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Hurricane Sandy Damages Space Shuttle Enterprise

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the space-wind dept.

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SchrodingerZ writes "The now decommissioned Space Shuttle Enterprise appears to have been damaged by super storm Sandy, as it blew through New York City. The shuttle is currently on display on the deck of the USS Intrepid, as part of the Sea, Air, and Space museum on pier 86. The storm tore through the shuttle's inflatable pavilion which housed it, leaving a deflated mess over the space craft. It appears that the pavilion has damaged the vertical stabilizer on the tail of the craft. The museum has yet to comment on the situation. This is not the first time the Enterprise has been damaged however. As it was being towed through Jamaica Bay en route to its new home in Manhattan, the barge was hit by wind and forced the spacecraft's wingtip into a railroad bridge pylon ."

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WELL LET'S NOT PUT A MAN IN SPACE WITH IT !! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41839865)

That would be dangerous !!

I, for one ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840129)

... welcome our new Super Storm overlords. I hope people will finally wake up and realize that *we* the people of the earth is casing this to ourselves by changing the climate. This is only the beginning of much more "freak weather" to follow.

Re:I, for one ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41841163)

Oh shut up

Perfect storm. (1)

hoboroadie (1726896) | about a year ago | (#41841951)

If a large storm went north along the coast without actually going over land, would it not continue gathering energy?
"How high's the water, Mama?"

Re:Perfect storm. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41842341)

No, it would not. They get energy from water temperature, as the temp drops so does the storm.

Re:WELL LET'S NOT PUT A MAN IN SPACE WITH IT !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840281)

I wish I had mod points. That's funny. Too bad NASA didn't get the joke after 1985.

Re:WELL LET'S NOT PUT A MAN IN SPACE WITH IT !! (1)

camperdave (969942) | about a year ago | (#41840751)

Exactly! If it can't handle a measily hundred mile an hour hurricane, how is it going to handle the million mile an hour solar wind?

SO WHAT ?!? (-1, Flamebait)

vikingpower (768921) | about a year ago | (#41839885)

Slow news day, samzenpus ? "News for nerds, stuff that matters..." This is neither news for nerds, nor does this stuff matter.

Re:SO WHAT ?!? (1)

agentgonzo (1026204) | about a year ago | (#41839991)

Enterprise is a huge part of the history of human science an exploration. Damage to it is news. I bet you'd complain that it was a slow news day if a major storm blew through Paris and water damaged the Mona Lisa too, eh?

Re:SO WHAT ?!? (0, Flamebait)

vikingpower (768921) | about a year ago | (#41840069)

You are comparing apples to pears. "Enterprise" is a chunk of metal and carbon that, granted, had its part in human space exploration. Being a chunk of metal and carbon, however, it can be replaced; and if it were to go lost, not many humans would spill tears over it. Mona Lisa, on the other hand, is a work of art, with "art" in the sense of "created for beauty", hundreds of years old and held dear by many more humans than said chunk of metal and carbon. Moreover, Mona Lisa was crafted by an individual now long dead and of reputed genius, which can not be said of Enterprise. Last but not least, I do believe that in the wake of Sandy ravaging New York, there is more important news than damage having been done to a chunk of metal and carbon. QFD.

Re:SO WHAT ?!? (2)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840091)

To be fair, the Mona Lisa is also a piece of mostly carbon and a lot of poisonous metal.
It's also not really that beautiful, and lives more on its reputation than its actual appearance.
And we have technology today to accurately replicate its "beauty" and give the viewer the exact same experience viewing it as they have today, so really, your arguments for not giving the Enterprise any sentimental value can be applied to any "art" you choose.

Re:SO WHAT ?!? (2)

JustOK (667959) | about a year ago | (#41840099)

That "more important news" is on other sites. If you came to /. looking for that news, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

Re:SO WHAT ?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840125)

You are comparing apples to pears. "Enterprise" is a chunk of metal and carbon that, granted, had its part in human space exploration. Being a chunk of metal and carbon, however, it can be replaced; and if it were to go lost, not many humans would spill tears over it. Mona Lisa, on the other hand, is a work of art, with "art" in the sense of "created for beauty", hundreds of years old and held dear by many more humans than said chunk of metal and carbon. Moreover, Mona Lisa was crafted by an individual now long dead and of reputed genius, which can not be said of Enterprise. Last but not least, I do believe that in the wake of Sandy ravaging New York, there is more important news than damage having been done to a chunk of metal and carbon. QFD.

If you consider the mona lisa "some paint on a canvas" it is replaceable too.
The Enterprise is much more than some piece of metal and carbon as the mona lisa is more than fabric and paint.

Re:SO WHAT ?!? (5, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | about a year ago | (#41840157)

You are comparing apples to pears. "Mona Lisa" is a chunk of dried paint and canvas that, granted, had its part in the history of art. Being a chunk of crusty paint and canvas, however, it can be replaced; and if it were to go lost, not many humans would spill tears over it. Enterprise, on the other hand, is a work of breakthrough engineering, science, and exploration, held dear by many more humans than said chunk of crusty dried paint on canvas. Moreover, Enterprise was crafted by many indivituals in a cooperative feat of engineering not seen since Apollo, many of those engineers being unsung geniuses who went on to further humanity through their engineering, which cannot be said for Leonardo Da Vinci, now long dead and no longer contributing to humanity. Last but not least, I do believe that you are a troll.

*slap*

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BMO

Re:SO WHAT ?!? (3, Insightful)

vikingpower (768921) | about a year ago | (#41840199)

Hm. You quite craftily inverted my argument, to show that what is true for Mona Lisa may also be true for Enterprise. I'll grant you that point. Insulting me, OTOH, is not a major contribution to this discussion. I, last but not least, do certainly NOT believe that you are a troll, which belief may be unjustified. I do believe, however, that this discussion merits to be deepened, whatever you may be. I suppose this proves beyond reasonable doubt I am not a troll. Can you prove you are not one ?*

Re:SO WHAT ?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840243)

Taunting him and saying this fail of a thread needs to continue does little more than prove you a troll.

You made a crass statment based on your own opinion, have been shown the falacy of your logic, accept that most of us feel differently and keep quite.

Re:SO WHAT ?!? (1, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | about a year ago | (#41840277)

Can you prove you are not one ?*

Can you prove that you did not make a post just to be a contrarian jerk?

Seriously.

The Enterprise is on topic for this page. Damage to the Enterprise *is* news for nerds. The Mona Lisa is not unless an article is discussing the chemical composition of the paints that is scientifically interesting. The burned out neighborhood of Breezy Point is not. Your first post should be modded into oblivion as flamebait/troll if not your second one.

And calling you out as a troll is not an insult if you've behaved as one. Which you did.

Posting with no karma bonus because meta-discussion is also off-topic.

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BMO

Re:SO WHAT ?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41841211)

No worries...the french will let the Mona Lisa get stollen again soon enough. It was mostly the art crowd crying the first three times. I think it was three times right?

Re:SO WHAT ?!? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840221)

So by your thinking it was worthwhile that all those years ago someone thought to save the Mona Lisa so that people could enjoy it today... but it's not worthwhile to save Enterprise today because you don't care... right?

You've demonstrated nothing aside from your arrogance.

Re:SO WHAT ?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840469)

Enterprise is a huge part of the history of human science an exploration. Damage to it is news. I bet you'd complain that it was a slow news day if a major storm blew through Paris and water damaged the Mona Lisa too, eh?

Enterprise is nothing more than a footnote. It is a Space Shuttle in name only. It was never launched and only did a couple of gliding landings. In fact, its design as a prototype significantly differs from the other orbiters to such a degree than when Columbia blew up, the replacement orbiter Endeavour was built out of spare parts instead. The main mission of the Enterprise was to visit foreign countries and to sit in the Smithsonian Museum.

Re:SO WHAT ?!? (1)

anavictoriasaavedra (1968822) | about a year ago | (#41840391)

Actually the article is interesting to those who work in the AEC industry. It's a classic example of what goes wrong when you don't account for EVERY variable and prepare contingency plans for events. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xox9BVSu7Ok [youtube.com]

Memorial to Hurricane Sandy (1)

hoboroadie (1726896) | about a year ago | (#41842007)

The variable in question being the widely known (but little mentioned) fact that New York would get a devastating Hurricane at some time in the future.
Still true.

Damage Report (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41839891)

Scotty, I need warp speed in three minutes, or we're all dead.

Oh my... (4, Funny)

cffrost (885375) | about a year ago | (#41839903)

After this, I bet she'll never fly again. ;o(

Re:Oh my... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840101)

"Ain't gonna fly now, he's just takin' up space. Sold his gloves, threw his eggs down the draaaaaaaaaaain."

Kahn (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840267)

Too bad they don't name hurricanes after men - like Kahn.

Headline: "Kahn damages Enterprise. Caretaker is quoted as screaming, 'Kaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhnnnn!'"

Re:Kahn (2)

bmo (77928) | about a year ago | (#41840347)

>Too bad they don't name hurricanes after men - like Kahn.

What?

Hurricanes have had names from both sexes by the National Weather Service since 1978. Only between 1953 and 1978 were female names the only names given to hurricanes.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutnames_history.shtml [noaa.gov]

--
BMO

You must get really tired of all those people (3, Funny)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about a year ago | (#41840593)

You must get really tired of all those people going "wooosh" at you. Wooosh, WOOOSH!

Enterprise Kahn.

Google it, then hit ebay to see if you can score a sense of humor. British made ones are the best. Even if they put such a drain on your system that your taste buds and sex drive will decline. But at least you will get a geek joke on a geek site.

Re:You must get really tired of all those people (2)

bmo (77928) | about a year ago | (#41840909)

I got the joke. The premise was just dumb, because the only way it'd be funny is if the policy of pre-78 was continued

You want to see something funny?

Go here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqJmP7PcaUw [youtube.com]

--
BMO

Re:You must get really tired of all those people (2)

operagost (62405) | about a year ago | (#41843093)

I recommend spelling "Khan" correctly before you search for it.

Re:Kahn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840637)

The most devastating ones always have female names, go figure :-)

Re:Kahn (3, Insightful)

camperdave (969942) | about a year ago | (#41840779)

The most devastating ones always have female names, go figure :-)

Tell that to Isaac and Andrew.

Re:Oh my... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840423)

80's and 00's NASA officials have assured us she is safe for re-entry.

Re:Oh my... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41841261)

All this could have been avoided if only they had stored her in a protective box made out of transparent aluminum. Instead they let the roof fall on her, and now she is suffering from a case of Cling-On!

Re:Aluminum (1)

hoboroadie (1726896) | about a year ago | (#41842103)

You'd think sometime since 1942, they'd have brought thought tech to market.

Re:January 1942 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41842209)

that tech that tech

And... (1)

schwep (173358) | about a year ago | (#41839999)

that's why we can't have nice things.

Re:And... (2)

rikkards (98006) | about a year ago | (#41840193)

Seriously, the idea behind a museum is to allow people to see things but at the same time to preserve them. A carrier deck is not exactly the best place for it.

Re:And... (2)

jacknifetoaswan (2618987) | about a year ago | (#41841567)

To be fair, they're building a new facility to house her, off the deck of the carrier. I don't believe it's going to be ready until springtime, so they had assuming, based on past performance, that they'd be able to protect her from the weather within the confines of the inflatable structure. They're actually pretty strong, but even the best made bubble wasn't holding up to that storm. Hopefully they're able to repair her tail and get the final structure completed quickly.

Re:Batten down (1)

hoboroadie (1726896) | about a year ago | (#41842049)

A couple extra guy wires might have helped.

Re:And... (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about a year ago | (#41841585)

A carrier deck at the edge of a 2000 mile wide open ocean well known for 10-15 hurricanes every year.

I hope and pray... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41841927)

...that President Romney will confiscate OV-101 and have it shipped down to the Johnson Space Center in Houston where it really belongs.

I also hope that he issues an executive order to have CVN-80 named the new USS Enterprise [epetitions.net] since it is unthinkable for the US Navy to not have a capital ship named Enterprise after CVN-65 is decommissioned.

Re:And... (1)

khallow (566160) | about a year ago | (#41842355)

A carrier deck is not exactly the best place for it.

But it really doesn't get much better than that on Earth.

SO what!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840001)

THey would have been better off leaving them at one of NASA'a hangers, really any abandoned hanger, and opening it up as a touring center, they could have made money off of it, however I am sure they still are making money off of the Shuttles from the museums in which they now reside. The amount of money and time, not to mention the destruction they caused to ship the shuttles. The things that I would want to see from the Shuttles have been removed, as if other countries have not already figured out how to build/use the equipment.

Re:SO what!!! (5, Insightful)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year ago | (#41840191)

It costs $24 _per person_ just to get in to the Intrepid Museum. I do not know if they charge a rider for the shuttle tour.

Keep in mind, every single museum exhibit at this place was paid for with money borrowed on behalf of the taxpayer. Now the taxpayer is paying again for the privilege of laying eyes on what what built using loans their great grandchildren never consented to, but nonetheless will be paying back under threat of force.

Re:SO what!!! (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#41840959)

I would imagine that the $24/head is to pay for the museum and staff, not to cover the cost of the exhibits. Not a big difference if the items were donated, came from the taxpayer or stolen from other civilizations.

Re:SO what!!! (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about a year ago | (#41841869)

Or to cover the rent/mortgage in downtown Manhattan.

Re:SO what!!! (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#41842075)

That would be part of the costs I mentioned.

Re:SO what!!! (1)

jacknifetoaswan (2618987) | about a year ago | (#41841615)

It costs a tremendous amount of money to keep the exhibits up. When the USS Missouri was dry docked for painting and repairs a couple years ago, it cost more than $18m. These museums rarely receive money from the government for upkeep, unless it's part of the Smithsonian (it's free to visit Discovery) so they're forced to charge something for maintenance and developing the tours. I was happy to pay to visit the Missouri, the North Carolina, and the Yorktown so that these monuments to American ingenuity and the free world are preserved for another generation to see.

Re:SO what!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41841851)

There is an extra charge for the Shuttle, also for the Concorde. And they are worth every penny.

Overall, the Intrepid was the poor cousin to most of the museums of NYC, as it was deemed politically incorrect for its first couple of decades of operations, after all, the liberal elite of Manhattan, who write most of the huge checks that keep The Met and Moma etc. afloat, were not very fond of a museum that 'glorified war'.

After a little incident in 2001 the mindset of NYC's cultural elites changed, and suddenly things like 'valor' became fashionable, and funding for the Intrepid started to arrive from various philanthropic organisations and deep pocketed individuals, thus funding upgraded facilities, new exhibits, and a rather spiffy look.

Sorry to hear the 'bubble building' came down, but it was a pretty nasty storm. Also a few planes shifted on the flight deck, and the old girl did rock about a bit in the extremely high tide. Considering the severity of the weather, damage to the museum and its exhibits could have been much worse.

Re:SO what!!! (1)

khallow (566160) | about a year ago | (#41842159)

Keep in mind, every single museum exhibit at this place was paid for with money borrowed on behalf of the taxpayer. Now the taxpayer is paying again for the privilege of laying eyes on what what built using loans their great grandchildren never consented to, but nonetheless will be paying back under threat of force.

Sounds reasonable then to charge for services offered. Unless, of course, you think we should pay for this as well with the same flawed tricks.

Re:SO what!!! (1)

geoffball (1195685) | about a year ago | (#41842885)

New York can have our sloppy seconds. Come see Discovery in Virginia. Admission is free...well parking is $15 or $20, or you can get someone to drop you off. She actually went into LEO and has the skid, I mean, burn marks to prove it.

Of all the places that got a shuttle, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840117)

New York was the least deserving. I'm not knocking New York itself, but the one at the Smithsonian isn't all that far away and they don't have a Space Center there.

The only reason New York has a shuttle is it was the shuttle that was left after all the deserving blue states got one. Johnson deserved to get the Enterprise at the least, one of the others by any real world measurement of the situation. Texas is a red state, and granted Houston is more likely to get a hurricane than New York most of the time, but the partisan politics of the Enterprise sitting there at all is sickening. I don't care what your political leanings are, the obvious partisanship in the decision is as wrong as Google's current single sided issue promotion on their resources.

Re:Of all the places that got a shuttle, (4, Informative)

ShadowBlasko (597519) | about a year ago | (#41840137)

New York was the least deserving. I'm not knocking New York itself, but the one at the Smithsonian isn't all that far away and they don't have a Space Center there.

The only reason New York has a shuttle is it was the shuttle that was left after all the deserving blue states got one. Johnson deserved to get the Enterprise at the least, one of the others by any real world measurement of the situation. Texas is a red state, and granted Houston is more likely to get a hurricane than New York most of the time, but the partisan politics of the Enterprise sitting there at all is sickening. I don't care what your political leanings are, the obvious partisanship in the decision is as wrong as Google's current single sided issue promotion on their resources.

You misspelled Dayton, where they know how to take care of historical aircraft and don't leave them out to rust in the sun, like Texas did.

Re:Of all the places that got a shuttle, (1)

need4mospd (1146215) | about a year ago | (#41841075)

This argument might hold water if the other Saturn V rockets weren't also stored "out to rust in the sun" for decades before they were sheltered.

Re:Of all the places that got a shuttle, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41841985)

Did you mention how many outside Redstones have been lost in Florida as well? You're right, Houston just got more news coverage than the other guys.

Re:Of all the places that got a shuttle, (2)

pr0t0 (216378) | about a year ago | (#41841325)

You mean like these?
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=National+Museum+of+the+United+States+Air+Force,+Spaatz+Street,+Dayton,+OH&hl=en&ll=39.783951,-84.108362&spn=0.005684,0.008256&sll=40.365277,-82.669252&sspn=8.15936,16.907959&oq=dayton+air+force+muse&t=h&hq=National+Museum+of+the+United+States+Air+Force,+Spaatz+Street,+Dayton,+OH&radius=15000&z=18 [google.com]

I do have to agree though. Dayton would have been a much better place to store the shuttle than on the deck of an aircraft carrier in an inflatable hangar. It just makes so much more sense to put one in the National Museum of the USAF. It may not be the reality, but it definitely smacks of political favoritism.

Re:Of all the places that got a shuttle, (1)

ShadowBlasko (597519) | about a year ago | (#41843087)

If I am not mistaken, those are either the new acquisitions that have not been restored/brought in yet, or they are the planes that were recently brought back from loaner collections, which are also meticulously cleaned and checked upon return. Dayton is seriously anal about keeping their collection in excellent condition, to the point of suing other galleries who have not met the standards that they require. (such as the Memphis Belle)

Re:Of all the places that got a shuttle, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41842597)

You misspelled Dayton, where they know how to take care of historical aircraft and don't leave them out to rust in the sun, like Texas did.

And would be a much easier location for those of us living in "fly over" America to actually visit without taking out a second mortgage.

also where the Wright brothers did most of their work.

Re:Of all the places that got a shuttle, (0, Troll)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year ago | (#41840165)

I couldn't agree more. Western and Southern states are seriously underrepresented when it comes to things like this. It's always the wealthy blue states that get treats like retired shuttles and the best museums. ... and we wonder why education in red states is so lacking in comparison. They never get educational resources like this to inspire learning.

Re:Of all the places that got a shuttle, (4, Insightful)

agentgonzo (1026204) | about a year ago | (#41840217)

And stuff like this is why I'm bored with Americans and their petty squabbles. You have absolutely amazing feats of engineering with which you have accomplished utterly awe-inspiring things, yet you chose to spend most of your time squabbling over whether one group of millions of people should be coloured red or blue based on whether a slim majority voted for PersonA or PersonB in a hugely over-inflated popularity contest and the benefits that come with this apparent colouring.

I'm sure you'll have some clever rebuttal, but I'll say it right here: I won't be bothered to read them.

Re:Of all the places that got a shuttle, (0)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#41840293)

other than north korea, which country is different?

Re:Of all the places that got a shuttle, (2)

xaxa (988988) | about a year ago | (#41840571)

If you have a system of proportional representation, rather than "New York is a blue state, because the result was 63% voted blue and 36% voted red, so we have one blue guy who gets 31 votes", it'd be "New York is a mostly-blue state, represented by two blue guys with 21 votes and a red one with 12 votes, plus [an independent?] with 1 vote". (The independent only gets in if they have enough votes, not simply as the left-over.)

(There are many variations on how this is implemented, I just made one up without knowing much about how the US runs its government.)

Re:Of all the places that got a shuttle, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41842707)

(There are many variations on how this is implemented, I just made one up without knowing much about how the US runs its government.)

That's okay, most US citizens really have no idea how the US runs its gov't either.

proportional representation make an awful lot of sense, which is why it will never happen in the USA. Those who manage to hold power in the two-party winner take all system not to mention the corporate interests that benefit from it will not allow that in the "land of the free." So we get stuck with the extremists that the party faithful vote for in their closed primaries. Moderates and Independents get stuck with the lesser of two evils.

screw that, I am writing-in cthulhu.

Re:Of all the places that got a shuttle, (2)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year ago | (#41840301)

I don't know why you assumed I would have some clever rebuttal. You bring up a good point. Government policy is dictated by a slim popular majority in most cases, and that's a huge problem we have - it's really "tyranny of the middle," since the "independent" swing voters are really who decide our elections.

The point I was agreeing with was that there are some places that, solely due to their political and financial clout, get preferential treatment from government in the placement of educational and enrichment resources. The red states also happen to be the poor states, and without millions of dollars to throw at politicians, they will always simply be kicked to the curb when politicians are handing out perks like decommissioned shuttles.

I don't know why you would automatically go off and assume I'm trying to participate in some petty squabble, or why you would give some random stranger on the Internet who was trying to have a conversation about something such a poor attitude.

I agree! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840381)

I agree with everything you've said! This childish bickering is so stupid!

We should be like the countries in the Balkans, Africa and Middle East where they fucking kill each other over really important things like religion or the fact that the 'others' don't practice the same religion the "right" way.

Or fucking killing them because they belong to another tribe.

Yes siree, we Americans are lazy and we lost our edge and now other parts of the World are doing it better than us!

Re:I agree! (2, Insightful)

realityimpaired (1668397) | about a year ago | (#41840957)

I take it you're not black, gay, or a woman. People do still get killed in the US for being "other", but most people who aren't "other" don't tend to notice that it's still happening.

Re:I agree! (1)

khallow (566160) | about a year ago | (#41841915)

I take it you're not black, gay, or a woman. People do still get killed in the US for being "other", but most people who aren't "other" don't tend to notice that it's still happening.

Or white and male. I think the disturbing paradox of this situation in the US is the considerable discrimination by the people supposedly aware of and fixing the problem.

Re:Of all the places that got a shuttle, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840429)

> I'm sure you'll have some clever rebuttal, but I'll say it right here: I won't be bothered to read them.

I wish I could have said the same thing about this comment. Less than useless.

Re:Of all the places that got a shuttle, (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#41840557)

You won't be bothered to read the responses because you're an asshole.

We Americans spend our time squabbling over who is best on dancing with the stars and shit like that. Politics is just a diversion.

Re:Of all the places that got a shuttle, (1)

khallow (566160) | about a year ago | (#41842065)

Petty squabbles are boring to everyone except the participants? Who knew?

As to the red/blue thing, it's pretty much the divide between rural and urban populations. And almost everyone has some sort of rural and urban population with the same sort of division.

Can you not think of any other reason? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840419)

"we wonder why education in red states is so lacking in comparison"

No we don't. Republicans are ideologically against public funding, that includes education. The red states do badly because they're starved of money except for a few private schools that are very well funded. If only brains and money coincided it would be fine, but sadly some times the smart people who would benefit most from education are the ones who can't afford private schools.

Plus it doesn't help when Republicans on the science committee spout religious mumbo jumbo like this:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-paul-broun-evolution-hell-20121007,0,4628858.story

"Evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are major underpinnings of mainstream science. And Georgia Republican Rep. Paul Broun, a physician who sits on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, says they are “lies straight from the pit of hell.”

So it's no 'surprising' it's the inevitable consequence of a free market.

Re:Can you not think of any other reason? (1)

MickLinux (579158) | about a year ago | (#41841777)

Actually, the underpinnings of science are supposed to be mathematics, the repeatable experiment, and aristotolian loogic, as modified by Euler.

To try to repin science to the big bang theory, embryology, and whatnot, sounds more like ...

Re:Of all the places that got a shuttle, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840581)

You are confused about the situation.
Having lived in the south for more than 20 years, I have observed that education is wasted on Southerners.
They don't want it. They want to remain ignorant. and they become violent against anyone who is educated.

Take the recent data breach (3+ million records). Somehow, it was too difficult and costly to encrypt social security numbers, even though they were encrypting credit card numbers. Either this is a bold faced lie, or the code is somehow written so that the encryption is not a function that takes a parameter. Either way the people in charge were stupid. But no one is calling them out on their stupidity. In the news papers here it is all about the evil hackers.

Re:Of all the places that got a shuttle, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41841045)

Your fundies would have only claimed it was made by Satan and burned it

Re:Of all the places that got a shuttle, (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41841497)

The answer is population density. Wonder no more! More people get to benefit from things that exist in high population density areas. Sorry, but if this was out in BFE Mississippi it wouldn't be as useful.

Re:Of all the places that got a shuttle (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840607)

Yet another reason why Dayton deserved one.

The Intrepid Museum was a bad choice. Those assholes can't manage the exhibits at all.

One of the shuttles belongs at the National Museum of the United States Air Force, at Wright-Patterson AFB, in Dayton, Ohio. As someone else stated on /. - they know how to take care of aircraft there. They have a proven track record, unlike those motherfuckers in NY.

Yes, I am passionate about this. I lived in Dayton, and will say that the NMUSAF is one of the finest aviation museums in the world.

And, yes, it is free to everyone. Open nearly every day of the year.

http://www.airforcemuseum.com/

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Museum_of_the_United_States_Air_Force

NYC is number 1 in tourism (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840851)

New York was the least deserving

New York City is the biggest tourist destination in the United States. That makes New York a deserving place to put a retired Space Shuttle. New York City has many museums. DC is number 4, so the Smithsonian would be a natural fit.

Re:Of all the places that got a shuttle, (2)

MickLinux (579158) | about a year ago | (#41841669)

Fwiw, the military has a program by which you, too, can have a free fighter jet, x-plane, battleship, tank, or whatnot. However, you do have to pay for its installation, and you do have to agree to pay for its upkeep as a museum piece, in respectable condition. I suspect that the Enterprise was given to NYC under those same terms, and--yes--they have already violated them, though their efforts were probvbly best spent saving lives.

I don't think there is any favoritism; rather, if there is a difference between red states and blue states, it is in what the city management is willing to pay for.

Norfolk wanted a battleship: they got the Wisconsin. NYC wvnted a carrier and a space shuttle test vehicle. They all will be decomissioned; they all will hvve the interesting stuff removed.

Re:Of all the places that got a shuttle, (2)

ces (119879) | about a year ago | (#41842621)

Actually of the museums that were finalists for getting a shuttle but didn't get one the Museum of Flight in Seattle had the best curation plan and the best financial plan. They had an indoor climate controlled gallery next to an airfield that was "Shuttle ready". They actually scored better than the Intrepid did and NASA admits it screwed up the scoring (putting too much weight on metro area population).

But that is water over the seawall as they say, unless NASA decides to take Enterprise back NY will get to keep her.

duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840131)

Storm was never to be expected.

As was the flooding and the other damage.

Americans appear SO CARELESS....

Re:duh (1)

Barryke (772876) | about a year ago | (#41840317)

I have heard it said the USA has historically had a policy/mindset that rather escalates and rebuilds, instead of prevent disaster.
There just might be some truth in it.

I don't know if USA construction costs differ much - but i'd rather build my house out of concrete and stone, make sure it can deal with the sea level, and choose representatives/governors/mayors/politicians that protect me from disaster. (besides creating and maximizing opportunities that likely benefit me)

Dutch companie have proposed solutions (1)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about a year ago | (#41840627)

The Dutch are perfectly willing to help the US build solutions. They were willing before Katrina and Sandy and they are willing after. After Katrina, the dutch saved New Orleans from further disaster, will New York be the same?

And if you think the US is stupid for waiting until AFTER a disaster to do something, http://www.deltawerken.com/89 [deltawerken.com]

The Delta Works weren't started until AFTER the flood.

Humans are lazy.

Man, who designed that thing? (4, Funny)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year ago | (#41840313)

A piece of FOAM can rip through the wing, killing everyone on board and completely destroying the shuttle.

A piece of inflatable vinyl tarp can damage the vertical stab by simply falling onto it.

Damn... I'd hate to see what would happen if someone scowled at it harshly.

Re:Man, who designed that thing? (1)

tusam (1851540) | about a year ago | (#41840829)

Obviously it's not made to be hit, it's made to handle thousands of degrees of heat while travelling at Mach 25 while keeping the puny mammals inside relatively safe.
Let's see anything that can take hits from bridge pylons and storms do that.

Re:Man, who designed that thing? (1)

acoustix (123925) | about a year ago | (#41842195)

Let's see anything that can take hits from bridge pylons and storms do that.

Well technically the bridge pylon didn't hit the shuttle. The shuttle hit the bridge.

Built by the lowest bidder! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840351)

Just saying...

Status Report, Mr. Scott. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840501)

"Cap'an,she can't take much more a' this!"

Concorde (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840555)

Looks like the shuttle will get treated just like the Interpid's Concorde. Mistreated and abused.
They shouldnt have given them Enterprise unless there was already a permanent home for her.

Re:Concorde (2)

ces (119879) | about a year ago | (#41842743)

The Intrepid's reputation with curation and preservation is shameful. So many other museums like the Air Force Museum in Dayton and the Museum of Flight in Seattle do a much better job with their priceless artifacts.

Given their poor record the Intrepid should not have even been a finalist for a shuttle.

You think they'll build another one? (3)

A10Mechanic (1056868) | about a year ago | (#41840663)

Plenty of letters left in the alphabet...

And I thought (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840689)

we were finally through with stories about the space shuttle. I was tired of reading about it when it became necessary to post an update to Slashdot every time it traveled another 100m en route to its new home.

Better build another one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41840705)

If its busted, I guess they're going to have to build another. Of course they'll have to send it to space a few times, to give it that vintage look.

Space Shuttle? (2)

The Grim Reefer (1162755) | about a year ago | (#41841149)

"The now decommissioned Space Shuttle Enterprise appears to have been damaged by super storm Sandy"

Enterprise sat in the Udvar-Hazy center for almost 20 years before being sent to NYC. I don't know when it was officially decommissioned, but it has been effectively so for some time as NASA handed it over to the Smithsonian in 1985.

Enterprise was never a space shuttle. It was a glider/test platform that was going to be refitted to be a space shuttle. But that was more expensive than building Endeavour. Enterprise never had engines, and it was covered in fiberglass, not thermal tiles. In the end it was cheaper to build Endeavour from spare parts.

Re:Space Shuttle? (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | about a year ago | (#41842751)

Enterprise was never a space shuttle. It was a glider/test platform that was going to be refitted to be a space shuttle. But that was more expensive than building Endeavour. Enterprise never had engines, and it was covered in fiberglass, not thermal tiles. In the end it was cheaper to build Endeavour from spare parts.

Nit, because refitting Enterprise proved more expensive* than planned, STA-099 was refitted instead and became OV-99 Challenger. Endeavour was assembled from structural spares to replace Challenger after she was lost.
 
* Reportedly the lack of engines and tiles wasn't the headache - it was the lack of a crew compartment and the structures needed to support it. Essentially, everything forward of the cargo bay bulkhead would have had to been replaced.

"now decommissioned"? (1)

Brucelet (1857158) | about a year ago | (#41841301)

Yes she just moved to a new home, but Enterprise has been a museum piece for over 25 years.

Awesome job.... (1)

Jintsui (2759005) | about a year ago | (#41841545)

Not like anyone should have taken down such a wind prone structure.. Idiots!!!

Kids! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41841719)

Never loan your space shuttle to New York. They don't take care of their toys.

Good! (1)

acoustix (123925) | about a year ago | (#41842157)

NYC didn't deserve to have a shuttle in the first place. The Enterprise should have gone to Houston.

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