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Apple Delays Simpler and Cleaner iTunes 'to Get It Right'

timothy posted about a year ago | from the what-kinda-reason-is-that? dept.

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Hugh Pickens writes "iTunes has been criticized in the past for being slow and growing increasingly unwieldy as more and more media types have been added to what used to be simply a music player. Apple announced iTunes 11, the latest version of the program, at its iPhone 5 event in September and said the update would be released by the end of October, but Apple's deadline for the upgrade has slipped. 'The new iTunes is taking longer than expected and we wanted to take a little extra time to get it right,' Apple told technology site AllThingsD. 'We look forward to releasing this new version of iTunes with its dramatically simpler and cleaner interface and seamless integration with iCloud before the end of November.' The update is said to be the most significant upgrade to iTunes in the 11-year life of the program, which has grown from a simple music player to the most powerful retailer in the music business — and a force in the movie, television and e-books businesses — and, on Apple's PCs, the portal to its app store."

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Apple wants to get it right? (-1, Troll)

GeekWithAKnife (2717871) | about a year ago | (#41843401)

Give us the option to buy DRM free. Heck, might even increase sales.

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843421)

Music from the iTunes Music store is DRM free you cum-guzzling retard.

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843487)

Apple fanboys will always suck donkey balls anyway. Long live Android.

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843491)

Music....yes. Movies/TV shows.....no.

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (0, Redundant)

Desler (1608317) | about a year ago | (#41843615)

Because Google Play allows me to buy DRM-free movies and shows?

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (4, Insightful)

wed128 (722152) | about a year ago | (#41843655)

They should.

Also, just because google doesn't do something, doesn't mean nobody should.

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about a year ago | (#41843773)

Nobody can.

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843517)

and it has been for like what, 6 years now? sheesh.

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (5, Funny)

dyingtolive (1393037) | about a year ago | (#41843521)

He very clearly wants to purchase DRM from the Apple store with no monetary cost. How it boosts sales is anyone's guess.

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (2)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about a year ago | (#41843617)

Music you purchased that was DRMed before, the DRM was never removed. Movies and TV shows I think are still DRMed, and apps on the iDevices, I think of that as very intrusive DRM.

I have little doubt that the lingering DRM on music and movies and TV shows are apple's fault though. If I remember hearing correctly, apple in fact should be commended for forcing an end to DRM on music in the first place. I think on this issue, apple is more closely aligned with consumer interests than content's interests (and I've become pretty anti-apple). And I don't see the app store or old DRM DECREASING sales. But DRM in itunes is still an issue.

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about a year ago | (#41843643)

Er, I meant that to read "I doubt that lingering DRM... is apple's fault." Switching from a double negative statement to a positive statement, I did it halfway.

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843963)

You can remove it, but Apple wants to charge you another 50% of the original price.. which is a blatant money grab as prices before and after the DRM switch did not change by 50%.

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41844237)

Just re-download it from the cloud: presto! Instant DRM Free copies of your old files...

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (3, Informative)

RMingin (985478) | about a year ago | (#41843971)

That's only true in a small number of cases. The great majority of music can be redownloaded DRM-free via either individual track re-downloads via iTunes Plus, or by subscribing to iTunes Match for one year, and letting that match and upgrade all your tracks. I believe at this point you can simply delete and redownload your track for a DRM-free version.

I hate DRM as much as anyone, but you're the dumbass for buying DRMed goods and then being pissy when only some and not all DRM was removed from them later. Apple is willing to work toward your goal, and you're pissed because they don't deliver 100%?

For clarification, I've dropped Apple from my personal device lineup now that Google has tablets that match or beat iPad. I've been enjoying using iTunes Match to match and upgrade my old music, then uploading the up-rate media to Google Play.

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843515)

They do. And it did.

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843549)

This is up to Hollywood, not Cupertino.

And music has already been DRM-free for many years now.

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (2, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | about a year ago | (#41843603)

Give us the option to buy DRM free.

Do you live in a cave? And been in that cave since the beginning of 2009?

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year ago | (#41843661)

No. He's just moved on from the 2001 notion of multimedia that you seem to be clinging to.

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (2)

SteffenM (166724) | about a year ago | (#41844049)

No. He's just moved on from the 2001 notion of multimedia that you seem to be clinging to.

What are you referring to? Apple removed DRM from the music available on iTunes back in 2009. [apple.com]

I seriously hope you're not implying that GP thought, and encouraged the idea, that Apple still sells iTunes music with DRM.

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843925)

That explains it, normal users gave up on iTunes when it became worse than realplayer, netscape and emacs combined. Seems more like you are lost in a cave....

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843937)

Amazon mp3s. D'uh.

Who cares about iTunes on music?

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (4, Informative)

krray (605395) | about a year ago | (#41843609)

AC is correct -- music from iTunes has been DRM free for years [again]. Originally it was all MP3's -- then yes, it was DRM'd AAC files.

Today it's DRM free AAC files -- that yes, have your Apple ID embedded. So what?

Even when it was encrypted it was trivial (for a geek :) to convert them to MP3's. Originally you could use your Firewire iPod connected to decrypt the files on the fly -- then Apple blocked that. Always has been possible to use something like Audio HiJack to re-record to MP3's.

Today -- just convert to MP3 in iTunes. No issue. And I keep going back to MP3 because of legacy devices connected to stereo's that only understand MP3's [original SliMP3's :-].

What the issue? Sales are up (and my stock :)

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843677)

Thanks for proving my belief that the most anti-Apple people are also the most ignorant of Apple products.

Re:Apple wants to get it right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41844259)

Yeah, sucks you can't upload it to Piratebay without a little work, doesn't it.

Personally, I'd rather the artists get a little money, rather than the fuck-all they get from torrenters.

If you can't afford music, you got your priorities wrong.

Better upgrade (2, Insightful)

54mc (897170) | about a year ago | (#41843453)

Thanks for the warning, Apple. Now I know that I need to upgrade now, before you remove my favourite functionalities.

Re:Better upgrade (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843569)

Thanks for the warning, Apple. Now I know that I need to upgrade now, before you remove my favourite functionalities.

As much as I hate Apple, it's assholes like you that made iTunes the elephantine mess it is today. "THIS IS MY FAVOURITE NICHE FUNCTIONALITY YOU TOSSERS SO YOU BETTER KEEP IT IN OR ELSE. Why not just get rid of all those useless other features I don't use? I'm certain I won't mind. Just ignore everyone else who posted this exact same message in regards to a different feature and keep focused on ME."

Re:Better upgrade (3, Interesting)

firex726 (1188453) | about a year ago | (#41843725)

Reminds me of one major update where a new feature they were touting was a new and improved visualizer.

Really? Who sits at their computer just watches 3D rendered shapes change form? This is a selling point for the general audience? Why did you spend Dev time working on this instead of making the program more stable or streamlines; or even a USEFUL feature?

Re:Better upgrade (3, Funny)

SomePgmr (2021234) | about a year ago | (#41843843)

I wouldn't say it should be anyone's first priority, but music players have had that since we were wearing onions on our belts (as was the style at the time). Some folks must want it.

Re:Better upgrade (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843575)

Glad to see someone uses Ping.

Re:Better upgrade (3, Insightful)

dhermann (648219) | about a year ago | (#41843607)

Not trying to flame you, but to what features do you refer? The Visualizer? iTunes DJ Shuffle? Ping? I would really love it if iTunes were streamlined for PC so I could quickly plug in my iPhone and sync, not much else. I like the iStore, so please keep that? I could kind of do without 30 modal popup window clicks every time an iPod is plugged in and not recognized. Or maybe, my iPod would always be recognized, like I ran on a Mac. That would be cool.

Re:Better upgrade (2)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about a year ago | (#41843795)

I wouldnt worry about that, Im sure theyre trying to make sure it runs as well as possible on OSX while remaining as buggy as possible on Windows.

They really have a knack at that, and Im looking forward to what they managed to pull off this time.

Re:Better upgrade (3, Interesting)

JDG1980 (2438906) | about a year ago | (#41844189)

I wouldnt worry about that, Im sure theyre trying to make sure it runs as well as possible on OSX while remaining as buggy as possible on Windows.

That makes little sense from a business strategy perspective. They make most of their profits from portable devices; desktop and laptop hardware, despite its visibility, is secondary in financial terms. When they had the only decent smartphones and tablets, they could get away with having iTunes work crappy on Windows and hope to maybe guide a few users onto OSX with promises of better support. But now that Apple faces serious competition from the new generation of Android devices, this roadblock risks losing market share in portables for no good reason. I think they're serious about fixing iTunes on Windows this time.

Like the podcast app? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843479)

I welcomed the podcast app until I had to use it.... It came out with too many fingers and a flipper. What a POS.

Re:Like the podcast app? (1)

jongalbreath (1621157) | about a year ago | (#41843653)

Agreed! It's a total piece of shit. Unlike when Music played everything, the device seems to forget that I was listening to a podcast and will start some random song instead, or I'll hang up the phone and a podcast I wasn't listening to before the call will start playing. Nice Apple. Good job on that fancy reel-to-reel animation though...

Re:Like the podcast app? (2)

firex726 (1188453) | about a year ago | (#41843753)

FYI, you can move the Podcasts back into the Music app.

Install and run the Podcast app.
You'll see all your Podcasts there now.
Go back to home screen, and close app in the background as well.
Uninstall it.
Reboot*
Go back to the Music app and everything should be back the way you like it.

*Some people seem to not need to reboot.

This does NOT restore the other functions like being able to update them on your device.

Re:Like the podcast app? (1)

thomasw_lrd (1203850) | about a year ago | (#41844201)

I can't get my podcasts to update on my device anyways.

Re:Like the podcast app? (1)

firex726 (1188453) | about a year ago | (#41844251)

Yea, iTunes seems to be the only real way now.
Apple really dropped the ball on this one.

Good for them (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843495)

As much as I dislike Apple, kudos to them for admitting the new iTunes isn't ready and postponing the release rather than pushing out potentially buggy and incomplete software. Too many software companies will just shove whatever they have finished out the door, whether it works or not.

(Although it is possible to err on the opposite side. See Duke Nukem Forever)

Re:Good for them (5, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year ago | (#41843581)

They could have admitted this before they started bolting on stuff. It's needed a complete overhaul for a very long time. If people weren't forced to use it, most probably wouldn't.

Re:Good for them (2, Interesting)

Tx (96709) | about a year ago | (#41843835)

"As much as I dislike Apple, kudos to them for admitting the new iTunes isn't ready and postponing the release rather than pushing out potentially buggy and incomplete software. Too many software companies will just shove whatever they have finished out the door, whether it works or not."

Like that company that pushed out iOS 6 with the Maps application that everyone was so impressed by? What were they called again?

Re:Good for them (4, Interesting)

SomePgmr (2021234) | about a year ago | (#41843909)

Like that company that pushed out iOS 6 with the Maps application that everyone was so impressed by?

Like that company that recently shoved the VP's in charge of those bungled releases out the door.

Re:Good for them (3, Insightful)

agentgonzo (1026204) | about a year ago | (#41844129)

So some guy that I've never heard of got fired for the maps mess. It still hasn't made my maps app any better.

Re:Good for them (1)

SomePgmr (2021234) | about a year ago | (#41844255)

Ok? Next time don't buy an iphone?

Point was nobody should be surprised they're trying to be a little more careful about software releases.

Re:Good for them (4, Insightful)

war4peace (1628283) | about a year ago | (#41843903)

I agree to this. Furthermore, some personal background for anyone who cares.
The main reason which has stopped me from buying an iPod (though I like them a lot) was iTunes. I am a man with very simple needs. I need my MP3 player to connect through USB and be recognized as a drive, so that I can copy over whatever I want without the need of additional software. Sure, I can accept some tiny, fast software that acts as a middle-tier between my player and my PC, but iTunes was everything BUT that. Then again, were it an opt-in software, I would have used a workaround, but so far it was required, so no thanks.
Make iTunes faster, smaller, simpler and I'll buy your nice iPods, because I like them, but right now, it's like buying a nice Ferrari with manure-filled seats.

Re:Good for them (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about a year ago | (#41844065)

You dont understand, the lack of bugs is the problem. Theyre working hard to make sure it upholds the iTunes legacy in full. What would iTunes on Windows be without bugs?

They've never gotten it right (4, Insightful)

Not-a-Neg (743469) | about a year ago | (#41843497)

Even when I had a Mac Mini and a MacBook, every upgrade to iTunes would have video playback issues until the library was deleted and re-created (backing up all your content before-hand of course). The same thing happened with the last 2 updates that were released 10.6.x and 10.7. The last 10.6.x update caused a slight drop in framerate and 10.7 caused a massive drop in frame rate on high end systems and crashed iTunes on low-end systems. It took a deleteion of the library file to get it working again. Given they're past failure to fix this issue over the last 6 years, I have no hopes of them fixing it with 11.

Re:They've never gotten it right (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843637)

Your username is "Not-a-neg", which means that you're pos? HIV pos? Makes sense, given that you are a Mac fanboy. I wonder if you stopped by for a cold one after Steve-O passed away.

No more bloatware? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843505)

Let's hope it's not just the interface that is more simplified. Let's hope the whole application is much less bloated and resource hungry!

Re:No more bloatware? (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year ago | (#41843671)

Agreed, I feel bad anytime I have to install itunes on my gaming machine, it hits it like installing another AV almost, much more when it's actually running. VLC ftw.

Re:No more bloatware? (3, Informative)

mcmonkey (96054) | about a year ago | (#41844103)

I'm hoping "simpler and cleaner" mean "less arrogant."

I have a couple podcasts I save up for when I travel. I was updating my iPod before a recent trip and noticed those podcasts weren't getting any recent episodes. Turns out iTunes stopped downloading those podcasts because I hadn't listened to them recently.

There's also the recurring issue of iTunes storing audio files where the Apple Devs want files to be stored, not where I configure iTunes to store files.

So how about a version of iTunes that will download what I decide to download, store files where I decide to store files, copy those files to my iPod, and nothing else?

I don't need some developer somewhere deciding what I should or shouldn't download or where files should be stored on my machine.

Interface? Give me cleaner code (5, Insightful)

sandytaru (1158959) | about a year ago | (#41843559)

My issue with iTunes was never the interface. It was usually pretty intuitive. My problem was the lag - the program was always clunky and slow to respond, and on my laptop would sometimes lock up completely. The stability issues didn't seem to affect my workstation, but it was still rather laggy. I don't ask for much out of my software, but a quick response from the program interface is one thing. That's why I've stuck with Winamp over the years and just manually managed my music collection.

Re:Interface? Give me cleaner code (2)

SirAstral (1349985) | about a year ago | (#41843849)

I agree. Every song I play in iTunes on a PC has at least 1 random 0.1 seconds to sometimes a whole second somewhere in the track where there is a slight stutter, pause, blip, distortion, or something. I can play music on Media Player, KMPlayer, or WinAmp using the same file and this not happening. It is small and it is subtle but it still happens.

Re:Interface? Give me cleaner code (1)

war4peace (1628283) | about a year ago | (#41843923)

That Winamp which has become increasingly bloated and laggy as well? Go AIMP2 and never look back ;)

Re:Interface? Give me cleaner code (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843929)

For windows i agree with you, but on OS X it runs great and it's nicely integrated.

Re:Interface? Give me cleaner code (3, Insightful)

milbournosphere (1273186) | about a year ago | (#41844187)

Even on OS X, iTunes was pretty laggy. Apple made major strides in usability when they gave iTunes the 64-bit treatment for the release of OS X 10.7. I'm looking forward to seeing if iTunes 11 improves on this. Metadata changes on even one album's worth of songs are still quite laggy; if they fix the performance lag regarding operations that involve altering metadata, I'll be quite happy.

Fixed that (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843563)

It is said to be the most significant upgrade to iTunes in the 11-year life of the program, which has grown from a simple music player to the most unnecessary bloated piece of sh!t in history.

Not surprised (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843583)

You should be lucky to get itunes11 in November, it takes Apple 2 weeks to update one webpage.

Sign of the times (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#41843587)

why is iTunes relevant anymore, as a music player it is awful, even as a three pane music browser its awful, as a way of interacting with Apple lecacy devices its awful. I must have used 10 different music players on the desktop [I'm using clementine] all better than itunes, and will work on linux[It didn't just work].

It should never have crossed the line into movies and apps. Googles cloud based stores do not require such arcane methods of controlling your Android devices. connecting as a Mass Storage Device.

I've been too kind itunes needs to be killed with fire. It neither works as a music player, or device management...it never did.

Re:Sign of the times (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843669)

And yet millions of average people use it just fine. Maybe your issues are PEBKAC related?

Re:Sign of the times (2, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#41843743)

And yet millions of average people use it just fine. Maybe your issues are PEBKAC related?

Apple is a niche market, dropping from 23% to 15%. You can blame me if it make you personally feel better. itunes was part of Apple lock-in, and nothing more. Given a more open; cheaper alternative; average people[sic] have chosen to use the devices that aren't locked into itunes. It was an advantage [to apple] in the old days when the iPod was king, with a monopoly [both content and device], but now users are looking closer at Apple devices, and asking why they are paying more...for less, and itunes is part of the problem.

Re:Sign of the times (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843827)

What an irrelevant comeback. Millions of users use iTunes just fine to buy and play back their music and to manage their iDevices. That you fail to be able to do so points squarely to PEBKAC.

Re:Sign of the times (4, Insightful)

Crookdotter (1297179) | about a year ago | (#41844071)

I disagree. Why does a simple ipod obfuscate all the files on it, rather than keep a simple folder/file structure that would be usable by any other mp3 player? Apple lock in. I've used itunes and it's not good. What about muti user management? Multi device management? It doesn't seem to do those very well. I see itunes as the unfortunate way of getting music onto my ipod, not the best way. MIllions of users use itunes because they have to. Blaming the end user for the failings of itunes strikes of fanboi.

Re:Sign of the times (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#41844155)

What an irrelevant comeback. Millions of users use iTunes just fine to buy and play back their music and to manage their iDevices. That you fail to be able to do so points squarely to PEBKAC.

I'm glad, you blame me a user, it shows Apple software "Doesn't Work". Here is the thing though right now Apple share are dropping for two main reasons "Poor iPhone launch" [leading to massive marketshare loss]and "Massive losses of iPod sales".

...and your defending itunes. I [and those dumping Apple shares] are seeing a poor future for Apple, and Tablet sales are not going to hold it up. [Windows 8 might]. There is a major problem if "Millions of Users"[sic] are shopping elsewhere. I personally believe that Apple need to modernise, and they need to dump all this lock-in crap because its becoming a liability not an advantage.

Personally though I use a better Music Player.

Re:Sign of the times (1)

Desler (1608317) | about a year ago | (#41843913)

but now users are looking closer at Apple devices, and asking why they are paying more...for less, and itunes is part of the problem.

So that's why Apple sold more iPhone 5s in the first weekend, 5 million, than almost any single Android phone model does over the entire life of being sold? Yeah, Apple is clearly doomed. Keep telling yourself that.

Re:Sign of the times (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843935)

The masses don't know any better. I regularly find these "average people" with literally half their browser (IE, of course) real estate taken up by toolbars. They don't really know how the toolbars got there or what they're for, and aren't really aware that they can get rid of them, much less how to do it. If they can put up with that, they can put up with iTunes, it doesn't mean it's not a steaming turdball.

Re:Sign of the times (2)

Desler (1608317) | about a year ago | (#41844001)

So average users are dumb yet can use iTunes better than the supposedly smart nerds who claim it's too hard to use? And that's an insult against the average user? LOL.

Re:Sign of the times (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41844127)

Who said they can use it better? The point is that they don't know any better, so they just accept it however bad it is, whereas the "smart nerd" knows a bad app when he sees one and therefore complains, just as he wouldn't just accept a browser crippled by useless toolbars. That's pretty clearly implied in my post, but perhaps English isn't your first language, so I won't criticize you for not getting it.

Re:Sign of the times (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41844197)

Millions of people also have their browsers slowed by multiple toolbars, doesn't mean that's the way to do things.

Re:Sign of the times (2, Interesting)

geek (5680) | about a year ago | (#41843739)

It neither works as a music player, or device management...it never did.

Strange, I work with dozens of people that use it for those purposes every day. Melodramatic much?

iTunes does just fine, sorry your hardware and OS are old and outdated and things lag but on my Macbook Air iTunes runs just as fast as any other app on my machine. Granted, Ping was stupid but its gone now. As to the rest of your rant, whatever. Millions of people use it successfully every single day, purchasing billions of songs and movies every year. The evidence is very much against you.

Re:Sign of the times (0)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#41843869)

It neither works as a music player, or device management...it never did.

Strange, I work with dozens of people that use it for those purposes every day. Melodramatic much?

iTunes does just fine, sorry your hardware and OS are old and outdated and things lag but on my Macbook Air iTunes runs just as fast as any other app on my machine. Granted, Ping was stupid but its gone now. As to the rest of your rant, whatever. Millions of people use it successfully every single day, purchasing billions of songs and movies every year. The evidence is very much against you.

No my OS is days old :) I use Linux. I'm sorry you spent do much on you hardware. As for evidence...I'm glad you mention that. Did you notice that Android hit 25 Billion Apps downloads before Apple. Did you notice Apple crying then they got caught pants down for forming a illegal cartel, because Amazon are better at selling books. Apple has there day, but Amazon/Google have stores now. Apples market share dropped from 23% to 15%. ...but ignoring your love for Apple...there are simply better music players out there.

Re:Sign of the times (1)

Desler (1608317) | about a year ago | (#41843967)

What do Android app downloads or the issues over e-book pricing have to do with iTunes music sales? Non-sequitur much?

Re:Sign of the times (-1, Flamebait)

geek (5680) | about a year ago | (#41844057)

No my OS is days old :) I use Linux. I'm sorry you spent do much on you hardware. As for evidence...I'm glad you mention that. Did you notice that Android hit 25 Billion Apps downloads before Apple. Did you notice Apple crying then they got caught pants down for forming a illegal cartel, because Amazon are better at selling books. Apple has there day, but Amazon/Google have stores now. Apples market share dropped from 23% to 15%. ...but ignoring your love for Apple...there are simply better music players out there.

You're a whiny one aren't you? Spent too much on my hardware? I spent 1k on an ultrabook. How is that too much? Have you not seen the prices? Apple is not only competitive on this front, they are the leaders.

Marketshare dropped 23 to 15%? You'll need to provide evidence to that instead of just running your mouth off like you have been. Additionally, I have no love for apple. I rather like my MacBook Air, too bad you're stuck in your pitty party with sub par hardware and craptastic software. I bet you're one of those "Year of linux on the desktop!" trolls aren't you? With an attitude like yours I can see why you can't afford a decent computer, no one will hire you.

Re:Sign of the times (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#41844273)

>

Marketshare dropped 23 to 15%? You'll need to provide evidence to that instead of just running your mouth off like you have been.

Using IDC data
http://www.fonearena.com/blog/56749/idc-samsung-apple-top-smartphone-vendors-in-q3-2012-nokia-not-in-top-5.html [fonearena.com]

1Q12 23.1%
2Q12 16.7%
3Q12 15%

Burn

Re:Sign of the times (0)

war4peace (1628283) | about a year ago | (#41843965)

Millions of people wash once every two weeks or less.
Millions of people inject high-risk drugs in their veins.
Millions of people beat their wives or girlfriends on a daily basis.
Millions of people starve every day.

If you don't do as they do, you're a freak.

TL;DR: if millions of people do a thing, it doesn't mean it's the good thing to do.

Re:Sign of the times (1)

Desler (1608317) | about a year ago | (#41844019)

But if they are able to use iTunes without problems yet the "smart" nerds can't that doesn't speak well for the supposed smarts of the berds.

Final Cut Pro X (3, Insightful)

slacka (713188) | about a year ago | (#41843619)

Apple's dug themselves into a hole in this one. They have an app that suffers from feature creep and is a resource hog. The only way to fix both issues is a complete code rewrite and interface redesign. Best case they will successful in both areas, but people will still complain that they don't like the new UI. Worse case, they just pull a "Final Cut Pro X" and still have a memory/CPU hog that does less than before. Hopefully they chose the former, and are just taking their time to polish it up.

Getting it "right" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843621)

They're having trouble adapting the Apple iTunes skin on VLC. :)

get it right (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843647)

Apple,

I don't have and don't want an iPod, so don't make me install an iPod service.
And get rid of whatever the hell Bonjour is. I don't use it, and I don't care what it is, but iTunes goes ape shit if it's gone.
And get rid of the updater service. I don't trust you to ship an update that doesn't bork my music collection. I've been burned by you guys on that too many times.

In short, get rid of anything that runs in the background. The only Apple binary I ever want to see in ProcessExplorer is iTunes.exe.

-Anonymous Coward

The real reason (4, Funny)

sootman (158191) | about a year ago | (#41843667)

Now that Forstall is gone, they're going to take a couple days to remove the stitched-leather look.

Tim Cook doesn't like to apologize (3, Insightful)

QuincyDurant (943157) | about a year ago | (#41844247)

...but he's had to do so twice in the past six months: first, for ill-advised changes in Apple's retail stores, and second, for the premature release of Maps.

Both executives whose decisions resulted in these apologies are gone.

FLAC (1)

gooner666 (2612117) | about a year ago | (#41843687)

Any hopes that they will include the obscure format that is FLAC???

Re:FLAC (1)

Malc (1751) | about a year ago | (#41844029)

Why would they do that when they already have their own lossless codec?

Re:FLAC (1)

SteffenM (166724) | about a year ago | (#41844137)

The fact that the FLAC conversion software is released under the GPL [sourceforge.net] tells me that won't happen, ever.

Slashdot = Android idiots (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843713)

Funny - the obviously and verifiably incorrect post about "Give us the option to buy DRM free. " is +1 right now, and the (valid and true) correction saying that iTunes music is DRM free gets modded -2.

Seriously, this play has become a self-pleasurefest for ignorant idiots. Too bad. It didn't used to be, but it's been a pretty steady decline for many many many years.

Re:Slashdot = Android idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41844105)

Just like party politics, it's not about being right, it's about making yourself feel good about the assumptions you have no matter how false they are.
 
I don't really see this place ever coming back from being more than a chest beating competition between neckbeards. They all are experts on every subject but from the volumes of posts they all have, none of them could possibly have a real job. Oh well...

The App Store (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843715)

The App Store is a seperate function on Mountain Lion.

winamp ftw (1)

Nyder (754090) | about a year ago | (#41843719)

I like winamp. But then i've been using it for 10+ years. don't care for it playing video files, but whatever.

Of course, I do NOT buy music online. I am not giving my money to any of the media corporations. Nor would I ever buy new music from anywhere except from an artist that is selling directly. I'd rather pirate the music and donate money to the band without dealing with the corporate arm that takes most of the money.

Translation: 100% rewrite (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843727)

Has *anyone* at Apple ever used iTunes on Windows? What do they do, punish poor coders by forcing them to work on the Windows code?

Better late than crap. (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843767)

I still use iTunes. It's my favorite way to buy music. If i can't find an album there, it's probably not available for digital distribution at all. (Once or twice amazon has had an album that iTunes has not)

I don't even like to download torrents/rapidshares/whatever of albums unless they're lossless. I've downloaded too many albums with bad encodes that sound like garbage. I'll go to ebay/amazon and get a physical CD before I download some random mp3s

It's not perfect, but I still like it. iTunes is one of the few programs Ive used that actually shave bloat with later iterations. Recently they shed the quicktime requirement (Even apple admits that quicktime is a niche product now) And now they're chucking ping and other unnecessary things.

Since iOS5, apple has moved to make the iOS devices independent of PCs. You don't need a computer to use and iOS device now, and they're changing itunes to reflect that.

Que the Church Lady (3, Funny)

john.willis1 (2759567) | about a year ago | (#41843783)

.. Could it be Skeuomorphism.. Hmmmm?

Hey aPple (1)

Ol Biscuitbarrel (1859702) | about a year ago | (#41843829)

Can't get the 2nd FA to load, slashdotted and/or Sandy-related issues? Here's a dupe - I guess - Apple Delays iTunes Update | NBC Southern California [nbclosangeles.com]

Have been a Foobar2000 stalwart for years myself. Only use iTunes for managing iPods and only want one added feature - to be able to delete an item from a playlist and have that file deleted from the iPod too. You'd think that would be no big deal. CopyTransManager stands in for iTunes and has this feature but it's very sluggish.

Couldn't get worse (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843851)

Maybe they should just release whatever they have now. It would be hard for iTunes to be any worse than it was before. Heck, iTunes could cause flame dog poop to be expelled from my computer speakers and it wouldn't be a huge step down from what they already had. I don't understand how people make themselves use such a slow, bloated, buggy mess.

Will it remain bug ridden crapware -- just with ? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843885)

How about they just make it work as advertised on Windows? For several years now (on several machines with several builds of iTunes) there has been show stopper bugs in basic functionality, like the inability to un-pause video and downloads being corrupted if you attempt to listen/view to files before they are completely downloaded.

Well back Apple minus Steve Jobs (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843887)

Ahhh... Commercials that suck, products with marginal improvements, massively broken apps, product delays, and public apologies, seem to be the norm now. I wonder how long they can ride out on the success of iphone/ipod.

not unreasonable (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41843953)

Considering it takes them 14 days to put a paragraph on a web page. Something major like this will be years in the making.
("sorry your honour, we -really- want to make sure the apology's perfect this time"?)

did anyone else...? (1)

HPHatecraft (2748003) | about a year ago | (#41843981)

Did anyone else read the headline as "Apple Delays Sniper"?

For a moment, I was like "wow. That's just so inconsiderate. How would you like it if someone needlessly kept you waiting? The mission's a go. Tell him to take the shot and we can all go home".

Now with added features (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41844063)

...Now with 8G RAM requirement and NOW even slower!

(must start with OS)

Apple's QC has slipped (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41844079)

I've had iTunes / AppleTV as the center of a whole-house media distribution system since 2008 that includes purchased and ripped TV shows, movies, and music. For the most part, it's been fine, running with few glitches over several years.

Until about a year ago.

Suddenly, the Windows-based iTunes instance needed to be restarted, sometimes as frequently as several times a day, or the AppleTVs could not find the home sharing server. Online analysis pointed to iTunes leaking open sockets/file descriptors. Months later, Apple hasn't admitted to there being a problem, and certainly hasn't released a fix.

So I attempted to export my library from Windows and import it into iTunes running on a Mac Mini. Not only was the import slow, it crashed several times, forcing me to divide the XML file into several smaller ones, importing them one at a time and ignoring the failed ones. That's right, iTunes couldn't read an XML file generated by the same version of iTunes when moving from PC->Mac. The Mac-based iTunes media server only needs to be restarted once a week now, which is a massive improvement.

A recent upgrade to the 2nd and 3rd generation AppleTVs causes them to fail to play video files that were ripped (years ago) at a constant bit-rate. These same ATVs played these same files just fine weeks or months ago.

I went with Apple because their stuff tended to "just work", and was especially wonderfully integrated. Their UI was so simple that my technophobe mother-in-law could watch her movies without assistance when she visited. I could watch movies on my TV, computer, iPod and iPhones. I could cause one device to use a remote display. I could start a movie in the next room for my kids with my phone. All wonderful.

Except it barely works anymore.

I don't have high hopes that Apple will "get iTunes right". In fact, I predict a disaster that will have me looking for another entertainment hub.

Translation: (0)

Bobfrankly1 (1043848) | about a year ago | (#41844195)

'The new iTunes is taking longer than expected and we wanted to take a little extra time to get it right'

Translation: "It's taking much longer then expected to fix our badly rushed maps debacle, and because our egos demanded the sacrifice of Forstall, our focus has been elsewhere. We need a little more time before we release the new itunes with it's new and unwanted maps feature!"

Creating MP3-CD's from M4A's fixed? (1)

dousette (562546) | about a year ago | (#41844207)

I hope they fix the bug where creating an MP3-CD to listen to in the car from an album I bought in iTunes in M4A format is a two-step process... I filed a report a couple years ago on it. It is silly that I have to convert the M4A's to MP3's first, then add only the duplicated MP3's to a playlist, burn that playlist, then delete the playlist and only the MP3 versions of the songs from my library. I've had an instance where I accidentally deleted a purchased track thinking it was an MP3 that I was cleaning up.
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