughly weekly. Yeah, I'd just put it on in the background while I wrote reports, played Quake or brushed the dog.

But ever since the flood of sub-par Episode 1 merchandise (I mean, Lucas used to only allow COOL stuff that was fun to have and looked nice both on the shelf and on the battle scene in the middle of the floor), my interest has waned.

While I did join a team of people to take turns camping out for Phantom Menace tickets, I wasn't one of the folks who was expecting it to be a life changing event -- I wanted to be pleasantly surprised when I got there instead of disappointed. But I guess I had a bad experience or something, because when I saw this list of quickies I thought "Oh great, stuff about that next star wars movie. Where's the technology news?" And then I thought, "what the hell? This used to be a religious thing for me, why don't I care." And then I realized it. And then I realized I could post about it for lots of karma. :)

Anyway, here's to hoping that Episode II delights more than I did. Maybe I'll see it in the first week. Probably not.

-Chris
...More Powerful than Otto Preminger...

Re:Hidden Fortress (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 13 years ago | (#281860)

You've got it backwards. The spaghetti westerns (Magnificent Seven &c) lifted EVERYTHING from Kurosawa (Seven Samurai &c). I believe Kurosawa returned the favor with some of his movies.

I like the Japanese versions MUCH better than the Italian ones...regardless of which came first.

Re:George Lucas is an idiot... (1)

Johnny O (22313) | more than 13 years ago | (#281861)

If you are impatient, get the LaserDisc version.

I am still basking in the THX glow and the Dolby Digital 6.1 soundtrack for the Phantom Menace! :-)

The original THX editions and the "Special Editions" of 4, 5, and 6 look and sound (DD again but 5.1) quite nice too on LaserDisc.

DVD's are cool, but I take what I can get! :-)

Let's not be U.S.-centric... (2)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 13 years ago | (#281863)

Slowly, across the world... allowing for folks on the dark side of the planet to wake up and check /.

Re:I hate to agree with Bill Waterson (1)

Bimble (28588) | more than 13 years ago | (#281865)

But ever since the flood of sub-par Episode 1 merchandise...

What the heck are you talking about? The Phantom Menace gave us some of the best movie merchandise ever! I mean, how can you top products like "Talkin' Hungry Hero Jar Jar", a plush doll with a retractable tongue that not only comes with little frog things with velcro that sticks to said tongue, but that also talks when you squeeze his hand? And I'm talking great lines like "Meesa wuvs you" and "Maxi big...da Force"!

There's also the Jar Jar Binks tongue candy (push a plunger, Jar Jar's mouth opens, and a candy tongue pokes out for children to eat), and the Queen Amidala inflatable chair! And don't forget the horde of merchandise that was released for the original trilogy to create interest for the new movie - without Episode I, we might never have received such bounty as "Jabba Glob", the Jabba doll that pukes slime when you push on his head!

I, for one, am praying that George Lucas will grace us with another merchandise bonanza when the next movie is due to be released. His merchandising creativity far surpasses anything I could ever hope to achieve - there's no way I could make this stuff up. Even better, you can pick up most of the really cool Episode I merchandise dirt cheap at toy stores right now - there's no better feeling than finding "Jabba Glob" for 3 bucks.

Re:Starwars sends the wrong message, I'm afraid (1)

Unknown Poltroon (31628) | more than 13 years ago | (#281866)

A New Hope is, at bottom, a story about armed rebellion by rabble against a benevolent legal order, precisely the sort of communistic message we had come so close to defeating in Vietnam.

Yeah, this is America. We would never encourage people to rebell against the legal order. Unless theyre King George III. Moron, read some history before you troll.

Re:Starwars sends the wrong message, I'm afraid (5)

ajs (35943) | more than 13 years ago | (#281874)

Let's overlook the racism and the poor acting, for a moment.

Let's not. What racism and poor acting? Granted, I will never claim that ANH, TESB, RotJ or TPM have the best acting that hollywood has ever seen, but TESB was, IMHO, one of Ford's best roles. TPM featured some excellent acting on the parts of McGregor (who, I will readily concede has done even more accomplished work elsewhere) and many others. I'm not going to go into child actors like Portman or the boy, because they're children. They were both better than Shirley temple, but you just don't expect an adult's range of skill from a child.

As for racism, I think you're grasping for straws. There are racial stereotypes certainly, but it's hard to establish a never before heard of race and not stereotype it as "agressive" or "funny" or "ill tempered". It's one of the limitations of the medium. However, in order to classify as "racism", I think you would have to actually introduce an *existing* racial stereotype or clearly attempt to sway the audience to hatred on the basis of race alone. SW never does this, AFAICR.

StarWars portrays space as a site of warfare between different species and even between rival human factions.

Please cite a period of human history that suggests that warfare is likely to ever stop being a part of our lives. Once you come up with that example, you can tell me why we should portray it, the exception, instead of the other 99.9999999 percent of human history as the rule.

Of course, we're not talking about humans here (it being a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away), but I'll give you that much as a rhertorical point of common ground.

George Lucas, I think I can speak for everyone here on slashdot, and indeed with the entire breath of humanity: you should be ashamed of yourself for what you have wrought.

Don't go speaking for me. I'm not just a fan of the Star Wars movies (though, I am that), I'm a fan of the genre made up of hero-epic stories. Joseph Campbell has it right, we tell stories in order to explore our nature, and the hero quest is the aspect of our nature which we portray the most universally (though, you could argue that it's a particularly male point of view). Star Wars helps a new generation of viewers to explore that story in a time when Beowulf, Greek myth, Exodus, Robin Hood and the other classic Hero tales are considered pase. I applaud George Lucas and all of the others who have helped to bring Star Wars to fruition, and deeply urge anyone with the talent to try to further the quest in new stories about humanity's quest for enlightenment.

Disgraceful.

No, what's disgraceful is that such a poorly thought out post would be moderated up to a 5 just because it was cranked out before there was much to moderate.

Re:Heresy, but Natalie Portman is too thin (1)

buzzword (43792) | more than 13 years ago | (#281876)

That's kinda the way I feel. More so since I saw the uncut version of said film

Need Know Star SW Pic (1)

Drath (50447) | more than 13 years ago | (#281877)

Why does that shot of Natalie Portman look like
she's wearing a costume I used in a Star Wars
home move I made when I was 12? Comeon George,
when the CGI clothing looks better than the actual
stuff, your in trouble.

Re:What about the "Jedi religion?" (2)

Cy Guy (56083) | more than 13 years ago | (#281878)

In New Zealond, a bunch of fans are claiming "Jedi" as their religion on the census! If enough people do it, it must be declared as a viable religion... Food for thought, young Jedi.

It's a hoax, read this story [yahoo.com] regarding the same thing when it was tried in Britain. (note the author of the story, I don't know if this is a coincidence, or part of the hoax).

If the aim is really to establish a Jedi religion, then why not go about it through the normal channels, have regular meetings of the followers, write some authoritative tome, then begin hating and warring with practicioners of other religions. That's how all the other 'great' religions started: Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Linux, etc.

Re:Hidden Fortress (2)

snubber1 (56537) | more than 13 years ago | (#281879)

You forgot one of the most copied scenes *ever*. The bandits in seven samuari that come cresting over a hillside at the start of the attack. That whole scene of them pouring over the hill was INVENTED by Akira Kurosawa and copied by just about every battle film ever since.

Re:Starwars sends the wrong message, I'm afraid (1)

jguthrie (57467) | more than 13 years ago | (#281880)

The first run lasted considerably longer than 8 weeks. I can recall watching "Star Wars" at the Raintree Cinemas during the last week of the first run more than a year after it opened.

Re:Hidden Fortress (1)

jidai (74229) | more than 13 years ago | (#281885)

The blockbuster i shop at has quitea few kurosawa flicks.

Another Sacred Cow (2)

selectspec (74651) | more than 13 years ago | (#281886)

Go ahead and mod down, but StarWars seems to me to be another one of those sacred cows. I loved the original movie as a kid, and the sequels were entertaining, but as I got older I began to realize that the acting, storyline, writing, directing, etc, really were nothing special. Clearly, the original StarWars will stand out as a groundbreaking special effects piece as well as cultural filmpiece. Reinforcing my erroding faith, Lucas with his renovated re-releases of the first trilogy, insults us with the Jaba scene in episode IV. Also, to be blunt, Episode I completly sucked as a movie. I mean, the light sabres were cool and the darth mul guy was pretty cool, but the rest sucked (except that big fish, that was neat). Midocondrians? What the hell? Explaining the force? That is like when stupid fantasy books try and explain magic. What a stupid premiss. And as for JarJar, enough said. Of course JarJar is no worse than the Ewoks or Yoda. The Episode I script has less depth than one of Bill Shattner's tech war books. The "political" dramma is oversimplified rediculousness. The bad guys are too bad and the good guys are too good. Look, I am not saying these movies are terrible, they are very entertaining, but they aren't worth all of this iconification.

Re:Forthcoming DVD options... (2)

JWW (79176) | more than 13 years ago | (#281889)

What'd be best part (for the distributors of the DVD's) is that there would be no difference between the grover voice over and they regular Yoda. ;-)

Re:Slashdot posts news on Star Wars! (1)

Cplus (79286) | more than 13 years ago | (#281890)

or maybe, 'instantly acccross the nation'.

Re:Heresy, but Natalie Portman is too thin (2)

passion (84900) | more than 13 years ago | (#281893)

Remember, she *is* supposed to be the mother of Princess Leia. Carrie Fisher's portrayal didn't necessarily make her look buxom, nor voluptuous.

Fan films - have a look at "Troops" (1)

Jens (85040) | more than 13 years ago | (#281894)

Have you guys (and gals :) had a look at "Troops"? It's available here (http://www.accessdenied.net/troops.htm). Blurb:

"This is a spoof of the Fox show COPS, but set in the Star Wars universe. Hillarious and well done. Made with less than $2,000, a video camera and a home computer."

View it. It's worth it.

Lords of the Sith (5)

kevin@ank.com (87560) | more than 13 years ago | (#281895)

One master, one apprentice, no less.

I was just about to submit this as a news article, but since my submissions never get accepted anyway...

Fanfilms.com [fanfilms.com] has several very good amateur short films set in the starwars universe. The one that really caught my eye though is the six and a half minute long film Duality [theforce.net] about the final test of a new apprentice Lord of the Sith. The film makers put up some very good information about amateur film-making at their site [crewoftwo.com] , including modelling hints, costuming, storyboards, and script notes.

I'm really impressed with the quality of this amateur film; and if there are any more out there like this, I'd like to see them.

Re:Hmm (1)

Geekboy(Wizard) (87906) | more than 13 years ago | (#281896)

i noticed that myself, but after a quick refresh, it's not there, you have to click on the link to see the whole story...(one of the hazards of being on the cutting edge, is that you're on the cutting edge...;-)

Re:The first movie was just Star Wars. (2)

Geekboy(Wizard) (87906) | more than 13 years ago | (#281898)

The full title is

Star Wars: Episode 4: A New Hope



Re:Star Wars is NOT a remake of Hidden Fortress! (1)

xTown (94562) | more than 13 years ago | (#281903)

Thanks, Jon. I was going to ask about this same thing, since I saw Hidden Fortress a while ago, and don't recall it being anything like Star Wars. Whenever I hear this comparison I just have to go "huh?".

If only.... (1)

Xenex (97062) | more than 13 years ago | (#281904)

If Slashdot worked like the real world:

*** timothy (timothy@monkey.org) Quit (Excess Flood)

Umm, what?! What do you mean IRC is not the real world?!

Offtopic huh? (1)

Xenex (97062) | more than 13 years ago | (#281905)

Well, if the moderator actully read the site (or previous comments), they would have been aware of the fact that when the story was first posted, on the front pages the entire thing was showing.

It looked to me like the /. equivalent of an IRC excess flood.

It was a joke. Perhaps not the funniest thing ever to grace a /. post, but an ontopic joke all the same.

Sad day when you have to explain why your post is not offtopic...

Re:Starwars sends the wrong message... WHAT? (2)

Christianfreak (100697) | more than 13 years ago | (#281906)

I can't believe I'm replying to this troll but with moderators on CRACK today I feel I must.

Let's overlook the racism and the poor acting, for a moment.

Acting is your opinion but where did you get racism? If you are refering too the whole trade federation is the Japanese thing that was said when Episode 1 came out well maybe George Lucas is a genius and wanted to make an evil trade federation empire and people assumed that he was making a statement about the Japanese because thats how they see them. The statement was made that various aliens look "obviously" look like various races well OBVIOUSLY no one has ever seen an alien and our human minds relate to what is unfamiliar to what is familiar.

On a much deeper level, StarWars sends a shocking, frightening, and sickening message to America's youth. StarWars portrays space as a site of warfare between different species and even between rival human factions.

1. What's different about that description of space and an accurate description of the way the world/society is? 2. Who's to say that space isn't that way?

. . .But within a few short years, America invaded Grenada, Nicaragua, Panama, Iraq, and Haiti. What had happened? What had become of our message of peace? What could have transpired in the interim to bring about this cruel turn of events?

In other news the government has also built the matrix and we are keeping another race of humans subject to us in a virutual world ... come-on this is a very very poor example of life immitating art. These actions were brought on because of America's insistance on policing the world. Korea, Cuba, Vietnam happened before this movie came out and the gov is still doing it today.

I'll tell you what: StarWars was released to thronging masses of American youths. In their orgiastic rush to imbibe their new-found cultural icons, they discarded all the wisdom we had acquired through the blood and sweat of our recent military conquests.

Ummm maybe news to you but America got their butts kicked in Vietnam. And you contridicted yourself, you said war was bad now you are saying conquests are good? Troll troll troll

I can't believe this was modded up.


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Re:Slashdot posts news on Star Wars! (1)

skwog (101252) | more than 13 years ago | (#281907)

You mean 'rapidly accross the nation'.

Re:Heresy, but Natalie Portman is too thin (1)

Gorbie (101704) | more than 13 years ago | (#281908)

Anna Paquin. Mmmmmm.

The first movie was just Star Wars. (1)

haystor (102186) | more than 13 years ago | (#281909)

Is it just me, or was the first movie only called "Star Wars", and not some crap about a new hope.

After the crap put forth just recently, I refuse to recognize anything outside of the trilogy.

Sorry, not true (1)

SirWhoopass (108232) | more than 13 years ago | (#281910)

The "Jedi as a religion" issue is not true. It was already tried in New Zealand and, more recently, in the UK. Even if everyone in the country claims it, it still won't be a religion. [yahoo.com]

Re:I hate to agree with Bill Waterson (1)

crivens (112213) | more than 13 years ago | (#281913)

I have to agree with you - Episode I was crap. I'm in no hurry for Episode II. I wonder if there will be the same kind of craze as its release approaches.

Genetics of breasts? (2)

Galvatron (115029) | more than 13 years ago | (#281918)

Anyone know? Is this an x linked trait, or just a regular one? Are larger sizes dominant, recessive, or co-dominant?

Inquiring minds need to know.

The only "intuitive" interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned.

Re:Starwars sends the wrong message, I'm afraid (1)

nobody69 (116149) | more than 13 years ago | (#281920)

Quyite a lovely little troll, you had me going until you referred to yuppies and the Home Shopping Network as the 'bastard progeny' of communism. HAND.

Re:Hidden Fortress (1)

donglekey (124433) | more than 13 years ago | (#281922)

The movie Last Man Standing with Bruce Willis and Christopher Walken is another example of a movie made off of an old japanese samurai movie.

It's my fault.! (1)

Some12 (129970) | more than 13 years ago | (#281924)

I thought it appropriate for this article to be displayed on the front page. I used an old Jedi mind trick and manipulate the servers from here. May the force be with you!

Someone bent my wookie =-(

Re:Starwars sends the wrong message, I'm afraid (1)

Beafsteak (132843) | more than 13 years ago | (#281925)

There was a very interesting article [salon.com] on salon.com about this when Episode I was released. Although it somewhat compared Star Wars to Star Trek, it showed some of the grotesque morals implanted in the SW-movies.

Wow... (1)

slashdoter (151641) | more than 13 years ago | (#281928)

is it just me or did we slashdot the Starwars site? Hehehe I wonder who the site will take the movie release, they only have a year :(


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Re:Starwars sends the wrong message, I'm afraid (4)

seanmeister (156224) | more than 13 years ago | (#281929)

Or maybe it's just a movie.

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Re:Starwars sends the wrong message, I'm afraid (1)

big_cat79 (156695) | more than 13 years ago | (#281930)

How can you blame a movie(s) that includes 7' tall hairy creatures, swords made of lights, some kind of octopi as an Admiral, etc., etc., etc. for war-mongering? That is absurd. It's science fiction. To me, it's closer to fantasy. Some how I just don't see George the I watching The Empire Strikes Back and deciding to go bomb Baghdad. What utter BS.

BigCat79

Re:What about the "Jedi religion?" (1)

big_cat79 (156695) | more than 13 years ago | (#281931)

I just saw an article about this. Its an email hoax. The email said if at least 8,000 people listed Jedi as their religion, it would be an official choice on the next census. It got repeated in the UK as needing 10,000 people needed. A UK census official listed it as complete nonsense.

BigCat79

Re:Hidden Fortress (2)

cfleming (161451) | more than 13 years ago | (#281932)

"Fist Full of Dollars" with Clint Eastwood was a shot-for-shot remake of Akira Kurosawa's "Yojimbo". That was the movie that really started the Spaghetti Western movement.

"Last Standing Man" with Bruce Willis was also a remake of "Yojimbo", but not shot-for-shot.

"The Magnificent Seven" was a remake of Kurosawa's "Seven Samurai".

And finally Kurosawa's "Ran" was a remake of Shakespear's "King Lear".

The irony in all of this is that Akira took Western ideas and used them to make samurai movies, which then got remade into Westerns.

And to add one more interesting thought. Lots of classic shots in anime fights are taken from Kurosawa's work. Like the striken enemy not falling over until a delayed few seconds after the blow a.k.a. "Seven Samurai", and the great gyser of blood a.k.a. "Sanjuro"

Re:George Lucas is an idiot... (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 13 years ago | (#281933)

But rabid fans will want there own copy, not some crap on the internet.
And lets face it, there are a ton of rabid star wars fan (I'm one!).

Re:Heresy, but Natalie Portman is too thin (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 13 years ago | (#281934)

Only one for me...
Jessica Alba (Dark Angel)

Excuse me while I drool...

Re:Lords of the Sith (1)

Beowulfto (169354) | more than 13 years ago | (#281935)

Perhaps I am spoiled because I have friends that are professional filmmakers, (I tend to pick up this and that), but all the Star Wars fan films that I have seen have been pretty crapy, including Duality.

Oops, I just remembered Troopers, that one was very good!

However, while many of the fan films contain very nice animation or FX, they all (with the exception of Troopers) lack a quality script. You might like to look at some pretty pictures, but I like to have a nice story as well.

OTOH, the fan films are exactly like The Fantom Menace!
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Re:Starwars sends the wrong message, I'm afraid (1)

SomeOtherGuy (179082) | more than 13 years ago | (#281942)

Quick -- get this guy back in front of his Star Trek TNG reruns...+ as an added bonus we can get Katz on the case and see if we can get a piece that describes the not so absurd rants that maybe star wars did launch the true decline of western civilization....

the emperor... (1)

enrico_suave (179651) | more than 13 years ago | (#281944)

the Emperor [randomdrivel.com] is pleased...

Hidden Fortress (2)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 13 years ago | (#281945)

So now we get to all go out and rent Japanese movies, and then criticise SWII when it comes out, because it is not as good as the original.

I remember seeing another japanese samuri film, and recognizing that it was identical with an early Clint Eastwood spaghetti western. Camera angles and all, just transplanted from Japan to the Italian version of the American west. You could almost run them side by side.

I hope SWII doesn't turn out like that. I still think it would have worked out better writing if young Darth had turned out to be identical twins. The possible plot twists would have been wonderful. (For example - who turns to the dark side - the one who goes for training, or the one who does not?) Audiences would have been second guessing all along.

Now it feels less like genius and more like a marketing machine. [shrug]

Check out the Vinny the Vampire [eplugz.com] comic strip

Re:Hidden Fortress (2)

Erasmus Darwin (183180) | more than 13 years ago | (#281947)

I still think it would have worked out better writing if young Darth had turned out to be identical twins. The possible plot twists would have been wonderful. (For example - who turns to the dark side - the one who goes for training, or the one who does not?)

That's a little too easy to answer -- obviously, it would be the one named "Anakin". I suppose you could then add some contrived situations (either twins named "Annakin" and "Anakkin" or make "Anakin Skywalker" yet another alias that he's gone through or make the evil twin pick up the name of his slain brother) to make it work, but that seems like an ugly kludge.

On the other hand, it would've been neat if they went on to draw parallels between this set of twins and Luke/Leia.

All I can say (1)

jmu1 (183541) | more than 13 years ago | (#281949)

is
/me drools
/me drools alot
/me sounds like Homer Simpson

Re:Heresy, but Natalie Portman is too thin (1)

jmu1 (183541) | more than 13 years ago | (#281950)

Well, I agree with you... in theory. It is perfectly possible for her to become 'more human-like' but unfortunatly, the eyes of the world are still on the waifs who can't seem to keep their food down.
Me, I am all about curves, I like them on my women just as much as my cars, stereos, computers... i'm just curvy! lol

Re:All I can say (1)

jmu1 (183541) | more than 13 years ago | (#281951)

This is a troll...
How was the post above this offtopic?
Ban bad moderation!

Re:The first movie was just Star Wars. (1)

jaydub99 (188487) | more than 13 years ago | (#281952)

There are some semi-reliable sources who claim that "A New Hope" was added some time during the first run of the movie, but was not there during the first little while (weeeks?). I think "the crawl" always showed Episode IV though.

Re:The first movie was just Star Wars. (4)

Ereth (194013) | more than 13 years ago | (#281955)

Actually, the Episode IV: A New Hope title was not added until the re-release AFTER Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back. In fact, there was much confusion when Empire opened with Episode V and many casual moviegoers wandering around wondering where episodes 2,3, and 4 had gone (assuming Star Wars to be episode 1). Lucas had explained that he always wanted it to be part of a trilogy, but that he had had so much trouble getting financing and had no idea how successful it would be (there were articles announcing it would be the greatest dud of all time), that he had left the subtitle off, in case he could only make the one. As we all know, it turned out bigger than anyone expected, and he was able to make the sequels and add the Episode IV: A New Hope title when re-released. There were other subtle changes. Obi-wan, when first meeting Luke and being told that R2-D2 claimed to belong to him originally said "I don't recall ever owning a droid. Leastways not one of these modern ones." The "modern" line was removed for the first re-release after Lucas had decided the entire storyline would be told from the perspective of the droids, and so R2-D2 couldn't be a modern droid, if he were to be in Episodes 1, 2 and 3. And in case you wonder what my source is: it's me. I saw these films on their first run release, over and over and over. The interviews with Lucas were mostly taken from Starlog magazine, which we devoured for any information about the upcoming movie, long before we had a World Wide Web. I knew "The Empire Strikes Back" was Episode V when I went to the first showing in town, but most of the other people who were there did not, and there was a loud outcy of confusion when the opening scroll went by. It was several YEARS after "Star Wars" premiered that the film contained "Episode IV: A New Hope", though Lucas had always wanted it to be part of a serial (like the Saturday afternoon serials of his youth).

Re:George Lucas is an idiot... (1)

sulli (195030) | more than 13 years ago | (#281956)

No, they'll be on Gnutella in Divx the next day. He wants to make money on selling his videos!

Re:What about the "Jedi religion?" (1)

ColdGrits (204506) | more than 13 years ago | (#281959)

"was tried in Britain"?

Interesting, because we haven't HAD the census in Britain yet...

Slashdot posts news on Star Wars! (4)

KurdtX (207196) | more than 13 years ago | (#281961)

And slowly, across the nation, work grinds to a halt for all Slashdot'ers...

Kurdt

Aaarg I can't stop myself!!!! (1)

graveyhead (210996) | more than 13 years ago | (#281963)

All your jedi are belong to us!

Re:Lords of the Sith (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 13 years ago | (#281965)

I Posted it, it was rejected, I posted an article where it was obtusely relevent and got moderated into a black hole. You're posting it where it belongs, may da force be with yuz.

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Re:Hidden Fortress (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 13 years ago | (#281966)

Local chain (read: Blockbuster) video stores don't carry the old japanese classics (i.e. hidden fortress, seven samurai) they carry pap. This is why you owe it to yourself to support locally owned video stores which do cater to other than Top Ten mentalities.

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May the Shwartz be wid Youse (2)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 13 years ago | (#281967)

I'm waiting for Spaceballs 2!

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Re:I hate to agree with Bill Waterson (2)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 13 years ago | (#281968)

Yogurt: Merchandising, merchandising, where the real
money from the movie is made. Spaceballs the T-shirt.
Spaceballs the lunchbox. Spaceballs the coloring book.
Spaceballs... the flame thrower! Kids love it. And my
favorite, Spaceballs the Doll -- me!
[Pulls string]
Doll: May the schwartz be with you!

Classic Brooks, absolutely what you said.

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How about a 'Theforce.net' Slashbox? (3)

Bonker (243350) | more than 13 years ago | (#281973)

Hmm? As an average geek who plans to enjoy Ep2 when it comes out, but is not obsessing about it, or particularly horny for Natalie Portman, can we get a slashbox for Theforce.net to get some of the more pointless SW news off the main page? Huh? It can't be that hard to set up, guys, espcially if you've got one for Sluggy Freelence.

That's right, Mod me down, karma-boy.

Re:Hidden Fortress (1)

sojiro (255286) | more than 13 years ago | (#281978)

Actually, most of the great Westerns were inspired/based on Japanese films--Mag. Seven from Seven Samurai and Fistful of Dollars from Yojimbo, to name a few. Then again, Kurosawa based some of his movies on English epics, such as King Lear. I think both the Westerns and the Japanese films are great examples of what can go right in cross-culture art!

terms of use for official website (2)

Proud Geek (260376) | more than 13 years ago | (#281979)

I don't like to rain on anyone's parade, but Lucasfilm is a big media corporation, and you can't just go assuming they are good guys because they make cool movies. Read the terms of use of their website. After all, you've already accepted them. Even worse, there isn't so much as a splash box asking me to accept them or leave; come on, even Microsoft says these are the terms, take them or leave them, BEFORE installing Office XP.

Anyway, for anyone who is too lazy, or doesn't want to accept them before reading them, here are a few key points:

"By using this site, you signify that you agree to these Terms of Use." By the time you've read them, you've already agreed.

"The sale, auction, lease, loan, gift, trade or barter, or use of any of the text, graphics, photographs, audio and/or video material or stills from audiovisual material or any other materials contained herein, for any other purpose, in any form, media or technology now known or hereafter developed, including the use of any of the aforementioned materials on any other Web site or networked computer environment, without a prior written consent from Lucasfilm, is expressly prohibited." You can't give the pics to your friend, in fact, you can't even email them to yourself, should you be so inclined.

"The creation of derivative works based on the materials contained herein including, but not limited to, products, services, fonts, icons, link buttons, wallpaper, desktop themes, on-line postcards and greeting cards and unlicensed merchandise (whether sold, bartered or given away) is expressly prohibited. You may download one copy of the materials on any single computer for your personal, non-commercial home use only, provided you keep intact all copyright and other proprietary notices." Hmm, one copy only (I hope my browser's cache doesn't count as a second copy!), and I'm not allowed to create a derivative work, like a desktop wallpaper. God forbid anyone should actually like Star Wars, apparently Lucasfilm doesn't allow it.

"If at our request you send certain specific submissions (e.g., postings to chats, surveys, message boards, contests, or similar items) or, despite our request that you not send us any other creative materials, you send us creative suggestions, ideas, notes, drawings, concepts, or other information (collectively the "Submissions") shall be deemed and shall remain the property of Lucasfilm Ltd. in perpetuity. By making any Submission, the sender automatically grants, or warrants that the owner of such material expressly grants, Lucasfilm the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, and distribute such material (in whole or in part) throughout the universe and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media or technology now known or hereafter developed, for the full term of any copyright, trademark or patent that may exist in such material for any purpose that Lucasfilm chooses, whether internal, public, commercial, or otherwise, without any compensation, credit or notice to the sender whatsoever. " Two sentences of leglaese. I think it says that anything you say to them, or on their site, belongs to them. Sounds good to me; if episode III is as bad as episode I, they can just steal some fan fics and use them. They've already said they own them and can do whatever they want without giving you credit, or even telling you.

"We reserve the right, at our discretion, to change, modify, add, or remove portions of these Terms of Use at any time. ... Your continued use of this site after the posting of changes to these terms will mean you agree to abide by those changes." And best of all, they can change them without telling you. That makes me especially confident in their privacy policy.

I have my doubts that this policy would be worth the bits it was sent with in court, but I sure hope it isn't. I'm pretty sure I violated it just by viewing the site in my browser. What a load of crap.

Re:Heresy, but Natalie Portman is too thin (1)

typical geek (261980) | more than 13 years ago | (#281980)

Oooh, I forgot about her!

Yeah, Jessica Alba!

Heresy, but Natalie Portman is too thin (5)

typical geek (261980) | more than 13 years ago | (#281981)

It may be troll heresy to admit, but I think Nat's a little too thin. [theforce.net]
I prefer woman with a few more curves, maybe Tiffany Amber-Theissen, or even Rene Zellweger (as Bridget Jones).

Re:terms of use for official website (1)

MeltyMan (262145) | more than 13 years ago | (#281982)

"You may not, without express written consent, at any time Slashdot this website."
Hee hee...

Re:Heresy, but Natalie Portman is too thin (1)

tb3 (313150) | more than 13 years ago | (#281988)

I'm sorry, but I remember first seeing Natalie Portman as a twelve-year-old girl in "Leon" (AKA "The Professional"). Thinking about her in any other way makes me feel like a dirty old man.
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Re:Hidden Fortress (2)

tb3 (313150) | more than 13 years ago | (#281989)

Fist Full of Dollars and Last Man Standing from Yojimbo; The Magnificent Seven and Battle Beyond the Stars from Seven Samurai.
Kurosawa based Ran on King Lear.
The quality of the work (Ran, Magnificent Seven) just goes to prove the old adage: "Good artists copy, great artists steal".
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Here's the correct titles (1)

BIGJIMSLATE (314762) | more than 13 years ago | (#281990)

Akira Kurosawa's Yojimbo (The Bodyguard) was almost exactly copied for both Clint Eastwood's "Fistful of Dollars" and Willis' "Last Man Standing".

George Lucas is an idiot... (1)

mancxvi (319922) | more than 13 years ago | (#281992)

for not releasing his films on DVD. He needs several boots to the head.

Re:George Lucas is an idiot... (1)

mancxvi (319922) | more than 13 years ago | (#281993)

Yes, but he acts as if EVERYBODY is going to obtain them that way. Gnutella isn't so widespread that nobody will buy DVDs.

Re:Heresy, but Natalie Portman is too thin (2)

UltraBot2K1 (320256) | more than 13 years ago | (#281994)

Thin is good. There's less of her to petrify!

Re:The first movie was just Star Wars. (1)

CoachS (324092) | more than 13 years ago | (#281996)

The scrolling text at the beginning of the "first" movie says "Episode IV, A New Hope..."

-Coach-

Re:Forthcoming DVD options... (2)

CoachS (324092) | more than 13 years ago | (#281999)

I guess I'll take George's word for it, but I've always suspected that they waited on the DVD so that the real fans would buy the VHS first. If they released the DVD right away, folks who have DVD would just buy the DVD. If they wait a year then the fans who don't want to wait will buy the VHS immediately and then buy the DVD also (for the higher quality and extra features) when it finally releases.

Maybe I'm a cynic. :)

-Coach-

Maybe smarter than you think... (2)

CoachS (324092) | more than 13 years ago | (#282000)

If he releases the DVD immediately how many VHS copies does he sell? The real fans will buy the VHS because they can't wait and then buy the DVD when it finally releases. More money for George.

-Coach-

Re:Heresy, but Natalie Portman is too thin (1)

Quixotic Raindrop (443129) | more than 13 years ago | (#282007)

Heresy, probably not.

But, since I'm a bit of a troll afficinado, I'll bite:

Ms. Portman could very well be the sexiest woman who's ever lived, too-thin or not. A damn sight fine, and edible to boot.

Whoops, did I say that outloud?

GREAT!!! (1)

madhatter256 (443326) | more than 13 years ago | (#282009)

I'm glad that you guys post something that is great!! Although I'm a bit disappointed from the 1st episode cause of JarJar!!!!! But keep in mind that the 2nd episode will be more of a love story and the 3rd episode will be a good one because that is when all of the jedi's will start to disappear and become "extinct" and a lot of battles take place. P.S. They are soon going to start casting for 3rd episode.

Re:The first movie was just Star Wars. (1)

Colonel Hakker (444393) | more than 13 years ago | (#282010)

No this IS something that should be modded up.
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