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Russia's Internet Blacklist Law Takes Effect

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the age-limits-don'tcha-know dept.

Censorship 119

another random user writes with this report from the BBC "A law that aims to protect children from harmful internet content by allowing the government to take sites offline has taken effect in Russia. The authorities are now able to blacklist and force offline certain websites without a trial. The law was approved by both houses of parliament and signed by President Vladimir Putin in July. If the websites themselves cannot be shut down, internet service providers (ISPs) and web hosting companies can be forced to block access to the offending material."

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119 comments

Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41842371)

I'd have so much more respect for governments if they'd just come out and say "we're doing it because fuck you people who think different."

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (2, Insightful)

Dan East (318230) | about a year and a half ago | (#41842647)

Russia has the 4th highest alcohol consumption per capita in the world (behind Moldova, Czech Republic and Hungary - all former Soviet republics), with no laws specifying a minimum drinking age (minimum age to purchase is 18). Why not think of those children first if they're hell bent on making laws protecting children?

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41842847)

Only Moldova was a former Soviet Republic. (The others were indeed Warsaw Pact countries, though).

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (3, Informative)

war4peace (1628283) | about a year and a half ago | (#41844271)

Wow, your history knowledge is unbelievably messed up.
Moldova is indeed a former Soviet Union Republic. Others are not.
Also, minimum legal age to drink alcoholic beverages is usually 18. That applies to both purchase AND drinking itself. But, to be honest, even if laws do exist, they need to also be enforced, which doesn't really happen.

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (1)

Meyaht (2729603) | about a year and a half ago | (#41846995)

NOT letting kids drink in Russia would be a heinous act.

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41842697)

Well, TFA says that a poll taken in July when the law was passed, shows that the Russian people support the blacklist 62% to 16%. The Russian government seems to have the support of the people on this issue.

That's always been a danger of democracy: it's very easy for the population to vote away their freedom, but once gone, it's not so easy to get it back.

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (1)

Jeng (926980) | about a year and a half ago | (#41843109)

Well, TFA says that a poll taken in July when the law was passed, shows that the Russian people support the blacklist 62% to 16%. The Russian government seems to have the support of the people on this issue.

That's always been a danger of democracy: it's very easy for the population to vote away their freedom, but once gone, it's not so easy to get it back.

Yes, because polls are 100% accurate and never falsified to help those who have the power for the poll results to be falsified.

Russia is going back to a dictatorial government and the Russian population can do nothing about it.

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41843217)

I suppose you have evidence that the poll mentioned in TFA was falsified?

Poll confirming my world view = truth!
Poll disagreeing with my world view = conspiracy!

Bit simplistic wouldn't you say?

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (2)

Jeng (926980) | about a year and a half ago | (#41843539)

If you read a story about a poll in China where 90% or more of the Chinese people support censorship would you believe the poll?

I find all polls suspect, some more than others.

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41843769)

Hell, that's nothing. I saw a poll where 82% of the people thought polls should be illegal! :p

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41844275)

So, I guess the answer to the question about having evidence of the invalidity of the poll mentioned in the TFA is "no". Got it.

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (1)

Jeng (926980) | about a year and a half ago | (#41844443)

As is the question of any evidence of the possible validity of the poll mentioned in TFA.

You cannot say one way or the other if it is or is not valid, that is one of the biggest problems with polls.

There are Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.

Polls are Statistics.

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41846847)

If you have proof that polls are regularly falsified in Russia, I would eagerly like to review your data. Otherwise, no proof to the contrary, why shouldn't we believe what the TFA reports? It really does seem you wish to dismiss any poll results that disagrees with your worldview as part of conspiracy. That is paranoid delusional thinking.

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (1)

Jeng (926980) | about a year and a half ago | (#41846911)

In that case put forth proof that it is valid.

Right now it is my word against your and you are nothing but an Anonymous Coward.

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41848977)

You've made a positive claim that Russian polls are fixed which generally means the burden of proof is on you to prove your assertion. That's logic 101, my dear.

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (1)

Jeng (926980) | about a year and a half ago | (#41849303)

Actually it was more so that polls are almost exclusively bullshit was the claim. You are the one that made it out to be Russian polls in particular

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (1)

Jeng (926980) | about a year and a half ago | (#41849383)

Fine, I googled it, lots of hits, take your pick.

russian falsified polls.

I found this one rather entertaining.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2J-7OFxxgA [youtube.com]

If even the elections are rigged, are you going to believe a random poll in the media?

China likes censorship, no really. (1)

TiggertheMad (556308) | about a year and a half ago | (#41846601)

I agree with you about the validity of such a survey, especially if it is being administered by a government stooge packing an AK-74 over his shoulder as he give it. BUT.....

Strangely enough, there might be some truth to such a result. I have spoken with Chinese nationals who say things like, 'Democracy and freedom is great, but it would never work over here.' I wonder if this is something in the character of Chinese people, or just a selfish, 'Of course censorship is good...for other people.' because they haven't been on the receiving end of censorship.

Of course, the few people I have encountered don't come close to being a large enough group to be statistically representative of anything.

Re:China likes censorship, no really. (1)

Jeng (926980) | about a year and a half ago | (#41846869)

Now although there is are some poll numbers in this article, I'm linking this article for it's other content.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/01/us-russia-putin-idUSBRE8A01HA20121101 [reuters.com]

And yes, many Chinese believe that the censorship is good for them, or at least that is what they say, I though have never heard a Russian say the same.

Re:China likes censorship, no really. (1)

Capsaicin (412918) | about a year and a half ago | (#41849255)

And yes, many Chinese believe that the censorship is good for them.

My guess is that not a few Americans would similarly object to child porn being openly displayed for sale in the supermarket. I'm not sure that there is a people where the majority does not believe that at least some level of censorship is good for them (even if they may not recognise it as such).

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (1)

nickol (208154) | about a year and a half ago | (#41844427)

What do you mean by "going back" ? We are already there.

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#41843613)

And how many responded in those polls? Was there ANY oversight to them at all, or was it just as useless as a phone poll here in the USA? After all I'm sure I can find 40 people that would say I should have the official title of "King God Of The Mountain" but that don't mean "the people" are behind that, it just means I found 40 bums and handed them a bottle of booze.

Never forget how easy it is to manipulate people with "polls" as we saw here in the USA in the lead up to Iraq. In fact I gave one of those phone pollers hell for using such leading questions they may have well just come out and said "Are you for murdering babies, or saving them by invading Iraq?" because the questions were SO leading it would make anyone who didn't go along sound like a monster.

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41846871)

You seems to think that asking questions about the validity of a poll is the same thing as offering proof of a conspiracy to fix it. If you actually have some proof, I would like to review it.

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (2)

poetmatt (793785) | about a year and a half ago | (#41844149)

Russia? The land known for being the absolutely worst for polls? Where polls have greater than 100% turnout?

Excuse me if I'm extremely skeptical that even a single individual voted positively for a blacklist without being under political duress or physical coercion, let alone manipulation.

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (1)

Capsaicin (412918) | about a year and a half ago | (#41849231)

Russia? The land known for being the absolutely worst for polls? Where polls have greater than 100% turnout?

Excuse me if I'm extremely skeptical that even a single individual voted positively for a blacklist without being under political duress or physical coercion, let alone manipulation.

Umm we're talking a privately conducted opinion poll. I'm extremely sceptical that private pollsters generally employ "undue political duress or physical coercion" ... except for Gallup of course.

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (5, Funny)

alexo (9335) | about a year and a half ago | (#41844395)

Well, TFA says that a poll taken in July when the law was passed, shows that the Russian people support the blacklist 62% to 16%. The Russian government seems to have the support of the people on this issue.

Of course.

The Russian people is known to be very active in their support for their government.
In fact, in the last parliamentary elections, the voter turnout was up to 146% [wordpress.com] .

You cannot argue with such numbers.

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (2)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | about a year and a half ago | (#41845229)

You do realise that the progress towards free press has been dismantled by the Kremlin in recent years. The journalists are routinely brutally killed or disappeared, and their cases not investigated. So the Kremlin puts out whatever news it likes, even bizarre stuff, and there is no-one to challenge it. Reasonable people are presented with sets of facts designed to funnel their conclusion (yes this happens in the Free World, but there are alternative news sources counter-balancing the worst of it).

So it is probably fair to say that "polls" in contemporary Russia need to viewed with a great deal of skepticism. Far more important are what the dissenting views have to say (although they are systematically being stifled by the regime).

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41846079)

International Alert/Breaking News/ WAR TELEGRAPH: Portugal is closer to dictatorship than democracy! War in Europe is inevitable and Portugal should leave the Euro.

For Vasco Lourenço (commander of the 1974 April revolution that freed Portugal from dictatorship), the continuation of this policy will generate situations absolutely degrading.

Vasco Lourenço accuses the Government of being impoverishing the country in an intentional and the service of international finance capital, which classifies as criminal. It's criminal.

In my opinion, there is not a lack of competence, because I do not want to believe that they [the government] are so stupid they do not realize that this is not achieved recovery keeping the welfare of the population, he says.

In an interview with Lusa, Captain April is convinced that the impoverishment of the country is intentional, the result of a neoliberal ideology that wants to impoverish people, cause unemployment, create a situation of scorched earth to try to plant the following again starting almost from scratch. For Vasco Lourenço, the pursuit of this policy will generate situations absolutely degrading, as the increase in suicides, emigration and destruction of the country. Therefore, do not consider them absolutely nothing patriotic. Are the service of international finance capital. In the service of our country I think not.

In the logic of destroying to grow again, the official has no doubt that the new farmers would be foreign companies, since it is already the retail selling off the country. Vasco Lourenço regrets that the Government say that exports are increasing and the big blind which is the share of exports that gold is being bought people and is then melted and exported. Captain April has no doubt that Portugal is closer to dictatorship than democracy.

When we pick up the Constitution and say, as I said Miguel Relvas here a few times, in times of crisis that the constitution is a fait-divers, a detail, when the Constitutional Court takes certain attitudes and the executive does not care when it openly advocates that whether to end the Constitutional Court because the government should be above all this are situations dictatorship, not democracy. The dictator is, in the opinion of Vasco Lourenço, the financial capital that is blinded by intensive and immediate profit and not see what is killing their own golden goose.

But it warns that there comes a slave revolt and that for this floor there will be violence. I just hope that either the security forces or the armed forces not accept being instruments of repression against the population when it revolting, probably because the dictator will try to impose their will.

Attacking journalism is no strategy to achieve democratic society. Vasco Lourenço believes that the attack the media is a strategy to achieve a non-democratic. If I want to achieve certain goals and create certain kind of society have to attack everything that hinders the achievement of these objectives. If you intend to achieve a democratic society is not a society extremely unjust, impoverished, with huge unemployment, free attack on the press, he said.

In the context of crisis the country is experiencing, Vasco Lourenço not believe layoffs, budget cuts, the sale of securities and the possibility of privatization are merely the result of austerity, justifying it with the fact that the free media to be one of major obstacles to which a company can achieve undemocratic. I see the attack that is preparing to Lusa. If we end up with the free agency of information and autonomous, as it has worked, (...) ends with almost everything , he said.

Next comes the television says Vasco Lourenço, convinced that everything is prepared so that there is tools for fighting the neoliberal. As for the possible purchase of several titles of newspapers and radio by an Angolan group, the official believes that there is the flip side of colonization. I hope that if they want [the Angolans] occupy space here and want to act, integrate and want to work in a democratic society and are not going to want to explore in a moneylender to collaborate in building society that neoliberals are trying to build here.

War in Europe is inevitable and Portugal should leave the Euro. Captain April believes that a war in Europe is inevitable, if it is to continue to shred, and defends the rapid departure of Portugal's Euro, preferably together with other countries in the same situation. Europe will shred up, there comes inevitably to war, he said, referring to the destruction of the welfare state and lack of solidarity that is taking place in Europe. Association President April 25, in an interview with Lusa, recalled that Europe has experienced the longest period of peace in its history since the Second World War, which was only possible thanks to the conquest by the citizens of the right to welfare state , protection, health, education and social security.

Using the fable of the frog that is cooked without realizing it, because you are inside a water warms gradually, Vasco Lourenço has no doubt that it is better to break than let ourselves fall into the abyss where this Government and in Europe are throwing us into. Alternatively timely and exit points planned European Union and the euro, expressing hope that there are conditions for Portugal to be able to bind to other countries in similar circumstances and try to find collective solutions. If possible it would be ideal to get out of other countries, because of the difficulties will be much greater if we are isolated. Now if there is a set of countries that are struggling to unite and consult each his exit from the euro, can be much better and gives us the opportunity to give a comeback.

Recognizing that is not easy to achieve this articulation, Vasco Lourenço is convinced that most likely other countries in a similar situation to the Portuguese will be discussing the same kind of possible outputs. We must join forces and come to the conclusion that all we have to win if we join efforts of various countries against whom is currently not occupy us militarily but financially and economically, he said.

Re:Sick of the "for the children" excuse. (1)

Hatta (162192) | about a year and a half ago | (#41847015)

"Think differently."

Another backward contry goes crazy over internet. (2)

alexmin (938677) | about a year and a half ago | (#41842397)

How come this is news to anyone?

Re:Another backward contry goes crazy over interne (5, Informative)

jameshofo (1454841) | about a year and a half ago | (#41842761)

Because its a country that has taken the steps to categorize and censor the internet to a set standard, at face value the intent is pure. But what does that mean? It means they have the power and most notably the interest to "blacklist and force offline certain websites without a trial.". So yea I'd say that's news, even if it isn't "U.S. news".

Re:Another backward contry goes crazy over interne (4, Insightful)

Jeng (926980) | about a year and a half ago | (#41843137)

Because we all hoped that Russia would stop being backwards, and here we have Russia taking backwards to a whole other level.

The Russian people had a chance at freedom, but they lost it.

Re:Another backward contry goes crazy over interne (2)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | about a year and a half ago | (#41844089)

Ah yes, this is how it starts. It's for the children, we say. We put up cameras in the street. This is for the children. We allow unwarranted searches. This is for the children. We must stop all depraved content from poisoning our children's minds. And before we realize it, we are once again ensnared in tyranny.

How long before the state's power, unchecked, begins to run amok? How long before the safety of the children becomes the safety of the state? Not long, I'd wager. Enjoy your child's safety while it lasts. Because when it ends, it will not be the internet, child predators, and thieves that you will fear. No, dear parents and concerned citizens, it is from the government -- your government. You gave up freedom, now pay the price.

I implore you, dear people, while there is still time left. Remember, remember the fifth of November.

Re:Another backward contry goes crazy over interne (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41845469)

I implore you, dear people, while there is still time left. Remember, remember the fifth of November.

And just which of Tweedle-dum, Tweedle-dee would you have us vote for?

Re:Another backward contry goes crazy over interne (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41844131)

You're talking about a nation in which 42% of Russian's believe Obama would be better for the nation vs 4% Romney, 31% didn't care, and 22% declined to answer.

The resaults of this poll tells me a few things.
1. Russians are delusional.
2. Few russians actually "get it".
3. About a 3rd are too busy drinking or are ignorant
4. Less than 1/4th live in fear of the KGB.

I'd say they're pretty much fucked. But then again, we already fucked ourselves voting Obama for the first time around. So don't feel too bad Russia, America is pretty fucked in the head too.

Freedom? WTF is that? We just want more American Idol with Vodka. Now GO AWAY!!!

Re:Another backward contry goes crazy over interne (0)

alexmin (938677) | about a year and a half ago | (#41844683)

Your mistakenly assume that russian people want freedom in the first place. 500 years of their history suggest otherwise.

Re:Another backward contry goes crazy over interne (1)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | about a year and a half ago | (#41845289)

Freedom is not their first priority for sure. However, no one wants to be a serf and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous. Look at the hundreds of thousands of people who were out in subzero temperatures until Putin's regime changed protest laws to raise absolutely repressive fines.

The Russian elite do not want freedom, and they control the media so that is what you hear. It is very clear the Russian people (particularly urbanites) do want personal and political freedom. We should support them and not repeat the repressive messages of the media-manipulating elites.

Re:Another backward contry goes crazy over interne (1)

Jeng (926980) | about a year and a half ago | (#41845435)

Just because a people have been subjugated that does not mean they want to be subjugated.

Also the length of subjugation doesn't determine if those subjugated want freedom or not.

If you were locked in prison would you want someone else saying that you don't want out because you have been there X number of years?

Re:Another backward contry goes crazy over interne (1)

Max_W (812974) | about a year and a half ago | (#41847657)

It takes time. And it works like a pendulum.

Do not forget that there was not Renaissance in Russia. Mentality and culture of large swaths of population is still medieval at best.

Just 2 - 3 decades ago it was worse that North Korea. Now it begins to resemble remotely something habitable.

Re:Another backward contry goes crazy over interne (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41844373)

How come this is news to anyone?

Because an event can be news even though similar events have happened in the past. You know, kind of how like Hurricane Sandy is news even though Katrina happened before? But don't let facts get in your way of your flailing attempts to come off as a world-weary cynic.

Coming soon to the USA (4, Interesting)

banbeans (122547) | about a year and a half ago | (#41842403)

"for the children"

Re:Coming soon to the USA (1)

Hentes (2461350) | about a year and a half ago | (#41842479)

Actually, in this case America was the first.

Re:Coming soon to the USA (1)

na1led (1030470) | about a year and a half ago | (#41842587)

"for the children"

That means everyone who is not in charge of Government, because after all, we are just children who need guidance.

Re:Coming soon to the USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41842827)

How dare you.

You depraved supporter of Pedophiles.
People like you are what's wrong with the Internet.

When will people learn? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41842405)

As long as you have the net you can't really block portions of it.

First Amendment urrr durrr (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41842421)

Welcome to America!
Oh wait...

Fuck Vladimir Putin and his commie-pedo friends (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41842423)

... Will they ban slashdot for this?

Re:Fuck Vladimir Putin and his commie-pedo friends (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41842475)

They will now!

first on the list (5, Insightful)

wbr1 (2538558) | about a year and a half ago | (#41842457)

First is any site praising pussy riot. Pussy is bad for children you know.
In Putins's Russia, government fucks pussy.

Re:first on the list (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41842559)

Only 2 types of people in this world: dicks and pussies.

Re:first on the list (1)

Jeng (926980) | about a year and a half ago | (#41843189)

Um,

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0372588/quotes [imdb.com]

Guy in Bar: See, there's three kinds of people: dicks, pussies, and assholes. Pussies think everyone can get along, and dicks just want to fuck all the time without thinking it through. But then you got your assholes, Chuck. And all the assholes want us to shit all over everything! So, pussies may get mad at dicks once in a while, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes, Chuck. And if they didn't fuck the assholes, you know what you'd get? You'd get your dick and your pussy all covered in shit!

Re:first on the list (1)

kryliss (72493) | about a year and a half ago | (#41843273)

And then there is Jamie Lee Curtis

No surprise... (1)

Jintsui (2759005) | about a year and a half ago | (#41842461)

Just a matter of time before this happens in the U.S. Its obviously too difficult for parents to regulate what their children do..

Re:No surprise... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41842771)

The US government has already done that, hell you can read all about it on the frontpage of slashdot with a story about kim dotcom and how his website was shut down by the US government 'because they felt like it'.

Re:No surprise... (1)

Jintsui (2759005) | about a year and a half ago | (#41842835)

His website was shutdown because they felt he was infringing copyrights. Only have the RIAA and MPAA to blame for that one. When the U.S starts shuttting down porn sites, then we should worry.

Re:No surprise... (3, Informative)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about a year and a half ago | (#41843707)

The US *does* shut down porn sites. Technically, all internet pornography is illegal in the US. It's just a law that no-one bothers to enforce any more. Occasionally a DA or AG will try to prove his family credentials by taking on a porn site, but it's just embarassing even when they win.

Re:No surprise... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41844655)

As are poker sites, all sorts of internet sites are forced to shut down and not allowed in the USA.

Of course most the people in the USA will never admit they beat Russia to censoring the internet.

Re:No surprise... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41845239)

Technically, all internet pornography is illegal in the US.

No it's not.

Is there a way to see the list of banned sites? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41842487)

Some news sources say that about a dozen of sites have alredy been blocked. I don't see the list on the official site. You can check the site by its DNS name or IP but this is about it.

Ic0m (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41842495)

risk looking even to them...then continues in a architecture. MyU the most. Look at number of FreeBSD of the above overly morbid and

Re:Ic0m (1)

Mike_Theory (2190120) | about a year and a half ago | (#41842583)

...What?

Re:Ic0m (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41842689)

Don't you know?

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Is this part of (4, Interesting)

bobstreo (1320787) | about a year and a half ago | (#41842525)

The UN takeover of the Internet? Or just a portent of the way things will work in the future?

Clippy says "I see you're trying to access a site that we think you shouldn't. Would you like me to report you to the authorities?"

Re:Is this part of (2)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | about a year and a half ago | (#41845373)

Russia (and others) are pushing for ITU/UN regulation of the Internet (rather than the US). It is so Russia's internet policy can be applied to the whole of the Internet (rather than having pesky off-shore sites tell the uncomfortable truth).

... and yet we still have educated Slashdotters thinking it would be good if the Internet was handed over without a fight so that UN member nations could extend their censorship laws worldwide (whether for reglious, political or ideological reasons).

Don't give the ideal of Free Speech without a fight - which means don't allow the surrendering of the Free Internet to the corrupt and biased UN without making some noise! More importantly, don't be so anti-Western that you'll apologize for the anti-democratic, fascist and theocratic regimes that want to make this happen.

Don't appease, oppose!

In the first place... (4, Insightful)

cvtan (752695) | about a year and a half ago | (#41842553)

The internet was not meant for children.
There is no second place.
What's next? Make the internet safe for babies and kittens?

London and New York (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41842943)

In London they protect peadophile policemen.
In New York, the Mayor Bloomburg "pulled" his finger out of the dijk, and Mr. Silver bought Slashdot.
The Kommie Kops have more significant duties to perform, and are not going to start criminalizing kids for sharing digital files, as they do in London and New York...

Re:In the first place... (1)

m1ndcrash (2158084) | about a year and a half ago | (#41848085)

Kittens rule the internet! **

This was inevitable (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#41842599)

The means by which the Russian government wants to do this are well... Russian: I say you do. However, this was a long time coming, there's a lot of stuff coming out of there that well is actually illegal there and in the rest of the world: hacking stuff, child porn, warez sites. I don't think they've done much towards trying to control it, and the thing with Russia is even though they pass this law now, doesn't mean they're going to enforce it with due diligence like they do here in the states. Time will tell.

Re:This was inevitable (1)

firesyde424 (1127527) | about a year and a half ago | (#41843463)

.... doesn't mean they're going to enforce it using unconstitutional methods like they do here in the states.

Fixed that for ya....

Re:This was inevitable (1)

Jeng (926980) | about a year and a half ago | (#41845135)

However, this was a long time coming, there's a lot of stuff coming out of there that well is actually illegal there and in the rest of the world: hacking stuff, child porn, warez sites

The government has no intention of going after their side businesses.

This is going to work well (2)

Zemran (3101) | about a year and a half ago | (#41842603)

They have some of the best web programmers there and a healthy disregard for the authority. I see so many holes appearing on the Berlin Firewall that it will be more of a joke than the Chinese version.

Re:This is going to work well (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41842781)

"I see so many holes appearing on the Berlin Firewall that[...]"

You do know that Berlin is in Germany, right? We're talking about Russia here.

Re:This is going to work well (3, Insightful)

21mhz (443080) | about a year and a half ago | (#41843215)

Agreed, my young friend, though the Berlin Wall was built by East Germany which was a Soviet puppet state.
A better pun would be the Tinfoil Curtain, to harken back to the Iron Curtain of old.
Even then, people were able to listen to shortwave stations from the West, despite jamming. The current attempt is bound to failure, it will cause inconvenience at worst and breed more dissent.

Re:This is going to work well (1)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | about a year and a half ago | (#41845401)

"Tinfoil Curtain" - sublime!

Re:This is going to work well (3, Insightful)

firesyde424 (1127527) | about a year and a half ago | (#41843501)

I knew the world was going down the tubes when I was working on a computer in a social studies class at the high school. The teacher was talking about the elections in Russia. At one point, a teenage girl near the front raises her hand and asks: "Where is Russia? Thats like... in South America, isn't it?"

What scared me was not that the girl asked the question but that she did not get laughed out of the class by nearly as many of her classmates and she should have.

Like we give a f*ck. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41842731)

--P2P, Tunnels.

great extortion opportunity (3, Interesting)

RichMan (8097) | about a year and a half ago | (#41842805)

Anyone think the Russian system is immune to manipulation for profit?

You want your web company to succeed, you pay the man or go offline.

Re:great extortion opportunity (1)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | about a year and a half ago | (#41845443)

Well a commentator once put it something like this (in Putin's feudal system or personal patronage):
"There is not just corruption in the system, corruption *is* the system!"

Don't hand over our Internet to these turkeys, meaning, don't surrender the Net to the ITU/UN.

Well there goes another one down the drain. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41842911)

I thought Russia of all countries would have been a bit smarter than that. You know, taken a higher road to dealing with such content.

Nope. Just another moronic country trying to appeal to the crybabies who are too lazy to parent their own children.

Re:Well there goes another one down the drain. (1)

Nidi62 (1525137) | about a year and a half ago | (#41843155)

I thought Russia of all countries would have been a bit smarter than that. You know, taken a higher road to dealing with such content.

Do you know anything about Russia's history, or of Putin's? This isn't going to be used for sites hosting child porn, or scams, or hackers. This law is about stifling dissent. Putin is trying to bring Russia back to where it was in the days of the Soviet Union.

Great News.....! (0)

davcorp (465418) | about a year and a half ago | (#41842921)

I see absolutely no potential for abuse!

Re:Great News.....! (1)

FlopEJoe (784551) | about a year and a half ago | (#41843055)

Website critical of Putin or shows fraud in the government... well that's bad for children to see. We must ban it.

It's for suicide prevention too (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41843027)

You know, protesting against Putin is suicide, so qualified psychologists will keep you safe from any content that might cause you to put yourself in danger. It's for your own good.

Re:It's for suicide prevention too (1)

Jeng (926980) | about a year and a half ago | (#41846541)

Russia has had a bad suicide problem, but it is getting better.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Russia [wikipedia.org]

In 2008, suicide claimed 38,406 lives in Russia.[22] With a rate of 27.1 suicides per 100,000 people, Russia has one of the highest suicide rates in the world, although it has been steadily decreasing since it peaked at around 40 per 100,000 in the mid-late 90s,[23] including a 30% drop from 2001 to 2006. In 2007 about 22% of all suicides were committed by people aged 40â"49, and almost six times as many Russian males commit suicide than females.[24] Heavy alcohol use is a significant factor in the suicide rate, with an estimated half of all suicides a result of alcohol abuse. This is evident by the fact that Russia's suicide rate since the mid-90s has declined along-side per capita alcohol consumption, despite the economic crises since then; alcohol consumption is more of a factor than economic conditions

Let me guess - (1)

na1led (1030470) | about a year and a half ago | (#41843035)

first websites to go down are - Facebook, Myspace, and Twitter.

Re:Let me guess - (1)

21mhz (443080) | about a year and a half ago | (#41843317)

Of course, everybody knows they are paedophile hangouts. OK, Myspace has a chance to get overlooked, since nobody cares about it anymore.

Facing recent waves of protest, some Russian officials have shared a shocking revelation: much of the "inciting" commentary was published on servers hosted in the U.S.! They are live relics, looking at our world and trying to reconnect it with their bygone era.

Re:Let me guess - (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41844417)

Having a US hosting provider or the protections of the 1st amendment didn't protect the director of “Innocence of Muslims".

Re:Let me guess - (1)

21mhz (443080) | about a year and a half ago | (#41844523)

Having a US hosting provider or the protections of the 1st amendment didn't protect the director of “Innocence of Muslims".

I'd say, publishing a wacky hateful movie did not give him a license to violate the terms of his parole.

Bigger than any of those three in Russia: (1)

MAXOMENOS (9802) | about a year and a half ago | (#41844081)

LiveJournal.

Yet another piece in the domino falls (1)

GeekWithAKnife (2717871) | about a year and a half ago | (#41843297)


I for one shall watch with grim satisfaction as Vladimir Putin, the Supreme Leader engages in yet another "Because I say so" rule.

Looking forward to the return of the good old days when people were willing to risk their lives to escape the chilling embrace of mother Russia.

*plays old soviet army "hits"*

Men, you are serving Vladimir Putin. No other army in the world can make that statement, think about it...

Sawdust, Plank, Eye (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41843303)

In Putin's Russia, websites watch children.

In Novo-Soviet Russia... (0)

toriver (11308) | about a year and a half ago | (#41843459)

... you are all children of Tsar Vladimir.

COMING SOON... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41843729)

...to the UK!

Not much different from US of A (4, Insightful)

Vicarius (1093097) | about a year and a half ago | (#41844447)

How is this different from FBI shutting child pornography websites, or taking over DNS records of websites that infringe copyrights? I am not saying that what Russians are doing is right, but lets not forget that we already have the same system and laws in place over here.

As for "save the children" argument that Russians used, I believe pretty much the same argument was used to give US law enforcement power to prosecute child pornography cases. It is hard to argue that government had some other intentions, but if it Russians...then of course they have to be different and have to have an ulterior motive.

Re:Not much different from US of A (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41845395)

How is this different from FBI shutting child pornography websites, or taking over DNS records of websites that infringe copyrights?

There are warrants and court orders required for this sort of thing.

Not that it worked well regarding Megaupload, huh 'Murrika?

Re:Not much different from US of A (1)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | about a year and a half ago | (#41845547)

FBI probably needs a judge's assent somewhere, yeah? That means a judge can always go "No" to the FBI, so the FBI do have to have a reason for site takedown that will pass the reasonableness test of a judge (assuming the latter is doing their job). That is why the Big Media takedown notices for copyright infringement that bypass this process are so insidious (and why Google is fairly heroic at resisting most of the requests, eg that stupid Mohammed video; despite many other providers caving in without resistance).

In Russia there is no such oversight and law enforcement are known to be eminently corrupt and apply selective enforcement of the law (if you are Putin's pal you can break any law and you will not be investigated; if you oppose Putin something will be found on you even if you are squeaky clean, something will be invented if need be).

So if you are trying to make the Russia look less bad by comparing it to the US, just don't they are incomparable. Similarly if you are trying to make the US look bad by comparing to Russia's censorship, then that also is not a valid comparison. The US can look bad on its own (de)merits - but it is still a far far cry from the regression happening right now in Russia.

Re:Not much different from US of A (1)

lhunath (1280798) | about a year and a half ago | (#41846421)

Most Russian ISPs will be implementing DPI (Deep Packet Inspection) to block the content. We're not talking DNS anymore here, we're talking ISPs inspecting and logging everything you send over the wire unencrypted. Be careful about what you type in Google now, the russian Register is watching.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/11/russia-surveillance/all/ [wired.com]

This would have been more meaningful (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41847067)

"Think of the children" would have been more meaningful if Russia wasn't a source of child pornography.

Let me be the first to say... (1)

amightywind (691887) | about a year and a half ago | (#41848245)

In Soviet Russia the Internet blacklists you!
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