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Nvidia Doubles Linux Driver Performance, Slips Steam Release Date

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the linus-now-has-license-to-swear-at-more-companies dept.

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leppi writes "Nvidia has announced a huge increase in Linux gaming performance for their GeForce R310 drivers after almost a year of development alongside Valve and other game developer partners. Nvidia's announcement also indicated the Steam beta for Linux should be out today. Quoting: 'Available for download at www.geforce.com, the new R310 drivers were also thoroughly tested with Steam for Linux, the extension of Valve's phenomenally popular Steam gaming platform that officially opened to gamers starting today. ... Comparing 304.51 driver performance of 142.7 fps versus 310.14 driver performance of 301.4 fps in beta build of Left for Dead 2. All tests run on the same system using Intel Core i7-3930K CPU @ 3.20GHz with 8 GB memory, GeForce GTX 680 and Ubuntu 12.04 32-bit.'" Update: 11/06 21:00 GMT by S : Valve has gone ahead and announced the Steam for Linux Beta. They've sent invites to a number of people who filled out the application, and they'll be inviting more as the test goes along. The beta test is available for installation on Ubuntu 12.04, with support for other distros to come: "We intend to support additional popular distros in the future; we’ll prioritize development for these based on user feedback."

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Yet another YOTLD estimate (4, Funny)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#41898339)

Hardcore video games have traditionally been one of the sticking points against getting PC users to adopt GNU/Linux. But with big companies (Valve and NVIDIA) committed to bringing hardcore video games to the GNU/Linux platform, what else is in the way of making 2013 the year of the Linux desktop?

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (2, Interesting)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41898363)

Nothing just like the last decade.

For many people the YOTLD was a long time ago.

I just hope I got selected for this beta.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41898999)

I just hope I got selected for this beta.

I wish they had more detailed questions. Or at least announced a larger beta pool. I feel like they'll easily glance over me if I didn't select the right hardware.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (-1, Troll)

Kjella (173770) | about 2 years ago | (#41899191)

Well, as long as h4rr4r (612664) says Linux on the desktop works fine I don't see any reason why we should listen to what the 99% that don't use Linux think. Clearly they're all wrong and h4rr4r is right.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41899273)

You may think of my comments as a "works for me". Nothing more.

Why you would want the non-linux users opinion on linux I don't know. I would think someone who actually uses it probably knows more about the topic.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (3, Insightful)

YodasEvilTwin (2014446) | about 2 years ago | (#41898403)

Ease of use.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (3, Insightful)

dimko (1166489) | about 2 years ago | (#41898931)

You mean it's too easy to use Linux? I mean... With ubuntu you just pop into it's centralised software database, and graphically install most needed programs from there, while in windows you have to find application in search engine, and actually navigate and download it, and it's not always as easy as it seems.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (2)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 2 years ago | (#41899309)

I've got about a dozen friends and cow-orkers using Linux now, and all have stated that they find it more usable than Windows). They've chosen a variety of desktops, mainly Gnome2 plus Docky, Gnome shell, or Xfce. Updates are automatic and centrailized, software repositories are built in, and you can generally tweak it to act as you wish, although less so in the last few releases of Ubuntu using Gnome-shell or Unity. A little love from the hardware manufacturers would be nice though. You still run into the occasional rough sport with some hardware, but it happens with Windows as well. I still think Google should put out a nicely packaged version of Debian for people to use.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (1)

kirillart (1111591) | about 2 years ago | (#41898407)

dmabuf api

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41898411)

... the windows 8 interface of course

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (1, Insightful)

ninlilizi (2759613) | about 2 years ago | (#41898433)

what else is in the way of making 2013 the year of the Linux desktop?

The Open source zealots themselves. Ferrociously brandishing huge sticks of self-flagulation against the very thought of their pure and holy shrine being poluted by this closed source sourcery

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (2)

jedidiah (1196) | about 2 years ago | (#41898563)

Clearly you're not scaring the Windows users away.

So that sort of thing shouldn't be a problem for Linux either.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (3, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41898581)

That is a pretty good imagination you have.

Every linux user I know is pretty happy about this.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#41898995)

Valve can choke twice, once on me and once on steam. I'd rather get an old game I meaingfully own for four bucks than a new game that I don't for the same four bucks.

On the other hand, I'm quite glad to see nVidia improving driver performance, and I hope that I'll see some improvement myself, with my much older card. I don't need to see performance double to be happy, either.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41899081)

I buy the games on disk and just enter the codes in steam. If they ever screw with me I can download a cracked executable.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (0)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#41899203)

Steam has so far been a blight upon every system I've installed it on, but maybe they will get serious about software quality and QA on Linux. Heh heh heh.

My ISP makes downloading warez a PITA. For example they ban bittorrent entirely, and they spy heavily. I have downloaded some cracks, though. I did pay for Half-Life 2 and Garry's Mod before I decided how much I hated Steam...

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41899291)

Steam seems to work fine via wine. That is how I currently use it.

I don't pirate software so I do not know what my ISP does in that regard.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 years ago | (#41898797)

Even rms is excited about Steam for Linux:

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/nonfree-games.html [gnu.org]

"However, if you're going to use these games, you're better off using them on GNU/Linux rather than on Microsoft Windows."

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41898841)

Walks like a troll, sounds like a troll, stinks like a troll. Yup, you're a troll.

Desktop is for preinstalled OSes, most people don't care about what they're running and they never meet the people you are FUDing about. The reality is, Linux owns the biggest machines down to the embedded. It is by far the world's #1 OS.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41898907)

You may have meant flagellation. I guess your Windows has a broken spell checker.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41898537)

nethack is a hardcore video game - all those valve graphics are just fluff

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (2)

cruff (171569) | about 2 years ago | (#41898817)

nethack is a hardcore video game

I still enjoy playing nethack every so often. One day my brother had me show my niece and nephew a nethack game. At first they couldn't believe games were so crude in the old days, but then they started getting into the game play after a bit.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41898583)

Nope, because installing NVidia driver on Linux stills requires a shitload of configuration until you can use something other than a text-based interface. And the average user doesn't want that.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41898681)

You could not be more wrong.

Ubuntu will do it all with shiny pictures for you.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (1)

heathen_01 (1191043) | about 2 years ago | (#41898895)

You could not be more wrong.

Ubuntu will do it all with shiny pictures for you.

While I can't speak for the AC, his experience mirrors mine, ubuntu 12.10 with a nvidia 5950 ultra.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41898909)

12.10 with a GTX460.
Checked the box for the updated versions of the driver and that was it.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (1)

heathen_01 (1191043) | about 2 years ago | (#41899139)

I'm happy it worked for you. It doesn't work for everyone... The gui installer didn't even work for me, failed at step 1.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41898937)

By default Ubuntu will use the open source video driver called Nouveau for your NVIDIA graphics card.

Usually you will see a notification and/or an icon in the top panel, reminding you that restricted drivers are available.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (1)

heathen_01 (1191043) | about 2 years ago | (#41899157)

By default Ubuntu will use the open source video driver called Nouveau for your NVIDIA graphics card.

Usually you will see a notification and/or an icon in the top panel, reminding you that restricted drivers are available.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia

Going to be hard to spot that notification icon when the installer doesn't even work...

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (4, Funny)

goldspider (445116) | about 2 years ago | (#41898587)

ALSA.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (5, Funny)

MrEricSir (398214) | about 2 years ago | (#41899073)

I think you misspelled "Pulse."

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (1)

MadChicken (36468) | about 2 years ago | (#41898851)

Apple. Or even modern versions of Windows, I guess.

For me at least, the clear advantages of a Linux desktop withered away about 4-5 years ago. Even the price of commercial OS's are almost inconsequential these days.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41899265)

$100 buys you a small SSD, 16GB of RAM, or and OEM version of Windows. Two of these will make your computer very pleasant to use.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41899307)

If you are going to violate the license why not just pirate windows?

OEM versions are for you to build a PC that you sell, not one for your own use.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41898867)

Extreme buggyness.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (5, Insightful)

wzinc (612701) | about 2 years ago | (#41898875)

It's funny. MS is always touting you need Windows for "real" work, but the only reason I even keep a Windows box is games. I believe there are a lot of /. people out there who are the same way.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (1)

Ironhandx (1762146) | about 2 years ago | (#41898933)

In fact I most recently bought & installed windows 8 just to eke out a bit more gaming performance.

Its honestly a fantastic OS(for windows) once you get rid of the thing where they try to force you to use a tablet interface with a mouse & keyboard.

I also keep most of the PC's in my house on Windows because nothing except my router plays nice with linux for some reason.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41899201)

You are not entirely right...

I only use Windows for gaming AND running Ableton Live.
Unfortunately wine (even when using wineASIO) is not capable running Live 8 smoothly enough.

At the other hand, the rest of the music is created on Linux using Ardour, Rosegarden, Muse and Reaper (the last one by using wine) etc.
Also a lot of plugins work great under Linux.

As soon as Bitwig becomes available for Linux I have enough power to drop Live and Windows is only used for gaming.

As soon as enough games have been ported, or otherwise made usable under Linux (a lot of them are already running great using wine) by using the Steam client, it will probably be the end of my last remaining Windows version.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (1)

Talderas (1212466) | about 2 years ago | (#41898899)

Reality.

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (4, Insightful)

kimvette (919543) | about 2 years ago | (#41899045)

what else is in the way of making 2013 the year of the Linux desktop?

  • The ongoing trend of saying "RTFM" to every question when TFM is either nonexistent, is written in geek terms a non-sysadmin will never comprehend, or the documentation simply sucks balls.
  • Regligious fanboyism of distro-vs-distro
  • RPM Hell (. . . and RPM is one of the better package managers!!)
  • Lack of a cohesive marketing effort; different projects and distros spend too much time competing and distinguishing themselves from one another rather than cooperating and distinguishing ALL of Linux from Windows as a legitimate alternative
  • F/OSS vs. binary blob holy war: why does it have to be so difficult (from a user's perspective) to get an NVIDIA card working properly? (or to get an ATI/AMD card to work at all ;))
  • lack of working management tools for SAMBA (editing config files and managing samba users via CLI is still the best way) not to mention crappy SAMBA documentation and howtos that are just plain wrong

--

--
Lack of support from third-party vendors and hardware makers (or inferior support where support does exist). I am back tor running Windows almost exclusively on my primary PC (my laptop) for:

    - RAW support for my DSLR (DCRAW is horrible compared to Lightroom or even Canon's DPP raw processing)
    - Adobe CS and photoshop plugins
    - my embroidery machine and embroidery software
    - My iPhone (like it or not, it's a great product but it's tied to iTunes)
    - Games (less work to configure than futzing around with WINE or Crossover or Cedega**)
    - CD/DVD publisher (Bravo SE) at the office
    - Brother label printer
    - SilverLight (Ick. see: Netflix)

  ** now discontinued(?) - which brings up another point: products/projects being abandoned/discontinued seemingly at random

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (-1, Troll)

kimvette (919543) | about 2 years ago | (#41899079)

Oh, and I forgot the most important one:

User reports a bug or makes a feature request - in regard to a really glaring, obvious issue or shortcoming.

Developer response: WIll not fix. It's more boring than developing new features. (or) it's open source, fix it yourself!

Yeah, brilliant marketing there. Way to win friends (for Microsoft and Apple) and influence people (to go back to proprietary OSes)

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (3, Interesting)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41899153)

RPM is not one of the better package managers. Yum uses RPM, but even that sucks.

Drivers are easy, its a checkbox in Ubuntu.

You are blaming an OS for a company shutting down? Is it Microsofts fault when a windows software company dies?

Re:Yet another YOTLD estimate (1)

IrquiM (471313) | about 2 years ago | (#41899067)

[...]what else is in the way of making 2013 the year of the Linux desktop?

Gnome

Today (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41898361)

Is it measured in Valve Time?

Re:Today (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41898389)

As long as it is not the third anything we will be ok. Since we all know valve can't count to three.

Re:Today (1)

mpeskett (1221084) | about 2 years ago | (#41898595)

At this point, there's a part of me that's expecting to see the third installment of everything from Valve all come out on the same day. Would explain why HalfLife 2 Ep 3 took so long if they had to wait to also have Team Fortress 3, Portal 3, Left4Dead 3 and DOTA 3 in the pipe and ready to go.

That said, it's not a big piece of me that's actually expecting that though. About 1/3.

Re:Today (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41898771)

Yup, and they'll release them as one package, The Orange Box 2.

Re:Today (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41898803)

TAKE MY MONEY PLEASE!!!!

Valve please be reading this.

Re:Today (2)

Juanvaldes (544895) | about 2 years ago | (#41898919)

Well this is the third platform Steam has come out for. First Windows, then Mac OS, now Linux.

Re:Today (3, Funny)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41899001)

Shut up, shut up, shut up.

You might end this right here and now if Gabe sees that post.

Some perspective needed (pun optional) (2)

rs1n (1867908) | about 2 years ago | (#41898371)

I'm sure everyone is also interested in seeing how the performance compares to drivers on other operating systems (Windows, Mac OS X). Is there a link to such a comparison? It helps to put things into perspective. (I'm too lazy to google it =)

Re:Some perspective needed (pun optional) (3, Informative)

kav2k (1545689) | about 2 years ago | (#41898459)

No need to go far [slashdot.org] .

Steam Programs (2)

Jonah Hex (651948) | about 2 years ago | (#41898385)

Since Steam now provides programs, including one that updates your drivers, why not release the major drivers on the platform directly? Take advantage of the Steam (torrent hybrid) distribution method and get auto updates. - HEX

Re:Steam Programs (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41898405)

How exactly does that work assuming you aren't silly enough to run Steam as root?

Re:Steam Programs (3, Interesting)

Jonah Hex (651948) | about 2 years ago | (#41898529)

Same way it does on Windows, asks to install the updated driver and get elevated for that task. Personally I wasn't thinking of Linux, as I game (and mostly work) on Windows. - HEX

Re:Steam Programs (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41898651)

Actually, Steam runs as root on Windows. That's why they have the entire service running "in the background" to launch stuff that is used for updates.

Frankly, I'd run Steam on linux but only in a chroot. And away from video drivers.

Re:Steam Programs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41898773)

Under windows, steam downloaded the latest Catalyst, and launched its installer in a separate process, which then prompted me for elevated permissions.

I don't see what's wrong with windows update, or AMDs own "check for updates" routine, but I guess it's more NIH syndrome.

Re:Steam Programs (1)

Jonah Hex (651948) | about 2 years ago | (#41899003)

Steam service runs as Local System which does have some restrictions, while the client itself runs under my user account and would be subject to UAC if I had it turned on. I run my home systems for my convenience, so easy driver updates or all in one programs like http://www.ninite.com/ [ninite.com] appeal to me. The places I contract to I never see Steam installed and haven't ever had to worry about it, except to want a better distribution network for my packages. ;) - HEX

Re:Steam Programs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41899297)

> Steam runs as root on Windows

No. No it does not. It runs as a service, but not with full permissions.

Re:Steam Programs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41898717)

What do you want on top of the driver updater? I don't understand your request. Windows Steam already updates AMD drivers when you ask it to.

Re:Steam Programs (1)

centuren (106470) | about 2 years ago | (#41899145)

Not a bad idea, actually, so long as it's only an option for those who want it (and not a requirement for either the drivers or steam).

I think I'd rather have driver updates integrated with my software repositories than with any particular application, however gaming specific it is (which I'd also like to have integrated with my software repositories). Steam coming to Linux, and any effort around it, is a big deal, absolutely. Big because Steam has a serious user base (many of whom think of it as synonymous to PC gaming enough to suggest it distribute drivers), but also because of the source engine.

I am a Steam user, and have bought tons of games through it. Still, it's primarily just a distribution point. The important thing are the game engines (unreal, crytek, etc). These are what's important, because what the popular game engines support heavily determine what the games can support. A game studio might want to release for Linux, but that often ends up meaning a decision between using a top-of-the-line engine and one that supports OpenGL. Chris Roberts brought this up regarding a possible Star Citizen Linux release, saying:

We would be happy to support it and the CryEngine srever can run on Linux. The problem is the client side as that relies on DirectX (which obviously doesn't work on Unix). If Crytek can add OpenGL support then I would say, we will do it.

I look forward to Steam's debut on Linux, and recognise it's significance. I just wish there were more Valve/Source games I liked. Aside from the Portals, nothing comes to mind.

Re:Steam Programs (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 2 years ago | (#41898811)

At least in its Windows incarnation, Steam doesn't run with admin privileges. It simply, when necessary, starts whatever the installer is with a request for elevation. You get the pop-up and/or username and password prompt(depending on your system settings) and the privileged process does whatever install needs doing while steam continues to chug along at its usual level. Presumably a linux implementation of the idea would work in roughly the same way: Steam downloads the installer package and, depending on whether it is a binary installer or a .deb/.rpm package, kicks up a sudo prompt to allow you to run the installer or your package manager as root.

That said, the main incentive to have Steam offer GPU driver updates is that the ones provided through Windows update are always ages behind the curve, and having a vendor-specific update-nagging tray object is annoying. On a system with a package manager, there really isn't much point.

Re:Steam Programs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41898793)

Great. DRM required just to install a fucking driver. Sounds lovely.

Re:Steam Programs (1)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about 2 years ago | (#41899015)

not required you could go dig it up on your own if you wanted to they would just be a convenience.

Re:Steam Programs (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41898989)

Ubuntu already updates the nvidia driver through default repositories.

What a Slip! (4, Informative)

Baloroth (2370816) | about 2 years ago | (#41898409)

Nvidia's announcement also indicated the Steam beta for Linux should be out today

I think Valve's [steampowered.com] announcement kinda indicated that too.

Today Microsoft Officially Died (2, Insightful)

Press2ToContinue (2424598) | about 2 years ago | (#41898491)

This event marks a new dawn of popularity for Linux. This is awesome. So sorry to see you go M$. You have been resigned to the bone-yard of has-been techology companies. Say Hi to IBM for me.

Re:Today Microsoft Officially Died (2, Funny)

gtirloni (1531285) | about 2 years ago | (#41899065)

Agreed. All those dozens of hardcore gamers holding Linux back. Now they have no excuse!

Re:Today Microsoft Officially Died (2)

bws111 (1216812) | about 2 years ago | (#41899169)

IBM is a has-been of technology companies? Do tell.

OMG could this be (2)

future assassin (639396) | about 2 years ago | (#41898575)

the year of Linux on desktop?

Will the evil Microsoftians interfere?
Will the diablolical Appleites unleash the dooms day Software and Plastic part patents?
????
Stay tuned!

32 bit ?! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41898593)

We are in 2012 aren't we ? is a shame that we have to still use 32 bit OSs because some drivers/CPUs still suck @64 bit :(

Re:32 bit ?! (2)

Zan Lynx (87672) | about 2 years ago | (#41898741)

I've been running 64-bit Windows and Linux since 2007. Where is this suck you speak of?

I suppose you could have been one of the sad few who used a Pentium 4 instead of the much better Athlon 64 chip.

Re:32 bit ?! (1)

afidel (530433) | about 2 years ago | (#41899009)

Considering Prescott introduced X86-64 to the P4 in September of 2005 and Cedar Mills made it universal in 1H 2006 I fail to see how your bragging about an Athlon 64 is 2007 has any relevance.

Re:32 bit ?! (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41899245)

I think he meant AMD64, which is what x86-64 is more properly called.

64 bit opertons were available in 2003. Intel back then was still touting Itanic.

Re:32 bit ?! (1)

twnth (575721) | about 2 years ago | (#41898967)

the Nvidia driver is available as 64 bit (listed under legacy and beta drivers)
Steam has previously said they're starting with 32 bit, and will get 64 bit out later. Hey, its beta. Nothing should be considered final.

Re:32 bit ?! (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41899031)

Assuming you install the 32bit libs, seems like it should not be any issue to run 32bit steam on a 64bit OS.

Hear that, Microsoft? (4, Funny)

Type44Q (1233630) | about 2 years ago | (#41898637)

That's the sound a one big motherfucking railroad spike being driven into your soft, worm-eaten coffin.

Music to my ears, baby! :)

Re:Hear that, Microsoft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41899197)

98% of all desktops run on Windows. Guess how many of that cares about Steam games?

304.10 won't build against the 3.7 kernel source.. (2)

ktmdms (2026140) | about 2 years ago | (#41898719)

How nice except that 304.10 won't compile against the 3.7 kernel source and nVidia says it will try to get that working by the next release...

Re:304.10 won't build against the 3.7 kernel sourc (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41898779)

Nvidia needs to get their shit together and at least put some of the driver in the mainline kernel.

At least all the Source games should run fine on the intel driver.

Re:304.10 won't build against the 3.7 kernel sourc (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41898853)

3.7 is not out of RC yet, Im pretty sure the nvidia driver has never worked for me without hand fixing build issues on RC kernels. distro's wont adopt 3.7 until a few months later too. Bleeding edge usually involves some pain and tinkering now and again

Nouveau, Please (2)

ilikenwf (1139495) | about 2 years ago | (#41898727)

I wish nVidia would stop being so protective about it's API's and just work with nouveau. If there's a few bits here or there that must remain proprietary, they could release those with a nonfree license and make the rest open...I refuse to use something with no support for a framebuffer console.

Re:Nouveau, Please (1)

armanox (826486) | about 2 years ago | (#41898893)

And dare I ask what is so important about the framebuffer console? I hate the high res text console (vga=791 was plenty fine), and not having KMS or whatever setting the console is fine with me.

CUDA programs (1)

nherm (889807) | about 2 years ago | (#41898761)

Will programs using the CUDA libraries have increased performance as well?

FPS measurements are useless. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41898791)

Really - 150 FPS versus 300? No one could ever tell the difference - not even your monitor! I don't get this whole obsession with FPS, especially when monitors can't even do it this fast.

Re:FPS measurements are useless. (2)

BradleyUffner (103496) | about 2 years ago | (#41898929)

Really - 150 FPS versus 300? No one could ever tell the difference - not even your monitor! I don't get this whole obsession with FPS, especially when monitors can't even do it this fast.

Higher frames per second translate in to more frames for physics engines to run, which brings much finer simulation detail.

Re:FPS measurements are useless. (1)

Khashishi (775369) | about 2 years ago | (#41898945)

But I bet most people can tell the difference between 15 FPS and 30 FPS. Up the complexity, and the rendering slows down.

trolling much? but I'll bite... (2)

Chirs (87576) | about 2 years ago | (#41898983)

1) high frame rates in a basic game imply better frame rates in a more complicated game, or at higher resolution
2) high max frame rates imply a higher minimum frame rate, which is actually noticeable if it drops too low

Re:FPS measurements are useless. (1)

Nadaka (224565) | about 2 years ago | (#41899205)

Add a few more monitors and the difference might be noticable.

Versions on Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41898833)

This is the linux crowd we are talking about here...

Ubuntu 12 is such an arbitrary term for a "typical" linux user.

How about, naming compatibility with kernels and hardware? Anyone could make their 10.10 (with gnome) install appear to be 12.whatever

Re:Versions on Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41898905)

You feel free to support that. No commercial game vendor will do that.

Re:Versions on Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41899041)

I'm sure it works with other systems, it's just a package targeted for Ubuntu 12.04

Re:Versions on Linux (2)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about 2 years ago | (#41899223)

Ubuntu is or until recently was the most popular Linux desktop they the number two now one Mint is based on Ubuntu; thus ubuntu is the most obvious Linux flavor to start with. Requiring the current LTS or later is entirely reasonable, especially for beta software. Besides Valve has said if all goes well the will add support for more distros. no need to whine because it wasn't you favorite varient they chose if you don't like it you can always duel boot, try extracting the (probably .deb) package and install it yourself. or you could run it in a VM or any of a dozen other possible ways putting it on your favorite distro.

32 bit OS? (2)

Beat The Odds (1109173) | about 2 years ago | (#41899063)

Why was this test done on a 32 bit OS with 8 GB of RAM?

This means that it was running that crappy PAE kernel.

Far better to test on a 64 bit OS instead.

10 % better than Windows (5, Interesting)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | about 2 years ago | (#41899091)

10 % better than Windows if the numbers at

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/geforce-gtx-670_4.html [xbitlabs.com]

can be used straight away (which they possibly can to some extent as Left for Dead 2 probably isn't CPU bound) for GTX 680

Windows - 276 fps

Linux - 301.4 fps

Quite an improvement anyhow!

Congratulations to all involved!!!

Source Code and Documentation.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41899159)

..or it never happened.
We don't want no binary blobs in our Linux Kernel!

Ubuntu 32-bit? (1, Interesting)

Milharis (2523940) | about 2 years ago | (#41899213)

"All tests run on the same system using Intel Core i7-3930K CPU @ 3.20GHz with 8 GB memory, GeForce GTX 680 and Ubuntu 12.04 32-bit."
8 GB of RAM, and they're using the 32 bit version of Ubuntu ?
I know it's what Ubuntu is recommending by default, but come on, with the rig they have, why go for 32 bit?

Driver fixes for mobile platforms as well? (1)

colin_faber (1083673) | about 2 years ago | (#41899241)

Does this mean the mobile chips will see an improvement as well? It sure would be nice to watch HD video without huge amounts of page tearing.

It's gotten better of the years, but it's still a rather large and annoying issue with these chips. Though it could be worse, I could be stuck with an AMD (ati) chipset.

How? (4, Interesting)

Chemisor (97276) | about 2 years ago | (#41899327)

Can any driver developers comment on how this was achieved? I know I haven't been programming OpenGL for very long, but all I see it doing is writing the data to the card and running the shaders on that data. Data transfers should already be going at full speed, so I don't see much possible improvement there. I also can't see how shader compiler improvements could result in doubled performance. Typically, compiler changes speed things up by a few percent and I don't believe that nVidia's compiler was that bad before. So what was sped up exactly? And frankly, aside from compiling the shaders and memcpying data to the card, I'm puzzled what the driver is doing anyway?

Steam Game Console (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 2 years ago | (#41899379)

Additionally, the Steam for Linux Beta client includes Big Picture, the mode of Steam designed for use with a TV and controller, also currently in beta.

How many more clues do you guys want? The Steam Game Console is coming!

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