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Mandrake 8.0 Comes Out

Hemos posted more than 13 years ago | from the here-comes-the-submissions dept.

Mandriva 222

Boban Acimovic writes "New Mandrake 8.0 is finally out. Official announcement will come today, but new ISO files are already on some of mirrors. Main improvements are kernel =2.4.3, KDE =2.1.1, GNOME 1.4, Nautilus 1.0, Evolution 0.9, XFree86 =4.0.3, RPM 4.0, improved installer with pictures and other nice stuff. Enjoy!" Thanks to Gael Duval, from Mandrake for letting me know - the main features are listed as well as the new features page. But one of the cooler parts is a new part with Mandrake-Linux that will let you donate to the Free Software project of your choice in Mandrake - that's at at Linux-Mandrake.com. Update: 04/19 12:27 PM by H :Newsforge has got a article with more mirrors as well.

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222 comments

Re:anti-aliasing (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#280485)

Try http://www.kde.org [kde.org] . Right now, most of the apps that support AA text use the QT toolkit (e.g. Konqueror).

You are so clueless (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#280486)

First, Mandrake was forked from Red Hat, but that was years ago. They build their distro on "cooker", their own development branch, not on Red Hat's latest release.
Second, the fact that their release is right after Red Hat's is purely coincidental.
Third, Mandrake supports free software projects, for example they pay the salaries of David Faure (KDE hacker), Jeff Garzig (kernel janitor) and I think they are looking at hiring a Gnome hacker.

A happy SuSE user.

Oh no (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#280487)

Yet another Mozilla syndrome. ("Yeah, I know last release sucked beyond all belief, but the latest nightly builds have changed everything, try them!")

Re:Yay! My favorite desktop flavor! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#280488)

But even a fully updated debian box doesn't have software that has been available for months. What good is an "update" if the updates are all obsolete?

Re:Mandrake 8.0RC1? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#280490)

*Very big* difference. mod_ssl and php are not working in RC1. I know, I package them ;-) Too lazy to login.

Re:What in the world is Mandrake thinking? (1)

deno (814) | more than 13 years ago | (#280491)

We are just testing to see if two big announcements in one week can bring complete internet infrastructure down. LOL! .-)

Re:Yay! My favorite desktop flavor! (1)

deno (814) | more than 13 years ago | (#280496)

Just wait untill you see our new "MandrakeSecurity", you may change your mind about the firewalling and/or "servers" part. .-)

What's changed since beta3? (1)

stephend (1735) | more than 13 years ago | (#280499)

As subject... I tried beta 3 after being happy with Mandrake 7 and 7.1, but found the installer to be very buggy. Half the time it would stop with a random error message, sometimes it would miss questions out, and I never got X working properly.

Is the release version okay? (Although I'm reluctant to change now I have Debian working okay!)

Re:When slashdotted, here are mirrors (1)

Noke (8971) | more than 13 years ago | (#280505)

Awesome, thanks!

Mandrake80-inst.iso: ETA: 77:56 6.25/645.91 MB 140.09 kB/s

Re:When slashdotted, here are mirrors (1)

Yenya (12004) | more than 13 years ago | (#280508)

The ftp.linux.cz [linux.cz] has Mandrake 8.0 as well. Feel free to slashdot my mirror, it has lots of bandwidth even with Red Hat release downloads in progress.


-Yenya
--

What about RH - Mandrake upgrades (1)

TecraMan (12354) | more than 13 years ago | (#280509)

I've used RedHat for a long time, but I'd much rather use KDE than Gnome (I don't like the style of the GUI and it has some annoying inconsistencies which KDE doesn't). I like Mandrake's approach in that they're pretty up to date (I'm using this for notebooks and desktops, so features are a lot more important than a server installation), they use RPM (which makes my life easier since it's becoming the de-facto standard, it seems) and they're very KDE friendly... I'm starting to get the feeling that it's time to move to a different distribution.

How easy is it to do an upgrade from, say, RH7 to Mandrake 8? I've yet to find conclusive evidence that it works well and I don't want to do a clean install (mostly due to laziness: Any extra time needed would be a big inhibitor).

DS

Mandrake 8.0RC1? (1)

Black Perl (12686) | more than 13 years ago | (#280511)

I just saw 8.0RC1 yesterday on the mirrors and burned the ISOs. Is there any difference between that and the final release? Since there is only a one-day difference, I can't imagine it would be much if anything.

Re:FTP sites and /. mirror ? (1)

thegrommit (13025) | more than 13 years ago | (#280512)

At least post a copy of their mirror page.

java seems not to install (1)

johnjones (14274) | more than 13 years ago | (#280513)

java also seems not to install !

I had problems with the redhat betas and this mandrake boxen is really takeing the p^&*

IBM will sort it out though dont trust Sun is what I have learnt in doing java on linux
(havent tryed the 1.3.1 tho will have a look soon)

NOT misinformation ! (1)

johnjones (14274) | more than 13 years ago | (#280514)

like I said they ship 4.0.2 and redhat ship 4.0.3

so which has the more up to date ?

work it out this was said in my first post

regards

john jones

that was the point they dont (1)

johnjones (14274) | more than 13 years ago | (#280515)

erm I know you dont provide them

theyll work without a problem NOPE

error /usr/bin/cut not found

please try and have some experance before you tell me "oh just apt /download rpm from here" you have not downloaded them with this version or you would get errors !

oh and linux 2.4.3 has massive probs with FS cruption but hey that dont matter !

regards

john jones

redhat xfree86 4.0.3 and others (1)

johnjones (14274) | more than 13 years ago | (#280516)

why has mandrake fallen behind

did they bais what they did not what redhat was doing in the betas ?

redhat seem to have newer versions of things like XFree86 and the only thing that makes mandrake good id the KDE support

also the download cypto option has gone that was in 7
so what gives ?

regards

john jones

Re:Mandrake 8.0RC1? (1)

JM (18663) | more than 13 years ago | (#280517)

Forgot to mention that they are working great in RC2 and final 8.0, of course!

Re:Mandrake faults (1)

JM (18663) | more than 13 years ago | (#280518)

Most of the tools that you mention are on *CD #2*. Apache is present, so is gdb, talk, uudecode, etc...

So if you have problems compiling stuff, that's because you only installed the 1st one, or had the desktop version sold in Wal-Mart.

And xchat is working, I use it all the time to go on IRC...

Re:Did they put back libdl.so.1? (1)

JM (18663) | more than 13 years ago | (#280519)

[root@ADVX jmdault]# rpm -qf /usr/lib/libdl.so glibc-devel-2.2.2-4mdk [root@ADVX jmdault]# cat /etc/mandrake-release Linux Mandrake release 8.0 (Traktopel) for i586 [root@ADVX jmdault]#

Did they put back libdl.so.1? (1)

Maniwaki (22812) | more than 13 years ago | (#280520)

So I can directly use my old copy of Matlab (like in Mandrake 7.1, unlike Mandrake 7.2). It was an hassle having to dig around to get it.

If not, it's one more reason to try Debian.

Re:Did they put back libdl.so.1? (1)

Maniwaki (22812) | more than 13 years ago | (#280521)

But I guess that /usr/lib/libdl.so is a sym link to /lib/libdl.so.2, not /lib/libdl.so.1, just like in Mandrake 7.2.

Re:Nautilus (1)

rinkjustice (24156) | more than 13 years ago | (#280522)

Nautilus support for Debian would be amazing. It would make locating software in debian format easier - and be even more incentive for novices to try the distribution. Unfortunately, Eazel has a tough time supporting even mdk rpms and the Mandrake system, which is in the Redhat family.

"come off crisp and play up to the cynic
clean and schooled right down to the minute"

Nautilus (1)

rinkjustice (24156) | more than 13 years ago | (#280523)

Main improvements are kernel >=2.4.2, KDE >=2.1, GNOME 1.4, Nautilus 1.0

Nautilus is a whore to manually install on Mandrake, so this is a godsend to the Mandrake update utility IMO. Does this mean Eazel [eazel.com] now fully supports the Mandrake architecture, or do users continue using Redhat rpms? I notice the Nautilus installers are still for Redhat exclusively.

"come off crisp and play up to the cynic
clean and schooled right down to the minute"

Re:Yay! My favorite desktop flavor! (1)

GruikMan (29748) | more than 13 years ago | (#280531)

Is this pretty much the way everyone feels, or are people more dedicated to a particular distribution?
I dont't know...
I use Debian for the firewalling
Debian for the servers
and Debian for the desktop

But I'm not dedicated to a particular distribution... or am I?

Hell (1)

HiH (61053) | more than 13 years ago | (#280535)

I didn't even knew that XFree 4.0.3 was out !

Why I like Mandrake (1)

Strepsil (75641) | more than 13 years ago | (#280537)

I think it's great that Mandrake is easy for non-Unix people to get into, but I like it for a slightly different reason.

I admin a bunch of SGI boxes, some NetBSD servers, a little Tru64 and a room full of RedHat machines.

When I get home, I don't want to be a sysadmin any more. I just want to click on the Unreal Tournament icon and kill some people. Mandrake lets me do that with minimal fuss. That's why I'm a fan.

More of my money is heading their way real soon.

Mandrake is out? (1)

Mike Connell (81274) | more than 13 years ago | (#280541)

A gay distribution? Whatever next darling? ;-)

Re:Yay! My favorite desktop flavor! (1)

bockman (104837) | more than 13 years ago | (#280547)

Is this pretty much the way everyone feels, or are people more dedicated to a particular distribution?

I can't believe that you are really asking that. This is the mother of all flamebaits :-).
Oh well, maybe the number of hits on slashdot is low, and a flame feast would make CmdTaco & Co more happy (I know, these are difficult times for pernguin-friendly business!).

Re:When slashdotted, here are mirrors (1)

Hlund (109789) | more than 13 years ago | (#280550)

The Swedish mirror listed above does not have the Linux-Mandrake 8.0 release iso-image...

We have a mirror with the iso's synced here at the Dalarna University in Sweden.

http://ftp.du.se/pub/mandrake/iso [ftp.du.se] or ftp://ftp.du.se/pub/mandrake/iso [ftp.du.se]

100 Mbps! Help us fill it! ;)

/MHo

Re:Spelling (OT) (1)

garethwi (118563) | more than 13 years ago | (#280556)

Don't you mean dyslexic? I'm sorry but it seemed kind of important seeing as your were on about spelling.

Re:Mandrake 8.0RC1? (1)

SirGeek (120712) | more than 13 years ago | (#280557)

You are lucky.. Mandrake hasn't worked on my system since 7.1 (FIC SD11 and Athlon 700).. The tech support (I went out and purchased 7.2) has been USELESS.. They tell me to try things that were tried earlier (and explicitly shown in the previous emails, for example they try to tell me things like don't do ATA 100 when in the previous email I tell them I don't HAVE ATA100)..

And don't call it a newbie error.. I have 12 systems at home of which only 3 are winblows.. The others are a collection of FreeBSD, RH, and Solaris machines.

I've tried 8.0 Beta 1 and 2 but they were USELESS TOO... They didn't get me much farther. (Basically something got MAJORLY hosed in their IDE support with the AMD 751 Chipset)... I'll download 8.0 but I have a feeling that it won't work EITHER... If it doesn't work, they are gone.. I'll not recomend them anymore and I'll convert my machine to RH 7.1

Re:misinformation (1)

boldra (121319) | more than 13 years ago | (#280559)

"Crypto" has been legalised in USA
You don't sound like you know what you're talking about. It is still illegal to export 128bit encryption to countries under US trade embargoes - eg Iraq, N. Korea.

Re:Why I like Mandrake (1)

Capt. DrunkenBum (123453) | more than 13 years ago | (#280561)

"More of my money is heading their way real soon."
Good for you. They will be seeing some mose money from me as well, I buy every x.0 release, and download the .x releases.
"When I get home, I don't want to be a sysadmin any more. I just want to click on the Unreal Tournament icon and kill some people. Mandrake lets me do that with minimal fuss. That's why I'm a fan."
I agree completely, I bought Mandrake 6.0 by accident (Was advertized as RedHat 6.0) I figured I might as well install it, then return it complaining that it wasn't what it was advertized as. Within 5 mins of finnishing the install I knew that I wasn't going to return it. Why? Because all the extra tools that I used to have to download and install manualy were all there, ready to go.
I am just lazy. It is not that I can't install the extras, it is just Why should I when Mandrake does it for me?
I have been using Mandrake 8.0 Beta 3 for a couple of weeks... Very nice..

ReiserFS (1)

Isldeur (125133) | more than 13 years ago | (#280563)


How easy is it to setup a root reiserfs partition? I made my /home a reiserfs after 2.4.1 came out but I've been waiting for 8.0 to hopefully do a reinstall (root only) and then have both partitions resier'ed. Is this easy enough?

Do you have to use an expert mode, or are you given a choice?

Re:What's changed since beta3? (1)

Strog (129969) | more than 13 years ago | (#280568)

I tried beta 3 and ran into some problems too. I did a clean install of RC1 and it was like a different installer. Everything worked great and installed without a single problem. I've only been using the expert install so I can't tell you about the other installs.

I had some problems in the past but it boiled down some sound card issues with my chipset. First a Aureal Vortex2 then a Soundblaster Live. I had an Asus K7M and finally got the Vortex card working good. Then I upgraded to an Abit KT7 Raid and the vortex locked hard after the drivers were loaded so I didn't load them. I changed to the Soundblaster and it had some issues until made some tweaks in the bios. Now Mandrake is running rock solid and is slick as can be. I probably would have similar results with distros now that my hardware issues are resolved but I don't need to change now. I have a couple other systems that I will test with.

Mandrake faults (1)

relinquish (140619) | more than 13 years ago | (#280572)

I use Mandrake 7.2 and am generally satisfied with it but I have a few gripes (I'm talking about the full desktop distribution here):

  • some obviously useful and small tools are lacking : talk, uudecode etc.
  • some important developper stuff is lacking - most importantly gdb and apache.
  • I've never had such a failure rate trying to compile some *tar.gz - something is always missing. I'm getting the feeling I can't install anything.
  • some apps are broken (xchat...) and xemacs has these horrible counter-intuitive icons I cannot begin to fathom why they let the old ones down (by the way if anyone has a solution to this I'd be grateful).

Re:Donations (1)

Shocker69 (141391) | more than 13 years ago | (#280575)

What's wrong with people asking to donate? Hell! I have a donation page on my personal web site that offers boring information about me through Paypal. Why? Because I can, and it took me 5 seconds to set up. If one person laughs at it and sends $1, it paid for itself. I don't actually expect people to donate, but if for some strange reason they feel like doing it, why not give them the opportunity =).

Re:What about RH - Mandrake upgrades (1)

Iron_Fist (151333) | more than 13 years ago | (#280579)

updating from RH7.x to Mandrake 8.0 is like updating from W95 to NT4. keep your /home and wipe everything else given that you have a dedicated partition for your personal data.

Re:Mandrake faults (1)

Keith_Beef (166050) | more than 13 years ago | (#280581)

Look, if you need something, and you find that it wasn't installed, try looking for it on your Mandrake CDs.

For example, mount each CD in turn and do something like

  • find /mnt/cdrom -name "*pache*"

I've used RedHat, then Mandrake, for the past three or four years, and I've had very few problems... and most of the time, I get distributions of the coverdisks of magazines.

Often, things are spread over two CDs, so if you only do a basic install off the first CD, it's not surprising that there are a few things "missing"...

Yawn.... (1)

shippo (166521) | more than 13 years ago | (#280582)

This version number war between Mandrake, SuSe and Redhat has to stop. Each of them appears to attempting to bring out a version number higher than the others, and ends up releasing a product that hasn't had enough testing.

I'm sticking with Debian unstable. :-P

Re:Mandrake's Business Practises (1)

digitaltraveller (167469) | more than 13 years ago | (#280583)

Of course, I forgot to mention that next time I type "cat /etc/redhat-release" it might say:
Redhat 7.1 Wolverine
But actually it will probably say Debian Unstable :)
Unless I can get suspend to disk working with Redhat's new laptop installation class, without having to compile in SysRq to the kernel. Fingers crossed...

Re:You don't get it, do you? (1)

UVABlows (183953) | more than 13 years ago | (#280589)

If you had done any background reading before posting about something you didn't know, you would see that people requested that mandrake set up a donations page. http://mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=694&lang= en [mandrakeforum.com]

Hi. I'm (insert has-been actor name here) (1)

SomeoneGotMyNick (200685) | more than 13 years ago | (#280594)

For less than the price of a cup of Bawls, you can help poor programmers forced to live in huddled masses in such horrible conditions so you may enjoy the fruits of their labor.

<SERIOUS>
I think the donation part is a great idea. Let's help keep a good thing going
</SERIOUS>

Re:Hi. I'm (insert has-been actor name here) (1)

SomeoneGotMyNick (200685) | more than 13 years ago | (#280595)

I havent't thought of it from that perspective.

If we buy our Linux OS from department stores, MAYBE the department stores will finally stock more Linux software.

Seems like a win-win situation

Re:that was the point they dont (1)

ranessin (205172) | more than 13 years ago | (#280596)

(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)

OK. The content is as crappy as the spelling and grammar.

Ranessin

Re:Yay! My favorite desktop flavor! (1)

m2e (215374) | more than 13 years ago | (#280600)

If you want latest and greatest, switch to Debian Sid. Debian stable is for people, that want to use stable and thoroughly tested distribution.

Re:Yay! My favorite desktop flavor! (1)

ablaze (222561) | more than 13 years ago | (#280602)

Mine is SuSE Linux. It really feels much more solid than Mandrake or RedHat. I used Mandrake 7.2 and it turned the standart look into this childish look. I prefer standart looks (although SuSE does change the desktop a bit either). Moreover I think SuSE has the better timing. When they will release SuSE 7.2 (or 8.0?) there will be perhaps a usable beta of KDE 2.2 out (or even kde 2.2 final as it is planned for july).

Mandrake 8 (1)

MikeyG79 (225212) | more than 13 years ago | (#280603)

I hope they fixed this version. Ever since the kernel update for Man7.1 I have not been able to install any newer versions. It had something to do with their kernel. I told them about it. Maybe they fixed it.
Their kernel had an issue with K6BV3+ mb's

Mikey

Re:Awesome (1)

smaughster (227985) | more than 13 years ago | (#280605)

Besides being easy to install an use, mandrake also provides good manuals and online tutorials. Check out their online tutorial for setting up a ppp connection for example. Some of you may find these tutorials trivial perhaps, but this is the stuff that will lure beginning computer users away from M$, since it effectively remove the fear of "doing something wrong".

Re:Yay! My favorite desktop flavor! (1)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 13 years ago | (#280607)

Redhat on my servers at home
Mandrake on my desktops at home and at work.

No windoze partition to be found on any of them.

Re:What about RH - Mandrake upgrades (1)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 13 years ago | (#280608)

I never upgrade. Not even Mandrake-Mandrake. The best thing to do is backup your home directories, and anything custom you wrote (like rc.local), and do a fresh install, learning how to use any new architecture.

On a first run, I will use the default desktops taht are installed (KDE or Gnome) just to see if they are usable yet. Then I always go back to windowmaker + Rox :)

Re:Mandrake faults (1)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 13 years ago | (#280609)

Mandrake's desktop install doesn't include much in the way of development tools at all. This is on purpose. If you need to compile things, you obviously will need to configure your install (or install later, it's easy with RPMs) the proper development tools. What is the problem here?

Re:Yay! My favorite desktop flavor! (1)

droolfool (235314) | more than 13 years ago | (#280610)

So, Slackware doesn't have obsolete libs huh? C'mon :)
---------------------------------------------- --
You think Bill Gates is evil?

FTP sites and /. mirror ? (1)

Codeala (235477) | more than 13 years ago | (#280611)

Site is slashdotted, here is a cached copy [google.com] of their ftp mirrors on Google. It is for 7.2 but some of them should have 8.0 already.

Maybe it is a good idea to setup an automatic temporary /. mirror for the links mentioned in last ten stories? Maybe people will actually *pay* OSDN to setup such a thing!

Hmmm, KWhore sounds like an interesting package for KDE ;-)

====

M$ Slaves, say hello to Mandrake. (1)

Codeala (235477) | more than 13 years ago | (#280612)

Mandrake has an excellent front end from start to finish, it just screan user-friendliness. This is exactly what we need to introduce new users to Linux.

First the installer (DrakeX) is completely point & click, icons driven with in depth step by step description with each option. Good hardware detection as you would expect with all the latest installers. When you reboot you are greeted by a nice graphical bootup screen (Aurora) that use icons to replace the standard text-based startup checklist. This is much etter than that bloody progress bar on Windows that don't seems go anywhere.

Mandrake also has the most Windows like desktop configured for you using KDE. Common things like Control Panel, 'Start' button, etc are all there. A Windows user will feel right at home (a less observant user may even think he is using W2K or XP ;-)

Also all packages are compiled for i586 by default, excellent to silence those clueless drones that think blah-i386.blah is automatically bad.

Now you may not be impressed by this stuff, but your typical M$ slaves will really be surprised that Linux is not just a clone of a "decades old text-driven legacy OS"! Even if you don't use Mandrake yourself, burn (or better yet BUY) a copy to give/burrow to your friends.

====

Re:Failure of Free software (1)

LordArathres (244483) | more than 13 years ago | (#280614)

Does Microsoft have to ask for handouts after a release of their OS? I take that selling support isn't going tremendously well either.

True MS doesnt ask for handouts. You have to rethink your stance though. Think about WHEN MS became big. Around 1995-1996 with Windows 95. Why? Becuase there was no alternative and computers were just hitting the main stream. All MS had to do was ride the wave. They got lucky, a LOT of companies start out by being lucky on one thing. Today is very different. The majority of people dont know about Linux. They dont want to know and they dont care. Their Windows computer works just fine for internet surfing.

The Linux companies CANNOT charge for their products becuase they are all similar and you can get it somewhere else for free. And with newsgroups and email lists, tech support becomes trivial. I agree with you that they're pretty much screwed but Supply and Demand comes brutually into play especially when its free.

These same companies cant make proprietary software because the Linux uses bitch about their GPL and FREE software. They are basically fucked. Dont think im Linux bashing becuase I'm not. I use Linux daily and I do think it eventually will become competition for the desktop market. Stability and power will be the selling points. With the restricting Windows XP and as computer users become more and more knowledgeable they will move to os's that let them do what they want to. Mandrake will be powerful in this regard with its simple install and ease of use. Give it time, it will happen, if I had to guess, 2 - 5 years.

Arathres


I love my iBook. I use it to run Linux!

Re:Mandrake faults (1)

LordArathres (244483) | more than 13 years ago | (#280615)

I had a bunch of problems compiling stuff like you. The problem comes with Mandrake renaming libraries. Annoying yes. For a first time user like I was, YES!!! Mandrake RPM's are the way to go, and Apache is included on the 2nd ISO image. For compiling things, it included a lot of links to what the library should be named. Also their directory structure is a little tweaked.


I love my iBook. I use it to run Linux!

Correction (1)

mikethegeek (257172) | more than 13 years ago | (#280619)

Mandrake 8.0 has:

Kernel 2.4.3
XFree86 4.03

Not 2.4.2 and 4.02 as is in the ./post.

Trying to steal RedHat's thunder. (1)

glrotate (300695) | more than 13 years ago | (#280621)

I love it. Competition. Maybe this will force the distros to actually come up with decent mirrors.

Re:You don't get it, do you? (1)

MSBob (307239) | more than 13 years ago | (#280623)

They're not asking for handouts. They're giving us the opportunity to show our appreciation for and support of all the hardwork that goes into all the cool stuff we get to use.

No. I don't think they're looking for appreciation here. They're after cold hard cash. If developers seek appreciation they ususally ask to be sent a postcard or a bottle of beer etc. This is just plain saying "We work for free but we're not gonna survive if you don't give us your dosh so pick up that wallet and support our commune. This is different from a few hackers trying to get kudos. This is a struggling business trying to sustain itself on an unrealistic business plan.

No, I wasn't "trolling". Everyone should be concerened about the fincancial health of linux companies because they're dropping like flies. And I'd like to see at least some survive in the long shot.

Re:Failure of Free software (1)

MSBob (307239) | more than 13 years ago | (#280624)

Look I'm a big Mandrak fan but I'm concerned about its future as a company. Because all their stuff is deeply rooted in this GPL dogma they can't break out of the pack and truly innovate. They will be stuck scrapping through and asking for handouts just to make basic living. This is not a way to run a successful business in the long run.

Spelling (OT) (1)

MSBob (307239) | more than 13 years ago | (#280625)

I appreciate you're dislectic mate, but boy you really have to show your posts to someone for proofreading. Man this stuff in unintelligible. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say in that comment. Please put a little bit of effort into punctuation. Wrong punctuation could change the meaning of your sentence.

Cheers,

Bob

Summary of the advantages? (1)

karmawarrior (311177) | more than 13 years ago | (#280626)

Could someone post (and presumably gain mucho +5 informative moderation points) a quick run down of what makes Mandrake Mandrake, ie strengths, weaknesses, packaging format, level of security, that kind of thing? There's a bunch of people posting that they really like it "because it's great on the desktop" but what makes it special?
--
Keep attacking good things as "communist"

Is this fixed? (1)

whanau (315267) | more than 13 years ago | (#280635)

Mandrake 7.2 used to rely on Xfree-xfs font server to serve up fonts instead of using the font path options in xfreeconfig to just let the server get on with its business. Unfortunately this package was buggy and seemed to fall over after 3/4 months of use. This is a common problem as many usenet postings will attest. Has this been fixed? And is kde2.1.1 built with antialiasing and a working freetype? the cooker rpms for freetype seem also to be broke

Re:Failure of Free software (1)

sagacious_gnostic (319793) | more than 13 years ago | (#280637)

The thing is... they're not really asking for "handouts" (sic) for themselves. They're saying "Hey look, there's all this cool stuff, why not show them your appreciation and volunteer a contribution"?

MS and other non-free software companies say "You MUST show your appreciation, whether you appreciate it or not; give us money i.e. non-voluntary contribution".

You're entitled to your opinion of what failure is... me? I prefer the Free Software approach.

Thanks

Re:anti-aliasing (1)

mod you later (326902) | more than 13 years ago | (#280639)

ok thanks. i couldn't find anything but this [sourceforge.net] seems to be the only available image i've been able to find. not exactly perfect; i think most would agree.

i was angry:1 with:2 my:4 friend - i told:3 4 wrath:5, 4 5 did end.

anti-aliasing (1)

mod you later (326902) | more than 13 years ago | (#280640)

is there anywhere online that i can get a screenshot of this feature?

  • Anti-aliasing is integrated into Linux-Mandrake 8.0 to provide a nice improvement in how fonts are displayed.


thanks

i was angry:1 with:2 my:4 friend - i told:3 4 wrath:5, 4 5 did end.

Re:Nautilus (1)

stew77 (412272) | more than 13 years ago | (#280643)

I want Nautilus support for Debian - I found Debian 2.2 with Helix Gnome is a very comfortable yet sleek desktop (compared to the default installation of other distros like RH or SuSE). Besides, I never found a Debian installation as hard as everyone claims.

Re:Nautilus (1)

stew77 (412272) | more than 13 years ago | (#280644)

At least, Ximian Gnome and esp Red-Carpet work flawless with Debian. I was amazed how simple and quick it was to install.

Re:ReiserFS (1)

fcrozat (444723) | more than 13 years ago | (#280650)

We support / in reiserfs since LM 7.1 :)) If you want to keep your /home in reiserfs, install "recommended" and choose "re-use existing partitions" and DON'T format your home :))

Re:Nautilus (1)

fcrozat (444723) | more than 13 years ago | (#280651)

Eazel doesn't officially support Linux-Mandrake yet but I think it will happen soon :))

Re:Mandrake is out? (1)

drizuid (444751) | more than 13 years ago | (#280652)

As a long time user of Slackware, i would, under most cases, have agreed with you on it being gay. After moving off to college, and trying to get my roommate to switch to linux, I chose the one I heard was easiest, and threw Mandrake on his computer.. Sadly, ALL of his hardware was working in about an hour, without my help. While after any reinstall of slackware, i have to do ALOT of tweaking to get my USB devices working.. I may not personally like non-slackware, but it's far from gay in my newly formed opinion.

Re:tp (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#280655)

It's awfuly slow. Here's the feature list.

Linux-Mandrake 8.0 provides a completely graphical installation process including "point and click" disk partitioning. Define disk partitions, including Windows partitions, with just a few clicks of the mouse. And, depending on the power of your system, a typical Linux-Mandrake 8.0 installation can be performed in 30 minutes or less. View demo [linux-mandrake.com]

Automated hardware configuration Linux-Mandrake is widely known as the Linux distribution with the best hardware detection and configuration abilities. Thanks to built-in hardware detection, Linux-Mandrake can detect and automatically configure many of the most recent hardware devices. Kernel 4.0.3 provides enhanced support for USB, Infrared and FireWire devices, as well as better performance with AMD and Cyrix CPUs, support for sound cards based on ESS Solo1, NeoMagic 256AV/256ZX and VIA 82Cxxx chipsets, improved SMP (symmetric multiprocessing) support, and much, much more. View demo [linux-mandrake.com]

Simplified system maintenance The new user-friendly Mandrake Control Center makes it easy to manage and configure your Mandrake box. View a demo [linux-mandrake.com]


Linux-Mandrake 8.0 main benefits

">Graphical environments
The famous Linux desktops GNOME 1.4 and KDE 2.1.1 are fully integrated with Linux-Mandrake 8.0. Discover these and many other graphical environment such as WindowMaker, Sawfish, Enlightenment, and six other favorites.

">Installation
DrakX is our famous Open Source graphical installer. DrakX provides built-in hardware detection and two installation modes for the various skill levels of users. Internet and network connections can be configured during installation with full support of ADSL and RNIS technologies. Additionally, nearly 50 different languages are available in DrakX.

">System maintenance
With the new Mandrake Control Center, all tools are now located in one centralized environment. From this one location you can easily perform most system tasks including customizing the video display, setting the system clock, configure network settings, install & remove software, take control of running services, and dozens of other crucial system tasks.

">Kernel
Linux-Mandrake provides the latest Linux kernel 2.4.3. You'll also find two customized kernels "kernel secure" (for servers that need added security) and "kernel enterprise" (for high workloads).

">Graphical interface
Xfree86 4.0.3 is the default graphical server which includes many new features and support for additional video hardware.

">MandrakeUpdate
Mandrake Update lets you easily update your system automatically through the Internet. You'll find MandrakeUpdate a great help for staying current with the latest security releases.

">MandrakeExpert
Direct access from the desktop to MandrakeExpert.com [mandrakeexpert.com] (MandrakeSoft's e-support website) allows you to obtain answers directly from registered "experts". With the purchase of Linux-Mandrake 8.0 you'll receive 30, 60, or 90 days (depending on the product) of MandrakeExpert installation support with 48 hour response time. With Linux-Mandrake 8.0, you benefit from the help of the best Open Source experts in just a few clicks.

">Development tools
Integrated Development environments: Linux-Mandrake includes the latest visual environments KDevelop, QtDesigner and Glade.
Programming languages: Choose from over 10 programming languages including C, C++, Java, Perl, PHP, Python, Fortran, Pascal, etc.
All source code included: Open Source gives you the opportunity to view and modify, debug or add functionalities to software.

Re:Mandrake 8.0RC1? (2)

deno (814) | more than 13 years ago | (#280657)

There is a world of difference AFAIK. However these differences are all in "bug-fixes" domain, and may not concern you at all. FYI, RC1 may be one day old for you, but it has been out since April 09-th [mandrakeforum.com]

misinformation (2)

deno (814) | more than 13 years ago | (#280658)

I would be very surprised to see anything more up-to-date in RH than in LM distribution (well, I'm sure one could find a few proggies, but definitively not important ones like X). As for "download crypto" option, it's gone because it isn't needed anymore. "Crypto" has been legalised in USA, so we have no reason to omit it from ISOs anymore.

Re:Nautilus (2)

Genom (3868) | more than 13 years ago | (#280662)

...as long as you're tracking stable. If you track testing or unstable, there are some "issues" with the Ximian debs. There's a rather thorough discussion of the issues on the debian-user list. The general consensus seems to be if you're tracking unstable, stick with the unstable Gnome debs - if you're tracking testing, you're on your own.

Re:Evolution (2)

luge (4808) | more than 13 years ago | (#280663)

0.9 is pretty bad, but the latest nightlies ROCK. Seriously... go give them a try. Much, much more stable than anything that has come before. I'm using evo as my full time mailer now and (especially in the last week or so) am very, very happy with it.

Re:Failure of Free software (2)

The Mayor (6048) | more than 13 years ago | (#280664)

Yeah. And the business model behind PBS is lame because they have to ask for handouts. The same is true with NPR.

Just because you "ask for handouts" doesn't mean your business model is unsound. It simply means you prefer to give your stuff away. As I understand it, Mandrake is a rather successful company. They may not be making 40% profit margins, with 30,000 employees worldwide, and its two founders as two of the three richest people in the world. But that doesn't mean their business model is unsound. It simply means they have different goals.

Re:Evolution (2)

Psiren (6145) | more than 13 years ago | (#280665)

I have been using the nightlies. They're just as bad. I'm not dissing anyone's work, Evolution has great potential. But I can't yet trust it to handle my everyday mail here at work, which is where I'd get the most benefit from it.

Yay! My favorite desktop flavor! (2)

Jethro73 (14686) | more than 13 years ago | (#280667)

This is my favorite desktop Linux flavor. I still prefer OpenBSD for the firewalling, and Slackware for the servers, but Mandrake is my favorite desktop flavor.

Is this pretty much the way everyone feels, or are people more dedicated to a particular distribution?

Don't forget to check http://www.linuxiso.org [linuxiso.org] ...

Jethro

Not a correction (2)

toofast (20646) | more than 13 years ago | (#280671)

The ./ post mentions kernel >= 2.4.2 and XFree >= 4.02... Ever seen the >= symbol? It means "greater than or equal to".

So there is no mistake in the original post.

Re:Hi. I'm (insert has-been actor name here) (2)

lizrd (69275) | more than 13 years ago | (#280679)

I think that I'm going to wait to upgrade until they have the boxed version in at Best Buy. It's not that I couldn't download it myself and burn it onto CDs and it's not that I want to support Best Buy. What I do want to support is being able to buy Linux software at local stores and I want to support the MandrakeSoft people too. They did a great job putting together 7.2 and that's more than enough reason for me to keep coming back for updates.

For all of you who really want to have this distro, I seriously suggest that you try to locate it at a local store and if you can't, ask for it.

What in the world is Mandrake thinking? (2)

sheckard (91376) | more than 13 years ago | (#280682)

FTP mirror sites are still smashed from the release of Red Hat 7.1... would it have really killed them to wait a week for things to cool down? Two *major* releases in about 3 days is enough to bring all but the most well-connected sites to their knees.

Re:Yay! My favorite desktop flavor! (2)

DrXym (126579) | more than 13 years ago | (#280685)

I have been impressed by the strides taken by Mandrake recently to secure their distribution. If you choose the server/high security options during installation you get a very nice secure machine from which to fashion into a server.

I installed 7.2 onto an old box. After tweaking a few accept/deny rules, and some other nips and tucks I have the thing running very nicely now as a masquerading firewall.

My favorite firewall (was Yay! My favorite desk... (2)

uberdood (154108) | more than 13 years ago | (#280686)

Just wait untill you see our new "MandrakeSecurity", you may change your mind about the firewalling and/or "servers" part. .-)
I simply don't see how MandrakeSecurity will make me give up my OpenBSD. I agree - I like Mandrake for the desktop. But is Mandrake doing a source code review of Linux like the OpenBSD crowd is? My borders need to be rock solid tight.

Mandrake's Business Practises (2)

digitaltraveller (167469) | more than 13 years ago | (#280687)

I'm currently a Mandrake 7.2 user. I know this because when I type "cat /etc/redhat-release" it says:
Linux Mandrake release 7.2 (Odyssey) for i586

In the three years I've been a linux user, I've used Debian, Slackware, Redhat and a few of the lesser "known" distributions. Mandrake is great for the latest toys, especially if you have a 56k modem and can't bother downloading the latest packages. However, it sucks in a technical way for shipping broken things like supermount and reiserfs.

It also annoys me that they are so predatory on Redhat's market share, with their ridiculous version numbering scheme and "trumping" of Red Hat's announcement, always right after a red-hat release.

Redhat contributes all sorts of resources to the free software community, they support gnome, XFree86 and other important projects. All Mandrake does is really "customize" RedHat's release with some more cutting edge tools and give nothing back to the community other then a few buggy GUI configuration tools.

It would be nice if Mandrake simply had a "Mandrake Desktop Plus Pack" for RedHat linux and formed an alliance with RedHat. If their aren't more mergers and acquistions soon between the commercial (note I said commercial!) distributions it will only weaken linux acceptance in the marketplace.

Bill knows the importance of providing a consistent user interface. That is why he is happy to leave themeing outside of windows. It makes life nice and simple for corporate accounts where M$ makes it's big money. What are you to do if you want a desktop with a salvador dali on steroids motif?? No problem. Bill gave MS API access to Stardock so they could build a themeing product. That way everyone is happy and M$ probably gets a kickback for every copy of windowblinds sold.

Re:Summary of the advantages? (2)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 13 years ago | (#280688)

In the past, it has been posted that Mandrake is "Redhat that works"

I've found that Mandrake does things a little differently (nonstandard), but things do seem to work really well, even if you need to tweak things a little. I have had no problems at all with Mandrake 7.2.

One nice thing with Mandrake vs. Redhat is they are quite good at supporting newer things without breaking old stuff. For example, I have had good USB support in Mandrake using the 2.2.17 kernel. 2.2 didn't have usb support directly. Mandrake backrevved the newer code into it....sweet stuff. Just yesterday I plugged a flash card reader into my USB port, and after probing the appropriate usb-store module (doesn't get done by default), I had a working flash device. That simple!

I don't like the way they handle GUI's and switching between them (I still haven't figured out how to make a custom XDM in mandrake, but that's not oh-so important to me anyway). But it's linux and you have the freedom to fix that dumb stuff. I simply boot to framebuffer without XDM, and start windowmaker with my .xinitrc script.

Aurora sucks...dunno what the point is..but that's a simple fix too. Just remove the package and things are back to normal.

Mandrake has some security settings you can use. I haven't done much with them, but they may be good for newbies. I much prefer running my own firewalling scripts from rc.local, and controlling rights manually.

Mandrake is a lovely distro for the desktop (The number of useful packages makes downloading anything else pretty much unnecessary!) I use it exclusively on my home and work desktops.

For servers I find Redhat to work better. I haven't tried any other distributions.

Donations (2)

sagacious_gnostic (319793) | more than 13 years ago | (#280690)

I've donated to the Debian project before, but I think Mandrake having a way to donate to other projects is pretty cool. The only reason I've not donated to other projects before is because I am lazy and couldn't be bothered trying to find out how. Kudos to Mandrake (the dist).

I don't use Mandrake, but hey... they make it easy to donate, so they must be OK.

Re:java seems not to install (2)

fcrozat (444723) | more than 13 years ago | (#280692)

We don't provide Java in download version of Linux-Mandrake because we don't have right to do so (and it is not free software).. But you can install Java RPMs from Sun website, they'll work without any problem..

Re:Mandrake faults (3)

The Mayor (6048) | more than 13 years ago | (#280694)

Damn, boy. You need to figure out what you did wrong. I installed Mandrake 7.2, as well. And:
  • I have uudecode (no talk, though)
  • I have gdb and apache (did you install the developer packages?)
  • I haven't had any problems compiling anything except stuff which required the latest versions of KDE & Gnome (the stuff that came out after Mandrake v7.2 was released).
  • xchat and xemacs work wonderfully. Xemacs has the same icons I've seen since the mid 90's.

Did you select a bare-bones installation or something? I think you've got a bad installation.

Re:You don't get it, do you? (3)

Black Perl (12686) | more than 13 years ago | (#280695)

They're after cold hard cash. If developers seek appreciation they ususally ask to be sent a postcard or a bottle of beer etc. This is just plain saying "We work for free but we're not gonna survive if you don't give us your dosh so pick up that wallet and support our commune. This is different from a few hackers trying to get kudos. This is a struggling business trying to sustain itself on an unrealistic business plan.

Wrong... they're not asking for money. Did you actually follow the link before posting your troll? They're giving you the opportunity to support the open-source project of your choice.

This was on the Screen Savers.com (3)

linuxrunner (225041) | more than 13 years ago | (#280698)

Last night on TechTV the show The Screen Savers [thescreensavers.com] did a live install of Linux Mandrake 8.0

You can get all of that information and more off of their web site.
They downloaded the ISO images (2 of them) and burned them onto CD's and did the expert install to show all of the new features.... Extremely simple install and partition...
Give it up for Mandrake

Linuxrunner

Awesome (3)

LordArathres (244483) | more than 13 years ago | (#280699)

My treading into Linux was with Mandrake. I have other distros, Progeny, but I think Mandrake is more than a simple Distro. The 2 cd iso's are packed with software. Mandrake spent the time and effort to get the coolest free software out there and made sure it works with their distro, then put them into RPM's and packed them all up and gives everything away for free. Cool.

I would recommend the Mandrake distro to people who want to learn Linux becuase after installing it, you dont need to really do anything more except for use it. Its a great complete product. I just their FTP servers are going to be tanked. I'll just have to wait.

Arathres


I love my iBook. I use it to run Linux!

When slashdotted, here are mirrors (4)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#280700)

OK, so when this is slashdotted, here is a list of mirrors for all you downloaders out there! Linux-Mandrake 8.0 release candidate mirrors for i586 processors.

Austria [tuwien.ac.at] , France [claranet.fr] , Germany [tu-dresden.de] , Sweden [chalmers.se]

Evolution (4)

Psiren (6145) | more than 13 years ago | (#280701)

I hope they've made it clear that evolution is still pre-beta. Its still extremely unstable atm, and would give a poor impression to new users.

Rushed, once again. (4)

MicroBerto (91055) | more than 13 years ago | (#280703)

Don't get me wrong -- I love Mandrake and the guys that work for MandrakeSoft. However, I must say that just like 7.0, the beta cycle on this was far too short. If you read MandrakeForum [mandrakeforum.org] , you will notice that there seems to be many unresolved bugs.

However, I do think that this is much, much better than 7.2, just don't be surprised to see 8.1 (or 8.01) come out just as quickly, and tons of things in MandrakeUpdate.

Mike Roberto
- GAIM: MicroBerto

You don't get it, do you? (5)

Tim C (15259) | more than 13 years ago | (#280704)

Okay, I'll bite - I haven't been trolled in a while :-)

MS don't ask for handouts, because they force you to pay for their software.

With Mandrake, as with most other Linux distros, you have a choice - pay, or not. All Mandrake are saying is "feel free to download it for free, but if you feel like contributing some sum of money, you can do so here - you can even specify who gets the money!"

They're not asking for handouts. They're giving us the opportunity to show our appreciation for and support of all the hardwork that goes into all the cool stuff we get to use.

Cheers,

Tim

Re:Summary of the advantages? (5)

LordArathres (244483) | more than 13 years ago | (#280705)

Sure...

EASY TO GET
Download. Burn. Put in CD. Reboot. Smile.

INSTALLATION
Can run through windows for the true beginer.
Graphical Partitioning.
Support for a LOT of file systems.
Full Graphical Installation.
Single User Mode, its really nice. No Login, KDE, bad security but for the beginer its good.
Very good hardware detection.


USE Auto mounting file systems.
Packed with applications. 2 ISO Images of RPMS. I think this is one of the most important ones. You literally get EVERYTHING you might need.

Compatible with *MOST* Red Hat RPM's.
Great online support. Mailing lists etc.
Graphical Configurations for everything.
Comes with KDE and Gnome + like 7 other window managers. Easily log in and out for some apps that dont like Gnome, or KDE, depending.

Free

Easy to install. Easy to use. Fully functional. It blows Windows away in useability. Its nicley secure and has different security settings during installation. Pick Paranoid for a almost uncrackable system.

I would recomend it to anyone.

Arathres


I love my iBook. I use it to run Linux!

From the Mandrake Features Page... (5)

mightyflash (444716) | more than 13 years ago | (#280706)

"Kernel 4.0.3 provides enhanced support for USB, Infrared and FireWire devices, as well as better performance with AMD and Cyrix CPUs" [...]

Did I sleep 10 years or so?!
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