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Software Uses Almost 1/2 the Storage On 32GB Surface Tablet

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the all-used-up dept.

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First time accepted submitter jigamo writes "Microsoft's newly released Surface tablets are available in 32 and 64 GB capacities. The company has disclosed how much of that space is available to the user. After taking into account Windows RT, Microsoft Office, built-in apps, and Windows recovery tools, nearly 13 GB of the available space is eliminated from user accessible storage. Microsoft's recommendations for adding additional capacity are to use cloud storage, a memory card, or a USB storage device."

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471 comments

Full of microsoft (5, Funny)

BluPhenix316 (2656403) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886787)

A Tablet full of Microsoft, whats not to love?

Re:Full of microsoft (0)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886829)

ms fail. for ipad, 32 GB advertised storage = ~29.7 GB available storage (just checked on my ipad). For surface apparently, 32GB->19GB.

Re:Full of microsoft (5, Insightful)

Straif (172656) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887119)

And how much is it to add an additional 32gb or 64gb to your iPad if you hit your storage limit? $20 or $49 like the Surface or more? Oh wait...

Not that I have a Surface or any plans to buy one but my guess is that when you build a device that's meant to be essentially a laptop replacement and you also include expansion slots so people who need more memory can buy it off the shelf at any corner store for relatively cheap, preloading it with everything including the kitchen sink doesn't seem like a bad idea.

Yeah I'm sure a lot of it will go unused but it's not like storage space is going to be an issue for someone with a Surface, unlike an iPad where what you buy is what you have and if you ever want to store that one extra video on your tablet without deleting something it will cost you another $800 investment to get the next model up.

Re:Full of microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41887147)

cloud!? its the answer to all questions muhahaha

Re:Full of microsoft (4, Insightful)

Luckyo (1726890) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887237)

Frankly, ipad comparison is hilarious. Surface has the industry standard microSD port. Just put in another 32 gigs. Costs something around 30€ at the moment.

With ipad, you're SOL.

Re:Full of microsoft (-1, Troll)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887213)

full of bloatware*

Considering this is Windows... (4, Insightful)

The MAZZTer (911996) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886791)

13GB is not bad. I made the mistake of getting a 40gb SSD for my Windows 7 partition. I recently upgraded it to a 120GB one, much better.

Re:Considering this is Windows... (5, Insightful)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886887)

13GB is not bad.

Well, it kind of is when you take into account that it's almost half of all the space on the whole device on a 32GB Surface. In practice you're being sold a 16GB tablet when you think you're buying a 32GB one. In comparison my 32GB Android-tablet leaves 28GB free for use and my 16GB phone leaves 13GB free after the OS.

Re:Considering this is Windows... (0)

the_y_the (1158965) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887039)

Yes, but you are also not getting MS Office, and other in-built apps. I don't know what those other apps are (haven't RTFA), but depending on those, 13GB free space could be very reasonable.

Re:Considering this is Windows... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41887129)

13GB of crap is *not* reasonable.

Re:Considering this is Windows... (4, Informative)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887105)

Yeah but you can just pop in an SDXC mini-SD card for $50 have have another 64GB for music/movies which is what fills a device.

The 32GB is essentially a system and application drive. And since it's Windows RT I doubt most applications will be larger than 100MB. So from a functional standpoint that leaves space for 20GB * (1000/100) = 200 applications at least. More likely most applications are around 10MB.

Re:Considering this is Windows... (3, Interesting)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887161)

Yeah but you can just pop in an SDXC mini-SD card for $50 have have another 64GB for music/movies which is what fills a device.

That's the thing I do not agree with. It's like saying "Hey, we know you bought a 32GB tablet, but we decided to use half of all the space on the tablet so you should go out and buy MORE stuff to make up for the space we use!"

Re:Considering this is Windows... (3, Insightful)

Luckyo (1726890) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887261)

That was actually the way smartphones of old worked, and it's a FAR more customer-friendly approach. "We give you a smallish system drive and a functional expansion slot so you can buy as much as you need".

Considering microSD prices and the product, this is going to be a deal breaker for no one.

Re:Considering this is Windows... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41887323)

At least they are not forcing customers to buy douchey docking connectors.

Re:Considering this is Windows... (2)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887235)

It's a bit more for one that doesn't lag while presenting here said movies and music.

Re:Considering this is Windows... (3, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887163)

In practice you're being sold a 16GB tablet when you think you're buying a 32GB one.

Maybe you think that's a big deal because a 16 GB iPad costs $100 more than a 32GB one [apple.com] , versus $9.99 to add 16GB to the Surface [newegg.com] . And in fact, the add-in card is better, because you easily swap out different cards with different contents. I have a MicroSD with my entire music collection for my Sansa Clip+, and might want to pop it into a tablet without waiting for a 20GB file copy.

Re:Considering this is Windows... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41887319)

13GB is not bad.

Well, it kind of is when you take into account that it's almost half of all the space on the whole device on a 32GB Surface. In practice you're being sold a 16GB tablet when you think you're buying a 32GB one. In comparison my 32GB Android-tablet leaves 28GB free for use and my 16GB phone leaves 13GB free after the OS.

Which Android tablet comes with and can run Microsoft Office?

Re:Considering this is Windows... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41886995)

I got a 64 gig one. Holds windows and a game of modern size. Windows boots in 6 seconds, the game loads in less than one.

There's not much else I can ask for. If I want more space I can just get a cheap hd. Its not like I need to store things on the ssd. Its entire purpose is to minimize load times on the programs that need it most, and there aren't many that need more than 64 gigs of space, unless you're, like, a cloud storage facility or something.

Re:Considering this is Windows... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41887225)

Grandma does not accept your answer. Grandma does not understand what the hell you're talking about on any level, and she loses those nasty little cards you're recommending her, which means she loses everything she had on there. Grandma will happily stay with her laptop/iPad that at least she has gotten used to now and doesn't have to deal with some technical mumbo-jumbo that doesn't make any sense to her...

Re:Considering this is Windows... (2)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887011)

13GB is not bad. I made the mistake of getting a 40gb SSD for my Windows 7 partition. I recently upgraded it to a 120GB one, much better.

Except its a *Tablet* running a tablet OS, and you can't upgrade the hard drive. Equivelant OS's have a smaller footprint.

Re:Considering this is Windows... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41887195)

I wouldn't call it an equivalent. If the surface has a fully loaded MSOffice then there is not a tablet out there that can compare to what it will do for businesses. I've used apple, android, rim, but not MS. They all suck for documents.

Re:Considering this is Windows... (1)

Dahamma (304068) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887207)

Except its a *Tablet* running a tablet OS, and you can't upgrade the hard drive.

Actually, not really - it's basically running Windows 8 for ARM. Also, unlike the iPad you can add an SD card.

Still pretty absurd, though. And I guess it explains why they didn't release a 16GB version!

Re:Considering this is Windows... (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887289)

You're badly misinformed. This isn't a "form over function" tablet, where you can't. This is a function and form, where you in fact can upgrade the hard drive. Though in mobile devices, we called these "microSD cards" since... well nokia n95 or so?

Re:Considering this is Windows... (1)

ludomancer (921940) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887183)

No. Even considering that this is windows, it is still *extremely* bad.
This is indicative of the same bloat and indiscretion for efficiency that has caused every MS GUI OS to plummet into user-hindrance after NT.

It's trite-ware; full of shit that no majority needs, but the MS handicap has convinced itself it must employ in order to reach every conceivable userbase desire conceivable, no matter how miniscule. If competition has it, so must they, only a fraction as good and double the footprint.

Including all the pitfalls, bloat and bugs that come from such a development philosophy, It is THE trademark reason Microsoft has been failing the user for >10 years.

And no, I don't have an alternative solution aside from "stick with older MS platforms for as long as humanly possible, and don't pay them for anything for as long as you can avoid it".

Re:Considering this is Windows... (1)

frosty_tsm (933163) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887187)

13GB is not bad. I made the mistake of getting a 40gb SSD for my Windows 7 partition. I recently upgraded it to a 120GB one, much better.

I know what you're getting at, but that's only a win if the user accepts the fact that MS clumsily ported their desktop OS. To compare with Apple, both take roughly the same amount of hard drive space (give or take 5 or 10 GB, but same order of magnitude). When Apple developed the iOS, they stripped out a ton of the bulk to make it around a gig or so. I can't imagine that Windows needs that much code; it's just being half-assed.

32 gig sd card is cheap (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41886805)

At least they give you that option.

USB thumb drives I personally find handy, I tend to keep a 64 gig thumbdrive filled with movies, swap it between my android tablet, media center pc, laptop, or what have you, rather than having to replicate the file out endless times.

Cloud storage is no good in Canada, where uncapped internet doesn't really exist, and mobile plans are absolute garbage.

Re:32 gig sd card is cheap (5, Insightful)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886837)

And don't forget to say that cloud storage is no good in Canada, where uncapped internet doesn't really exist, and mobile plans are absolute garbage.

Yes, it's so bad that it's worth mentioning twice.

Re:32 gig sd card is cheap (3, Informative)

Stewie241 (1035724) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886973)

There are options if you want unlimited Internet in Canada. Fewer or greater depending on where you live. They do tend not to be the mainstream carriers though. Fortunately, I happen to live in a small area serviced by a cable provider that offers unlimited.

Re:32 gig sd card is cheap (1, Troll)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887097)

Cloud storage is no good in Canada

really? but canada is so cloudy!

13GB? (3, Insightful)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886807)

It seems ridiculous to me that 13GB is taken by the OS and built-in software.

How does that compare to iOS? And to be fair, how does that compare to iOS+Pages+Keynote+Numbers?

Re:13GB? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41886963)

Well, iOS 6 currently clocks in around 760-800 megs. My iWork '08 folder comes in at just under 720 megs. So in that respect Windows RT is beyond bloated.

Re:13GB? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41887001)

How does that compare to iOS? And to be fair, how does that compare to iOS+Pages+Keynote+Numbers?

On my iPad2, 32gb: about 3.4gb is allocated to OS, leaving me 28.6gb. The three apps together total 772MB.

So 4.2gb or so, give or take. YMMV.

Almost half (1, Flamebait)

tbird81 (946205) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886809)

"Nearly 13"/32 = nearly 40%.
"Nearly 13"/64= nearly 20%.

Almost half. Sure, no exaggeration detected at all. And then you can add a memory card if over 19GB isn't enough for everybody.

Re:Almost half (2)

kinadian (136810) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886909)

It does say almost half on a 32GB tablet. I don't know about your world but 40% is almost half in mine.

Re:Almost half (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41886985)

And then you can add a memory card if over 19GB isn't enough for everybody.

Do you prefer to keep your installed application on removable media, or on your hard drive?

Re:Almost half (1)

cheater512 (783349) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887297)

As opposed to a 64gig Android tablet where approx 3.1% is OS.

20% vs 3%? Thats bloody bloat.

Microsoft Office (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41886811)

Ok, so you're accounting for what is likely to be the largest single software install (as in storage) available for the unit outside of the OS. What is it without the Office package?

Re:Microsoft Office (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41887231)

A paperweight.

poo (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41886813)

it is, just admit it

Registry Editor (0)

Rosyna (80334) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886817)

Why does a tablet need a file system browser, a registry editor, DirectX diagnostic tools, notepad, or a command prompt?

All those really exist in Windows RT on the Surface. They don't need to be there. It's supposed to be a freakin tablet. They could have made a lot more space available by removing a lot of these types of things.

Re:Registry Editor (5, Informative)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886867)

It's supposed to be a freakin tablet.

Which is a freakin' computer running a freakin' operating system.

Re:Registry Editor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41886877)

Because One Size fits Most ...at least in Microsoft land.

Re:Registry Editor (3, Insightful)

Luckyo (1726890) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887305)

You misspelled "apple land" there. Microsoft handily includes a microSD port with its tablets.
You seem too used to the fact that in apple tablets and phones, whatever memory you buy the device with, you're stuck with. This is not the case here.

Buy a Macintosh!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41886885)

Re:Registry Editor (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886907)

My android phone has 3 of those.
A file system browser is always handy, and so it notepad. If you actually want to do useful work a command prompt can be damn handy.

These types of things take up very little space, Office is likely what is taking up all the space.

Re:Registry Editor (0)

cheater512 (783349) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887309)

Have you seen Explorer.exe? Microsoft can make a very very big file browser.

Re:Registry Editor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41887333)

And I'm officially terrified of how the hell MS thinks they're going to get MS Office anywhere reasonable around Android (thinking particularly devices like the Nexus 4, but even others, where the expandable storage is key if you want games and music and whatever else on there)... unless they make it so stripped down it's no better than the options already available, which are a pretty small footprint...

Re:Registry Editor (2)

doti (966971) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886929)

because you might need them when things break.

it's windows.

also, my android phone have a file system browser, a notepad, and a command prompt, and they take waaaaay less space

Re:Registry Editor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41887069)

because you might need them when things break.

it's windows.

also, my android phone have a file system browser, a notepad, and a command prompt, and they take waaaaay less space

....which is saying a lot--because they're written in Java.

Re:Registry Editor (1)

p0p0 (1841106) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886935)

None of those things would have made any free space at all and would simply detract from functionality. They want your Tablet/PC experiences to be relatively similar and streamlined.

Registry is part of Windows and an editor would be a good idea. Why wouldn't you need a file system browser? I have one on Android for managing files, Android (and I believe jailbroken iPhones) have a terminal, Notepad is another popular app that many tablet users download. The only thing I can see as unnecessary is the DirectX Diagnostics, but they do intend for you to develop on the tablet also, so that may be why it stayed.

None of these things are really necessary, but many tablet users download similar apps to them anyway. They really don't take up precious space either so that point is rather moot.

How about a car analogy, then. (1)

Medievalist (16032) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886991)

Would you drive your car around with the hood welded shut and no lug wrench?

If you insist on keeping important configuration in a ludicrously unreadable binary registry, instead of simple and efficient text files, you aren't going to be able to maintain the box with a general purpose tool like a word processor or text editor. Windows systems pretty much require a registry editor.

Re:Registry Editor (1)

The MAZZTer (911996) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886993)

None of those tools take up a significant amount of space. You can remove them if you WANT to, but their usefulness far outweighs that.

Plus, the command prompt is needed if you want to run batch files. Some installers, even modern ones, do. And for workplaces, IT will likely have a bunch of logon scripts written that may rely on it.

Registry Editor, as well as most of the tools you named, would probably be more likely used by IT to try to diagnose problems with a device. Without it you can still use reg.exe to apply tweaks you find on the internet or whatever but it is not suitable for general registry browsing.

DirectX Diagnostic Tools is used by many game company support teams in order to get a profile of your system from you. It definitely should stay.

Notepad is a basic notepad, and is the default association of .txt and .log files. I shouldn't have to go into why this app should be included.

But let's see how much space you could save. Notepad is 200kb on Windows 7, and there are two copies. So 400kb. Regedit is ~450kb. Dxdiag is 350kb, as is cmd.exe. Congrats, you saved less than 2mb. Most of the support files are shared by other applications so you couldn't really increase this figure by much. I will be generous and say 10mb, which is still not significant enough to cut away the usefulness and compatibility (in the case of Command Prompt).

You can certainly cut out big chunks of the OS on the desktop (see: nLite, vLite) but it is likely MS has already done a LOT of this just to get it down to 13gb while still including all features the consumer would expect to see.

Re:Registry Editor (0)

Xeleema (453073) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886997)

You take that back this instant, Mister! My tablet needs a command-prompt so bad I can TASTE it.

Re:Registry Editor (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887013)

Why does a tablet need a file system browser, a registry editor, DirectX diagnostic tools, notepad, or a command prompt?

My guess is that no matter how much they polish it up to make it all tablet-ey -- underneath, it's still Windows, which has all the same crap as any other Windows, and you'll need this stuff to make work.

It sounds like they haven't made anything which lives in a smaller footprint.

Of course, Microsoft will say they needed that much space to cram in the awesomeness. Me, I'm just going to call it bloat they couldn't pare down.

Re:Registry Editor (2)

ericloewe (2129490) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887057)

Notepad: 189KB
dxdiag: 336KB
regedit: 10KB
cmd: 337KB

total: 872KB

Re:Registry Editor (1)

Hatta (162192) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887061)

Why doesn't a tablet need a file system browser? Are you not going to put any files on it?

Re:Registry Editor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41887083)

It's supposed to be a freakin tablet.

Why does tablet have to mean a crippled computer where you can only do a subset of what you can do on a real computer?

It should be a form-factor and a user interface to suit - not a dumbed down system that limits what you can do that makes it essentially only useful for reading web pages, email and playing games.

Sure that's what 99% of people will be content with, but other people will want to actually do work, development etc on it.

Its windows (-1, Redundant)

nurb432 (527695) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886819)

What did you expect? Of course to be fair, if you install a *full* version of the average desktop linux ( or bsd ) distribution you get tons of stuff by default too. Most of it you dont want.

But still, for a tablet product they should have gone out of their way not to just toss crap onto it. Space is not cheap, like it is on a desktop.

Idiots.

Re:Its windows (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41886937)

A fully loaded linux install takes up no more than 4 GB.
13GB means bloat.

Re:Its windows (4, Informative)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886981)

What did you expect? Of course to be fair, if you install a *full* version of the average desktop linux ( or bsd ) distribution you get tons of stuff by default too. Most of it you dont want.

But still, for a tablet product they should have gone out of their way not to just toss crap onto it. Space is not cheap, like it is on a desktop.

Idiots.

Calling other people idiots doesn't make them so. As for your comparison with a Linux Desktop with a healthy selection of Apps I am running at 7GB after many months. I suspect a fresh install would require much less. Ubuntu for example https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements [ubuntu.com] suggests 5GB.

Re:Its windows (1)

cheater512 (783349) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887331)

A full version of Ubuntu including OpenOffice tips the scales around 2gig. You were saying?

Excellent! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41886821)

You mean we can use a a memory card, or a USB storage device? This is fantastic! thanks for the Tip!
And it comes loaded with Full Office, Truely Amazing!
I can't wait for mine!

32GB? That's like booting off a floppy nowadays. (1)

couchslug (175151) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886827)

Yes, really. There's no nice way to say it.

Re:32GB? That's like booting off a floppy nowadays (0)

nurb432 (527695) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886861)

And that there is part of the problem. "acceptance". Nope, no nice way to put it.

Re:32GB? That's like booting off a floppy nowadays (2)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886979)

Indeed. I remember when a 40gb disk was huge.
To... much... bloat...

Re:32GB? That's like booting off a floppy nowadays (1)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887045)

Child!
I remember my first floppy disk drive with 68K per 5.25" disk.
That was my third computer.
Also, get off my lawn.

well LA TE DA! (1)

Thud457 (234763) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887123)

Get a load of little lord Fauntleroy here, with his floppy disk !

Re:32GB? That's like booting off a floppy nowadays (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41887093)

40GB? Heck, I remember when 40MB was huge. I remember when 5MB was amazing.
Now get off my lawn.

Re:32GB? That's like booting off a floppy nowadays (1)

p0p0 (1841106) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886977)

That's quite high for Android tablets. Most top out at 8-16GB, and they usually leave little room for user data also. So in comparison, they are really quite above most tablets available..

OMFG software uses storage space?!?!?!? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41886849)

I thought all that was stored in the tiddly-winks chips.

(16GB for Windows, Office and media apps.... my Desktop uses FAAAAAAR more. Get it through your head people - Surface is a touch screen ultrabook, not a tablet.)

Re:OMFG software uses storage space?!?!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41887025)

I thought all that was stored in the tiddly-winks chips.

(16GB for Windows, Office and media apps.... my Desktop uses FAAAAAAR more. Get it through your head people - Surface is a touch screen ultrabook, not a tablet.)

Get this through your head. Surface RT is a TABLET! The unreleased surface pro is an ultrabook style machine.

Re:OMFG software uses storage space?!?!?!? (1)

Spad (470073) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887157)

And? Does the definition of a TABLET contain "has less than 10% of the available space occupied by the operating system and base applications"? Perhaps it differs somehow from tablets, which are ultimately just portable touch-screen devices. Just because the iPad & Nexus 7 use a small percentage of their storage for the OS doesn't mean that it's somehow The Law.

Hmmm (1)

folderol (1965326) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887205)

~$ df Ooo look 7312160k - full office suite - browser *2 - graphics package *2 - video/music player *2 - music creation package * 7 - wine + PCB package *2 - cd/dvd package - etc.

Worse news for Surface sufferers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41886873)

Reading this post has used the rest of the *out of memory error*

Please (0, Offtopic)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886913)

If you can spend $700 on a tablet computer, you can spend $50 on a 64 GB thumb drive.

Re:Please (1)

dave562 (969951) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887015)

This.

And the fact that you CAN access external media, unlike that other popular, non-android table.... pad thing.

Re:Please (1)

Obfuscant (592200) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887259)

And the fact that you CAN access external media, unlike ...

the Motorola XOOM "Google Experience", where the external SD card has been made READ ONLY, except when the device is mounted as a USB disk. So, you cannot store anything you create locally, or download via WiFi, on the external media. You can't even delete things you are finished with from the external media except by connecting baby to momma and doing it from a real computer.

And this behaviour was part of an "upgrade" to the OS.

Re:Please (1)

fa2k (881632) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887153)

If you can spend $700 on a tablet computer, you can spend $50 on a 64 GB thumb drive.

Not the same. You'll always have a dongle sticking out of the tablet, it may not fit in the case, it gets caught on things when you put it in a bag, etc. Now an SD card is not so bad. Still some inconvenience in that you can't import pictures off other SD cards, but it's *much* better than those tablets that don't even have an SD slot.

Boo fucking hoo (0)

Sulik (1849922) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886919)

does anyone really care ?

Microsoft's recommendations (2, Insightful)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886931)

Microsoft's recommendations for adding additional capacity are to use cloud storage, a memory card, or a USB storage device."

Here is my recommendation: "Buy something else."
I for one, bought a Google Nexus 7, and quite like it.

Re:Microsoft's recommendations (1)

Barlo_Mung_42 (411228) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887243)

Or just get the 64GB model.

Guys! Guys! THE CLOUD!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41886965)

Just use the CLOUD ! The cloud fixes everything!!!

That should have been THIS FIRST thing you guys thought of, before even writing the article!

I bet you guys feel really embarrassed now, huh?

Meh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41886967)

Any estimate how much of that 13Gb does anything useful?

Or how much is viral code?

Remember, this is the company that would have you believe an office suite requires circa 140Gb of storage...

It DOES accept a MicroSD (5, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886989)

It accepts a MicroSD, so who cares? Contrary to the market-segmentation-via-soldered-in-SSD strategy of certain other companies, the fact is, the stuff is very cheap - $1 per gigabyte [buy.com] .

Well, it's actually kind of cool... (4, Interesting)

joebok (457904) | about a year and a half ago | (#41886999)

Well, it's actually kind of cool that the user can pop in a memory card. I guess I have gotten a little to used to iProducts that don't allow such niceties.

Re:Well, it's actually kind of cool... (1)

PRMan (959735) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887175)

All Android devices take micro SD cards that I've seen. In the last 2 years or so, they can go as high as 32GB.

Aha! (5, Funny)

sootman (158191) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887003)

So there is a 16GB Surface! :-)

Memory card. (5, Insightful)

csumpi (2258986) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887007)

I'd rather take a device with 13gb free space and a memory card slot, rather than one with 28gb free and no way to expand.

Re:Memory card. (2, Insightful)

mapsjanhere (1130359) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887081)

By pure coincidence, 13 Gb with no expansion slot is all you get on a Nexus 7 16 Gb.

Microsoft Recommends (3, Insightful)

Herkum01 (592704) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887021)

Other misc recommendations

  • Leaving 10GB for patching
  • Nightly scheduled updates
  • A Virus Scanner
  • Regular de-fragmentation of the disk
  • Turn off unnecessary services like the "Print Spooler
  • Periodically clear on the systems logs to reduce the amount of used diskspace
  • Link your tablet to MS Live account

REMEMBER, TABLETS ARE LOW MAINTENANCE! (compared to PC's)

With Love,

Microsoft

PS: You really did not think things would change THAT much!

Re:Microsoft Recommends (4, Insightful)

Spad (470073) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887189)

Apart from "Link your tablet to MS Live account" that's mostly bollocks.

Flamebait submission (0)

autocannon (2494106) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887023)

This entire submission is total bullshit. It's intended to stoke the flames of the Microsoft haters and drive clicks here. So it takes up 13 GB? How does that compare to iPad, and the newest factory Android tablets? Is it really bloated, or is the additional stuff actually useful even if in limited circumstances. But no, instead all we get is a worthless and exaggerated metric when taken by itself. Any number taken out of context can be made to look bad.

.NET (3, Informative)

Hentes (2461350) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887059)

is like 4GB alone. They need to get rid of the bloat if they are serious about mobile/tablet.

Not surprising (2)

fermion (181285) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887101)

A few ago I was buying a few PC laptops. I want one to be like an ultrabook, and actually found one that was a good price, and had what I thought was a 64 GB. My first Macbook Air had a 64 GB SSD, and though it was tight, the system, library, and applications are about 25 GB, it was workable even with iPhoto, though I never ran iMovie or Aperture on it. However, the sales person told me that since we were going to install full version of MS Office and do photo editing it would not work well.

So this was always my assumption of putting a full OS on a tablet. It simply would not have enough power or memory to really make it work, even using something like the simplified interface that was so-recently-called-Metro. Even the 64 GB iPad is getting insufficient. I am not going to buy another until there is 128GB.

So, big surprise, building a table to meet a price point is not going to result in a high end experience, no more than buying the cheapest laptop allows one to create a feature film. In this case, however, we may find that bloated software may not even allow one to write a memo in MS Word. I suspect we will find the low end solution is still going to be Android and Google Drive.

The solution is obvious (1)

phonewebcam (446772) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887133)

Just do what this guy did and use two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-pMZd1fupw

The Office Suite? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41887199)

Excuse me, are we talking the freakin' OFFICE SUITE of programs when you say Microsoft Office? Are you INSANE? Why the fuck should this figure in any calculation at all? As much as I loathe the direction Microsoft is taking this sounds more like a shill padding his calculations than actual valid criticism of the device. A full office suite can easily eat up more than half of the space alleged to be unavailable to the user. Add to this that 40.6% != 50% and you got the typical sensational bullshit of shill propaganda. Pulling numbers out of my ass and making a guestimate removing the Office Suite will at least reduce this to more than 25GB leftover, with space to expand using both internet storage and external devices. If you really need space, you can just buy a 32GB memory card or better at a rather cheap price and leave it in the slot. If you really, really need space you can go ahead and buy the 64GB + a 32GB memory card with probably ~90GB leftover after the OS footprint.

If you really need more than that locally either stop buying tablets and buy a proper laptop or accept the "inconvenience" of card-swapping. Jeez.

This is coming from a Linux user. /endrant

Binary vs Decimal gigabytes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41887249)

According to the linked page [microsoft.com] , the storage capacities are advertised in decimal. How is that? Don't they use solid state storage, like every other tablet out there? Isn't that whole binary vs decimal discrepancy a characteristics of spinning storage? If not, how do the solid state storage manufacturers manage to only fit 32,000,000,000 bytes (reported as 29.8GB) where you would expect to see 34,359,738,368 bytes (reported as 32GB)? Do they somehow disallow access to the difference to keep the marketers happy?

cannot install apps on micro-sd card (4, Informative)

Nalez (556446) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887269)

It is great that the surface has a micro-sd card, but it suffers the same issues that the android platform has, which is that you can NOT install apps on the micro-sd card [microsoft-news.com] . For comparison, both IOS 6 and Jelly Bean are around 2gb in size.

Paraphrasing Mr. Gates (2)

_UnderTow_ (86073) | about a year and a half ago | (#41887329)

Nearly 13GB should be enough for everyone.
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