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The Release Candidate For Linux Mint 14 "Nadia" Is Out

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the new-kid-on-the-block dept.

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First time accepted submitter Type44Q writes "Well, the latest edition of Mint is finally here (the release candidate, anyway); according to The Linux Mint Blog, 'For the first time since Linux Mint 11, the development team was able to capitalize on upstream technology which works and fits its goals. After 6 months of incremental development, Linux Mint 14 features an impressive list of improvements, increased stability and a refined desktop experience. We're very proud of MATE, Cinnamon, MDM and all the components used in this release, and we're very excited to show you how they all fit together in Linux Mint 14.'"

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names are so cool, not! (-1, Flamebait)

Nyder (754090) | about 2 years ago | (#41951935)

Whomever started this naming version releases by nick name should be shot. Is this named Nadia because that is the wife of the main developer and he had to show some love otherwise he's never get some love again?

Me, If i developed anything and name it nice names, like "Fuckoff" "sloppyshit", "kludge", and "ididyourmom"

I guess we all need to feel cool.

Re:names are so cool, not! (-1, Troll)

buswolley (591500) | about 2 years ago | (#41951945)

you are a jackass

Re:names are so cool, not! (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952349)

No, a jackass is one who thinks that it's cute and funny to introduce confusing reference designation schemes in a desperate plea to rebel against the institutionalist version number. Hey, look at me, I named my distro after a quirky animal ( Whoa, so hipster! ). Oh yeah? I named my distro Peter Puffer because that's my gay lover's name ( Aww, how sweet! ).

Like in real life, there are right and wrong ways to get attention. The right way is to develop a distro that Just Works, with a robust set of applications, that people want to use. The wrong way is to reference furrism and bestiality, or the naming convention equivalent of tattooing your lover's name on your arm.

Those who do the latter should be smacked in the mouth with a rolled-up newspaper, the proper way to put uppity animals in their place.

-- Ethanol-fueled

p.s. - Debian Lenny. I knew a guy named Lenny once, he robbed a house he was housesitting for a coin collection and a stack of playboys. He was later arrested for robbing a pizza boy at knifepoint. Before he grew into this horrible person, as a kid he would sing the Lion King song "in the jungle, MY mighty jungle..." altering the words, and it was at this point where he would whip out his penis and continue "...My lion sleeps tonight!"

Re:names are so cool, not! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952693)

Apple shills are getting strange.

Re:names are so cool, not! (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about 2 years ago | (#41952859)

You're no fun.

Re:names are so cool, not! (1)

maxdread (1769548) | about 2 years ago | (#41951949)

Well aren't you all bitter. What's the problem, no one in your life to name anything after?

Re:names are so cool, not! (3, Funny)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 2 years ago | (#41952035)

Maybe he's just angry that they didn't nickname it "Nyder" :-)

Re:names are so cool, not! (5, Funny)

SomePgmr (2021234) | about 2 years ago | (#41951951)

Me, If i developed anything and name it nice names, like "Fuckoff" "sloppyshit", "kludge", and "ididyourmom"

Lemme guess, you're involved in the GIMP project?

Re:names are so cool, not! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41951989)

I suffer from Semper Sola Aspergi too.

Re:names are so cool, not! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41951993)

Nadia,
Meaning: Hope (in Ukrainian, diminutive form in Bulgarian/Polish/Russian, etc.)
Moist and dewy[1] (in Arabic)
Dew in Persian

Courtesy of Wikipedia

Re:names are so cool, not! (5, Interesting)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#41952189)

Nadia,
Meaning: Hope (in Ukrainian, diminutive form in Bulgarian/Polish/Russian, etc.)
Moist and dewy[1] (in Arabic)
Dew in Persian

Courtesy of Wikipedia

Its from Kim Stanley Robinson’s Mars Trilogy, Nadezhda “Nadia” Chernyshevski is Maya’s best friend...Maya was the name of Mint 13 :)

Re:names are so cool, not! (5, Funny)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 2 years ago | (#41952545)

Nadia,
Moist and dewy

I think I know her.

Re:names are so cool, not! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952993)

No, "Nadia" does not mean hope. "Nadezhda" means hope in Russian, but Nadia does not, Nadia is just a name.

Re:names are so cool, not! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952901)

There is no such a word in Persian. I have never heard such a word in Persian during my 40 years of life.

Re:names are so cool, not! (5, Insightful)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 2 years ago | (#41952001)

Here's a hint for you: N is the 14th letter of the alphabet.

Re:names are so cool, not! (-1, Troll)

jimshatt (1002452) | about 2 years ago | (#41953009)

Who the fuck modded this insightful!? Yes, Sherlock, it's the 14th letter of the alphabet. Thanks for your "clue".

Re:names are so cool, not! (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952271)

It should read "whoever started"

"whoever" is performing the action (started), it is the subject of that clause.

Don't try to use proper English if you don't know the rules.

Re:names are so cool, not! (1)

fm6 (162816) | about 2 years ago | (#41952319)

You don't like code names? Then WTF are you doing on a geek web site?

COMMUNISSSTS !!!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952395)

Nadia sounds like a Communist KGB-Evildoer Agent ! "Bill" to the rescue !!!!!!!

Re:COMMUNISSSTS !!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952929)

I prefer Nikita!

Re:names are so cool, not! (4, Funny)

sunderland56 (621843) | about 2 years ago | (#41952615)

It's much better than ubuntu - with names like "Wanking Warthog", "Horny Heron", and "Onanistic Ocelot", it's no wonder corporations don't take them seriously.

Re:names are so cool, not! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952621)

"I guess we all need to feel cool."

I guess acting like that jackass kid in every high school class who makes up quips like that makes you feel cool?

What? (1, Flamebait)

Mr 44 (180750) | about 2 years ago | (#41951959)

Would it hurt to include a few words explaining what the hell Mint even is or why we should care there's a new version?

Re:What? (1)

buswolley (591500) | about 2 years ago | (#41951991)

well for one thing it moves to MATE 1.4 and Cinnamon 1.6 . No I have no idea what those do.

Re:What? (4, Informative)

danbuter (2019760) | about 2 years ago | (#41952019)

MATE is basically Gnome2 but updated. Cinnamon is Gnome3 but has a much better UI than Gnome Shell.

Re:What? (5, Funny)

bogaboga (793279) | about 2 years ago | (#41952041)

MATE is basically Gnome2 but updated. Cinnamon is Gnome3 but has a much better UI than Gnome Shell

This would sum it up well for you: -

MATE is basically a less ugly version of all GNOME releases; CINNAMON is even better.

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952067)

Cinnamon is Gnome3 but has a much better UI than Gnome Shell.

That is debatable, it's certainly more traditional than Gnome 3 & Unity.

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952157)

No, it really isn't debatable at all. Not if you care about getting actual work done.

Re:What? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952475)

stupid ass

Re:What? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41953019)

Smartass

Re:What? (3, Informative)

fnj (64210) | about 2 years ago | (#41952191)

Cinnamon is just a fork of Gnome Shell from Gnome3, but proper in appearance and operation and with actual working applets like Gnome2 and in general discarding all the garbage in the "real" Gnome Shell.

Re:What? (0)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#41952147)

You know that the windows desktop has become full of advertising widgets, and oversized buttons, replacing links to files and programs, and running applicants, and a menu button, as well as a big space to organise files and links to important places.

Well Mint gives you that back, either by supplying you a prior to change version(MATE) or a updated version that looks and feels like the version prior to the change(Cinnamon)

Think of updating to Windows 8 and keeping your Windows 7 Desktop.

Seriously Unity and Gnome 3 and Windows 8 are big news.

Re:What? (5, Informative)

petermgreen (876956) | about 2 years ago | (#41952213)

Disclaimer: I have used Mate but I have not used Cinnamon.

AIUI Mate and cinnamon are two different approaches to the same problem.

The problem being that the gnome developers decided to throw out the boring but functional gnome2 and replace it with the radical gnome3 and further the distro vendors decided to allow gnome3 to take the package names previously used by gnome2 thereby screwing those users who wanted to stick with the desktop they knew while upgrading the rest of their OS (and things are sufficiantly tightly coupled in the linux world that sticking with an old OS version is not really a reasonable option).

The mate approach has been to fork gnome2 and rename the components to remove the config. This produced immediate results but long term leaves them with a load of forked stuff that perhaps doesn't really need to be forked and no easy way of getting any good stuff that comes out of gnome3. The cinnamon approach is to try and build a traditional GUI within the gnome3 framework, this avoids relying on outdated and barely maintained foundations but it also means a lot more work upfront and probablly more user visible change and runs the risk that gnome will decide to screw everyone again.

Re:What? (1)

petermgreen (876956) | about 2 years ago | (#41952325)

to remove the config

That should have said to remove the conflict.

Re:What? (1)

thammoud (193905) | about 2 years ago | (#41952225)

I use Mint 13 and still have no idea if I am running MATE or Cinnamon nor do I really care. It works just fine for me. It will be nice to find out the major differences between the too, which one you are currently using and how to switch to the other one.

Re:What? (4, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | about 2 years ago | (#41951995)

There was a time when you could expect people on Slashdot to know about the most popular Linux desktop distro and not need to be spoon-fed that information.

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952037)

There was a time where I would discuss the release but now I'm going to take her for a spin instead.

Re:What? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952201)

Microsoft, Apple et al used shills and reputation managers to chase anyone interested in technology away.

Now Slashdot is full of marketing drones trying to flog their latest product, and their only interest in Linux is ensuring nobody wants to try it.

Re:What? (2)

buswolley (591500) | about 2 years ago | (#41952311)

hmm is Mint the most popular Linux Desktop distro? I've heard about Mint, and that it was a response to Unity. Still I hadn't kept tabs on it lately, and didn't know whether it had fully capitalized on the Unity debacle. Also, I'm not shopping for Linux systems lately since I've been using NeuroDebian and centOS exclusively in my fMRI analyses.

Re:What? (1)

fredprado (2569351) | about 2 years ago | (#41952883)

Yes, it is. It absorbed a lot of Ubuntu's user base.

Re:What? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952321)

I wonder if they are using Linux on their web server and if so, why doesn't the page load? I thought Linux was supposed to be good at that kind of stuff. Apparently not.

Re:What? (2)

mrbluze (1034940) | about 2 years ago | (#41952381)

There was a time when you could expect people on Slashdot to know about the most popular Linux desktop distro and not need to be spoon-fed that information.

There is nothing informative about "an impressive list of improvements, increased stability and a refined desktop experience". At the very least the summary could have contained something detailed or specific about the distro release apart from its name.

Re:What? (2)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 2 years ago | (#41952431)

Yes, there should have been a description of what is new in that version. But that's something different from describing what Linux Mint actually is.

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41951999)

I guess it's assumed that if you are visiting Slashdot you are familiar with major linux distros like Mint.
That said, why this is newsworthy I am not sure.

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952137)

Nope, what you really need to assume is that if visitors to Slashdot need to look up your major linux distro in google to find out that it is a linux distro, it is *NOT* a MAJOR linux distro.

Re:What? (2)

0123456 (636235) | about 2 years ago | (#41952171)

It's not *a* MAJOR linux distro, it is, according to several sources, *the* MAJOR linux distro, after masses of Ubuntu users jumped ship in the Unity/Gnome 3 debacle.

Certainly this machine will be switching from Ubuntu to Mint shortly.

Re:What? (1)

Threni (635302) | about 2 years ago | (#41952351)

Ubuntu was the first linux I used. Mint became the second, thanks to Unity. So in a sense it's bringing people together! I tried LXDE but that's been dropped now so I'm giving KDE a go and so far I think it's great.

Re:What? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952009)

It's like ubuntu, with less suck

Re:What? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952069)

You mean Debian?

Re:What? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952183)

You mean not including commonly needed firmware for network devices on the installation medium?

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952011)

It's what Ubuntu should have been.

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952309)

It is Ubuntu (12.10 to be exact), with some renamed Gnome2 components, a forked Gnome 3 shell, and a few forked Gnome applications. It's doubtful if Mate would ever be adopted by Ubuntu since maintaining Gnome 2/GTK 2 would be rather burdensome, but I could see Cinnamon + Nemo being added in the Ubuntu repos. It would be great if Ubuntu ship a more popular Ubuntu-branded Gnome 3 shell than what the Gnome devs envisioned.

Re:What? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952027)

I know what you mean. I was just reading Motortrend the other day and I read the whole article, but I still have no idea what a "Ford" is. Not a word of explanation!

Re:What? (2)

mrclisdue (1321513) | about 2 years ago | (#41952077)

He was a president, and his motor skills were often called into question, hence, the article you read.

hth,

Re:What? (1)

bogaboga (793279) | about 2 years ago | (#41952047)

So you're too lazy to simply click that link in the summary body, right?

Re:What? (4, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#41952089)

Would it hurt to include a few words explaining what the hell Mint even is or why we should care there's a new version?

Ubuntu is the "go to" version of GNU\Linux, based on the incredibly good Debian, but supports features without sacrificing too much stability, and because it has some money thrown at it. Has rightfully become the most popular distribution out there.

Unfortunately Gnome; Microsoft; Apple; Canonical have all made the decision that the future is ditching mice and keyboard, and running our fingers all over the screen.

Mint has become popular simply by supplying a desktop that those of us who still love mice and keyboards love [whatever you think of that]

In short its a great new OS release, get it downloaded and installed now...or at least read the article before posting on Slashdot.

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952103)

You really couldn't tell from the title or submission body what Linux Mint is? Or are you just bitching for the sake of bitching?

Re:What? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952295)

Would it hurt to include a few words explaining what the hell Mint even is or why we should care there's a new version?

Linux Mint [wikipedia.org] is a computer operating system based on the Linux distribution Ubuntu. Linux Mint adds many features that baseline Ubuntu does not have, one of which is providing a more complete out of the box experience.

MATE [wikipedia.org] is a desktop environment forked from the now-unmaintained code base of GNOME 2.

Cinnamon [wikipedia.org] is a fork of GNOME Shell, initially developed by (and for) Linux Mint. It attempts to provide a more traditional user environment based on the desktop metaphor, like GNOME 2.

Why is there MATE and Cinnamon? Well, you can start by reading: Controversy over GNOME 3. [wikipedia.org]

What is Linux Mint? (5, Informative)

steveha (103154) | about 2 years ago | (#41952433)

Linux Mint is a distribution of Linux that is based off of Ubuntu. Like Ubuntu, it uses Debian packages.

When Ubuntu made the decision to make a new desktop environment ("Unity") and the GNOME project made the decision to make a new desktop environment ("GNOME Shell"), Linux Mint in turn made the decision to support those of us who loved GNOME 2. We have two options: MATE and Cinnamon. Both are well-supported by Linux Mint (and in fact primary development on both is by Linux Mint guys).

MATE is simply a fork of GNOME 2. For reasons that are not clear to me, GNOME 2 and GNOME 3 cannot co-exist on the same system... something about library conflicts. (Doesn't Linux have library versioning that should make it possible to avoid these conflicts? Eh, moving on.) The MATE project did a mass rename on everything in GNOME ("libgnome" -> "libmate", etc.) so MATE can co-exist on the same system with GNOME 3. So, those of us who loved the smooth polish that came from man-decades of development in GNOME can still use it.

But MATE isn't the future. From what I have heard, the library underpinnings of GNOME 3 really have improved over GNOME 2, and the new technology is a step up. Who wants to be locked into a frozen clone of GNOME 2 forever? Thus, Cinnamon. Cinnamon is a project to build on top of GNOME 3 and provide a user experience similar to GNOME 2. New plugins, new themes, etc. all go together to make a very usable desktop; but GNOME 3 apps will work seamlessly with it.

Many disgruntled Ubuntu users have abandoned Ubuntu for Linux Mint. Mint is now the top Linux distribution [distrowatch.com] on distrowatch.com; I'm not sure it was even in the top ten before the whole Unity/GNOME Shell fiasco, but now it's number one.

A comment I have seen multiple times on Slashdot from different people: the Linux Mint guys are focused on making their users happy, rather than making something new. Where the GNOME Shell guys promise a "consistent and recognisable visual identity" [gnome.org] , and Mark Shuttleworth (the head Ubuntu guy) said "This is not a democracy. [...] we are not voting on design decisions." [launchpad.net] , the Linux Mint guys promise that you will "Love your Linux, Feel at Home, Get things Done!" [linuxmint.com]

Linux Mint has always focused on making a beautiful system that is out-of-the-box usable. Now they are one of the top choices for people who have rejected Unity and GNOME Shell.

For me, the most important part of the announcement is that they have the password keeper working right now. I'm using Linux Mint on a laptop at work, and I can't connect to Windows shares; I'm hoping the new updates will sort that out for me.

Since this is based on Debian packages, I can probably just update in place without needing to do a full re-install.

P.S. One of my biggest complaints about GNOME 3 is that I can no longer take sit a Windows user down and just say "it works pretty much like what you are used to". You may like GNOME Shell and you may think it is better, but you cannot argue that it is very different, and it would take a bit of training before a guest could use it. Linux Mint, on the other hand, works a lot like pre-Windows 8 versions of Windows; with a little customization and theming I'll bet you could fool people into thinking it was actually Windows XP.

Likewise with Unity, it is pretty different from Windows. But it's very similar to the Mac, so maybe users familiar with the Mac can use it?

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952459)

Would it hurt to include a few words explaining what the hell Mint even is or why we should care there's a new version?

What is Linux Mint?:

Linux Mint [wikipedia.org] is a computer operating system based on the Linux distribution Ubuntu. Linux Mint adds many features that baseline Ubuntu does not have, one of which is providing a more complete out of the box experience.

Why we should care there's a new version?:

Linux Mint has a reputation for listening to its users. And its users want a more traditional Desktop like MATE and Cinnamon. The Mint developers created Cinnamon, and actively support MATE. So users are looking forward to improvements to MATE and Cinnamon in the new version of Mint.

MATE [wikipedia.org] is a desktop environment forked from the now-unmaintained code base of GNOME 2.

Cinnamon [wikipedia.org] is a fork of GNOME Shell, initially developed by (and for) Linux Mint. It attempts to provide a more traditional user environment based on the desktop metaphor, like GNOME 2.

Why is there MATE and Cinnamon? Well, you can start by reading: Controversy over GNOME 3. [wikipedia.org]

Mint (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952115)

It's an OSX clone with Windoze Start button technology!111

Re:Mint (2)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 2 years ago | (#41952329)

With Cinnamon, it definitely doesn't have the program menus at the top of the screen (at least by default; I didn't check if you can get that as option), although it does have those annoying dialog windows which are attached to the main window's title bar, non-movable, usually hiding the stuff you want to see, and since the programs usually were not designed for that, often even missing critical information (the most extreme was a dialog asking "yes" or "no", without any hint what it was asking about, because the developer thought I could read that off the window title), which I've heard is copied from OS X. I haven't found a way to disable this and return to sane movable, title-bearing dialogs (well, ideally most dialogs should even be non-modal, but that's the application developer's fault, not the window manager's).

Full-disk encryption? (4, Informative)

Chaonici (1913646) | about 2 years ago | (#41952127)

EFF posted an article about full-disk encryption (FDE) in Ubuntu 12.10 [eff.org] and how easy it is to set up through ubiquity, the application used to install Ubuntu. The article also mentions that the next version of Mint, which is based on Ubuntu and therefore uses ubiquity for installation, should have the same easy FDE option.

FDE is good for privacy and security; as EFF's article notes, having it be as simple as possible to set up can only be a good thing. If this new version of Linux Mint features this FDE option, I will strongly consider switching to it, and will certainly try it out at the very least.

Nadia? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952129)

Why, I hardly knew her.

Minty Goodness (3)

rueger (210566) | about 2 years ago | (#41952139)

I've quite happily settled into Mint Cinnamon for the last year. That followed a year or two of Ubuntu - pre-Unity, Windows of various vintages, and a MAc G4.

Mint "Just Works". Installs easy, does everything that I want without headaches.

And with Vista in a Virtual machine I can even run Quickbooks, the single program that forced to boot into Windows once a month for bookkeeping and invoicing.

I've got enough years of computers behind me that I really want easy, reliable, and stable. Mint does all of those things.

Which upstream? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952153)

For the first time since Linux Mint 11, the development team was able to capitalize on upstream technology which works and fits its goals.

Does anyone know to which upstream technology this is referring?

LMDE - Linux Mint Debian Edition (1)

BrookHarty (9119) | about 2 years ago | (#41952155)

Been using mint debian edition as my daily desktop for awhile. I'm really loving the polish and look of Mate on Mint. Went with the debian edition as I'm tired of Ubuntu and its anti competitive behavior. But the biggest issue I'm running is neither are rolling releases. I have a mixed LMDE and Debian testing running which has been mostly ok.

Also, running mate which is based grtk2 you have to use a theme that looks good on gtk2 & gtrk3.

I see the mate team talking about moving to gtk3, but no idea if its really being worked on or not. And compiz being decommissioned and having to be forked, its incredibly frustrating. Gnome3 is not an option, cinnamon might be. Mate just works the way I want.

It looks dated, is there a Unity option? (5, Funny)

horza (87255) | about 2 years ago | (#41952241)

I like the idea that Mint includes a lot of stuff out of the box (mp3 etc). However most people now have moved onto the Unity interface. I don't see that as an option, which makes it seem a bit ancient.

Phillip.

Re:It looks dated, is there a Unity option? (4, Informative)

OverlordQ (264228) | about 2 years ago | (#41952265)

Not sure if troll. The whole point of Linux Mint, and being based on Ubuntu, is that it *doesnt* use Unity. If you want Unity, use Ubuntu.

Re:It looks dated, is there a Unity option? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952443)

Or, if you like Cinnamon, just install it from a PPA to your Ubuntu install. You don't have to run Mint to get Cinnamon.

Re:It looks dated, is there a Unity option? (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | about 2 years ago | (#41952279)

Why would you want that? I thought the point of Mint was having a Linux desktop with an interface that is not a piece of shit!

Re:It looks dated, is there a Unity option? (1)

Threni (635302) | about 2 years ago | (#41952339)

> However most people now have moved onto the Unity interface

Most people have left Ubuntu for Mint and are using other front ends! Gnome, Mate, Cinnamon, KDE etc. Why the fuck would you want to use Unity. Even if they get all the crashes, bugs and inconsistencies out it's still dreadful. I know the argument is that it would work on a touch screen, but nobody uses Ubuntu on a touch screen so it doesn't matter.

Re:It looks dated, is there a Unity option? (2)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 2 years ago | (#41952341)

That's the whole point of Mint. If you want Unity, just install Ubuntu.

Re:It looks dated, is there a Unity option? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 2 years ago | (#41952515)

Thank you for starting the obligatory unity flame thread.

Re:It looks dated, is there a Unity option? (2)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about 2 years ago | (#41952583)

However most people now have moved onto the Unity interface. I don't see that as an option, which makes it seem a bit ancient

Let's be honest, if you think Unity is the next 'big thing' then you've got your head up Mark Shuttleworth's arse. Just because it comes from Canonical, it doesn't mean it's good.

If you put some thought into it, it's rather clear how Unity is (at best) an average desktop interface and a terrible tablet interface. It's incredibly unstable, poorly thought out and simply not configurable. It would serve quite averagely as a touch screen desktop productivity GUI. To top it off, Gnome 3 is actually a better desktop interface with more flexability and a damn site more stable.

So it's quite scary that Canonical have bet-the-house on this 'swing for the fences' GUI which obviously all the users of Mint can't stand. Ironically, the Unity desktop interface is creating the greatest schism in graphical desktops since KDE 'vs' Gnome. 'most people have moved onto the Unity interface' is either a troll or wishful thinking. Mint is (essentially) 'not Unity' and is now more popular than Ubuntu for this reason. And who knows how many people who stuck with Ubuntu aren't actually using Unity.

Face reality .. you're in a minority that's going to be left behind playing in Ubuntu-land. You're ancient.

Re:It looks dated, is there a Unity option? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952829)

Mint uses the Ubuntu repositories so I suppose you could install Unity if you wanted to. However, since both Mint and Ubuntu use the same repositories and since Ubuntu also includes "mp3, etc" out of the box, you might as well just use Ubuntu.

Why (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952245)

Why is it a news story whenever a major Linux disto is released? There are mailing lists for this type of thing.

Re:Why (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952259)

News for Nerds

And This is About... (1)

fm6 (162816) | about 2 years ago | (#41952331)

Maybe everybody but me keeps up with all the strange little Linux distros. But I don't. So just for stupid people like me, could all these breathless distro update announcements take just a little time to explain why I should give a shit about their distro? What does it have to offer that better-known distros do not?

Re:And This is About... (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | about 2 years ago | (#41952377)

As others mentioned before, Mint is not some "little" distro, it is possibly the most popular Linux distro now.

Re:And This is About... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952497)

cute pussy, bro

Re:And This is About... (0)

fm6 (162816) | about 2 years ago | (#41952631)

Yep, so it is (according to ZDNet). And you know something? I never heard of it before. Maybe that says I'm not paying attention — or maybe it says that nobody cares about desktop Linux any more.

You want us to care? Tell us why.

Re:And This is About... (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#41952999)

Yep, so it is (according to ZDNet). And you know something? I never heard of it before. Maybe that says I'm not paying attention — or maybe it says that nobody cares about desktop Linux any more.

You want us to care? Tell us why.

Because Windows is failing to make an impact in the modern world, but Linux owns it :). Your trolling

Re:And This is About... (2)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 2 years ago | (#41952399)

If you think Mate is a strange little Linux distro you are clearly not up to date.

What it has to offer that other well-known distros have not? Well, a more traditional Gnome interface that Gnome Shell or Unity.

Re:And This is About... (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 2 years ago | (#41952403)

s/Mate/Mint/ of course. But hey, if the Slashdot editors don't proofread, why should I? ;-)

Re:And This is About... (1)

fm6 (162816) | about 2 years ago | (#41952599)

Hey, I said I was stupid, didn't I? And we stupid people have trouble keeping up with stuff.

Re:And This is About... (1)

fm6 (162816) | about 2 years ago | (#41952657)

If this is just about the user interface, why is this a distro and not a shell? A decent distro makes it easy to change the shell.

Re:And This is About... (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#41953003)

If this is just about the user interface, why is this a distro and not a shell? A decent distro makes it easy to change the shell.

Yes its easy on Linux, unfortunately not so easy on Windows where you are forced to use an Screen full of advertisements.

Re:And This is About... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952425)

Me either except in this case. Bottom line is that the arrogant Gnome developers gave everyone who uses Gnome no choice. So if you actually need to get work done (i.e. without the meaningless eye-candy and dumbed down interface), you're forced to change something. Mint/Cinnamon is an attempt to restore sanity without wasting time by switching window managers or losing the Ubuntu ppas.

Of course if you're on KDE, XFCE, etc., then move along, nothing to see here.

Re:And This is About... (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#41952705)

Bottom line is that the arrogant Gnome developers gave everyone who uses Gnome no choice.

To be fair you can't blame Gnome on this one. I agree with what you have posted, but Mint replaced Unity with Cinnomon [and Mate] not Gnome shell. Its actually a subtle difference.

Re:And This is About... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41952471)

Nothing really. For instance, you can get Cinnamon and Nemo from PPAs to add to a Ubuntu installation. I don't really see a need to install a brand new distro to get a few features that can be added an already installed major distro.

Re:And This is About... (3, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#41952685)

Maybe everybody but me keeps up with all the strange little Linux distros.

Short Answer : There is only Ubuntu

Longer Answer: If your not interested in Linux your shouldn't. That is the short answer, and even if you are interested in linux you shouldn't. The reality is. Distributions [Distro for short] are just that collections packages [Applications/Modules Building Blocks that make up a modern OS with sensible selection of programs] together in essence a kernel[BSD/Linux] Userland[GNU] + Display Server[X and Wayland] + Windows Manager[KDE/Gnome/XFCE] + Office Package[LibreOffice Calligra Suite] + Internet Browser....you get the idea.

Now because Linux can be tailored for different processors processors [ARM;Mips...] different community is [Religious Christianity and Location Brazilian] Specialist [Boot Disks; Extra Secure]...but if your using any of these then you know why! there is even a Ubuntu Satanic Edition http://ubuntusatanic.org/news/ [ubuntusatanic.org] Satanists.

But mainstream there really is only Debian, Ubuntu(Popular Debian variant), and Fedora(You have heard of Red Hat) [Yes I could easily add a couple more :)]. In context of this article Mint should be considered Ubuntu without Unity[Its own Metro nighmare]

Seriously install a distribution its not hard.

Re:And This is About... (0)

fm6 (162816) | about 2 years ago | (#41952781)

You know, I can't make a whole lot of sense out of your writing. Which fits. You can't be bothered to express yourself clearly, so you just throw a blob of words at me and expect me to puzzle out what you're trying to say. And by the same token, you think I should just install the distro and waste a lot of time trying to figure out whether I like it or not. Thanks, no, I got better things to do.

Re:And This is About... (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#41952919)

You know, I can't make a whole lot of sense out of your writing. Which fits. You can't be bothered to express yourself clearly

Having reread my post. Its not bad. The reality is I use "Mint because I do not want or use Unity"...and your right, its confusing blobs, but its no less confusing than I'm "sticking with windows 7 because I don't want Metro".

The worrying think here is you have posted 8 times in this forum, actually proud at your basic lack of knowledge. You are I suspect being disingenuous.

If they have fixed the bug... (1)

gdav (2540) | about 2 years ago | (#41952361)

...whereby it dies on closing the lid on a toshiba NB550d, I shall sacrifice many fatted oxen on the appropriate altar.

Mint 14 does include support for AMD Trinity APUs (1)

voss (52565) | about 2 years ago | (#41952733)

Which while being a little late is still nice.

sorry, done (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 2 years ago | (#41952761)

the last 3 versions of mint have been nothing but a headache to me, good luck to you mint, but I am done riding this bus of half broken, poorly executed, mess

Thinking of switching to PCLinuxOS (2)

Dwedit (232252) | about 2 years ago | (#41952825)

I was thinking of switching from Ubuntu to PCLinuxOS, because I want to use a computer without ever needing to reinstall, in other words, rolling releases.
Mint looks really nice, but I don't think it has rolling releases.
Has anyone else used that PCLinuxOS, and how is it? Any better rolling releases distros out there that aren't too hard to install and set up?

Mint does have a rolling release option (1)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about 2 years ago | (#41952995)

The debian edition of mint is usable (though less friendly than ubuntu version) and is a rolling release. It updates slow though and I'm used to distro versions where I can easily know what version I'm running.

What if I use XCFE? (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about 2 years ago | (#41952869)

I know they have a XCFE port of mint. But if Mint is basically Ubuntu why would I want to switch from Xubuntu to xcfe mint? I'd like th try mint but as long as I'm on xcfe then I see no reason to move.
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