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Foxconn Denies Plans For New US Operations

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the wishful-thinking dept.

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pigrabbitbear writes with an update to the story, based on a DigiTimes report, that iPhone maker Foxconn would be opening a new factory in the U.S. "Foxconn makes a lot of stuff, but as it's one of Apple primary manufacturing partners, lots of people jumped to the salacious conclusion that a U.S.-based Foxconn factory could finally produce an American-made iPhone. Foxconn denied the DigiTimes report today. A company spokeswoman told CNET that the company actually 'already has multiple facilities based in the U.S.' but that 'there are no current plans to expand our operations there at this time.' Foxconn doesn't make iPhones in the existing U.S. factories, and they don't plan to."

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WINDOWS PHONE 8 IS OUT NOW (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41938991)

There is no more need to flood the world with inferior ICrap.
Nokia will recapture there market, while it gives android a well deserved kick in the head.

Re:WINDOWS PHONE 8 IS OUT NOW (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939031)

It looks like you got a kick in the head at some point...

Re:WINDOWS PHONE 8 IS OUT NOW (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939053)

ps. frist!

Re:WINDOWS PHONE 8 IS OUT NOW (1)

Alex Belits (437) | about 2 years ago | (#41940659)

Shut up, Elop, and jump off your burning platform like you preached.

A "salacious" report? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939003)

...really?

Re:A "salacious" report? (4, Informative)

Tim the Gecko (745081) | about 2 years ago | (#41939343)

But of course!

1. lustful or lecherous.

2. (of writings, pictures, etc.) obscene; grossly indecent.

Some people harbor the fallacious belief that Slashdot has editors.

slightly off-topic (5, Interesting)

tloh (451585) | about 2 years ago | (#41939005)

I've always been curious why the manufacturing outfit is named "FOX"conn. In Chinese folklore, (which is apolitical and applies equally to mainland as well as Taiwan) foxes have a notorious reputation as agents of evil. In stories, the fox spirit, "hu li jin" often takes human form as a young, nubile, seductress and sets out to corrupt scholars and governing officials. Or maybe I'm reading too much into it. Afterall, the most successful tech company stateside is named after the fruit that caused Man's expulsion from paradise according to the bible.

Re:slightly off-topic (4, Interesting)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about 2 years ago | (#41939115)

I am not sure if you can really split up a word like that. But in answer to your question, fox is known for in cunningness (it is the same as the west).

Re:slightly off-topic (4, Funny)

jhoegl (638955) | about 2 years ago | (#41939539)

Except the Fox News.
When the Fox News is seen in the wild, it shows its ability to ignore all threats by assuming it is the alpha of everything around it.
It is an interesting defense mechanism which seems to work on 47% of the people in the USA.

Re:slightly off-topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41945403)

Fox News is named that because it had its basis in 20th Century Fox, which came from Fox Film Corporation, founded by William Fox, whose name was changed form Wilhelm Fuchs by Ellis Island immigration officials when his family came to the US from Hungary.

Re:slightly off-topic (2)

WGFCrafty (1062506) | about 2 years ago | (#41940089)

Except in many American Indian's folklore where they are evil and thought to be the animal embodiment of shape-shifters/Indian sorcerers.

Re:slightly off-topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939121)

truth in advertising, perhaps?

Re:slightly off-topic (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939123)

What company is named "Fruit of The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil"?

Re:slightly off-topic (1)

Quasimodem (719423) | about 2 years ago | (#41939249)

You don't mean Zune, do you?

Re:slightly off-topic (4, Funny)

martin-boundary (547041) | about 2 years ago | (#41939551)

Come on, AAPLy some common sense!

to the fairest (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939901)

I put a Golden Apple of Discord on my laptop. But I doubt your average person makes the connection.

Re:to the fairest (1)

nevillethedevil (1021497) | about 2 years ago | (#41940923)

All hail crab newburg

Re:slightly off-topic (1)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | about 2 years ago | (#41944173)

Yggdrasil. Now give me the money!

Re:slightly off-topic (5, Informative)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about 2 years ago | (#41939459)

Uh, hello, because "FOX"conn is the English name of a Chinese company? It's just a trade name. In Chinese it means something like "wealthy healthy scholar technology group". The company's real name is Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., Ltd. where Hon is a kind of goose and Hai means ocean. Jeez, for someone who supposedly thinks a lot, you sure don't do much thinking outside the box.

Re:slightly off-topic (1, Offtopic)

tloh (451585) | about 2 years ago | (#41939727)

Think a lot doesn't necessary mean think profound or even think sensible. :-p It's Friday and I've got nothing better to do. Damn, slashdot! I can't believe you gave my brain fart a +5 interesting. Does this mean I'm really good or really bad at trolling?

Re:slightly off-topic (0)

crutchy (1949900) | about 2 years ago | (#41940495)

i'm usually disappointed in my slashdot comments if they don't start a troll flight.... bring it on :)

microsoft rulz ok

iphone sucks dick

google is evil

i love justin bieber!

Re:slightly off-topic (1)

Alex Belits (437) | about 2 years ago | (#41940671)

/b/ never was good.

Re:slightly off-topic (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about 2 years ago | (#41946743)

if i sniff enough crack and paint fumes, smoke enough hooch and drink enough gas, his voice sounds like angels...

Re:slightly off-topic (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 2 years ago | (#41941145)

Think a lot doesn't necessary mean think profound or even think sensible. :-p It's Friday and I've got nothing better to do. Damn, slashdot! I can't believe you gave my brain fart a +5 interesting. Does this mean I'm really good or really bad at trolling?

Points deserved. I have also sometimes thought about the origins of the company's name, thanks for bringing it into the discussion.

Re:slightly off-topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41941179)

Err... Don't know what translator you used but Hon (é) actually means vast/huge/enormous, so "Hon Hai" literally means vast ocean.

Re:slightly off-topic (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about 2 years ago | (#41943901)

"Hon" is the character for bird next to water. The meaning is a swan, or goose.

Re:slightly off-topic (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about 2 years ago | (#41943947)

It was still named by a chinese speaker though. If Fox was evil in chinese folklore, no way would they have named it foxconn.

Re:slightly off-topic (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939507)

It has nothing to do with foxes, look at the name in Chinese. Fushikang, which sounded like Foxconn to some Taiwanese secretary with half-assed English skills. Probably I was her teacher and banging her back in the early 90s in Taipei. http://www.foxconn.com/images/Foxconn.gif [foxconn.com]

Re:slightly off-topic (0)

crutchy (1949900) | about 2 years ago | (#41940509)

fox network is a con.... maybe fox should sue foxconn for ripping off both their name and reputation

Re:slightly off-topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41940805)

To this, my friend, the elves know not the answer.

Re:slightly off-topic (1)

theswimmingbird (1746180) | about 2 years ago | (#41939517)

To be fair, he circumvented the Apple's DRM protection. They didn't much like that.

Re:slightly off-topic (4, Informative)

Scarletdown (886459) | about 2 years ago | (#41939583)

Afterall, the most successful tech company stateside is named after the fruit that caused Man's expulsion from paradise according to the bible.

There are no references within canon Christian or Jewish mythology that identifies what the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil actually was.

Going full circle back to the fox (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 2 years ago | (#41940501)

There are no references within canon

That's OK, because there are plenty of references in Kanon to marrying fox spirits manifesting as teenage girls.

Re:slightly off-topic (4, Interesting)

_xeno_ (155264) | about 2 years ago | (#41940761)

Although there is a reason that apples are identified as that fruit: it's a horrible Latin pun [wikipedia.org] .

Unfortunately the difference is in the diatric marks over the letter and Slashdot can't figure out how to deal with UTF-8 because they might have to look up the BIDI control characters, but basically "apple" and "evil" are both "malum" (but with a different sounding "a", I guess) in Latin.

It can also be traced to Greek mythology, but I like the idea of it being a bad Latin pun that everyone latched on to.

Re:slightly off-topic (1)

jaminJay (1198469) | about 2 years ago | (#41939591)

I know of no mighty company named "Quince"... maybe it's because I'm foreign?

Re:slightly off-topic (1)

poity (465672) | about 2 years ago | (#41939705)

It's just a phonetic approximation of Fu Shi Kang

Re:slightly off-topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939715)

I'm too lazy to search for it but it probably meant something else and they changed it when they went to a global presence. Korean companies have some strange names when converted to english to, Lucky Goldstar is a good example. Next time you are stopped waiting for a train to pass, check out some of those names on container cars.

Re:slightly off-topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939977)

"Fox" and "con" if you drop one of the ''n'. Both are cunning and "con" artist.

Re:slightly off-topic (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 2 years ago | (#41940485)

In stories, the fox spirit, "hu li jin" often takes human form as a young, nubile, seductress and sets out to corrupt scholars and governing officials.

Maybe "salacious" is the correct word then :) Foxy lady!

Re:slightly off-topic (2)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 2 years ago | (#41940507)

Except the Chinese don't refer to it as Foxconn. It's known has Hon Hai Precision Electronics. That's the real name it does business as. Foxconn is its English branding name it uses for the western world because "Hon Hai" may get distorted when translated. Plus it's also way easier to spell over the phone with someone whose only language is English.

If you ever get anything assembled at Foxconn, your assemblies come back on boxes marked with Hon Hai on them.

Re:slightly off-topic (1)

sethstorm (512897) | about 2 years ago | (#41940555)

Well, that would explain the actions of Foxconn that are less than honest or honorable towards their workers.

Re:slightly off-topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41941251)

Apples are mentioned nowhere in the bible, only fruit.

US IS A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY! (3, Interesting)

CajunArson (465943) | about 2 years ago | (#41939015)

OK, so all those snarky posts about how the U.S. is a worthless third world country because Foxconn was going to open factories here?
GUESS WHAT: Now the U.S. is a worthless third world country because Foxconn isn't going to open factories here!

That's the beuatiful thing about already have a predetermined conclusion, the facts always fit.

Re:US IS A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939187)

U.S.A. is #1 and you are a dumb fucking cunt.

Re:US IS A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939471)

But in Kazakhstan we have record in world for woman with most hair on pubis.

Re:US IS A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY! (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about 2 years ago | (#41940523)

i guess it does get cold there

Re:US IS A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY! (1)

Alex Belits (437) | about 2 years ago | (#41940707)

i guess it does get cold there

Especially around the first and, for now, last facility on Earth that launches humans into space. And on top of about 1/5 of the world's Uranium.

Some jokes aren't nearly as funny if people who hear them aren't ridiculously ignorant.

Re:US IS A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939417)

What's your point? That type of human behavior and modeling the world with preconceived notions and ideas is pretty common to the human psyche. At least a century ago it was shown that the same event would be perceived differently by a group of observers. To believe it only exists in an opposing group. In any event, make an actual argument about something instead of attacking. Even your sig is just a bunch of whining and buzzwords with no real substance.

Consider your observation. Surely there were also some that argued Foxconn was coming to the U.S. because of productivity, automation, efficiency etc. Their view that America is number one was assumed either way and hasn't changed with this news. So yeah, the majority of the population have predetermined conclusions. What's more upsetting though, is that some think their own predetermined conclusions are more valid than somebody else's. Very few approach any subject without some framework of expectations.

Re:US IS A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY! (1)

poity (465672) | about 2 years ago | (#41939735)

Many of us liberals tend to claim the intellectual/rational high ground. If that is indeed the case, then we should expect to hold ourselves to a higher standard as well. And when we are wrong we should be the first to admit it, not the first to point out how often others are wrong.

Re:US IS A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939883)

I'm not a liberal.

Re:US IS A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939463)

Calling the US a third world country doesn't make any sense. First world = US + allies, second world = USSR + allies, third world = unalligned. Calling it first world was correct a little more than twenty years ago, nowadays it doesn't make sense either.

Re:US IS A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939811)

That is non-aligned you insensitive clod.

Re:US IS A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY! (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about 2 years ago | (#41939807)

The truth is the truth, even if it is inconvenient or undesirable. Attacking the messenger doesn't change the truth, even if it makes you feel better about it.

Re:US IS A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY! (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 2 years ago | (#41940525)

worthless third world country

That seems to be the plan. You don't get a Congo sized difference in wealth between the rich and poor without the majority losing their standard of living.

Boo (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939017)

Hoo

It was according to "Market Watchers" (3, Interesting)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | about 2 years ago | (#41939027)

So who Watches the Market Watchers?

Someone trolled Digitimes well apparently. Everybody got their ad clicks in already. I don't know if anyone "loses face" in events like this. Does the media care about posting incorrect stories?

Slavery laws are too strict (3, Funny)

SampleFish (2769857) | about 2 years ago | (#41939063)

he went on to say "The only thing we manufacture at U.S. facilities is the hate a greed required to continue pushing our sweatshops to new productivity levels."

Slashdot even planned factory in Detroit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939077)

Slashdot users after lengthy discussion even came up the best spot in Detroit. Fucking Chinese.

Lots of gullible people, like slashdot (2)

gargeug (1712454) | about 2 years ago | (#41939079)

"...lots of people jumped to the salacious conclusion that a U.S.-based Foxconn factory could finally produce an American-made iPhone..." Including freaking /. itself at http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/11/09/0136211/foxconn-sees-new-source-of-cheap-labor-the-united-states [slashdot.org] . I've watched this site slowly assimilate into the blogspam world, and here is a perfect example.

Worst part ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939119)

... the idiots believed the story ... although they were claiming that Los Angeles and Detroit were top places for cheap labor.

Re:Lots of gullible people, like slashdot (4, Informative)

JustOK (667959) | about 2 years ago | (#41939129)

Slashdot is a Dice Holdings, Inc. company

Re:Lots of gullible people, like slashdot (3, Interesting)

gargeug (1712454) | about 2 years ago | (#41939257)

I looked up Dice Holdings, Inc and at first believed it was some \. jape, like a fake website constructed to mess with people. But further investigation showed it was no jape at all, and the crap blogspam I have seen populating this site now makes perfect sense. Thank you JustOK.

US slaped by market invisible hand (4, Insightful)

manu0601 (2221348) | about 2 years ago | (#41939153)

Given that iPhone assembly require human work, it was quite unlikely that Foxconn could find cheaper manufacturing costs in US rather than in China. The only hopes to bring back production in the US are a huge raise in transport costs (as if we ran out of oil for instance), or to give up on worldwide free trade.

Re:US slaped by market invisible hand (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#41939353)

The only hopes to bring back production in the US are a huge raise in transport costs (as if we ran out of oil for instance), or to give up on worldwide free trade.

Or human rights tariffs, which bring goods from countries competing by abusing their workers into cost parity with goods made in countries where workers have rights.

Re:US slaped by market invisible hand (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939513)

by "abusing their workers" you mean "substantially improving their standard of living"

Re:US slaped by market invisible hand (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939629)

Money isn't the only thing worth a damn in this country brother. /hulk hogan accent

Re:US slaped by market invisible hand (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#41941271)

by "abusing their workers" you mean "substantially improving their standard of living"

1) At least I exist. You don't, so you're not permitted to have an opinion. Log in or stop using words like "you". You don't get to tell me what you mean when you're too scared to log in and put your name to your ignorance.

2) China clearly does not give one tenth of one fuck about its people. Indeed, its people generally don't seem to give one tenth of one fuck about one another. Kind of like here. Indeed, China does everything it can to prevent its citizens from actually improving their lives, because if they do that enough to get educated enough to see what's going on their will collectively shit, and one billion simultaneous shits could cause a lot of trouble for the rich, corrupt assholes in charge over there.

Re:US slaped by market invisible hand (1)

RatherBeAnonymous (1812866) | about 2 years ago | (#41947101)

Or insert pro-union agitators into China.

Re:US slaped by market invisible hand (1)

manu0601 (2221348) | about 2 years ago | (#41947161)

Or insert pro-union agitators into China.

Then market invisible hand will move factories to Vietnam, North Korea, Niger, or whatever. Whatever salaries workers ask, there is always someone poorer ready to bid for lower

Re:US slaped by market invisible hand (1)

manu0601 (2221348) | about 2 years ago | (#41947203)

give up on worldwide free trade.

Or human rights tariffs, which bring goods from countries competing by abusing their workers into cost parity with goods made in countries where workers have rights.

I assumed that US workers would not accept to sleep at the factory, cut meat in their diet by a factor ten (or more!), work 60 hours per weeks while exposed to hazardous chemicals, and have children as coworkers. I assumed that facing such a situation, people would elect someone that would fight free trade, but I could be wrong

Clearly it's because of the election (3, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 2 years ago | (#41939183)

The plan was that if Mitt Romney was elected president, Foxconn would start building dormitories in the US.

They wanted to "partner" with the new private prison industry and have a two-fer.

Now those dreams are shattered because Americans are getting all uppity again that Obama's re-elected. Thinking that workers deserve "rights" and "safety" and "dignity" and all that liberal crapola. So Foxconn's going to go all Galt on our ass and keep their operations in a country that really understands the endgame of capitalism: China.

No joke.

Re:Clearly it's because of the election (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939209)

Please just shut the fuck up. It's really gotten old.

Re:Clearly it's because of the election (2)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 2 years ago | (#41941501)

Please just shut the fuck up. It's really gotten old.

I'm sorry, you're right. I should have been more sensitive, Mrs Romney.

From Terry Gou (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939205)

2010 Terry Gou: 'If I can automate in the US and ship to China, cost-wise it can still be competitive. But I worry America has too many lawyers. I don't want to spend time having people sue me every day.'

Nothing about this situation has changed in two years.

Re:From Terry Gou (1)

sethstorm (512897) | about 2 years ago | (#41940571)

He should be worried more that the US government wouldn't care about silly things like national borders and treat him like he was a part of Al Qaeda.

Maybe they are looking at Mexico...NO! (1)

bigbbri (265021) | about 2 years ago | (#41939263)

They found another source of labor that won't jump from the building, young Republicans!

Re:Maybe they are looking at Mexico...NO! (2)

Alex Belits (437) | about 2 years ago | (#41940731)

labor

Republicans

lol

How the U.S. Lost Out on iPhone Work (4, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 2 years ago | (#41939313)

Quote: [nytimes.com]

When an Apple team visited, the Chinese plant's owners were already constructing a new wing. "This is in case you give us the contract," the manager said, according to a former Apple executive. The Chinese government had agreed to underwrite costs for numerous industries, and those subsidies had trickled down to the glass-cutting factory. It had a warehouse filled with glass samples available to Apple, free of charge. The owners made engineers available at almost no cost. They had built on-site dormitories so employees would be available 24 hours a day.

The Chinese plant got the job.

"The entire supply chain is in China now," said another former high-ranking Apple executive. "You need a thousand rubber gaskets? That's the factory next door. You need a million screws? That factory is a block away. You need that screw made a little bit different? It will take three hours."

The answer is: tons of slaves. (2)

sethstorm (512897) | about 2 years ago | (#41940541)

That boils down to large and pliant labor pool that won't ask questions about bad conditions.

Re:The answer is: tons of slaves. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41940755)

That boils down to large and pliant labor pool that won't ask questions about bad conditions.

Did you know that working at Foxconn makes for a better salary and conditions than most other manufacturing plants in China? This is why workers line up for hours whenever they're hiring and also probably why the suicide rate for Foxconn workers is lower than the national average; and that comparison is indeed valid because their factories are so big they're more like cities.

Re:The answer is: tons of slaves. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41943389)

Did you know that negro slaves in the US had superior healthcare, lodgings, and access to food than free blacks at the time? Therefore slavery wasn't bad, right? Isn't that your point? I mean, lower suicide rate than average? Sweet, where do I sign up??

Re:How the U.S. Lost Out on iPhone Work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41945435)

So I'm building an electronic device in China. The board manufacturer and assembler says "no problem, the plastics factory is down the street". So we step up to full production, now it is "the plastics won't be ready for another month". Of course, I'm not Apple, but I'd take all those assurances with a grain of salt.

Communists vs. Unions (2, Insightful)

dtmancom (925636) | about 2 years ago | (#41939361)

Are there ANY Chinese companies that chose to open a factory in the US, where they would have to deal with employee unions?

Re:Communists vs. Unions (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939679)

China isn't Communist. Foxconn is a private company. And Foxconn is not from China, but from Taiwan (which is considered part of China by the Chinese government, but they don't control it in practice).

Re:Communists vs. Unions (2)

sethstorm (512897) | about 2 years ago | (#41940575)

China practices totalitarian Communism, which is worse. Given that Foxconn operates in China, the mainland factories are effectively the property of the PRC.

Re:Communists vs. Unions (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939773)

There are non union states after all.

BZZT - Wrong! (1)

sethstorm (512897) | about 2 years ago | (#41940581)

Just because a state does not have a favorable climate for employee-side unions does not mean that they don't have employer-side unions such as contract labor.

Re:Communists vs. Unions (2)

AK Marc (707885) | about 2 years ago | (#41939829)

What do the unions want, softer suicide nets? There is no problem with unions in the US. You hire workers, and if they unionize, you refuse to negotiate. No union has ever negotiated a contract that the management didn't sign. So unions are the fault of the management.

Re:Communists vs. Unions (1)

sethstorm (512897) | about 2 years ago | (#41940565)

As opposed to employer-formed unions such as contract labor, which are used in conjunction with and not covered by RTW?

Never happen with Unions (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939555)

Could you imagine how much an iPhone would cost if it was build with unionized American labor?

My guess would be about $12,000 for a crap model.

Re:Never happen with Unions (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41942117)

Economists estimate it would cost $70 more. We get it, you hate american workers. Could you at least be close to reality, though.

But it WOULD be hilarious (3, Funny)

gelfling (6534) | about 2 years ago | (#41939627)

To watch the lemming herd of slacktards at Occupy Wall St tweet on their new $2,000 US built iPhones that they didn't pay for either about the fucking evil that is money.

Re:But it WOULD be hilarious (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41941001)

What is it about the right and strawmen?

Oh My Goddess! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939797)

Here is comes!

"That's the beuatiful thing about already have a predetermined conclusion, the facts always fit."

Ding Ding Ding Ding!

Winner!

Anthropogenic Mann Global Warming in a NutShell! :D

Where do you think they stamp the "Made in the U.S (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41939893)

>> "already has multiple facilities based in the U.S"

Where do you think they stamp the "Made in the U.S.A" stickers ? There's tax cuts to consider...

Penis of The Tiger ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41940165)

Risin up back on the meat did my cell mate took my chances went the distance now I'm back on my feet just a man and his will to survive so many times it happens too fast you trade your penis for anus don't lose your grip on the dreams of the past you must LOL just to keep them alive

It's the penis of the tiger its the cream of the fight risin up to the challenge of our inmates and the last known pillow biter stalks his anus in the night and he's watching us all with the penis of the tiger

Face to rear out in the heat hanging balls stayin hungry the stack the odds still we take to the meat for the thrill with the skill to survive...

It's the penis of the tiger its the cream of the fight risin up to the challenge of our inmates and the last known pillow biter rubs his penis in the night and he's watching us all with the penis of the tiger

Risin up straight to the hole had the balls got the glory went the distance now I'm not gonna stop just a man and his penis to survive

It's the penis of the tiger its the cream of the fight risin up to the challenge of our inmates and the last known pillow biter greases his boyfriends in the night and he's watching us all with the penis of the tiger

The penis of the tiger...... The penis of the tiger...... The penis of the tiger......!!!!!

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