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Cisco VP To Memo Leaker: Finding You Now 'My Hobby'

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the like-a-bad-movie dept.

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netbuzz writes "A Cisco vice president, who happens to have been a CIA operations officer in the 1980s, believes that the employee who recently leaked an internal company memo to a blogger committed corporate treason and violated a 'family' trust. In an email sent to Cisco employees, the executive invites the anonymous leaker to come clean, concedes that's unlikely, and adds, 'so I will now make (finding) you my hobby. Ask around (and) you will find out that I like to work on my hobbies.' That email got leaked and published as well. The tempest was sparked by a series of stories in Network World examining a host of bidding and contract questions involving the California higher education system."

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312 comments

Jimmies Rustled (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925345)

This is why VPs are overpaid children

Re:Jimmies Rustled (5, Interesting)

19thNervousBreakdown (768619) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925921)

So wait, the Internet Toughguy act isn't a cool grown-up thing to do?

You'd think a CIA super-spy would have some neat tracking tricks in a guaranteed-to-be-leaked memo, but a visual inspection of the code shows nada, and as for hidden Unicode characters: nope [dotnetpad.net] . It'd be interesting to get multiple copies of the memo from different places to compare, but there's nothing suspicious I can see there.

The thing about confidential information is, there's no such thing at all once you go beyond 10 people or so. More like 3-4 can, maybe, sometimes, keep a secret, but that's pushing it. 2 people knowing a thing is great, because if you didn't tell, you know who did, and 1 is the best of all. There's plenty of ways of getting the behavior you want out of people without being so vulgar as to actually tell them things. He's really got no one to blame but himself for both of the leaks. You think company loyalty exists these days? Hah! I'm sure you'd sell Cisco out in a heartbeat if you saw a profit in it, why do you think your employees, many of whom actually know what it's like to struggle, are any different? You'd think a black-ops specialist would know that, but, obviously, nope.

And the real tricky thing about threats is, you absolutely, positively, must carry them through, or your future threats will mean (less than) nothing. In fact, if you don't already have the proverbial gun to someone's head (preferably without them knowing it's there), it's best not to make the threat at all, although that does take some self-control, which I understand can be a rare commodity in upper-management, and maybe best saved for more important occasions. Although a credible threat can be absolutely terrifying, silence from someone who has a reason to hate you is a lot scarier than hollow chest-thumping. You'd think such an intimidating beast would know that, 20 years after working for the CIA. Time will tell, but I'm guessing that once again the answer will be a big fat nope.

Of course, I'm no 007, I learned all this playing a silly internet spaceships game and reading fantasy books. I imagine this spook knows what he's doing, and we're all dancing on the puppetmaster's strings.

Better hobbies. (2)

Xenx (2211586) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925351)

I can definitely think of some better hobbies..

Fat Boy has James Bond Wet Dream (4, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925501)

Film at 11.

Re:Better hobbies. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925581)

I had been playing Everquest for over a decade and quit playing because it became too much of a job. To fill the time I did DSL tech support part time, it was definitely more entertaining than EQ was at the time.

Dead giveaway (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925359)

The email is a dead giveaway that they dont have shit on the person who leaked it. If I were the person that leaked it, I would be rejoicing right now.

Re:Dead giveaway (5, Insightful)

Midnight_Falcon (2432802) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925411)

The AC is right..he sent out this e-mail, and now is waiting for the potentially paranoid person to start making mistakes, acting nervous, or otherwise creating suspicion on themselves by trying to move suspicion away from themselves.

He also sent out the email to discourage any other Cisco employees from potentially engaging in leaking as well. Or, to stop the current leaker from leaking by injecting paranoia.
Had they any leads or information, this step would not have been necessary. The other employees would have been discouraged from leaking by the fact the leaker was busted, exposed, and their career ruined.

Re:Dead giveaway (5, Funny)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925579)

Looks like someone is going to be on double secret probation.

Re:Dead giveaway (0)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925733)

Lol, wish I had mod points left for this, x-CIA people tend to be unpleasant to deal with typically... Oh well, maybe one day they'll teach them that American citizens aren't Ruskies, or Al Queda.

Re:Dead giveaway (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925901)

And I bet it will go on to his permanent record.

Re:Dead giveaway (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925429)

The email is a dead giveaway that they dont have shit on the person who leaked it. If I were the person that leaked it, I would be rejoicing right now.

And if I DID have something on the person who leaked it, I'd go for the double-bluff just to piss off the super-savvy who think they know everything.

Re:Dead giveaway (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925493)

The email is a dead giveaway that they dont have shit on the person who leaked it. If I were the person that leaked it, I would be rejoicing right now.

and more than likely, it is installed permenantly in the systems using an hijack id .. it would be really funny if it was done using the VP's credentials :-)

Re:Dead giveaway (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925617)

The second email is a trap, each email sent to employees had a slightly different spelling.

Re:Dead giveaway (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925737)

Pfft, every email sent by senior management is a trap. Usually it's read it -> lose sanity.

Re:Dead giveaway (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925787)

Easily fixed, just run spellcheck before forwarding.

Re:Dead giveaway (2)

Mephistophocles (930357) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925863)

Better, change the spelling of 5 or 6 random words (not correctly), and/or remove/add some punctuation. Always a good habit to do that when you're in a whistle-blowing position, even if you think your anonymity is bulletproof.

Re:Dead giveaway (5, Funny)

Antipater (2053064) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925639)

The email is a dead giveaway that they dont have shit on the person who leaked it. If I were the person that leaked it, I would be rejoicing right now.

But you would have guessed that that would be my reaction - you would have counted on it! So I can CLEARLY not choose the wine in front of me!

Re:Dead giveaway (5, Funny)

Chris Mattern (191822) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925711)

Little do you know that the Cisco VP has spent the last few years building up an immunity to iocaine powder.

Re:Dead giveaway (1)

GSloop (165220) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925825)

Inconceivable!

Re:Dead giveaway (1)

greg1104 (461138) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925913)

Cisco has unwisely been fighting a land war in Asia [forbes.com] too.

Re:Dead giveaway (2, Insightful)

Jeng (926980) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925641)

True he might not have anything on him at the time that he sent the email, but he may have something now.

If fat face is smart he sent a slightly different email to each department to narrow down his list of suspects.

Re:Dead giveaway (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925709)

Only works if person who leaked first email is the same person who leaked the second email.

Re:Dead giveaway (1)

Mephistophocles (930357) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925883)

Doesn't matter; either way that's a lead - and, I'll bet, more than he has now.

Re:Dead giveaway (1)

0101000001001010 (466440) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925729)

True he might not have anything on him at the time that he sent the email, but he may have something now.

If fat face is smart he sent a slightly different email to each department to narrow down his list of suspects.

I would hope the leaker would be smart enough not to leak this email. Presumably it was leaked somewhere else since it was sent to a large number of employees.

Re:Dead giveaway (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925731)

Obviously you don't have children.

Re:Dead giveaway (2)

danceswithtrees (968154) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925793)

Doesn't quite fit the meme but here goes:

1. Would send out a slightly different version of the letter (misspell a word, transpose words, different punctuation, white space, etc) to each person disguised as a mass/group email.
2. Find out which version is leaked and trace back to the individual.
3. Profit!

Re:Dead giveaway (4, Interesting)

dougmc (70836) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925861)

1. Write software to do steps #1 and #2 automatically
2. Sell said software.
3. Profit!

I actually suggested this to my employer a decade ago when they had a similar problem with a leaked memo, and they said "thanks" but never followed up on it. I haven't gone looking, but I'll bet there's software out there that does it already.

Re:Dead giveaway (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925895)

> The email is a dead giveaway that they dont have shit on the person who leaked it. If I were the person that leaked it, I would be rejoicing right now.

Or he sent out different copies of the email, knowing it'd get leaked, to compartmentalize where in the hierarchy the leak occurred.

dude thinks hes liam neeson? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925373)

cool

Re:dude thinks hes liam neeson? (2)

A bsd fool (2667567) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925517)

Click link. See photo. Conclude guy is decidedly NOT Liam, and his hobbies are probably... illegal in most states.

Re:dude thinks hes liam neeson? (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925625)

Either Liam Neeson or The Terminator.

"He 'will' find you!! That's ALL he does!!!"

Re:dude thinks hes liam neeson? (1)

A bsd fool (2667567) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925723)

He's Jack Byrnes, at best. From the looks of it, he can feed the baby just fine without the discomfort of having to buy and explain the *fake* tits.

Re:dude thinks hes liam neeson? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925755)

"He 'will' find you!! That's ALL he does!!!"

- And then?

What then?

- What's he gonna do when he's found me?

Nothing. He 'will' find you! That's ALL he does!

- Ah, OK, stupid machines...

Re:dude thinks hes liam neeson? (2)

booyoh (2511204) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925547)

LOL! My thoughts exactly! Here is the quote for those unfamiliar with the movie Taken: "I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my daughter go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you and I will kill you."

Re:dude thinks hes liam neeson? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925585)

Replace: "If you let my daughter go" with "If you resign" and "kill" with "fire"

Good Luck (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925695)

Click.

Awesome. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925377)

Popcorn obtained. This will be good.

Corporate treason (2)

GeneralTurgidson (2464452) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925381)

I thought IronPort has a pre canned filter for "leaking memos". I could never fine tune that product though, apparently Cisco can't either.

Not impressed. (5, Insightful)

Animats (122034) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925393)

If this guy had really been a good CIA ops officer, he would have said nothing until he knew who the leaker was.

Re:Not impressed. (2)

burni2 (1643061) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925491)

Yep,

also a totally transparent tactic to possibly lure the leaker out or scare the hell out of him, that his "Angst" sweat and actions will expose him.

@Leaker
- you are safe
- go with the rest, follow the swarm,
- shut up (no second Manning case please)
- don't ask, don't tell what your hobbies are !

Re:Not impressed. (5, Funny)

kenorland (2691677) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925629)

If he had been a good CIA ops, perhaps he'd still be working for the CIA.

Re:Not impressed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925941)

Yeah, he kind of sounds like some sort of impotent asshole. And keep on sending exciting emails which are going to get immediately leaked for my amusement.

Re:Not impressed. (1)

CODiNE (27417) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925685)

And he would have subtly tweaked the message for each employee to find out who leaks the new one.

Re:Not impressed. (2)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925717)

And he would have subtly tweaked the message for each employee to find out who leaks the new one.

Probably someone who doesn't read Tom Clancy?

Really? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925395)

I'd think his hobby would be more along the lines of "eating cake among other things."

Re:Really? (4, Funny)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925443)

No, no. That looks like his full time job.

Assuming said leaker no longer works for Cisco... (1)

sconeu (64226) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925409)

What's the worst this asshat can legally do to him?

Re:Assuming said leaker no longer works for Cisco. (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925463)

Cry in a press release about it. Not name names either, as with out absolute proof that would open him up to defamation.

Re:Assuming said leaker no longer works for Cisco. (1)

yurtinus (1590157) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925473)

Legally? Probably fire him. Probably pursue some civil action for breach of contract (I'm sure there's something in there for proprietary information).

Of course, I am not a lawyer, but I like to pretend I'm on on Slashdot.

Re:Assuming said leaker no longer works for Cisco. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925687)

Someone that high can do a lot of things:

1: Ensure that the person can no longer work in the industry.

2: Press criminal charges for unauthorized use of computer equipment with a felony-hard amount of data "destroyed". That in itself will ensure the leaker will never work in any industry again other than truck driving, or tattoo artistry. Someone that high at Cisco can snap their fingers, and the local DA *will* get arrest warrants out. They will, or next election year, they won't have work. Judges tend to rubber stamp what the DA alleges (or also find themselves out of work), so most likely the guy will be convicted and handed a big sentence as an example.

3: Cisco can withhold support or authorization that the leaker works at subsequently. No OS updates, no patches, no authorization, no added upgrades, until that company fires the leaker.

There are a ton of strings that can be pulled. May not be legal, but it is like claiming right of way as a pedestrian when in front of an 18 wheeler.

How about (5, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925413)

Cisco firing and downsizing whenever they see fit? how does that fit into your dumbass view of:

"committed corporate treason and violated a 'family' trust. "?

Also, look up treason.

Re:How about (1)

YodasEvilTwin (2014446) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925553)

Look up "corporate". It may have been hyperbolic, but he contextualized the meaning appropriately.

Re:How about (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925627)

appropriately

I don't think that word means what you think it means, you language rapist.

Jimmies Rustled (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925431)

This just shows why VPs are overpaid children.

My hobby (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925445)

And my hobby is getting First Posts.

Re:My hobby (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925527)

Looks like you need to find a new hobby.

Cisco's VP's a gangster? Color me surprised. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925447)

Said no one. Ever.

W

Threat (1)

Culture20 (968837) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925449)

Coming from a CIA-man, that's less of a promise, and more of a threat.

Memos (3, Funny)

game kid (805301) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925457)

In an email sent to Cisco employees, the executive invites the anonymous leaker to come clean, concedes that's unlikely, and adds, 'so I will now make (finding) you my hobby. Ask around (and) you will find out that I like to work on my hobbies.

Quinn then underscored his point in a second less widely-distributed memo, in which he added, "I'm all out of gum." Roddy Piper did not immediately return our calls for comment.

Re:Memos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925907)

In an email sent to Cisco employees, the executive invites the anonymous leaker to come clean, concedes that's unlikely, and adds, 'so I will now make (finding) you my hobby. Ask around (and) you will find out that I like to work on my hobbies.

Quinn then underscored his point in a second less widely-distributed memo, in which he added, "I'm all out of gum." Roddy Piper did not immediately return our calls for comment.

Put on the special glasses and you will see all of the leaked memos that "They" don't want you to see.

Where's wally? (2)

FatLittleMonkey (1341387) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925459)

I doubt Mike Quinn could find his own penis.

I'm going to make Mike Quinn my hobby (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925465)

OK, well... I thought I was having fun with building model trains and occasional skydiving...but I've decided to make Mike Quinn, Cisco VP my hobby.

I'm going to make some little Mike Quinn action figures and paint them. Then, I'm going to pose them in different ways together and take pictures of them and post them on Facebook.

Cisco needs to keep their VPs on shorter leashes (5, Insightful)

WaffleMonster (969671) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925481)

Kind of creepy to hear of "ex" CIA officers in top Cisco positions... advertising this must do wonders for foreign (and domestic) sales...

And ah... continually beating wardrums about an issue which only *reminds* customers of cost issues with Cisco products and services is no winning proposition for Cisco either.

Re:Cisco needs to keep their VPs on shorter leashe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925809)

He's an ex-CIA guy, wow. So, he's really good at smuggling cocaine? And selling weapons to dictators?

Re:Cisco needs to keep their VPs on shorter leashe (2)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925887)

I doubt he was that good at it. Probably he was a manager at the CIA which means he needs help to find his own ass. There are plenty of talented people in Government service but almost none of them ever make it to management.

Re:Cisco needs to keep their VPs on shorter leashe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925889)

The head of Huawei use to be in the PLA... Is that more or less 'creepy'?

I DID IT (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925511)

I DID IT. I AM SPARTICUS!

Time to reconsider my choice of router vendor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925519)

Not much more to say on that.

Leaker Bitch Slaps NeckBeard VP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925521)

Mr. Neckbeard got told when the leaker leaked his threatening email.

What now Mr. Neckbeard?

LOL

Quinn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925531)

Certainly doesn't look very healthy.

Are you there Barbara, it's me, a Cisco VP (2)

preaction (1526109) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925535)

I remembered nothing about this leaked memo, but now that someone's all angry about it, I'm going to go find out as much as possible. Thanks Cisco VP for helping me find some entertainment!

A very particular set of skills... (5, Funny)

TimHunter (174406) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925543)

"I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my daughter go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you."

lol (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925549)

what a fat fucking loser

CIA Operations Officer! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925555)

Yeah right! Still lives at home in his Mother's basement. Douche!

Violation of Contract vs. Free Speech (1)

fleebait (1432569) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925591)

The Repression of free speech by governments is one thing, and I agree with it.

Violation of Contract, or agreement is quite another, and has nothing to do with free speech. If I were to speak publicly about the internal workings of my company, I would fully expect to get canned, or be civilly fined for violating a trust. I would expect no protection for something like this.

Many people seem to have no understanding of the difference.

Jim

Re:Violation of Contract vs. Free Speech (4, Informative)

Nadaka (224565) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925741)

If you were to expose criminal activity, either negligence or malicious you SHOULD expect protection.

Its called being a wistleblower, and its very important.

Re:Violation of Contract vs. Free Speech (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925751)

You agree with the repression of free speech by governments? What is the matter with you?!!

Re:Violation of Contract vs. Free Speech (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925779)

Many people are not one fire.

The Repression of free speech by governments is one thing, and I agree with it.

I don't agree with it. I think repression of free speech by governments is wrong.

Violation of Contract, or agreement is quite another, and has nothing to do with free speech. Many people seem to have no understanding of the difference.

I don't see a single person representing your strawman. Not in the article, summary or in any comments did anyone, other than you, mention free speech.

Useless move... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925601)

Here's another potential outcome of making a threat: now if he fails to find the culprit, everyone will know he's not really someone to be feared.

He better hope he's not in for a lesson.

Unless there's multiple copies (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925615)

It's all part of the plan.

Step 1. Create document with core searchable text and hundreds of subtle variations
Step 2. Release to different people tracking which person was sent which variation.
Step 3. Search web until you find leak via the core searchable text.
Step 4. Identify the leak (or at least know the first link in the source path).

I'd expect nothing less from ex-NSA, but then we'd never know would we?
Ex-CIA? I hope so.

What if the email is a trap? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925619)

If this VP were really clever, he would take his "rant" email and find 15-20 places to make small variations in it (capitalization/spelling/grammar mistakes). Then send out unique but almost indistinguishable variations to each employee. The one that ends up on the interweb finds you a leak in your org - it may not be the *original* leak, but there is a good chance...

American executives vs Europeans (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925621)

I thought long and hard about posting this question as I do not want it to become an anti-American circlejerk.

Can someone comment on the different executive culture between US and other first world countries like Germany, Canada, UK?

Based on my limited interaction, I feel that one finds more alpha male like characters in US than Canada and European. Non USian executives are more conscious of not behaving like dicks and I wonder if that is more tied to employee protection laws or if it is more of a cultural thing

Bush league execs (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925675)

Stay classy, Cisco.

Duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925683)

"Corporate Treason". Yeah, it only exists when it's done *to them*, right?

Really a company-wide email? (4, Funny)

mattbee (17533) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925697)

...or did he send a very slightly differently punctuated/spaced email to every employee, just to see which version ended up leaked? I'm pretty sure that's what Bruce Schneier would do.

Re:Really a company-wide email? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925927)

I had that same thought. That is exactly what I would have done.

Who does this asshole think he is? (5, Insightful)

erp_consultant (2614861) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925721)

Typical corporate jackass. Trying to throw around his (considerable) weight with veiled threats. Yeah, donut boy, I'm sure the memo leaker is just quivering in his boots right about now. If you were a Cisco employee what would you be thinking right about now? I know what I'd be thinking. I'd be thinking I'm not going to work for an idiot like that. Maybe donut boy still thinks he's in the CIA. Maybe he gets off on stupid little power trips. Maybe his wife treats him like shit and the only way he can get back is to take it out on the people he works with. Maybe he's just a fucking loser.

Re:Who does this asshole think he is? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925893)

Maybe you're correct about all of your suggestions. Plus, he hates himself because he's fat so he lashes out at people.

LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925727)

That fat sack of crap couldn't find his dick with both hands, let alone whoever leaked his dirty laundry.

Laughable (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925739)

The only thing that fat stupid prick looks like he can find is a fucking truckload of donuts. Fuck you fat fuck. You have no fucking balls and you're stupid. Come find me. See what happens you walking set of dude titties.

Am I the only one? (1)

gatfirls (1315141) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925753)

Who heard that email in Cheetos crunching comic book guy voice?

Re:Am I the only one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925819)

Worst. VP. Ever.

that constitutes harassment and threatening behavi (3, Interesting)

swschrad (312009) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925827)

both of which are generally seen as dangerous behavior by HR types, and policy manuals generally, like those in my outfit, add that such actions are subject to discipline up to and including termination.

make it your hobby, pinhead, to discover which dictionary definition of "termination" you are going to be facing.

Re:that constitutes harassment and threatening beh (2)

Velex (120469) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925897)

Uh.. this guy's a VP. You know, the class of people for whom macho outbursts like this are encouraged.

Threatening and intimidating (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925851)

Sounds like threatening and intimidating behavior to me. I don't think we can allow this sort of pathological corporate behavior go unchecked. And former CIA? All the more reason to be concerned.

About that "family trust" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925859)

Is that the same "family trust" that fires 10% of workers yearly?

Why does he care? (2)

hawguy (1600213) | about a year and a half ago | (#41925877)

If this is the "leaked memo": http://www.bradreese.com/blog/11-1-2012.htm [bradreese.com]

well...it says nothing of any substance, and it looks generic enough that it was sent to the entire internal sales team, so there are hundreds if not thousands of people that could have "leaked it". But surely a Cisco VP knows that you can't send something to thousands of people and not expect it to be leaked.

Certainly doesn't seem like it's enough to make a VP get all worked up about.

I don't see anything in the memo that Cisco couldn't have published on their home page.

Bye Cisco! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925903)

Bye then, Cisco.

intestinal fortitude (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41925919)

"should now have the intestinal fortitude to stand up and admit that they did this, then resign."

If by "intestinal fortitude" you mean "guts", nice try. You underestimate the intelligence of your employees. Just admit you're too cheap to pay redundancy. If this employee is going down legally, it will be with unemployment benefit, i.e. you'll have to fire rather than hope for self-incrimination.

Posted as AC for obvious reasons: Entertainment value!

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