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Little Miss Sunshine Screenwriter Gets Nod For Star Wars: Episode VII

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the pen-and-paper dept.

Star Wars Prequels 321

The screenwriter of Toy Story 3, and Little Miss Sunshine, Michael Arndt is writing the script for Star Wars: Episode VII according to Lucasfilm. From the article: "...The new movie has just entered pre-production and is slated to be released in 2015. It was announced just last month as Disney acquired Lucasfilm, but there’s still no word on what the major plot points of the new chapter will entail. However, Vulture reports that 'the studio’s brass want to bring back the three central characters of the original Star Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors, though our source did say it had high ambition to sign up Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford was open to the idea of returning.'"

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First (-1, Troll)

dhermann (648219) | about 2 years ago | (#41956609)

It's gonna suck.

Re:First (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41956657)

They need to go back to Alan Dean Foster.

Re:First (-1, Offtopic)

Abreu (173023) | about 2 years ago | (#41956719)

Who wants to bet that even this thread becomes a Republican vs Democrat flame war too?

Geez slashdotter's get over the election, will ya?

Oh shuddup ya crazy libertarian! (-1, Offtopic)

pkbarbiedoll (851110) | about 2 years ago | (#41956893)

Oh and you Greens and go suck an egg too!

There.. now we can have our obligatory political bon fire.

Re:Oh shuddup ya crazy libertarian! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41957859)

Not quite. You've got to have a strawman libertarian for that bonfire, and you can only light it with the magic word "Somalia".

Re:First (1, Offtopic)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | about 2 years ago | (#41957051)

There was an election?

Re:First (5, Insightful)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | about 2 years ago | (#41956851)

Because Disney has such a history of screwing up the franchises it buys...

Re:First (-1, Flamebait)

dhermann (648219) | about 2 years ago | (#41957019)

They'll just use all the profits from John Carter to make Episode 7.

Hamill? (4, Insightful)

Russ1642 (1087959) | about 2 years ago | (#41956667)

Mark Hamill? Seriously? Why not just make Jar-Jar the central character of the next movie? The writers and directors of episode VII have the easiest job ever: do better than George Lucas. That's it. No matter how crappy the movie is it only needs to be better than episodes I through IV and it'll still be a huge win.

Re:Hamill? (2, Interesting)

Ironhandx (1762146) | about 2 years ago | (#41956855)

Episodes I through III.

IV through VI were masterpieces, but given recent events it had very little to do with George Lucas, whatever George likes to think.

Re:Hamill? (0, Flamebait)

Russ1642 (1087959) | about 2 years ago | (#41956973)

Episode IV was a masterpiece... of suck, but it gets a small pass because it was the first movie.

Re:Hamill? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41956997)

Episodes 4 through 6 were good films, Episode 1 was nearly good, Episode 2 was flawed to the extreme and Episode 3 was ridiculous throughtout.

Now if Disney wants to do a sequel to the original trilogy they have to keep the characters of Leia, Han and Luke.
BUT they have to change actors.

Re:Hamill? (5, Insightful)

arth1 (260657) | about 2 years ago | (#41957569)

Now if Disney wants to do a sequel to the original trilogy they have to keep the characters of Leia, Han and Luke.
BUT they have to change actors.

Why do they have to change actors?
Growing old is part of life, and if the setting of episode VII is 35 years after episode VI, it would make sense to have grandpa Han, grandma Leia and old uncle Luke (possibly living in isolation like Obi-Wan did).
Sure, you'd need new actors too, but that doesn't preclude the old cast from being present or even playing major roles.

In particular, the "No. There is another" reference to Leia begs to be explored. I can imagine a somewhat fragile and middle-aged grandma using the force and saving the universe. That might rock.

Masterpiece? (1)

sjbe (173966) | about 2 years ago | (#41957071)

IV through VI were masterpieces

The only one that comes close to being a masterpiece is Empire Strikes Back. Ep IV was good for its day but hasn't aged well - even so it is still probably my second favorite of the series. I'm old enough that I saw it in theaters the first time it was released in the 70s. ROTJ was going well until the Ewoks came on screen. The only one of the prequels that is bearable is Episode III - I like it about as much as ROTJ which is to say it is fun but not great.

Re:Masterpiece? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#41957247)

IV through VI were masterpieces

The only one that comes close to being a masterpiece is Empire Strikes Back

Episode IV was fairly well brilliant. Empire was even better. ROTJ is the letdown.

The only one of the prequels that is bearable is Episode III - I like it about as much as ROTJ which is to say it is fun but not great.

I could not suspend disbelief far enough to enjoy Episode II because of the love story or Episode III because of Episode III, and I was able to suspend disbelief enough to enjoy the first season of Babylon 5 in spite of the incredibly bad acting. Episode I is OK if you watch The Phantom Edit.

Re:Masterpiece? (3, Insightful)

gfxguy (98788) | about 2 years ago | (#41957781)

Episode IV was fairly well brilliant. Empire was even better. ROTJ is the letdown.

The only one of the prequels that is bearable is Episode III - I like it about as much as ROTJ which is to say it is fun but not great.

I could not suspend disbelief far enough to enjoy Episode II because of the love story or Episode III because of Episode III, and I was able to suspend disbelief enough to enjoy the first season of Babylon 5 in spite of the incredibly bad acting. Episode I is OK if you watch The Phantom Edit.

I'm assuming you meant "because of Episode II," in which case I agree with both of these statements from you I quoted.

I would rather say, though, that IV was ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC.... given that I was 10 years old and there'd been nothing like it before (despite it obviously using some tired cliches and borrowing from other movies - nothing like it that a 10 year old would ever have seen). V was the best, VI was a let down, but it was still good and still better than any of the prequels. Of course, this is all just my opinion.

I was terribly disappointed with episode I, but I was like "Ok, let's just see where he's going with this..." and then after episode II I was like "OK, he went nowhere." I might have liked it, but like you, as a mature adult, the love story was just too unbelievable... even Natalie couldn't save the terrible writing and direction. I will say, though, that despite that, I thought III was OK.

Like a lot of others, though, back on topic, I think it can't get much worse than I - III, and without Lucas writing, I think it stands a chance of being much better, and with more eyes on it - IOW, not just Lucas saying "this is my movie, so it goes my way," I think Disney execs are better judges of what will sell. My only problem is the target market for Disney, so if they dumb it down to a kid's movie, then again - ten year olds might think it's fantastic, but us old fans probably won't.

Re:Masterpiece? (1)

sjbe (173966) | about 2 years ago | (#41957849)

...Episode IV was fairly well brilliant.

It's a pretty basic good vs evil adventure story with a plot as deep as a kleenex. The special effects were outstanding for the '70s but haven't held up with time we well as those from Empire and Jedi. The acting was decent and the cast worked well together. I think calling it "brilliant" is rather generous but it remains a pretty good movie if you can overlook the aging FX and paper thin plot. I think it was hugely influential and important but it isn't in my top 10 best sci-fi movies at this point. (you may of course disagree since it's just my top 10, not anything objective) Empire however is however easily among the 10 best I've ever seen and I still enjoy watching it even to this day.

Re:Hamill? (2)

MightyYar (622222) | about 2 years ago | (#41957131)

IV was corny*, had some iffy acting, and had weird editing - but was still groundbreaking and really set a new standard for scifi. V was a genuinely good movie.

VI? That was mostly a kids movie. Jar-Jar was just the new Ewoks.

* Death Star? Dark Side? Who the hell would name their crowning technical achievement and religion using such negatively charged words?

Re:Hamill? (2)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | about 2 years ago | (#41957209)

VI had great moments. The lightsaber match in front of the emperor was the best, I think. Very tense and memorable. Unfortunately, yeah, Ewoks. Still, for me it goes

V > IV = VI > I = III > Holiday fucking Special > II

Re:Hamill? (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about 2 years ago | (#41957553)

Awwww, poor II... Are you serious? Or is it because you are at least laughing at the Holiday Special?

The only redeeming quality of I is when you finally get to see why Jedis are feared and respected. I also still keep a copy of "The Phantom Edit", which actually makes "I" pretty decent.

Re:Hamill? (1)

Ironhandx (1762146) | about 2 years ago | (#41957593)

Yikes. For the yoda fight scene alone I dub my personal list as follows:

V = IV > VI > III > II > Holiday special > I

If you include the Phantom Edit it becomes:

V = IV > VI > III > II > I = Holiday special

III was only so high because the special effects were very well done and I like eye candy. As a stand alone movie it was decent. Love story totally ruined II, slightly redeemed when Yoda went all Rambo.

I think Episode I skipped off the tracks so far because ROTJ had been the most commercially successful of the 3 at the time. Jar Jar was the response to the perceived popularity of the ewoks.

Re:Hamill? (2)

Culture20 (968837) | about 2 years ago | (#41957333)

Death Star? Dark Side? Who the hell would name their crowning technical achievement and religion using such negatively charged words?

Anyone who wants to rule with the iron grip of fear. Heck, Adolf Schicklgruber renamed himself Adolf Hitler, the most infamous name in modern history. And the National Socialist Party? Tell me if that doesn't sound close to "Nazi". Some people go to great lengths to sound evil, like goth punks.

Great, now you've got me thinking about mopey SS officers with black fingernails and eyeliner. Are you satisfied?

Re:Hamill? (2)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 2 years ago | (#41957681)

* Death Star? Dark Side? Who the hell would name their crowning technical achievement and religion using such negatively charged words?

Baddies. Duh.

Re:Hamill? (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about 2 years ago | (#41957817)

I guess the Germans did have skulls... [youtube.com]

Re:Hamill? (2)

necro81 (917438) | about 2 years ago | (#41957625)

The writers and directors of episode VII have the easiest job ever: do better than George Lucas

It's even easier than that: they don't have to create any new source material. The decades after Return of the Jedi have been thoroughly filled in by Lucas-sanctioned books and comics. Some of that material is great (e.g., Timothy Zahn). Some of the material should be taken out behind a shed, beaten, shot, soaked in gasoline, set ablaze, then have the ashes pissed upon and scattered.

The point is: Lucasfilm and the fanbase already know what material is good and what sucks. Not a whole lot of discovery or risky creation necessary. Find a person who is good at screenplay adaptation, put a good director on set, and rake in the profits

In fact, the biggest creative risk I see is overlap. The decades since Return of the Jedi have been so completely filled in with one save-the-galaxy-defeat-the-Dark-Side saga after another that there's no new ground left to cover.

There goes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41956717)

My nope to see the Thrawn trilogy adapted to screen.

Now, Are they going Yuuzan Vong, or are they going to piss on twenty years of expanded universe?

Re:There goes... (2)

neminem (561346) | about 2 years ago | (#41956743)

Hey, if they haven't announced the plot at all, there's nothing explicitly barring the Thrawn trilogy still getting in there. I'm pessimistic and doubt that they'd decide to do anything so popular, but I haven't seen total proof that I'm right about it yet... (After all, even if they do use an existing story, they would still need a screenwriter.)

Re:There goes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41956813)

They've explicitly discounted the Thrawn trilogy. And I for one am happy with that because while I enjoyed it, I do not want it for a movie series.

Re:There goes... (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 2 years ago | (#41956849)

Did they give any reasons for explicitely discounting Thrawn?

Re:There goes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41956929)

Not directly. They said it would be an 'original story' not drawn from the Thrawn Trilogy. They did name the Thrawn Trilogy as an example of prior work.

Re:There goes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41956979)

OP here. I doubt they would make Ford and Hamill take back their roles and say Ep VII happens 2-to-5 years after Endor.

The only possibilities I see are
- the originals actors doing a cameo as their original characters, and the rest of the movie is a flashback (in which case the original trilogy actors are not needed)
- the actors do not take back their old roles, and play different characters (Joruus? Who else in the trilogy has the right age?) (in which case the original trilogy actors are not needed, merely a distracting nod)
- the move the whole Thrawn story 30 years in the expanded universe time-line. In this case, Skywalker having not found a single apprentice in that time would be really difficult to believe. The story would be significantly changed (probably by shifting the focus to Luke's only apprentice as he battles Thrawn and Joruus, and Leia's daughter for the Nhogri plotline - hey, I found a way to shoehorn romance into the plot again!). Such a shift would, in essence, go back to the "pissing all over the expanded universe" theory.
-CGI-ing the heck out of the original trilogy actors. In which case, I'm not sure I want to see that movie (but I probably would anyways)

Re:There goes... (1)

flirno (945854) | about 2 years ago | (#41957043)

According to an interview with a Lucasfilm source the new movies will be components of a completely new story so yes they are tossing out the whole expanded universe for these.

Re:There goes... (3, Interesting)

DrgnDancer (137700) | about 2 years ago | (#41957195)

New stories don't, by default, throw out the expanded universe. The characters in the Expanded Universe are approximately the age of the actors, and efforts have even been made by the EU authors to make Luke kinda beat up and looking like Mark Hamill (whether consciously hoping he might one day reprise the role, or just unconsciously making him look like his template.) The biggest obstacle to using the three original actors in a film that takes the EU into account is Carrie Fisher. She'd need to get in shape (not that's she's hideously fat or anything, just not Jedi Knight fit.) Last I saw Hamill and Ford they could believably play an aging Luke and Han in the EU assuming lots of special effects for Luke's more athletic capabilities (but that would be required no matter what).

Re:There goes... (1)

C0R1D4N (970153) | about 2 years ago | (#41957275)

They can do a new story while keeping the EU. Doubt they will, but it would be nice. Maybe a movie post-Fate of the Jedi about Ben and Jaina's kids. With grampa Luke and Han

Re:There goes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41957115)

actually the one I thought they could pull off (without having to resort to a whole bunch of CGI) would be Jedi Academy...yes they'd probably have to bump it in the timeline, but not as much--not to mention it would set the stage for later movies....

Re:There goes... (1)

Jesrad (716567) | about 2 years ago | (#41956803)

nope

Yup, you got it right in a single typo.

Re:There goes... (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41956853)

Of course they are going to ignore the expanded universe. Those are what star wars fans care about, which is not what the studios want. They will dumb down any series to make sure anyone can watch it.

Re:There goes... (1)

91degrees (207121) | about 2 years ago | (#41957039)

Never really been too fussed about this sort of thing. If you want the story then read the books. If this is actually good then it's a whole new story to enjoy. If it's not, then at least they didn't ruin the Thrawn Trilogy

Re:There goes... (1)

Culture20 (968837) | about 2 years ago | (#41957469)

Now, Are they going Yuuzan Vong, or are they going to piss on twenty years of expanded universe?

If Disney trashed the excellent plot of TRON 2.0 [wikipedia.org] (which they owned through their subsidiary) to establish the placental afterbirth [wikipedia.org] as the rightful heir to TRON, then they will have no problem telling the Star Wars expanded universe to shove off. Lucas didn't throw the West End Games version of Star Wars pre-history under the bus when he made Ep I-III, but Disney doesn't care what fans think, only what Disney thinks the masses want.

Re:There goes... (1)

autocannon (2494106) | about 2 years ago | (#41957643)

I hope your post is sarcasm. The plot for Tron 2.0 sounds like the type of garbage that made the Matrix sequels horrible.

episode vii? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41956733)

everyone knows that only three movies were made, there should be a mistake in the headline or they are using Firefox version scheme

Re:episode vii? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41957053)

Yeah, the only three movies made were episodes IV, V, and VI, I don't see your problem.

Re:episode vii? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41957517)

They probably don't want to do prequels, I mean, who wants to see the evil Darth Vader as an innocent kid? That's just dumb.

Why so much hate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41956779)

Toy story 3 kicked a lot of ass. One of the better animated movies I've seen that's for sure.

I don't want to see an animated kids movie (1)

pkbarbiedoll (851110) | about 2 years ago | (#41956833)

Thus the hate.

Re:I don't want to see an animated kids movie (2)

Baloroth (2370816) | about 2 years ago | (#41956957)

It won't be animated, obviously, but it probably will be a family-friendly movie... just like the original three were. Lots of the now-older fans forget that, but the movies were very much family-friendly. Not a "kids movie", perhaps, but many of the fans were kids when they first watched it.

Re:I don't want to see an animated kids movie (1)

DrgnDancer (137700) | about 2 years ago | (#41957233)

I screamed my head off in the trash compactor scene when I first saw Episode IV, but I was 3. I think my parents may have been slightly over enthusiastic about "family friendly". Certainly any kid older than 7 or 8 could easily watch the original trilogy, follow the major plot points, and not be scared or upset.

Good writers can write different things (1)

tverbeek (457094) | about 2 years ago | (#41957303)

It's because fans with limited creative imaginations assume that writers are capable of writing only one kind of story.

Arndt has written a quirky ensemble dramedy (Little Miss Sunshine), a cute sentimental all-ages story (Toy Story 3), a near-future sci-fi character/action film (Hunger Games 2), and a distant future sci-fi Tom Cruise-vehicle thriller (Oblivion). I'm sure that someone at Disney can get their hands on the two scripts that haven't been released yet, and from what they've seen in them, they figure he can write a good Episode VII. I see no reason to doubt it.

But... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41956785)

Han signed first!!!

Re:But... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41957021)

Han signed first!!!

Yeah right after he fried poor Greedo.

First draft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41956801)

Luke: I'd like to dedicate this to my father, who showed me these movies.
MC: Aww, that is so sweet.
[Audience applauds]
MC: Is he here? Where's your father right now?
Luke: In the trunk of our X-Wing.

Re:First draft (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 2 years ago | (#41957647)

What's with the fucking Ewoks? Every day with the fucking Ewoks.

Yay (5, Funny)

poity (465672) | about 2 years ago | (#41956807)

R2D2 gets married and lives happily ever after. The End.

Re:Yay (3, Funny)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 2 years ago | (#41957465)

r2d2 falls into a deep sleep that can only be awakened by the kiss of a certain jedi.

Grumpy Old Jedi.... (4, Funny)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | about 2 years ago | (#41956809)

That will be the title.....

Find a new series (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41956811)

First we got the abortions that were episodes 1,2 and 3 then they decided to make the worst Indiana Jones and now 3 more garbage movies.

Why can't they find a new series to make?

Re:Find a new series (4, Insightful)

characterZer0 (138196) | about 2 years ago | (#41956867)

New? Disney?

Re:Find a new series (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 2 years ago | (#41956887)

To be fair, this is no longer mr. Lucas calling all the shots, so there's a small chance the new movies are not going to utterly suck.

Re:Find a new series (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about 2 years ago | (#41957257)

To be fair, this is no longer mr. Lucas calling all the shots, so there's a small chance the new movies are not going to utterly suck.

Except, this is now Disney milking a title for as many sequels as they can manage.

Historically, that leads to direct to video crap. That tends to suck all of the merit out of the title until it's just lousy. It will be an endless stream of terrible stuff Disney keeps rolling out.

I feel a great disturbance in the force, as if millions of lawyers and accountants cried out with glee.

For me, they're going to be facing an uphill battle of making me believe this won't be just some cynical cash grab with a bad plot and extensive merchandising and fast food tie-ins. Another Star Wars would have scared me without Disney, with Disney I'm fearing the worst.

Admittedly, they may have learned their lessons .. in buying Marvel and still letting them have good control over the script, they've demonstrated they can still make those movies. So, maybe, just maybe, this won't be utter crap -- but I'm not holding my breath.

Re:Find a new series (2, Interesting)

fluffythedestroyer (2586259) | about 2 years ago | (#41956897)

You don't even know the story of SW E7 and you say its crap ? wow, your an idiot. Wait until they give some hints to the movie and then judge if you want. All I can say is lots of stories in the Star Wars universe are really good; think of Star Wars knights of the old republic for example. ok ok, not the same timeframe but story quality is something I haven't seem for a while. Also true that episode 1, 2 and 3 were not the same quality but thats mainly because they used science to explain the jedy powers which really ruined the mood. Besides, episode 1 through 3 was already known since we had a big idea what was going on in his life. What left a blank to me and would of been great story is from the beginning Anakin used the whole darth vader suit which he his very young up to the point where episode 4 starts which if everyone remember THAT darth vader is old...he aint young.

Re:Find a new series (3, Interesting)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41957013)

Making Anakin/Vader a whiny bitch ruined the first 3. It ruined the entire character, just as making Han shoot second ruined that character.
Science can explain a lot and not ruin it, poor writing however can ruin any movie.

Disney will only go further in making sure these movies have no real conflict and that the characters are all two dimensional set pieces. I expect JarJar to be back in a big way.

Re:Find a new series (1)

alen (225700) | about 2 years ago | (#41956931)

Toy Story 3 was actually a very good movie along with most other Pixar movies. THey know how to structure a story properly and it's not just eye candy like Lucas does

Re:Find a new series (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 2 years ago | (#41957663)

The singular advantage here will be the lack of Lucas's involvement.

Please, oh, please... (1)

LongearedBat (1665481) | about 2 years ago | (#41956817)

...let them show full respect for the extended Star Wars universe.

Re:Please, oh, please... (1)

flirno (945854) | about 2 years ago | (#41957091)

They already tabled the extended/expanded universe. They apparently want to work with a blank slate going forward from episode 6 with a _new_ story.

Re:Please, oh, please... (1)

mikeroySoft (1659329) | about 2 years ago | (#41957873)

citation please?

What role would Carrie Fisher have? (5, Funny)

steevo.com (312621) | about 2 years ago | (#41956835)

An older Jabba the Hutt?

Re:What role would Carrie Fisher have? (1)

Dan East (318230) | about 2 years ago | (#41957087)

So wrong it's right.

Re:What role would Carrie Fisher have? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#41957207)

"You don't want to sell me death powder"

Re:What role would Carrie Fisher have? (1)

kiriath (2670145) | about 2 years ago | (#41957755)

"You want to GIVE me death powder"

Re:What role would Carrie Fisher have? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41957745)

Carrie Fisher's an outstanding woman. Her openness about her struggle with fame and depression is braver than anything Han Solo has ever done. So she gained a few lbs since the 80s, so what? Save your misogynistic fat jokes for the bimbos, mkay?

Looks like they cast Han and Leia's son (3, Funny)

ohnocitizen (1951674) | about 2 years ago | (#41956871)

Is it just me, or did they nail it? Anakin Solo, ready to Emote! [pajiba.com]

Re:Looks like they cast Han and Leia's son (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41957361)

And his First Mate [cvcdn.com] on the new and improved Decamillenium Eagle.

Star Wars has a script? (3, Interesting)

bfandreas (603438) | about 2 years ago | (#41956879)

They want to hire actual wirters for a Star Wars movie? That's got to be a first.

It's propably going to center around their kids. Oh wow. The stuff way, way before the Republic would be much more interesting.
Star Wars: Jar-Jar Hugs U.

Pass.

Re:Star Wars has a script? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41957005)

Jedi descendants of Jar-Jar Binks and Wicket!

Re:Star Wars has a script? (2)

flirno (945854) | about 2 years ago | (#41957129)

I can feel the hate growing within you.

High Ambition (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41956881)

our source did say it had high ambition to sign up Mark Hamill

This means that their source is Mark Hamil.

3:47 Text from Disney coporate "Just announced the new Star Wars films."
3:48 Missed call from Mark Hamil
3:49 Missed call from Mark Hamil
3:50 Missed call from Mark Hamil
3:51 Missed call from Mark Hamil
3:52 Missed call from Mark Hamil
3:53 Missed call from Mark Hamil
3:54 Missed call from Mark Hamil
3:55 Missed call from Mark Hamil
3:56 Missed call from Mark Hamil
3:57 Missed call from Mark Hamil
3:58 Missed call from Mark Hamil

Re:High Ambition (1)

sargon666777 (555498) | about 2 years ago | (#41957113)

Best comment ever.. wish I had mod points...

Re:High Ambition (5, Informative)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | about 2 years ago | (#41957157)

I doubt he's desperate. He's probably made a mint doing voice work. His turn as the Joker in the animated Batman series (and the Rocksteady games) has become iconic along side Kevin Conroy as the Bat himself.

Also: Fire Lord Ozai in The Last Airbender.

Keep flogging the corpse. (5, Insightful)

concealment (2447304) | about 2 years ago | (#41956915)

Hollywood has introduced typical Hollywood people which will take Star Wars, a film loved by many in part because it departed from the Hollywood norm, and turn it into the same old Hollywood dreck.

That's bad, but what's worse is that Lucasfilm will not do any better. After sitting through at least one of the "new" Star Wars movies, I concluded that Lucas has no idea why people loved the original film. Flat dialogue, gratuitous action, and lots of special effects does not make up for lack of a compelling plot or characters, and actors who in no way matched the quality of those in the originals.

Now there's rumor they want to bring back the original cast, who are now in their 60s, and have them re-live their former roles. Unless we CGI them, too, they're going to play older characters, which will either be unbelievable as they take on action scenes, or involve a lot less action.

All of the signs regarding this movie show that Lucasfilm and now Disney have missed the point. People don't want to see "all the familiar things" again. They want a movie that's as good as the original Star Wars, and has the same elements: adventuresome space rogues, conflict between good and evil, cool technology and racing around space at light speed.

What made Star Wars good was related to these elements and a compelling script. Disney is trying to make a new one by imitating the surface traits of that past movie, and will as a result not explore what made the movie great, and therefore will be flogging a dead horse instead of coming up with a new success story.

Re:Keep flogging the corpse. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41957171)

Our perennial right to is to claim everything was always better in our younger years. Nothing today can even hope to match what was done then. Honestly? Disney has a fantastic track record with making good, quality films. They even managed to not blow it with Pixar, the Muppets, and Marvel. I think Lucasfilms is in good hands....and look forward to this new trilogy.

Re:Keep flogging the corpse. (1)

Quakeulf (2650167) | about 2 years ago | (#41957219)

Mod parent up. It needs more "insightful". :3

Star Wars changed Hollywood (3, Insightful)

sjbe (173966) | about 2 years ago | (#41957243)

Hollywood has introduced typical Hollywood people which will take Star Wars, a film loved by many in part because it departed from the Hollywood norm, and turn it into the same old Hollywood dreck.

I think you have that backwards a bit. Star Wars CHANGED the "Hollywood norm". I am old enough that I saw Episode IV in theaters in the 1970s. Perhaps you aren't old enough to remember it (apologies if you are) but Star Wars changed sci-fi movies, particularly space adventures. It was a change equivalent to the magnitude of the change the iPhone had on the cell phone market. Almost everything since was influenced by the Star Wars movies and much of it for the better. It isn't that Star Wars did something different and then went back. It's that Hollywood changed to match Star Wars and so it was difficult for it to stand out anymore.

Furthermore, George Lucas reached the limit of his talent but not his ego. There were signs of this in Return of the Jedi with the Ewoks and things got worse after that. However the Star Wars universe is pretty rich ground for good story telling so perhaps there is hope that in more capable hands we will see some new movies worthy of the impact of the originals.

Re:Keep flogging the corpse. (2)

Craefter (71540) | about 2 years ago | (#41957479)

I really like to old movies. Not because Mark Hamill is such a great actor, because he isn't.

For me the old Star-Wars is a milestone in science-fiction. It was ahead of its time but most of all I liked the magic behind it. People going outside an hammering on things to get the right sound for lasers. Doing pyrotechnics to get the explosions right. Building computers to get consistant camera movement during stop-motion. People building Millennium Falcons in different sizes. Layering massive amounts of asteroids. So no computer shit but everything hand made by pioneering teams. For me there is the magic from Star-Wars, hand-made by humans.

There is no magic when I had to see Jar-Jar and crome textured space ships. All I had thought of was the fact that there was sitting some bored dude behind some CAD desktop who did the computer animations.

Another milestone was Avatar, a lot of real human work and input, computers used getting it on the screen. Also the first (full) CGI movie creating realistic characters and everything going 3D. Not comparing it to Star-Wars but it was a milestone.

I'm not saying that the new movies should be hand made by the production teams burning their fingers because they forgot the play with fire (although it would have its charm) but it should include the epicness of PEOPLE creating a milestone and not a 13 in a dozen Sci-fi flic.

Re:Keep flogging the corpse. (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 2 years ago | (#41957669)

It's not just Hollywood -- Such is the nature of any cultural content miner.

Sleeping Beauty, Snow White, Beauty and the Beast, Peter Pan, etc. were all better existing works that Disney latched onto and practically ruined with their butchered retellings -- They removed much of the elements that made the stories compelling... Then, folks ate them up for decades while others clung to the original stories like treasures, until they died and the stories were mostly forgotten, replaced in the youths' minds by the dumbed down Disney versions.

So to will the the "Star Wars" as loved by many become just any other of the original classics that Disney retells: A stripped down semblance of itself that generations to come will gladly take to heart professing deep nostalgic fandom to (as children are wont to do), while the what makes the originals great slowly fades into obscurity -- This time, the demise shall be assisted sucicied by quadruple-generation-long copyright. (By the time an original fan could share it freely, their grand children will be dead).

New Star wars content was dead to me when Lucas began milking it (moreso than with ep. V and VI). Hint: he wanted to emulate old sci-fi serials, thats why it started at IV, not because the other scripts were too demanding (they didn't exist) -- That's why it jumps right into the action, picks up from the middle of a tale... Darth Vader wasn't planned to be Luke's father, the initial scripts did have Luke wanting to extract his "Revenge of The Jedi" for killing his pops, but "Return" is less vengeful title, and Darth as Luke's dad worked as a nice nice twist.

Since the beginning, the Star Wars series has been George Lucas' greatest "happy accident". One that can't be recreated at will, not by him or anyone else. I mean, come on, he discovered Harrison Ford by accident... Somehow the magic of that first film was stretched by the cast and special effects teams to two more films, despite the scripts and the mining of success, not because of them.

Also, times have changed: Space Travel, Computer AI, Robots, New-age metaphysics, Martial Arts, these were all more popular and compelling to audiences at the time of the original's release... Just look at a sample of other movies and books from the same time period, (or recall the 70's and 80's if you can).

This is stupid (4, Interesting)

jollyreaper (513215) | about 2 years ago | (#41957007)

The time to make post-ROTJ sequels was the 80's. The tech ain't advanced enough to fit your vision, Lucas? Really? The original trilogy looked just fine. Might have been ok to wait until the 90's for the sequels. Now? If the original actors are in the background, fine, but as central leads in a brand new adventure? Do you realize how awful Ford looked in the Crystal Skullfucking and realize he'll be years older than that by the time this turd is pinched off?

Oh, right. Nobody cares about quality.

Damn it, every time I think I've finally let go and am no longer caring what they do to the franchise, they come up with some fresh, new obscenity that has me going Joe Pesci.

Re:This is stupid (2)

wiggles (30088) | about 2 years ago | (#41957395)

I heard once that the reason he didn't do anything with SW after ROTJ was because his ex-wife had a clause in the pre-nup that guaranteed her a certain percentage of Star Wars revenue for 10 years after their divorce - he started work on the special editions as soon as it expired.

Just a rumor, though - I have nothing confirming it.

I don't care . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41957061)

what they do, as long as they have Mara Jade in it.

Dissapointed by headline (1)

SleazyRidr (1563649) | about 2 years ago | (#41957313)

Am I the only one who misread the headline as "Little Miss Sunshine gets naked for Star Wars"?

For Fuck's Sake. (1)

Seumas (6865) | about 2 years ago | (#41957393)

Star Wars was THIRTY FIVE FUCKING YEARS AGO. It was fantastic at the time, I'm sure. Can we please fucking move on?

Post movie characters are well established (1)

caseih (160668) | about 2 years ago | (#41957495)

For years before the prequels were made, the characters and storylines have been well-established, and fairly consistent. It will be interesting to see if they choose to throw it all out.

Every Star Wars fan knows that Han and Leia marry, and have 3 children: twins Jaina and Jacen and son Anakin (wikipedia even knows this!). Luke marries Mara Jade, and they have one son, Ben.

Of course recent authors have tried to make the story edgy and gritty by killing off Mara Jade, having Jacen become a sith lord. So I guess it doesn't matter what Disney chooses to do.

At least we have the Timothy Zhan trilogy that they can never take from us!

Anybody remember that episode of South Park... (0)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about 2 years ago | (#41957501)

Where George Lucas rapes Indiana Jones? Ya it's kind of like that, but w Han Solo.

If StarWars.EpisodeNumber... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41957567)

if exist StarWars.EpisodeNumber AND if StarWars.EpisodeNumber LESSTHAN* 4 OR if StarWars.EpisodeNumber GREATERTHAN* 6 then movie == $WillSuckMajorAss

(* Stupid slashdot, inequality operators don't work right... and I can't be bothered to figure out how to make them work. Tried the back-slash escape, didn't work. Fuck it.)

Just like Battle For Endor and the Droids Gay Ass Christmas Special.

Don't be mad I called it Gay. C3PO was the gayest robot since the queeroids in Woody Allen's "Sleeper". They don't make 'em much gayer than that.

If they want to salvage this useless, pointless project, let Seth McFarlane do it, then at least it might be funny.

One Question About Arndt That I Care About: (1)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | about 2 years ago | (#41957623)

It doesn't matter what he's written before, so long as what he wrote before was good for its genre. A good writer can transition from kid's story to space opera without any problem so long as he understands genre well.

The one question I care about is this: Is Arndt a fan? Does he have an old Boba Fett action figure that he's kept since they came out (and not one in mint condition, one where most of the paint has worn off by handling)? Does he have a dog eared copy of the Thrawn trilogy? Does he still have the VHS original series--for obvious reasons--even though he no longer has a VCR? Does he care about the story and does he recognize why fans over 12 are miffed? I'm not asking whether he's a bat-shit crazy fan like, say, myself or my wife. I'm not talking about the kind of fan who cannot talk about the prequels in polite company, such a person would have trouble writing the new movies. I'm talking about the kind of fan who, unlike Lucas [tor.com] , recognizes that once art is made other people invest themselves in it. A person who's willing to respect that.

TFA gives some small new hope.

‘Arndt stated that if a writer could resolve the story's arcs (internal, external, philosophical) immediately after the Moment of Despair at the climax, he or she would deliver the Insanely Great Ending and put the audience in a euphoric state. The faster it could happen, the better. By [Arndt’s] reckoning, George Lucas hit those three marks at the climax of Star Wars within a space of 22 seconds.’

Assuming Star Wars here means the original (Episode IV), then he sees one of the things that was so right, even in the weakest (or second weakest, I'll negotiate on this point) of the original trilogy. But more hopeful still is the fact that he recognizes story arcs need to be resolved. If he would say openly that he recognizes the inconsistencies created by the new movies, I would plan on seeing the next movie on opening night.

A final note for Disney: The first SW movie my wife saw, she watched seven times in the theater. I bought countless books and subscribed to magazines, etc. All this ended with the disastrous prequels. Fans are worth money. We are willing to give it to you. You can make a movie that pleases the older fans, who've more money, and the very young, who've endless appetites, at the same time. I seem to recall some movies from the late seventies and early eighties that did just that.

Star Wars Episode VII - A New Hospice (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41957683)

Star Wars Episode VIII - The Arthritis Strikes Back
Star Wars Episode IX - The Return of the .... Say what sonny?

Seriously, the original actors aren't looking so good these days.

Going against the /. grain (3, Interesting)

PortHaven (242123) | about 2 years ago | (#41957717)

I'm actually for this, if they incorporate a story involving Hammil, Fisher, & Ford. I feel it needs that, just as Leonard Nimoy added to the the revisioned Star Trek.

If they use the characters properly....... (1)

zaibazu (976612) | about 2 years ago | (#41957767)

If it plays 30-40 years after the original trilogy why not. They can't be that stupid to use them as protagonists.

Unless they set up Thrawn as an antagonist for a whole trilogy I doubt a single movie would do him justice.

the problem is... (0)

roc97007 (608802) | about 2 years ago | (#41957793)

Disney won't be making new Star Wars films for us, the existing fanbase. They'd be making them for their prime demographic. They'd be crazy not to, after having dropped that much cash for the franchise. So the stories will be sweet and not too scary and have a bunch of kids in the cast and probably have songs. We are not looking at some expanded universe or novels realized on the screen, we're looking at something more in line with The Ewok Adventure. We all need to get used to that, or opening day is going to be a huge disappointment.

Yeah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41957887)

May the farce be with you. Always.

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