BeOS Clone Haiku Releases R1 Alpha 4 117
New submitter kallisti5 writes "The Haiku project released their 4th alpha release today. A year and four months have passed since the 3rd alpha release. Haiku R1A4 includes several enhancements such as a large number of bug fixes, early IPv6 support, better drivers, improved file system support, better localization, and a wide variety of new features and applications."
Multimedia enhancements include support for modern Intel and Radeon HD cards.
By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (Score:5, Insightful)
... and nobody will remember what "Haiku" or "BeOS" is all about.
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no kidding, most people cant even remember what the X is OSX is for...
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no kidding, most people cant even remember what the X is OSX is for...
And very few seem to realize that there is no X in either Playstation or Playstation 1 (aka PS1, not to be confused with the IBM PS/1).
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I use PS1 similar to how The Great War later became known as World War I, one of those after the fact things.
And thanks for explaining where the term PSX came from. I'm still tempted now to feign surprise at how we missed out on the Playstation 4 through 9 though whenever people continue to refer to the original Playstation as the PSX. Muahahahaha.
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Ack, I hate that. They don't seem to realize that the PSX was a different piece of kit. [wikipedia.org]
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oh I don't know, Beos officially died in 2001? 02? and it still has an active cult behind it..
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oh I don't know, Beos officially died in 2001? 02? and it still has an active cult behind it..
The Mormans use it?
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Too much LDS back in the '60s.
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Legion of the undead?
We have that in the Amiga camp to. :D
Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (Score:5, Funny)
Be is gone so sad
Haiku is here so no fear
Bits and bytes take time
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It's only really sad
if you still give a fuck
which too would be sad
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O.S. philistine
can't count haiku syllables
so his verse is fail
Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (Score:4, Funny)
In 10 years, nobody will remember what "Haiku" or "BeOS" is all about.
...unlike today, when hordes of people know what "Haiku" and "BeOS" are all about. Right?
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Personally, I loved BeOS, but for various reasons ended up as something of a dead end. Everything else has moved on. There are still a few nice idea in the OS but I'd far prefer to see them incorporated into something new.
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Haiku has been making excellent progress over the last couple of years compared to another clone, ReactOS. Haiku is actually quite usable as it is and pretty stable. In fact, I'd say its stability gives Win9x and even most Windows XP installations I've seen a run for their money. I don't mess with Windows any more since XP, but I do know at least one person who kept getting program crashed and BSODs in Vista and he still gets them occasionally in 7. ReactOS, by comparison, feels like a pre-alpha at best
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Giving Win9x a run for its money in terms of stability is almost an insult. The thing barely booted up !
XP is another matter.
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I know it's popular to hate on Win9x, but quit spreading bullshit like that.
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I've used Windows 2, then 3, then 3.1 then 95, then 98, then ME. They are such monumental piece of crap that they - IMO - do not deserve the title of OS. They were a poorly written graphical layer on top of DOS, which was just a "Disk Operating System". It managed disks and barely anything else.
Granted, over the years, they added several things, such as printer drivers support, graphics drivers support etc and it made it look more and more like a full fledged operating system. However, trying to run a few t
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This is popular revisionism. Starting with Windows 3.1 it was no longer a DOS program as it used its own drivers and did its own memory management.
Nonsense. Windows 95 and its younger brethren are preemptive multi-task
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This is popular revisionism. Starting with Windows 3.1 it was no longer a DOS program as it used its own drivers and did its own memory management.
In fact, starting at Windows 95, things get a little muddy, I agree. But there is still MS-DOS behind the scene as all old programs need it. So apps are given way too many privileges. And the scheduler is based on interruptions which can be meddled with from any MS-DOS app.
Nonsense. Windows 95 and its younger brethren are preemptive multi-tasking OSs.
Well, technically true. But given the fact that accessing a floppy disk drive halts the entire system, I'll say they missed the target by a wide margin. In fact, any interrupt call can freeze the OS to death. So my point stands: apps were
Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (Score:5, Funny)
the slashdot racists
trolling with small endowment
go back to 4chan
Does it run on real hardware? (Score:2)
Or is it only fit for a virtual machine?
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runs pretty good on my pentium 1
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Luxury! I've just upgraded from an SX to a DX!
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Yes, it does run on real hardware. You can either write a raw disk image to a hard drive partition and then boot it using grub, or download a live CD.
In future news (Score:5, Funny)
BeOS looked cool (Score:2)
BeOS was a good looking interface - for its time. Now it (and by extension Haiku) looks rather dated by comparison with modern GUIs (especially when you look at the lovely looking things that Apple, or google with its Android project buttery loveliness create.
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Anyone who uses the Dock as an application switcher is an idiot. As is anyone that uses the taskbar in Windows.
Application switching should be done with the keyboard. Cmd+Tab, ~+Tab, Alt+Tab. For even faster results, [cmd/alt]+tab & mouse click.
I think your developer is an idiot.
Haiku will be Linux for the desktop (Score:3, Insightful)
You naysayers can feel free to call me crazy, but Haiku has a better chance at winning the desktop than Linux ever did. It is exactly the kind of coherent and elegantly designed platform that is as attractive to users as it is to developers. Haiku has been a slow starter, so it may take a while to happen unless more devs start to look at the prospect of seriously contributing to it. But the truth is, quality takes time. The Linux approach of "code first, ask questions later" does get things done faster. The desktop is just one of those cases where better will always beat faster in the long run.
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Which would you choose: pretty, but zero available apps; or less elegant, but you can get work done?
It may be "elegant", but I cannot find *ANY* technical advantage this has over some normal, mature Linux distro.
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Different people have different definitions of "work".
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I'll give you a technical advantage: it's designed for the desktop instead of the server all the way down to the kernel. Linux makes for a shitty desktop all things considered.
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Shenanigans. I tested it a couple of years ago and was definitely unimpressed. It's not godawful ugly, but it's not that pretty either. It is in fact clearly outdated, old-fashioned, obsolete. It is clearly based on Windows 95, only worse. Add little choice in applications and obviously poor hardware support, and this will never be anything more than a hobby for lonely nerds with nothing to do on a Saturday night.
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The reason for the outdated interface is that Haiku R1 is going to be strictly an attempt to clone BeOS. That was always the stated goal of the project. R2 on the other hand, will be the version where the Haiku team really focuses on building upon what they have to create something better. That being said, the internals of Haiku are already fairly robust and capable, and have advanced well beyond the capabilities of BeOS. I think that once R1 is complete and the internals are solid and stable, the road to 2
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The road to 2.0 (or will it be 3.0?) will be plagued by unsupported hardware issues. That will be a show stopper.
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You post as AC and I am the troll???
Look, people need some kind of incentive to use anything, and first impressions are critical. When people see an OS that looks like it's 18 years old, they will not like it, they will most certainly not find any reason to use it.
Even if they do, what about hardware and drivers? Linux fights an uphill battle to support as much hardware diversity as possible, and pretty much succeeds because there is a lot of people working on it. Haiku has a very small community, badly und
Haiku (Score:1)
Haiku, BeOS. / One inspired by the other. / R1, Alpha 4.
Beta Anyone? (Score:1)
The Haiku project released their 4th alpha release today.....
Me? I'm waiting for their 2nd beta release.
Year Of The Haiku Desktop! (Score:1)
If you can surf porn with it, its good to go!
VirtualBox (Score:2)
Can it run on Virtualbox?
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Yes. Just make a new machine and mount the two drives.
Re:NO ONE GIVES A FUCK!!!! (Score:5, Funny)
fuck you geek faggots.
Go ahead and continue. You got the format correct for the first line. Now you need to come up with 2 more lines for your entry to be complete.
Re:NO ONE GIVES A FUCK!!!! (Score:4, Funny)
Yes, that would work. We can make a world class poet out of Mr. Ballmer yet.
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I thought "by Anonymous Coward" was the middle line.
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a) the GPL is considered pretty evil by lawyers. If you're trying to develop a commercial product, best make sure it has no GPL code in it.
b) some people hate Richard Stallman even more than they hate Steve Ballmer.
Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop (Score:4, Informative)
If you're trying to develop a commercial product, best make sure it has no GPL code in it.
I think you mean: If you're trying to develop a commercial product by stealing others' code and claiming it's your own, best make sure it has no GPL code in it.
GPL code has no legal problems that aren't much larger if you base your work on someone else's proprietary code. GPL merely legalizes your "stealing", but says you must then permit others to "steal" your code as well. With proprietary code, anything you do with it is illegal.
Not that this matters much to the users, who mostly don't ever write any code, much less attempt to sell it.
(There's a long tradition in technical circles of taking insults and turning them into technical jargon. And there's the old saying that copying from one person is plagiarism, but copying from many is research. ;-)
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Why is the attitude that copyright infrigement is stealing tolerated so much more here when applied to the GPL than file sharing?
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Simple, because in the case of copyright infringement, no one is taking Rihanna's songs, posting them online and claiming them as their own (i.e. "look at these songs I made!").
What you are talking about, though, is neither copyright infringement nor stealing: it's plagiarizing. As in the simple pre-GPL world, the rules are simple: want to build derivative works off of mine and sell them for profit? You can do that, you just need a specific license from me to do that (as happens with any other non-free soft
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In both cases, the worse offence of making money off the copyright infringement still only arises because you have infringed on copyright. Plagiarism is nothing to do with it.
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Using a piece of GPL code in a proprietary software is not necessarily plagiarism. You may publicly announce the code is in there. It's still copyright ingringement in that it doesn't respect the terms and conditions set by the original author.
Much like the latest Rihanna's song.
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It's also worth noting that the GPL actually encourages plagiarism in some cases. Consider someone wanting to use freely available code as the basis for a closed source offering (or maybe even open source, but doesn't want to deal with the hassle of the GPL's draconian source archive management requirements). If the code the person finds that best suits his or her needs is distributed under the MIT/X11 License (for instance), that person might proudly refer to the open source roots of the software. If it
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When your license imposes the overhead costs of a bunch of source archive management, bookkeeping, and so on, it creates incentives to plagiarize for people working on projects that do not turn a profit or for startups.
Once again, we might note that this isn't a property of the GPL; it's just as true for proprietary code. The only real difference is that GPL'd code is usually published openly and comes with a license that lets anyone use the code for free, while you typically have to pay for a license to use proprietary code -- if you can even get a license to use the code.
There is no difference in the legally required accountability when you use someone else's code. If you do this at all, you need to keep good recor
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When your license imposes the overhead costs of a bunch of source archive management, bookkeeping, and so on, it creates incentives to plagiarize for people working on projects that do not turn a profit or for startups.
Once again, we might note that this isn't a property of the GPL; it's just as true for proprietary code. The only real difference is that GPL'd code is usually published openly and comes with a license that lets anyone use the code for free, while you typically have to pay for a license to use proprietary code -- if you can even get a license to use the code.
It is a property of copyright restrictions in general, yes. This is, in fact, sorta my point. The GPL does not provide nearly the level of greater ease of code reuse that many people seem to think.
. . . and you completely bypassed my point, which was the fact that plagiarism is incentivized for GPLed (and, yes, proprietary) code in ways that do not apply to copyfree and public domain code. In short, any copyright restrictions that impose any overhead on the reuser of your code serves as a trade-off betwe
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Hey, my post got an "informative insightful flamebait" mod! That's the first time I've got such an awesome moderation!.
Now I only need to get the ultimate mod, which of course also includes "funny". I've been trying for that combo for years, to no avail. ;-)
Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop (Score:4)
a) the GPL is considered pretty evil by lawyers.
ITYM: the GPL is considered pretty evil by incompetent lawyers. It's good that way. If your lawyer has an irrational fear of the GPL, the fire the lawyer since it's clear you've wound up with a duff one.
If you're trying to develop a commercial product, best make sure it has no GPL code in it.
Like RHEL, IBM, Android, Linksys, and frankly, thousands of others. That's an excellent model to follow.
Oh you said avoid GPL. Right.
b) some people hate Richard Stallman even more than they hate Steve Ballmer.
Well, if people are going to make strange, irrational decisions based on strange, irrational assumptions about a person they've never met and who has little if anything to do with what they're using, then they get what they deserve.
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I mean, just look at him or listen to him
... or smell him.
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The key advantage to Commercial Software is you tend to know what the motives are for the software maker. To Make money.
For Open Source they have a lot of different motives.
Gain Experience, Give their Ego's a boost, Trying to give back to the community, Sell additional services later...
That is the problem, I agree Making money isn't the most noble cause in the world, however if you realize that is the game they are playing you as the consumer can use it to your advantage, because you can always say No I wil