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Motorcycle App Helps You Ride Faster, Turn Sharper, Brake Harder

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the machine-assisted dept.

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Hugh Pickens writes "Alexander George writes about a new app that takes the data from a smartphone's accelerometers, GPS, and inclinometer to plot information for braking force, lean angles, speed, and on-track location onto Google Maps to shave precious milliseconds off each lap time in motorcycle races. Race Sense is designed to be a useful tool for someone who races for a living and a very fun toy for those who just like to brag about what lean angle they got at their ride day, and what top speed they reached down the main straight. Australian Grand Prix motorcycle road racer Anthony West provided much of the R&D that went into tweaking the app. 'With sponsorship's so hard to find and I need another way to survive. I spent some of my own money developing it with an Italian guy who also likes to ride himself, and who writes programs,' says West who designed Race Sense to fulfill the needs of a genuine MotoGP racer. 'Sometimes it's one second [separating] 20 people. If you adjust one little thing thinking about something in one corner you can lose four places.'"

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This will probably kill people. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41916935)

I have the feeling that people are going to try using this to perform techniques that are above their skill level. They will probably die. Its awesome for racers who are trying to shave time off their laps, and who are in a controlled setting. For most riders, I think this will lead to a slight increase in fatalities.

Re:This will probably kill people. (5, Insightful)

Random Data (538955) | about 2 years ago | (#41916983)

Or it could save people by letting them realise just how awful their riding skills are, with some pointers to improve them. Watching people try to drive or ride on a twisty road shows you just how poor most of them are at picking lines, making corrections if required, and judging entry/exit speeds. This is supposed to be used on racetracks, which means the local fun roads will be tracked/mapped about 3 seconds later.

Re:This will probably kill people. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917125)

I wonder how looking at a phone while riding aggressively affects lap times... or the ability to finish at all. ;)

Re:This will probably kill people. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917171)

Hopefully, the people using this will either mount the phone on the tank or on the tail so it is out of view.

This won't stop irresponsible people from being irresponsible, but at the track we tape over things that could be distracting to the eyes (speedometers, lap timers, etc) that way we don't try to check them instead of watching the turns/other riders/turtles that may be trying to hitch hike.

And no, you don't need to see the speedometer at the track. Your gut/butthole provide much more feedback in much less time than it would take for your brain to process looking at the speedometer. Although, again, a lot of these things are actually out of view of the rider because of the posture you're in.

Re:This will probably kill people. (2)

deroby (568773) | about 2 years ago | (#41918563)

Just wondering, but isn't the speedometer a necessity in racing ? As is some indication that you're over-revving the machine for instance ?
=> Sure, your "gut" can guesstimate how hard you're turning into a corner but if you KNOW it can be done at speed x, then why assume that you can 'feel' it better than (or just as good as) a quick glance at the speedometer ? Feels like a lost opportunity if you actively shut it out.... Heck, you probably could have the app tell you if you're above or below the 'required' speed using some kind of signal (audibly (probably not an option as those racebikes make one hell of a noise, really not my cup of tea) or visibly via some light that's mounted in the peripheral of your eyes. Red = too fast, blue = too slow, green = within margin). You'd still need to decide if you go along with it, but I'd guess that it would make you think twice to add that little bit of extra when science predicts you won't make it.

On a related note : I've found myself on the road going into situations where I assumed my speed was x while in fact it was well above that... (*) Luckily I don't have to drive 'at the edge' and so at worst I was mildly surprised and needed to brake a bit harder than foreseen; but I guess when you're flirting with the laws of physics you don't have that luxury.

(*: I guess this happens when doing a long drive and the brain seems to get used to the speed, or maybe I just got drowsy, not impossible either. In each case, IMHO 70 kph in the first 5 minutes always feels faster than 70 kph after doing an hour of 120 kph on the highway)

Re:This will probably kill people. (3, Informative)

Spy Handler (822350) | about 2 years ago | (#41919079)

No, racebikes don't have speedos. Anyways a speedo has nothing to do with overrevving, if you're concerned at that you should be looking at the tachometer, not the speedometer.

Racers (at least motorcycle racers, I donno about cars) don't think in terms of "Ok next corner is a 75mph corner". They think in gears, as in "This is a third-gear corner and I should be at 7000 rpm when I begin my drive out of the corner"

Re:This will probably kill people. (3, Interesting)

fafaforza (248976) | about 2 years ago | (#41918047)

Right. You aren't looking at the device while riding. You look at it after putting in a few laps to see where you're losing time. You analyze the data, go back out to alter your braking point, acceleration point, etc, put in a few laps, and compare.

Re:This will probably kill people. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917127)

Good news for those in need of organs!

Re:This will probably kill people. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917129)

Or it could save people by letting them realise just how awful their riding skills are, with some pointers to improve them. Watching people try to drive or ride on a twisty road shows you just how poor most of them are at picking lines, making corrections if required, and judging entry/exit speeds. This is supposed to be used on racetracks, which means the local fun roads will be tracked/mapped about 3 seconds later.

Nope, I think it will kill people, because those with just enough skill to push the limits will push them too far. Just like "defensive driving" and "extreme driving" courses have proven to make drivers less safe because they THINK they know what to do in a situation they experienced in a class one weekend.

Re:This will probably kill people. (1)

gninnor (792931) | about 2 years ago | (#41918755)

I'd like to see that study. It seems to me that the kind of people that would take those courses may have had some selection bias.

Re:This will probably kill people. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917339)

And how is this app different than an athlete on Steroids ?
So we now have racing based not just on skill , but how well the app is tuned ? Ridiculous !

Re:This will probably kill people. (1)

Shatrat (855151) | about 2 years ago | (#41918699)

It doesn't give you man tits? Also, the million dollar electronics in a modern MotoGP or WSBK motorcycle make this app look like a childrens toy.

Re:This will probably kill people. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41919003)

And how is this app different than an athlete on Steroids ?

Because the rider still has to do all the turning and driving himself? In the end, this app is not much more than an automated coach, that tells a person what they could be doing better, while it is still up to them to actually do better. It has been pretty well accepted anyway that people with better coaching in most sports will have much better opportunities to reach maximum potential faster. Just now it can be had in part for the price of a phone, instead of a salary.

Re:This will probably kill people. (1)

gtirloni (1531285) | about 2 years ago | (#41917825)

These people aren't bad drivers because there wasn't an app to show them how to be better. You have to dig deeper.

Re:This will probably kill people. (1)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | about 2 years ago | (#41917917)

No, it will encourage people to ride more aggressively so they end up in wrecks and dying.

Then, people like you will blame the "cagers" when, in reality, it was because the rider was weaving in and out of traffic doing 90 in a 45.

Re:This will probably kill people. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41916987)

That was my thought, I suppose he could charge quite a lot per copy and probably cut that risk down. But, I'm not sure if enough actual racers would be around to make it worthwhile.

Re:This will probably kill people. (2)

mrbluze (1034940) | about 2 years ago | (#41917137)

I have the feeling that people are going to try using this to perform techniques that are above their skill level. They will probably die. Its awesome for racers who are trying to shave time off their laps, and who are in a controlled setting. For most riders, I think this will lead to a slight increase in fatalities.

This app would make an excellent gift for certain people...

Re:This will probably kill people. (5, Insightful)

2fuf (993808) | about 2 years ago | (#41917189)

Smart phone apps don't kill people, reckless drivers kill people.

Re:This will probably kill people. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917967)

Smart phone apps don't kill people, reckless drivers kill people.

Very few have a practical use for a motorcycle. In most cases it's just an expensive toy.

Now tell me, what use would a responsible driver have for this app? It seems that this app was written to "optimize" irresponsible behaviour and cut out the small margins for unforseen events that the reckless drivers still have.

Not that I want to forbid people from using it. I just don't want my insurance company to fork out money when someone who uses this app ends up in an accident. I'd rather see that money spent on people who end up in "real" accidents and not manufactured ones.

Re:This will probably kill people. (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | about 2 years ago | (#41918449)

It's for people involved in bike racing. You can call that an expensive toy, and of course it is. But compared to what people spend on other sports it's hardly at the extreme end - a bike is expensive but so is the combined salaries of a football team.

Re:This will probably kill people. (2)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 2 years ago | (#41917403)

perform techniques that are above their skill level

Not a rider, so I don't know, but if you perform the "technique" of turning, isn't that "your skill level?" How else do you learn to take a corner well, if not trying to corner well?

Re:This will probably kill people. (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#41917501)

You start slow and work your way up at your own pace. Racing against another's time is almost as good a way to get out of your comfort zone as racing against another person in realtime, except there's no passing moves to worry about.

Re:This will probably kill people. (2)

Walter White (1573805) | about 2 years ago | (#41918883)

One risk for riders is to follow someone more skillful than themselves. That can result in getting in over their head and resulting in a crash. I suppose that's the risk the GP alludes to.

OTOH, the app could simply satisfy someone's curiosity about their riding. I suspect I would discover that I don't lean near as far as I think I do. ;)

Re:This will probably kill people. (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about 2 years ago | (#41917557)

The idiots that ride without full armor and helmets? yes. But that's just Darwin. Luckily most tracks will not allow morons on the track without real gear.

Re:This will probably kill people. (1)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | about 2 years ago | (#41917977)

Only a fool judges and disrespects other people's belief system(s).

Re:This will probably kill people. (3, Insightful)

fche (36607) | about 2 years ago | (#41918025)

... including that belief system wherein one may judge and disrespect other people's belief system(s) ?

Re:This will probably kill people. (1)

fafaforza (248976) | about 2 years ago | (#41918115)

What sort of "techniques" are you talking about exactly? Do you think this app is designed to let you recreate the Tom Cruise front wheel one handed stoppie while rotating 180 degrees in order to shoot your uzi at the bad guys?

This is probably nothing more than an advanced lap timer, a data logger, which tells you where you are losing time _on_ _track_. This means, you're braking too early, or you're braking too late, going too deep into a corner resulting in a slow exit speed resulting in a slow top speed down the straight. Sports like F1 have been using stuff like this for years, and it's simply making its way to bikes. I think that for the most part, professional racers use their feel only to know where they're losing time.

Re:This will probably kill people. (1)

hawguy (1600213) | about 2 years ago | (#41918797)

I have the feeling that people are going to try using this to perform techniques that are above their skill level. They will probably die. Its awesome for racers who are trying to shave time off their laps, and who are in a controlled setting. For most riders, I think this will lead to a slight increase in fatalities.

Worse is that unless the app restricts data collection to known race tracks, some motorcyclists are going to use it on public streets to show the fastest "lap" and greatest lean angle on popular motorcycling routes. And when the motorcyclist exceeds his ability (or exceeds the safe speed limit on the road), he'll not only take out himself, but also an innocent driver or bicyclist on the road.

A similar app for bicycles that has a "king of the mountain" contest for the fastest time on bicycling routes has been blamed for encouraging a reckless bicyclist to mow down a pedestrian:

http://www.bicyclelaw.com/road-rights/a.cfm/road-rights-suing-strava [bicyclelaw.com]

Re:This will probably kill people. (1)

Stolpskott (2422670) | about 2 years ago | (#41919229)

For sure, there will be people using this app while on their bikes, who come off the bike and die or seriously injure themselves. There will also be a number of people blaming those deaths on the app (or the rider's use of the app). While I personally do not agree - my opinion is that any rider who dies or is injured in an accident while using this app are themselves to blame for the accident (assuming that no-one else is involved).
The app will not force you to carry extra speed into a corner, lean further, brake later, or use it on public roads. Those are choices made by the rider, who is/should be an adult, and therefore capable of taking responsibility for their own choices and the consequences that flow from them.

What would be really nice is if the app refuses to work if the GPS device on the phone does not show the phone as being on the grounds of a designated racing circuit. :)

AND BEST OF ALL BECOME AN ORGAN DONOR !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41916985)

Real fast !!

Re:AND BEST OF ALL BECOME AN ORGAN DONOR !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917103)

Apparently not; The damage that happens in most motor cycle accidents means they aren't even useful for that. What you really need are things which destroy the brain quickly and completely whilst leaving the heart still able to keep beating (external stimulation may be allowed?). Any suggestions for a sport like that we could make popular?

Re:AND BEST OF ALL BECOME AN ORGAN DONOR !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917207)

idk erotic auto-asphyxiation?

Re:AND BEST OF ALL BECOME AN ORGAN DONOR !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41918933)

Can't use the head. The rest is up for grabs.

Ok on the track maybe (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917009)

But on a road/highway? WTF are they smoking. Oh silly me, this came out of the land of 'Oz'. That explains it all.

I used to race bikes(1969-79), and even competed in the Manx GP and still ride almost every day. This is probably illegal already in many countries. Yes, I like to ride fast. My current bike(Street Triple) is capable of 150mph+ easily but I also like to ride safely.
Using this is a great was (as another poster has said) to become an orgen donor in very quick time.

Stupid idea if you ask me.

Re:Ok on the track maybe (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about 2 years ago | (#41917585)

Agreed, anyone riding fast on public streets is a complete moron. Unknown road surface, public roads are also nasty dirty with sand, dirt, and other things that makes them dangerous as hell at speed. Not to mention the people in cars and trucks who can barely drive.

But then the dummies I see lane splitting at 120 are not the ones wearing full gear but are the morons with flip flops, t shirt and shorts.

Re:Ok on the track maybe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41918389)

agreed, there are definitely idiots in cars and trucks that can barely drive. but its also not exactly there fault when they nearly hit or completely hit a motorcycle driver who is buzzing by at 120 either. they could easily have checked all of their mirrors and blind spots and saw nothing, and start moving over a lane without ever seeing the motorcycle, rightly so. i feel extremely horrible for responsible motorcycle drivers who and up in an accident caused by some other idiot who doesn't like to use blinkers or check their mirrors and blind spots. but i have no sympathy for motorcycle drivers who have no respect for the road.

Re:Ok on the track maybe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41918451)

I agree, been riding since 87 (not racing though) as has wife. We have Gpz900r, XJR1300, T509 Speed Triple, GS500E and a GS125 between us (1st 2 mine other 3 hers) and I can see no reason why this wou;ld be useful for a road rider and would I believe definately be illegal in France. Can you imagine Mad sunday on the island full of people who have looked at the data for the production TT for example

"If you adjust one little thing" (4, Funny)

Neil_Brown (1568845) | about 2 years ago | (#41917017)

Does the additional weight of a smartphone count as one little thing?

Re:"If you adjust one little thing" (5, Informative)

TwentyCharsIsNotEnou (1255582) | about 2 years ago | (#41917337)

Nope. A racing driver will test in many conditions, with various fuel loads being one of the main considerations. If they were actually to be so picky, they'd just reduce the fuel level by the weight of the phone.

Re:"If you adjust one little thing" (1)

Neil_Brown (1568845) | about 2 years ago | (#41917445)

Interesting — thank you.

Re:"If you adjust one little thing" (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 2 years ago | (#41918559)

But unless the phone is located in a the gas tank and has the same physical properties as gas, then the effect won't be the same. Gas tends to slosh around in the gas tank, especially as it empties, a phone would not slosh around. Ok, really I'm joking. You're The weight of the phone isn't going to make a lick of difference. The weight difference from the phone is peanuts compared to weight lost of burning gas or from sweating during the ride. Not to mention weight lost as the tires wear down. Which in a race is appreciable. The weight of the phone makes about as little difference as whether or not you just at a hamburger.

Re:"If you adjust one little thing" (1)

inline_four (594390) | about 2 years ago | (#41919203)

Adding a phone to a race bike does not affect anything in a meaningful way. It's not just a factor of mass, but where it's located and what it's doing. Since such a gadget is relatively light, does not move relative to the bike or suspension, and can be put almost anywhere, it's largely a non-factor. On a bike, where you are on the seat, where you are with your upper body, how you're anchored against the bike, and similar body-english considerations, as well as the fuel load, are much bigger factors than whether there's a few ounces of static mass tucked away somewhere in the middle of the machine.

Re:"If you adjust one little thing" (1)

6Yankee (597075) | about 2 years ago | (#41917559)

One more thing, surely...

Finally! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917073)

I've been waiting YEARS for this. I mean I remember, it must be like, 10 years ago, driving down a quiet country road and thinking to myself "You know, there's not nearly enough motorcyclists acting like utter dickheads on the roads. If only there was some way we could encourage them to act even more like reckless, irresponsible, testosterone-addled morons flushing their own and other peoples' lives down the fucking toilet, the world would be so much a better place."

Well, now we have it! Soon, we can bask in the glory of a world where motorcyclists can roar up and down the road outside my sleeping baby's bedroom even more loudly than before, can weave dangerously in and out of traffic with greater efficiency than ever, and can take dangerous, blind and slippery corners even faster than ever before.

At least there won't be a shortage of organ donors if I should ever need some spare parts.

Re:Finally! (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about 2 years ago | (#41917607)

Too bad you haven't been looking for it. There have been apps like this that give you a lot of the same info on iPhone for years. I have been running dynalicious on my phone since the iphone 3. no it does not do curve information, but if you cant feel that you botched the curve you have no right to be racing. the sensors in your phone are not as accurate as t he ones used by F1. so you will not get usable data if you dont already race and hit a Platteau on your lap times.

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41919413)

Wow, you really didn't read more than the first few words of the post you replied to did you?

Re:Finally! (1)

fafaforza (248976) | about 2 years ago | (#41918143)

You do realize that this app was developed for people riding on closed circuits, right?

The type of rider you describe already has a way to gauge their riding. And that's with chicken strips and top speed. They don't need an app to make them ride recklessly.

tech helps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917075)

but just like with people using cheats/aimbots in games, the main question is: what's the point of getting external help? Nobody might catch you but you are living a LIE.
Either it's you getting your bike ahead the others, and you are good, or you and something else are really in charge of driving, and you are not that good.

Of course in professional sports where all it matters is getting into the first places, everything that helps will be implemented. But then again, the opposite of the concept of sport IS professional sport...

Re:tech helps (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#41917319)

Then why not get rid of speedometers, section timing, and maybe tachs and fuel gauges too?

Re:tech helps (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about 2 years ago | (#41917613)

Many do. Almost no race bikes or race cars have a speedometer. Just one large Tach. And all tracks will black flag you for running a timer to check y our lap times. The drivers job is to drive not look at gauges.

Re:Michael Shuhmacher (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917689)

is the one of the few exceptions

he always races with a speedometer

Re:tech helps (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#41917741)

Many do. Almost no race bikes or race cars have a speedometer.

Almost none of the very serious purpose-built ones (although it's becoming less uncommon on more recently-built vehicles). Most of the vehicles actually going around a track, which are production-based, do.

And all tracks will black flag you for running a timer to check y our lap times.

For open track/HPDE that's true, but that's not really racing is it.

Re:tech helps (1)

LurkingSince1999 (2698703) | about 2 years ago | (#41918387)

And all tracks will black flag you for running a timer to check y our lap times.

For open track/HPDE that's true, but that's not really racing is it.

All the HPDEs I've been to allow data collection as long as it's not visible/accessible during your on-track sessions. None have set up a beacon for lap timing. I'm told that's a restriction of the liablilty insurance provider. During the motorcycle track days I've done, about 75% of participants run a lap timer. There is always a beacon set up.

Personally, I can't wait to try out this app on my next track day.

Re:tech helps (1)

tom17 (659054) | about 2 years ago | (#41917795)

And all tracks will black flag you for running a timer to check y our lap times.

What? Is this a USA thing? Just a certain class that you race in?

Every track I have ever raced on in the UK & Europe allows lap timing. Never heard of it being disallowed before.

Re:tech helps (2)

fafaforza (248976) | about 2 years ago | (#41918177)

Out of curiosity, what do you think this app actually does?

When a scientist uses a measuring device to better understand something that he couldn't understand fully with a naked eye, is he cheating? Living a lie? Are we as human beings big frauds because we use microscopes and know about things like bacteria and mold? Should we kill half our population because they should be dead from cholera and do not deserve to be here?

These are some confusing sentiments I'm reading on here regarding a simple data logging app...

So; just like Pirellis old app, "Diablo", then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917085)

He has copied a well known app from one of the biggest motorcycle tire manufacturers (that I have used for some time now).
app in appstore [apple.com]
IS THAT REALLY NEWS WORTHY OF /.?

Re:So; just like Pirellis old app, "Diablo", then? (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#41917327)

Hahaha it goes back waaaay further than that. There were apps like this for PalmOS devices. And of course even before that, there were the specialized data logging computers that did the same thing.

Motorcycles are loud enough already . . . (0)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 2 years ago | (#41917089)

. . . and now they will be augmented with the noise of iPhone fart apps?

An iPhone on a motorcycle . . . this could be the new Suicide Shift on Harleys!

Slashvertisement & Impending lawsuit (4, Informative)

nloop (665733) | about 2 years ago | (#41917119)

Really? A plug for a paid app? I feel like you're trolling me slashdot. The only possible reason I can see to post this is as prologue to an American lawsuit the first time a user dies using this app on a highway.

On a similar note, perhaps a story about the lawsuit against Strava [bicycleretailer.com] would be more appropriate? A free cycling gps app that has the ability to ghost race yourself, your friends, and strangers was sued for negligence when a user broke the laws of the road trying to win a virtual race and was killed in traffic. See what I did there? A piece of free software, most people own a bicycle, tricky legal questions arising from technology, more than just an add.

But hey, what do I know? I'm no Samzenpus!

Re:Slashvertisement & Impending lawsuit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917159)

You forgot to mention the prosthetic and completely unnecessary apostrophe in "sponsorship's". For fuck's sakes, I might as well gb2 /b/.

Re:Slashvertisement & Impending lawsuit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917197)

or the fact that the app isn't even available yet

Re:Slashvertisement & Impending lawsuit (4, Insightful)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about 2 years ago | (#41917291)

While I agree with your overall objection of this being neither newsworthy or anything more than an advertisement, the stub says that this is a track day app. I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't function on normal roads, just like the Nissan GTR disables a speed limiter only when you're on a track (by GPS location).

If it does work on the road, then maybe people should take some responsibility for their own actions and not race on the fucking road.

Re:Slashvertisement & Impending lawsuit (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#41917341)

To make it not-work on the road, you need a database of the coordinates of all the tracks in the world. If this were a few years ago I'd sure as hell expect that from a non-free app.

Re:Slashvertisement & Impending lawsuit (1)

gtirloni (1531285) | about 2 years ago | (#41917833)

Maybe they should. Except they never do and people die.

Re:Slashvertisement & Impending lawsuit (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about 2 years ago | (#41917995)

I'm all for people dying, as long as it's only those whose idiocy and lack of common sense put themselves in those dangerous situations. With any luck, they can be out of the way before they're put in charge of something where their reckless attitude has the potential to ruin the lives of other people, like working heavy machinery, or making financial investments.

Re:Slashvertisement & Impending lawsuit (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917579)

That's a bullshit lawsuit.

Fucking idiots.

The cyclist was the negligent one, not the training app, not the bike manufacturer, not the road surfacing company, not the street light company or anything else that might have factored into this persons decision to ride fast.

What was the argument? The device didn't tell the user that the laws of physics still apply? That the device didn't try and stop the user from zoning out and thinking they're in a game?

Fucking. Stupid.

As a developer who created a ghost running app, if someone pushed themselves too far because of how the music is fluctuating or a tone sounds, then fuck them. Running app uses GPS/pedometer, fluctuates music play to motivate, also warns you when lagging, and allows a more precise audio feedback of how far in front or behind your previous self you are. Ideally with micro-directional piezo emitter modeling (directional sound in earphones) I wanted to create the sound and sensation of your own footsteps chasing you. :p but, alas, fuck it. Well, at least it is here so no fuck will patent it.

Re:Slashvertisement & Impending lawsuit (4, Interesting)

pev (2186) | about 2 years ago | (#41917589)

Some of us quite like reading about interesting technology, especially those that ride motorcycles! It's also interesting to hear about lone developers working on things that were previously only in reach of professionals with large budgets i.e. race teams with money to spend. Oh, and of course theres a good healthy slice of physics involved too. Great stuff.

On another note, slashdot would be REALLY dull if it never mentioned products that you have to pay for! Of course if you don't like it, you can always filter your feed to only include open source stories and you'll be blissfully ignorant of the other stories...

Re:Slashvertisement & Impending lawsuit (1)

ed1park (100777) | about 2 years ago | (#41919619)

agreed! now time to dl that app and head to the track! B)

Re:Slashvertisement & Impending lawsuit (1)

thoth (7907) | about 2 years ago | (#41917779)

I think this is kinda cool, the creative/useful apps people make that use the power of the modern smartphone - accelerometers, GPS. Geez, just think that 20+ years ago the idea of having a small computer along to measure/record driving data, and then graph information, would have been a dream, stuff only for F1 racers with huge bucks. But no... most the reactions are legal piling on.

This country is messed up... most people can legally own guns (and the manufacturer of said guns have no liability for a person's actions, say they shoot their coworkers at a chicken processing plant), but an app writer that writes a data recording/visualization app has to deal with legal threats (when a careless user harms themself).

Re:Slashvertisement & Impending lawsuit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917915)

Thanks! I have been looking for something like Strava!

Re:Slashvertisement & Impending lawsuit (1)

MarkGriz (520778) | about 2 years ago | (#41918147)

Say what you will about Digg.com, but at least they offered the option to bury shit "stories" like this

Re: No need to lie (1)

LanceUppercut (766964) | about 2 years ago | (#41918805)

While this does bear certain similarities with Strava, there's no need to inject false information about the cyclist's death. The cyclist in question did not "break the laws of the road" and was not "killed in traffic". He died in a single-bicycle accident after losing control on a descent. Basically, he fell and got injured pretty badly.

Re: No need to lie (1)

sunderland56 (621843) | about 2 years ago | (#41918971)

The cyclist in question did not "break the laws of the road" and was not "killed in traffic".

From ABC News: [go.com]

The speed limit on the road is 30 mph, and Flint was clocked going over 40 mph down the hill. He had to brake suddenly in front of a car, causing his bike to flip over, fatally injuring him.

Re: No need to lie (2)

nloop (665733) | about 2 years ago | (#41918989)

He exceeded the posted speed limit by 10 mph then braked to avoid an oncoming car when he lost control. So yes, he both "broke the laws of the road" and was "killed in traffic."

http://bicycling.com/blogs/roadrights/2012/08/13/suing-strava/ [bicycling.com]

Re:Slashvertisement & Impending lawsuit (1)

sunderland56 (621843) | about 2 years ago | (#41918921)

To make the whole thing completely moronic: it's a plug for an app THAT ISN'T AVAILABLE YET.

I'm in their target market, and was interested enough to go to the app store to check it out.... and it's not there (that I could find). So now I'm ticked off that they wasted my time, and probably won't buy it if/when it comes out.

Auspicious Beginnings (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917169)

Hooking up with an Italian guy who likes to ride is the best start to any project

but it wont.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917299)

help you find and pick up hot biker chicks in bikinis.

therefore worthless

Re:but it wont.. (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#41917351)

Just slap a Ducati or Aprilia sticker on your Jap bike. Win/win! :D

Re:but it wont.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917697)

Please, my R6 kicks Ducati ass, no way I'd deface it with a Ducati sticker

Re:but it wont.. (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 2 years ago | (#41917873)

But you could kick their ass AND take the ass they were going to get! Think about it!

Re:but it wont.. (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about 2 years ago | (#41919661)

Not if you're trying to pick up women. Women want Harleys -- they tell me that a Harley is the world's best vibrator. She'll get her rocks off before she ever gets of the bike.

And die younger (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917335)

Some people don't think it through. Otherwise the article would have this posts title at the end of that enumeration in its title.

New evidence for speeding violations... coming up! (2, Interesting)

LostMonk (1839248) | about 2 years ago | (#41917345)

Do you really want your smartphone collecting information about you when you're fooling around on your bike? more evidence your for future speeding tickets? I can already see court orders waiting in line for the company's data.

Re:New evidence for speeding violations... coming (1)

langelgjm (860756) | about 2 years ago | (#41917839)

Actually, I often turn on My Tracks to log my motorcycle rides in the hope that, if I am pulled over, the GPS evidence could conceivably help my case. Something like, "Your honor, the only reason I exceeded the posted speed limit at that time was to pass a car that was driving erratically," and then show your GPS records to offer some evidence in your support.

Obviously there's no obligation on the part of the judge to take your evidence seriously, but in traffic court I doubt it could hurt. And if it doesn't help my case, I don't have to bring it up.

Re:New evidence for speeding violations... coming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41919137)

Your honor, the only reason I exceeded the posted speed limit at that time was to pass a car that was driving erratically,

Does that excuse actually fly? I would expect the response would have been, "You could have slowed down to put some distance between you, or if you were really concerned about being near them, pull over and wait 5 minutes."

Re:New evidence for speeding violations... coming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41918117)

I like to drive, and fairly regularly drive faster than the posted limit where road and conditions allow it safely, but I've had family members serious injured by seriously bad drivers who have escaped prosecution due to lack of evidence.

What I would like is if all vehicles were fitted with a black box that kept a buffer of the last 5 minutes telemetry (even up to dash cam/interior cameras). Then if you're in a crash or hit a pedestrian, saves it to some write-once memory that the insurance company/police can take a copy of. That way we could completely end the stupidity of arbitrary speed limit enforcement, not have to worry about pervasive surveillance, AND come down very hard on anyone who causes accidents by driving like a moron, regardless of what speed they were doing.

dot, dot, dot (1)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | about 2 years ago | (#41917353)

...Crash Faster (freeing up the road for non-adrenaline addicts that aren't emotional twelve-year olds)

Expect a Civil Lawsuit! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917413)

Even though the app isn't responsible for a death, you can expect civil lawsuits from the families of the deceased. This app promotes the dangerous behavior that got them, or someone else, killed.

That said, I wrote a similar app for my phone. I don't sell it and I only show my results to people I know.

Not really functional (-1, Troll)

argStyopa (232550) | about 2 years ago | (#41917623)

I look forward to seeing more motorcycle drivers using this app.

Because until Google Maps comes out with a 'random gravel or sand on the roadway' update to their mapping, this will pretty much just generate extra donor organs and probably bargain-basement bike parts.

Which, on the whole, is useful.

Two wheels (2)

rossdee (243626) | about 2 years ago | (#41917627)

All you have to do is hit a patch of gravel in the middle of a corner, or wet lane markings or something spilled on the road...Even small animals can be a problem

Theres only a small patch of rubber that is keeping you from hitting the road at high speed

Been there done that have the scars...

probably does not work (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41917715)

The one thing about good race-car drivers is that they know when and for how long they can exceed the cornering limits in their vehicle. For some corners, sliding a little through the corner is faster than staying within traction limits. Google recently time-trialed a drive-by-computer vehicle against a human-driven one; the human driver was able to out-perform the automated one.

This software at best will identify when the bike is not being taken to the limits of traction, the best racers know when the limits can be exceeded.

BTW, since I am human, I must be biased.

sponsorship's (1)

NikeHerc (694644) | about 2 years ago | (#41917745)

From TFS: "With sponsorship's so hard to find and I need another way to survive."

If I were you, I wouldn't consider teaching English.

Re:sponsorship's (1)

fafaforza (248976) | about 2 years ago | (#41918239)

If I were you, I'd make sure my nose hair was trimmed properly. Don't want to have people seeing directly into your upturned nostrils being disgusted by the sight.

Re:sponsorship's (1)

PPH (736903) | about 2 years ago | (#41919105)

But there are some openings for Slashdot editors.

eI thank you for your time (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41918105)

the wind appea(red direct orders, or You. The tireless

hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41918483)

i'll wait for the google goggles version

Few problems (1)

Ryn (9728) | about 2 years ago | (#41918601)

These apps pop up every once in a while. Unless your phone GPS is really accurate, you run into: - Accuracy problems on your raceline using inaccucate GPS. These require an external GPS unit - I don't give a damn about my "lean angle" - I do care about accurate tracking of throttle and brake sensors which this app lacks The last point is really what the expensive units like GPX Pro deliver: you can overlay your brake/throttle zones on the GPS data of the track, and replay your laps, looking for places to improve (brake later/deeper) Not to mention that crashing with a phone on your bike makes for a more expensive crash.

This is why ... (0)

PPH (736903) | about 2 years ago | (#41919223)

... I have bull bars on the front of my truck. They keep the crazy bikers/cyclists from damaging my radiator or flipping up into my windshield.

Re:This is why ... (1)

arisvega (1414195) | about 2 years ago | (#41919549)

... I have bull bars on the front of my truck. They keep the crazy bikers/cyclists from damaging my radiator ..

Let me guess: you tried lasers and got sued?

Riding One's self. (1)

arisvega (1414195) | about 2 years ago | (#41919589)

developing it with an Italian guy who also likes to ride himself

When I can overcome the topological inconveniences, I ride myself quite often myself.

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