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BeOS Clone Haiku Releases R1 Alpha 4

Unknown Lamer posted about 2 years ago | from the unix-haters-handbook dept.

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New submitter kallisti5 writes "The Haiku project released their 4th alpha release today. A year and four months have passed since the 3rd alpha release. Haiku R1A4 includes several enhancements such as a large number of bug fixes, early IPv6 support, better drivers, improved file system support, better localization, and a wide variety of new features and applications." Multimedia enhancements include support for modern Intel and Radeon HD cards.

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First Haiku (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41961805)

WOW! :-)

By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (4, Insightful)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about 2 years ago | (#41961837)

... and nobody will remember what "Haiku" or "BeOS" is all about.

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41961875)

no kidding, most people cant even remember what the X is OSX is for...

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (1)

Scarletdown (886459) | about 2 years ago | (#41962125)

no kidding, most people cant even remember what the X is OSX is for...

And very few seem to realize that there is no X in either Playstation or Playstation 1 (aka PS1, not to be confused with the IBM PS/1).

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41962601)

PSX was the internal codename used for the PlayStation. PS1 was never used and PSOne was only used for the redesigned slim model.

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (1)

Scarletdown (886459) | about 2 years ago | (#41962743)

I use PS1 similar to how The Great War later became known as World War I, one of those after the fact things.

And thanks for explaining where the term PSX came from. I'm still tempted now to feign surprise at how we missed out on the Playstation 4 through 9 though whenever people continue to refer to the original Playstation as the PSX. Muahahahaha.

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (1)

Atomic Fro (150394) | about 2 years ago | (#41964143)

Ack, I hate that. They don't seem to realize that the PSX was a different piece of kit. [wikipedia.org]

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (1)

chris200x9 (2591231) | about 2 years ago | (#41961889)

Right just like nobody knows what e17 is about...

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (1)

zikoo (1947516) | about 2 years ago | (#41963215)

If I remeber just right, everyone used to say that everone else would forget about e17.

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41961903)

oh I don't know, Beos officially died in 2001? 02? and it still has an active cult behind it..

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41962405)

oh I don't know, Beos officially died in 2001? 02? and it still has an active cult behind it..

The Mormans use it?

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41964635)

The Mormans use it?

Too much LDS back in the '60s.

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (2)

aliquis (678370) | about 2 years ago | (#41964957)

Legion of the undead?

We have that in the Amiga camp to. :D

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (5, Funny)

origin2k (302035) | about 2 years ago | (#41961923)

Be is gone so sad
Haiku is here so no fear
Bits and bytes take time

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41962381)

It's only really sad
if you still give a fuck
which too would be sad

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41962911)

O.S. philistine
can't count haiku syllables
so his verse is fail

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41961929)

I tried to jerk off.
No orgasm, but I did write
four haikus from it.

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41962029)

Your ass is so nice
Your penis inspiring
Do me. Do me now.

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41962045)

Tits: spectacular
Your booty is nice as well
Are we going to fuck?

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41962111)

Aye, lemme holla
Aye girl, you with the fat ass
Aiight, fuck you then

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41961955)

Negroes are worthless
Even the ones who play sports
The White man's burden

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41961967)

Blacks are smelly beasts
They all need to be hosed down
And then sent back home

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41961971)

I'm not fond of Japs
But at least they're not negroes
And Haiku is fun

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41961979)

Beware of Whites who
Say that we are all equal
They are idiots

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41962135)

the slashdot racists
trolling with small endowment
go back to 4chan

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41961987)

fat us virgin
al queda kicked your butt
ha ha ha ha ha

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41961999)

You go down on me
And I will pleasure you, too
Maybe in the butt.

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (5, Funny)

lucmove (757341) | about 2 years ago | (#41962229)

In 10 years, nobody will remember what "Haiku" or "BeOS" is all about.

...unlike today, when hordes of people know what "Haiku" and "BeOS" are all about. Right?

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (1)

91degrees (207121) | about 2 years ago | (#41965651)

You can more or less say that about it now.

Personally, I loved BeOS, but for various reasons ended up as something of a dead end. Everything else has moved on. There are still a few nice idea in the OS but I'd far prefer to see them incorporated into something new.

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (3, Interesting)

UltraZelda64 (2309504) | about 2 years ago | (#41965701)

Haiku has been making excellent progress over the last couple of years compared to another clone, ReactOS. Haiku is actually quite usable as it is and pretty stable. In fact, I'd say its stability gives Win9x and even most Windows XP installations I've seen a run for their money. I don't mess with Windows any more since XP, but I do know at least one person who kept getting program crashed and BSODs in Vista and he still gets them occasionally in 7. ReactOS, by comparison, feels like a pre-alpha at best, or an old Win9x release at the worst. As far as reaching R1 goes, I don't think there'll be anywhere near 10 years of waiting... the OS feels pretty good as it is already.

Re:By the time version 1 arrives, in 10 years ... (2)

Pieroxy (222434) | about 2 years ago | (#41966147)

Giving Win9x a run for its money in terms of stability is almost an insult. The thing barely booted up !

XP is another matter.

Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41961917)

(Subject says it all.)

--libman

Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop (2)

Bradmont (513167) | about 2 years ago | (#41962357)

Why GPL-free? How does having, say, the Linux kernel, under the GPL affect an end user?

Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop (1, Interesting)

sunderland56 (621843) | about 2 years ago | (#41963439)

a) the GPL is considered pretty evil by lawyers. If you're trying to develop a commercial product, best make sure it has no GPL code in it.

b) some people hate Richard Stallman even more than they hate Steve Ballmer.

Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop (4, Informative)

jc42 (318812) | about 2 years ago | (#41963643)

If you're trying to develop a commercial product, best make sure it has no GPL code in it.

I think you mean: If you're trying to develop a commercial product by stealing others' code and claiming it's your own, best make sure it has no GPL code in it.

GPL code has no legal problems that aren't much larger if you base your work on someone else's proprietary code. GPL merely legalizes your "stealing", but says you must then permit others to "steal" your code as well. With proprietary code, anything you do with it is illegal.

Not that this matters much to the users, who mostly don't ever write any code, much less attempt to sell it.

(There's a long tradition in technical circles of taking insults and turning them into technical jargon. And there's the old saying that copying from one person is plagiarism, but copying from many is research. ;-)

Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop (2)

91degrees (207121) | about 2 years ago | (#41965071)

I think you mean: If you're trying to develop a commercial product by stealing others' code and claiming it's your own, best make sure it has no GPL code in it.

Why is the attitude that copyright infrigement is stealing tolerated so much more here when applied to the GPL than file sharing?

Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41965331)

Simple, because in the case of copyright infringement, no one is taking Rihanna's songs, posting them online and claiming them as their own (i.e. "look at these songs I made!").

What you are talking about, though, is neither copyright infringement nor stealing: it's plagiarizing. As in the simple pre-GPL world, the rules are simple: want to build derivative works off of mine and sell them for profit? You can do that, you just need a specific license from me to do that (as happens with any other non-free software).

So, yeah... basically, your problem is that you choose to use ill-defined words (i.e. stealing), rather than using actual appropriate and legally-meaningful concepts.

Here, I help you:

- "Stealing" (i.e. sharing, copyright infringement) GOOD.
- "Stealing" (i.e. plagiarism, taking credit for shit you didn't do, depriving people of their property) BAD.

See... it's simple. It's just complicated for you, because you wish to conflate two very different things (plagiarism and copyright infringement) with the same concept, when they're not.

Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop (1)

91degrees (207121) | about 2 years ago | (#41965659)

So do you think that if a company decided to release a slightly modified GPL application without the source, and they were open about it being a slightly modified GPL application, people would be as forgiving as they are with file sharers?

Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop (2)

tehcyder (746570) | about 2 years ago | (#41965847)

You have just made up a totally arbitrary distinction between copyright infringement on works you don't care about (copying Rihanna's songs) and copyright infringement on works you do care about (GPL software).

In both cases, the worse offence of making money off the copyright infringement still only arises because you have infringed on copyright. Plagiarism is nothing to do with it.

Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41966651)

You have just made up a totally arbitrary distinction between copyright infringement on works you don't care about (copying Rihanna's songs) and copyright infringement on works you do care about (GPL software).

The concepts of copyright, patents and plagiarism are pretty arbitary to begin with.

Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | about 2 years ago | (#41966171)

Using a piece of GPL code in a proprietary software is not necessarily plagiarism. You may publicly announce the code is in there. It's still copyright ingringement in that it doesn't respect the terms and conditions set by the original author.

Much like the latest Rihanna's song.

Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41966201)

If someone is making money from adverts on their site, or paid subscriptions to a download service, they are using other people's music to make money. You don't have to directly claim ownership of a song to profit from it as if you owned it.

Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop (3)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about 2 years ago | (#41965695)

a) the GPL is considered pretty evil by lawyers.

ITYM: the GPL is considered pretty evil by incompetent lawyers. It's good that way. If your lawyer has an irrational fear of the GPL, the fire the lawyer since it's clear you've wound up with a duff one.

If you're trying to develop a commercial product, best make sure it has no GPL code in it.

Like RHEL, IBM, Android, Linksys, and frankly, thousands of others. That's an excellent model to follow.

Oh you said avoid GPL. Right.

b) some people hate Richard Stallman even more than they hate Steve Ballmer.

Well, if people are going to make strange, irrational decisions based on strange, irrational assumptions about a person they've never met and who has little if anything to do with what they're using, then they get what they deserve.

Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop (1)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | about 2 years ago | (#41965839)

Well, if people are going to make strange, irrational decisions based on strange, irrational assumptions about a person they've never met and who has little if anything to do with what they're using, then they get what they deserve.

You kind of have to admit that Stallman is doing more harm than any good every time he sticks his beard out of his hole. I mean, just look at him or listen to him -- is it any wonder then that people make irrational assumptions about him?

Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 2 years ago | (#41967259)

I mean, just look at him or listen to him

... or smell him.

Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop (2)

jellomizer (103300) | about 2 years ago | (#41966417)

The key advantage to Commercial Software is you tend to know what the motives are for the software maker. To Make money.

For Open Source they have a lot of different motives.
Gain Experience, Give their Ego's a boost, Trying to give back to the community, Sell additional services later...

That is the problem, I agree Making money isn't the most noble cause in the world, however if you realize that is the game they are playing you as the consumer can use it to your advantage, because you can always say No I will not buy that unless you do X for me. When there are a different set of motives you get an inconsistent experience working the GNU software suppliers. Some will be great and you get software far better than with commercial. But you also get the people who will not do anything to help you (Write your own damn patch) because they are not interested in the end user at all.

Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41963481)

Obviously, gp wants to pass off someone else's work as his own.

GPL faggotry (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41963923)

More likely he's got a bunch of his own work and he's being careful not to pollute that with any work that would then legally force him to give up his own.

The GPL is very similar to an infection. Best to stay 100% clear of it. /lawyer

Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41970533)

Nothing could be further from the truth. I prefer copyfree [copyfree.org] software for philosophical [freestateproject.org] reasons [freetalklive.com] . Copyleft is not really free software [softwareli...nfront.org] - it is open source software with legal threats [questioncopyright.org] and anti-capitalist propaganda [stallman.org] attached.

Notice how anyone critical of GPL gets "(Score: -1)", regardless of the substance of their arguments... This is making Slashdot look like a commie cult! Having a freer license is one of Haiku OS's greatest accomplishment, which needs to be recognized. They could have gone the easier route and borrowed code from Linux and other GPL projects, but they didn't.

So big kudos to the Haiku OS team for trying to create a Linux competitor in the market segment where the pure copyfree stack is rather weak: user-friendly desktop clients, netbooks, tablets, etc (although FreeBSD + E17 might be gaining ground as well).

--libman

Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41968999)

Why not one of the BSDs then?

Re:Hoping for a light GPL-free desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41970925)

Haiku OS has a different focus than the BSD's, and it offers a full client-side stack, from the specialized kernel to the widgets to desktop apps. Haiku is fully object-oriented code (which will simplify scripting). It offers an alternative not only to Linux but also to X / Wayland (the latter being Linux-only), and GPL-poisoned GTK+ / Qt / Java, GNOME / KDE / etc, and the apps built on top of them. FreeBSD + X + E17 is a promising combination, but Haiku takes a different approach and can thus deliver a more integrated and light-weight desktop experience.

It also offers an alternative to the "the browser is the desktop" HTML5+ paradigm, which I'm a big fan of (thinking of writing a package manager for locally cloning copyfree WebApps / SS API's / data dumps). This paradigm obviously still has many problems, especially performance issues for older or mobile computers, as well as usability issues, etc. (Plus there is no pure-copyfree modern UNIX Web browser yet. Chromium comes closest, but has "half of gnome" of dependencies. Opera has no GNUpendencies, but is closed-source itself.) As far as I know, by replacing dependence on GTK+ and the like, Web+ [wikipedia.org] is the most copyfree HTML5 client in existence!) If Haiku OS can deliver sandboxed native applications via the Web (like NaCl [wikipedia.org] , but on the desktop, and with rich-yet-secure access to OS API's), that would be truly revolutionary!

--libman

Does it run on real hardware? (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | about 2 years ago | (#41961957)

Or is it only fit for a virtual machine?

Re:Does it run on real hardware? (2)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 2 years ago | (#41962003)

runs pretty good on my pentium 1

Re:Does it run on real hardware? (2)

Whiteox (919863) | about 2 years ago | (#41964677)

Luxury! I've just upgraded from an SX to a DX!

Re:Does it run on real hardware? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41965835)

I'll give you a blowjob for that DX!

Re:Does it run on real hardware? (1)

BenoitRen (998927) | about 2 years ago | (#41962609)

Yes, it does run on real hardware. You can either write a raw disk image to a hard drive partition and then boot it using grub, or download a live CD.

Re:Does it run on real hardware? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41965193)

runs good on amd machines, runs AWESOME on Intel machines, including netbooks

Re:Does it run on real hardware? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41966103)

Actually it won't boot on my fx-8150 and on my 3670 apu it booted into what had to be the wrong video mode, then crashed.

I have a feeling if I disabled sata and set it to compatibility mode it might boot on the one machine, but I didn't really want to mess with it.

In future news (5, Funny)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 2 years ago | (#41962067)

I just got back from a trip in my DeLorean and in 2017 Haiku Release R1 Beta 1 was announced.

NO ONE GIVES A FUCK!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41962105)

fuck you geek faggots.

Re:NO ONE GIVES A FUCK!!!! (5, Funny)

Scarletdown (886459) | about 2 years ago | (#41962147)

fuck you geek faggots.

Go ahead and continue. You got the format correct for the first line. Now you need to come up with 2 more lines for your entry to be complete.

Re:NO ONE GIVES A FUCK!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41962391)

between the title and the content, he just needs a middle line. I suggest "damn mother fucking os." Truly a masterpiece for the ages.

Re:NO ONE GIVES A FUCK!!!! (3, Funny)

Scarletdown (886459) | about 2 years ago | (#41962535)

Yes, that would work. We can make a world class poet out of Mr. Ballmer yet.

Re:NO ONE GIVES A FUCK!!!! (1)

sheath (4100) | about 2 years ago | (#41968009)

I thought "by Anonymous Coward" was the middle line.

Re:NO ONE GIVES A FUCK!!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41969713)

Fuck you geek faggots
By Anonymous Coward
Pearls thrown to the pigs

FTFY (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41970057)

NO ONE GIVES A FUCK!!!!
by Anonymous Coward
Fuck you geek faggots

Re:NO ONE GIVES A FUCK!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41962813)

Surprisingly simple. Surprisingly amusing. Honestly, this troll post made me giggle.

mmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41962433)

A year and four months
Passing since the 3rd alpha release
Beos Clone, not Windows

BeOS looked cool (2)

King-Raz (51985) | about 2 years ago | (#41962629)

BeOS was a good looking interface - for its time. Now it (and by extension Haiku) looks rather dated by comparison with modern GUIs (especially when you look at the lovely looking things that Apple, or google with its Android project buttery loveliness create.

Re:BeOS looked cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41964633)

I think the original BeOS looks much better than anything that Apple is coming out with today.

Re:BeOS looked cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41964853)

at the lovely looking things that Apple

Apple? I saw some iMacs in our app dev team's area last week; what a cluttered, monochromatic, unintuitive interface.

The developer spent most of his time mousing back and forth along the Dock, trying to find what he wanted to show me. Then followed some jiggling as he tugged at the one resizing corner of the window to try and arrange it beside another.

It was like watching someone using Windows 3.1

Re:BeOS looked cool (1)

uglyduckling (103926) | about 2 years ago | (#41967061)

By what you're describing, he's on a pretty outdated version of the OS, and has it configured stupidly. And, by the way, unintuitive is not the same as unfamiliar.

Re:BeOS looked cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41968157)

at the lovely looking things that Apple

Apple? I saw some iMacs in our app dev team's area last week; what a cluttered, monochromatic, unintuitive interface.

The developer spent most of his time mousing back and forth along the Dock, trying to find what he wanted to show me. Then followed some jiggling as he tugged at the one resizing corner of the window to try and arrange it beside another.

It was like watching someone using Windows 3.1

That's nothing. You should see my boss trying to use his computer.

What does this have to do with anything again?

Haiku will be Linux for the desktop (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41962719)

You naysayers can feel free to call me crazy, but Haiku has a better chance at winning the desktop than Linux ever did. It is exactly the kind of coherent and elegantly designed platform that is as attractive to users as it is to developers. Haiku has been a slow starter, so it may take a while to happen unless more devs start to look at the prospect of seriously contributing to it. But the truth is, quality takes time. The Linux approach of "code first, ask questions later" does get things done faster. The desktop is just one of those cases where better will always beat faster in the long run.

Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop (1)

sunderland56 (621843) | about 2 years ago | (#41963459)

Which would you choose: pretty, but zero available apps; or less elegant, but you can get work done?

It may be "elegant", but I cannot find *ANY* technical advantage this has over some normal, mature Linux distro.

Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41963601)

Ease of development and having your code "just work" on any computer you try to compile/run it on would be a few. But you're right, Haiku will never be usable as an everyday OS until it gets some serious software to run. I just don't really see that as being an insurmountable roadblock. Linux was an attractive platform to people who wanted an open source non-proprietary platform on which to develop software, and Haiku is attractive for the same reason. All it really needs to do is convince people Linux on the desktop has failed (not a big challenge), and that Haiku is a viable alternative (a bigger challenge, but one I think Haiku will eventually meet).

Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41970699)

Ease of development and having your code "just work" on any computer you try to compile/run it on would be a few. But you're right, Haiku will never be usable as an everyday OS until it gets some serious software to run. I just don't really see that as being an insurmountable roadblock. Linux was an attractive platform to people who wanted an open source non-proprietary platform on which to develop software, and Haiku is attractive for the same reason. All it really needs to do is convince people Linux on the desktop has failed (not a big challenge), and that Haiku is a viable alternative (a bigger challenge, but one I think Haiku will eventually meet).

The Desktop is dead. *nix already won that war with Android and IOS. Microsoft is not even planning to make a Desktop OS anymore and is just going to push Windows 8 everywhere instead. So, how well will Haiku work for mobile? What about Haiku is so attractive to users that you can't just implement it as a UI layer on top of Linux or whatever? If Linux is not attractive to users, why is Android doing so well?

Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop (1)

mattr (78516) | about 2 years ago | (#41963703)

Different people have different definitions of "work".

Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop (1)

cb88 (1410145) | about 2 years ago | (#41969463)

Well for the basic chat (Caya + Stack and Tile is pretty sweet) and web surfing its already pretty good it just needs some html5 support to round it out. There are a few decent little games too. Nothing heavy duty but its nice for light usage with the added nicety of having a very responsive media player (nocks the socks off VLC in that regard however has a few missing features). Also note that QT 4.8 is ported and there will probably be 5.0 soon enough. It is a pretty good port as well considering how well qupzilla works.

Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41963981)

Speaking as a developer, that "zero available apps" thing can be fixed with little more than a c compiler and a linker, as long as they document the APIs and keep them stable -- none of this fucking "removed" or "deprecated" bullshit that Apple pulls, please. If you need to change an API, duplicate it, give the duplicate a new name, point to it in the existing one and say why one might want to use it, but DON'T BREAK THE ORIGINAL. If this grows the OS, so be it -- memory is cheap.

I'd like to port some really cool apps -- audio, graphics editing, more -- to a non-GPL environment that is friendly to commercial proprietary apps. If that's not what BeOS is, then I'll just watch. Just like I do with linux. :)

Something else that might do a lot for BeOS is if they can get Qt to generate code for it. There are a *lot* of Qt apps.

Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41965043)

Do you know what POSIX means? It means you can recompile your UNIX apps without ridiculous amounts of effort. (Theoretically, it means no effort, but this is the real world...)

As far as technical advantage, try it on a netbook. It kicks ass in for the PC use-case because you don't have a big hairy networked/time-sharing display system (i.e. X window); you have a built-in GUI. This means craptons of responsiveness.

Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop (1)

BenoitRen (998927) | about 2 years ago | (#41966107)

I'll give you a technical advantage: it's designed for the desktop instead of the server all the way down to the kernel. Linux makes for a shitty desktop all things considered.

Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop (2)

lucmove (757341) | about 2 years ago | (#41964005)

Shenanigans. I tested it a couple of years ago and was definitely unimpressed. It's not godawful ugly, but it's not that pretty either. It is in fact clearly outdated, old-fashioned, obsolete. It is clearly based on Windows 95, only worse. Add little choice in applications and obviously poor hardware support, and this will never be anything more than a hobby for lonely nerds with nothing to do on a Saturday night.

Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41964365)

The reason for the outdated interface is that Haiku R1 is going to be strictly an attempt to clone BeOS. That was always the stated goal of the project. R2 on the other hand, will be the version where the Haiku team really focuses on building upon what they have to create something better. That being said, the internals of Haiku are already fairly robust and capable, and have advanced well beyond the capabilities of BeOS. I think that once R1 is complete and the internals are solid and stable, the road to 2.0 will be a much shorter one.

Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41965029)

Look, GP just said BeOS's UI is "clearly based on Windows 95, only worse." He did everything but said "Netcraft confirms it".

Seriously, why are you feeding the obvious troll. Dumbass.

Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop (1)

lucmove (757341) | about 2 years ago | (#41967739)

You post as AC and I am the troll???

Look, people need some kind of incentive to use anything, and first impressions are critical. When people see an OS that looks like it's 18 years old, they will not like it, they will most certainly not find any reason to use it.

Even if they do, what about hardware and drivers? Linux fights an uphill battle to support as much hardware diversity as possible, and pretty much succeeds because there is a lot of people working on it. Haiku has a very small community, badly understaffed already. They can't afford to support hardware. That is sure to put a terrible hamper on any "year of the Haiku desktop" idea.

Look at the BSD projects. My Wifi NIC works fine on every Linux distro I have tried with this computer (many), but it won't work on NetBSD. NetBSD has been understaffed for a loooong time.

It's just reality: making an OS, as in a really full and complete OS that works and provides a decent user experience, is a gigantic task. Linux does pretty well because it has a very large community.

And, back to first impressions: projects that are constantly focused "on the future" with little regard for the present don't usually get much love as well. We've been hearing nerds say that BSDs are extremely well planned, solid, clean, made by perfectionists, everything else is crap etc... But what happens every time I try a BSD? There is always something that doesn't work, is not supported, is not complete, is being worked on (for many years, mind you). The day I can actually use it and rely on it without hassles never comes. Holy mackarel, that day never comes! It always is, and seems it will always be an endless promise for the future. Maybe Linux's fart doesn't smell like roses, but heck, it works! At this glacial pace, Haiku has been already sending a bad message for a long time, bad enough that many people will not even bother trying it. Why would they? What's the incentive?

Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop (1)

lucmove (757341) | about 2 years ago | (#41967787)

The road to 2.0 (or will it be 3.0?) will be plagued by unsupported hardware issues. That will be a show stopper.

Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop (1)

cb88 (1410145) | about 2 years ago | (#41969607)

Years!? And you haven't tried it again? The themeing has being updated some and if it was years ago you haven't tried the Stack and Tile windowing. Its also an order of magnitude more stable these days. Also https://github.com/looncraz?tab=activity [github.com] ... yeah thats compositing support work happening now the possibiltity rounded windows, real transparancy and improved themeing is probably going to happen pre R1.

Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41964417)

Good! I was just going to ask "does it run Linux?" :)

Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41965095)

Imagine a Beoswulf cluster of these!

Re:Haiku will be Linux for the desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41965637)

"The desktop is just one of those cases where better will always beat faster in the long run."

Oh yes, sure. That's why 90% of desktop computers run Windows. :-(

R1A4? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41962983)

I suppose the final release will be R2D2...

Haiku (1)

davidwr (791652) | about 2 years ago | (#41964093)

Haiku, BeOS. / One inspired by the other. / R1, Alpha 4.

Beta Anyone? (1)

Whiteox (919863) | about 2 years ago | (#41964663)

The Haiku project released their 4th alpha release today.....

Me? I'm waiting for their 2nd beta release.

Year Of The Haiku Desktop! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41964807)

If you can surf porn with it, its good to go!

no good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41966039)

no good browser for haiku

A cloned Haiku? Isn't that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41966059)

just plagiarism? /rimshot! //I'm here all week folks

VirtualBox (1)

sproketboy (608031) | about 2 years ago | (#41967555)

Can it run on Virtualbox?

Re:VirtualBox (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41971183)

Yes. Just make a new machine and mount the two drives.

Come and gone. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41969647)

Nobody gives a shit about BeOS anymore because it took too long to become anything useful. Now it's just a hobby project run by a handful of people who are really the only people on earth who still give a damn.

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