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Sinofsky Dismisses Trying To Take Over Windows Phone, Developers

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the that's-the-technical-term dept.

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Nerval's Lobster writes "When Steven Sinofsky stepped down as head of Microsoft's Windows division earlier this week, multiple publications cited friction with other executives as the primary reason behind the departure. Whether or not that's the case—neither Sinofsky nor Microsoft has offered an official explanation, aside from the usual platitudes—someone with connections to Microsoft is claiming that Sinofsky's departure stemmed from a failed attempt to bring additional parts of the company under his control. 'Steven had apparently lost recent battles to bring both Windows Phone and the Developer Division under his control,' Hal Berenson, president of consulting group True Mountain Group and a former Microsoft executive, wrote in a Nov. 13 blog posting. 'I suspect that he saw those [losses] both as a roadblock to where he wanted to take Windows over the next few years, and a clear indication that his political power within Microsoft had peaked.' The departure, he added, was the 'outgrowth of conflict.' Berenson's claim was enough to draw Sinofsky himself into the discussion. In the comments section below the posting, Sinofsky left a short note suggesting that rumors of a multi-product takeover were, frankly, malarkey."

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It doesn't need Sinofsky... (5, Insightful)

Aphrika (756248) | about a year and a half ago | (#41995119)

Visual Studio 2010 was awesome. Visual Studio 2012 is a sea of all caps menus, grey and such a minute dash of colour that makes partially sighted people like me wonder if they hallucinated it or got up too fast...

Seriously MS, fix it, along with the Coal Bunker/Snow Blindness colour schemes. I am not on a beach in Malibu, or the cockpit of a B2 on a bombing mission FFS!

Simply Marvelous! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41995153)

Visual Studio 2010 was awesome.

*touches your face in complete disbelief to make sure you're real and not a hologram*

It's ... it's amazing how perfectly Ballmer has designed his new robots!!!

Re:Simply Marvelous! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41995207)

Christ. VS is a fantastic development environment. This bullshit where some ass comes out of the woodwork to yell "ZOMG SHILL!%#!" at anyone that makes the mistake of saying they like a msft product, is seriously old and lame.

Re:Simply Marvelous! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41995241)

Christ. VS is a fantastic development environment. This bullshit where some ass comes out of the woodwork to yell "ZOMG SHILL!%#!" at anyone that makes the mistake of saying they like a msft product, is seriously old and lame.

I swear to Christ, if it wasn't for this crap falling out of his mouth, I'd believe this was a human being before me!

Re:Simply Marvelous! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41996647)

VS is a fantastic development environment.

It's fine if you're writing code in .net targeted at a Microsoft platform. If you're trying to do something cross platform, or use a different language, or use a Makefile, or Maven, it's not so great.

Like any tool, it has advantages and drawbacks. Anyone who can't see the drawbacks is a blind fanboy.

Re:Simply Marvelous! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41996731)

That explains Reddit & Redditors...

Re:Simply Marvelous! (1)

MadKeithV (102058) | about a year ago | (#41999539)

It's fine if you're writing code in .net targeted at a Microsoft platform. If you're trying to do something cross platform, or use a different language, or use a Makefile, or Maven, it's not so great.

We do most of that just fine - generating our native C++11 Visual Studio solutions and projects with CMake (along with the XCode OSX and iOS versions).

Re:Simply Marvelous! (2)

luis_a_espinal (1810296) | about a year ago | (#42000601)

VS is a fantastic development environment.

It's fine if you're writing code in .net targeted at a Microsoft platform. If you're trying to do something cross platform, or use a different language, or use a Makefile, or Maven, it's not so great.

Good tool =/= universal tool.

Why would someone use VS for cross-platform development? Why bring that as a tool characteristic? That's a little bit red-herringnish. For .NET development, it is an awesome tool. For cross-platform development, then one should use something else (I prefer flopping back and forth Eclipse CDT and vim/ctags in such cases.)

Saying that a hammer is not a good tool for not being good at smearing cream cheese on delicate whole-wheat crackers is equally kind of weird.

Like any tool, it has advantages and drawbacks

And that is implicit of all tools, good or bad. If the tool (MSVS) is good for what it is intended for (.NET dev), then to mention it's lack of cross-platform capabilities doesn't really yield much valid information.

Anyone who can't see the drawbacks is a blind fanboy.

Saying that a tool is awesome =/= not looking at the drawbacks. Not knowing the difference is also a sign of fanboyish. Even more so when a person attributes the same flaw to another. Nice strawman, though.

Re:Simply Marvelous! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41995303)

We have open source robots now. They walk around complaining about Windows 98, Me and how MSFT is trying to take over the world. Too bad their ROMs are flashed with historical fragments from years 1994-1999.

Re:Simply Marvelous! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41995475)

We have open source robots now. They walk around complaining about Windows 98, Me and how MSFT is trying to take over the world. Too bad their ROMs are flashed with historical fragments from years 1994-1999.

Pfft. Maybe if you've got one of the cheap ones still running on the 2.2 kernel. The modern ones properly report on Apple trying to take over the world, thank you very much.

Re:Simply Marvelous! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41995575)

We have open source robots now. They walk around complaining about Windows 98, Me and how MSFT is trying to take over the world. Too bad their ROMs are flashed with historical fragments from years 1994-1999.

Oh, they're still right. It's just Microsoft's a decrepit has-been that can't get it up anymore and has no real chance of taking over the world or anything else beyond slow miserable decline into infirmity, incontinence, and incoherence. It's the Ballmer Way(tm).

Re:It doesn't need Sinofsky... (1)

toejam13 (958243) | about a year and a half ago | (#41995595)

I agree. I had VS 2012 Express installed for about a day before I backed it out and reinstalled VS 2010 Express. I tried to give it a chance but the menus gave me a headache.

Having said that, VS 2010 is a very nice product to work with. I say that as somebody who uses a Scintilla-based editor and who also has the Eclipse IDE installed. My complaints about VS are few and far between.

Re:It doesn't need Sinofsky... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41995803)

I'm in agreement that VS 2010 is fairly pleasant to work in, though not perfect. The UI redesign in VS 2012 makes it god-awful to look at and more painful to use. At least that's my experience so far, I haven't played with many of the options yet.

Re:It doesn't need Sinofsky... (1)

Kawahee (901497) | about a year and a half ago | (#41995967)

I agree with this as well. I've gotten used to VS2012 but I fired up VS2010 the other day and did a double take when I saw colour again and menus without all caps (yes, I know about the registry change). For me the metro interface on Windows 8 isn't too bad, but applying it to an application as complex as Visual Studio is silly. I hope Microsoft uses Sinofsky's departure as an opportunity to refocus on traditional desktop applications so that desktop apps can complement the tablet ones.

Re:It doesn't need Sinofsky... (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | about a year and a half ago | (#41996681)

you want to see TFS 2012... its one large blank canvas with a few bits of text here and there, no rhyme or reason for it, just minimalist and unhelpful. It also doesn't help that the menus are deliberately hidden away with no real hints that there's something to click on (on the web view that is). In the explorer, the menu items are scattered all over various menus - try setting security on the iterations.. hint: its not in the "security settings" menu item.

Microsoft will take this opportunity to focus on the cloud as a replacement for everything, driven by the 30% fee app store.

Come to think of it - the floating blocks are a start for this - if your product has an arbitrary set of disconnected features, then its easy for something else to add to them.

Re:It doesn't need Sinofsky... (1)

crudeboy (563293) | about a year and a half ago | (#41995983)

Visual Studio 2010 was awesome. Visual Studio 2012 is a sea of all caps menus, grey and such a minute dash of colour that makes partially sighted people like me wonder if they hallucinated it or got up too fast...

Seriously MS, fix it, along with the Coal Bunker/Snow Blindness colour schemes. I am not on a beach in Malibu, or the cockpit of a B2 on a bombing mission FFS!

You know you can change the color and font scheme with an extension?
http://www.hanselman.com/blog/YourColorfulVisualStudio2012WithTheColorThemeEditorVS2010ColorsToo.aspx [hanselman.com]

Re:It doesn't need Sinofsky... (1)

Kawahee (901497) | about a year and a half ago | (#41998151)

My biggest usability gripe is the monochromatic icons. This does nothing to address that, there's an extension available that grafts in the icons on top of the VS2012 binaries but I can only imagine the fragility of that, across updates and hotfixes and the like.

Got to wonder how many careers will die (-1, Troll)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about a year and a half ago | (#41995191)

as guys keep trying to "reinvent" this MS dinosaur.

Re:Got to wonder how many careers will die (0)

marcello_dl (667940) | about a year and a half ago | (#41995377)

I disagree on the dinosaur. All they have to do is enter the same mindset of the windows era. "We suck, but let's steal/copy what's already on the market and let our customer do what they please with our platform, even pirate us. Once we get the market we'll shaft them with compound interest".

And people is likely to fall for it again.

One thing I'd do, though, is use another corporation. Money is de facto anonymous, untraceable, transferable with the speed of light, why bother with a name which is mostly known for the industry of AV and of fix it again technicians...... ...oh, wait a d*mn minute...
I WANT THE LIST OF GOOGLE INVESTORS.
THE PHOTOS, NOT THE SHELL COMPANIES.
NOW! ;-)

Re:Got to wonder how many careers will die (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41995443)

The problem is, Windows won the UI war at that time because they were the cheapest OS that did the job. Android already has that niche in the mobile market, unless Microsoft start paying people to ship Windows on their devices.

Re:Got to wonder how many careers will die (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41996351)

MS makes a ton of money off of Android through patent licenses.

Re:Got to wonder how many careers will die (1)

0123456 (636235) | about a year and a half ago | (#41996951)

MS makes a ton of money off of Android through patent licenses.

Cool. So they can lay off all the Windows developers and just become a patent troll.

Flat stock price for how many years now? (1)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about a year and a half ago | (#41996255)

MS's sunk costs in its traditional product lines and costs to maintain hundreds of millions of licensees are probably too large to be truly innovative. Just seems like MS already have seen a bunch of execs come through who were going to "re-invigorate" the company and make it compete in the "post-pc" world. I think the company would be better off taking better care of its existing customer base, and extending support for products like XP for a much longer period. Maybe roll out paid service packs for products like XP and Server 2003 that make them more secure and compatible with newer hardware.

The empire is in decline (1)

aNonnyMouseCowered (2693969) | about a year and a half ago | (#41997207)

And it's not because of Windows 8, Ballmer, Gates, Sinofsky, or anything Microsoft has or hasn't done. Microsoft's decline is part of a trend affecting every American IT company that tries to sell products to the small, non-enterprise user. Apple might be the exception of the moment, but I suspect it would soon follow in the steps of Dell, HP, and IBM, which sold off its PC business to a little-known Chinese company called Lenovo.

Blame it on East Asia's high-volume manufacturers.

China's hardware manufacturers will soon see software as an added expense that can be more cheaply produced in-house, especially given the wide availability of open-source software like Android and, yes, even GNU/Linux. China might also view with distrust software made chiefly in the US, even if only as a retaliatory gesture for Amercan distrust of Chinese hardware.

Sounds like ... (3, Interesting)

PPH (736903) | about a year and a half ago | (#41995197)

... the story Raoul Silva [imdb.com] told about putting all the rats in one barrel.

There are no growth opportunities left (look up MSFT), so the rat next to you starts to look mighty tasty.

What does the eye command? (5, Funny)

concealment (2447304) | about a year and a half ago | (#41995223)

There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power.

Re:What does the eye command? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41996113)

XBox division?

Yawn (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41995265)

Windows 8 and rt is shaping up to be a monumental vista....

So someone had to take the blame... Sinofsky was just in the right spot when the chair got thrown.

Or maybe...... (1)

who_stole_my_kidneys (1956012) | about a year and a half ago | (#41995335)

He got caught banging some intern on Ballmer's desk.

Or maybe he was just an ass hole

Or maybe....

this could go on for ever.

Re:Or maybe...... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41995535)

He got caught banging some intern on Ballmer's desk.

Haven't you heard, bangin' an intern is so last decade, this year it's bangin' your biographer...

Or maybe he was just an ass hole

Of course there's probably some fundamental limit on how many you can have in a room and at microsoft they probably need to let some go...

Or maybe....this could go on for ever.

Although perhaps they are clearing the decks of Sinofsky to make room for Forstal? That could make forever seem like an eternity ;^)

Re:Or maybe...... (2, Funny)

sconeu (64226) | about a year and a half ago | (#41995673)

Maybe he had all the chairs removed from Ballmer's office as a prank.

Re:Or maybe...... (1)

mjwx (966435) | about a year and a half ago | (#41999257)

If he was

caught banging some intern on Ballmer's desk.

Chances are all his boss saw

was just an ass hole

Soap opera (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41995337)

Seriously, who cares.

Malarkey? (1, Troll)

macbeth66 (204889) | about a year and a half ago | (#41995349)

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

I have to tell you, I am almost feeling sorry for MS. They were the evil empire for so long, now they don't even rate as one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse; Google, Apple, Facebook and Amazon.

What is all that noise? It must be all that barking from the seven seals...

I been tricked. (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | about a year and a half ago | (#41995367)

Given the wording of the link, I thought it would take us to the actual post and comments in question. Instead I was tricked into visiting slashcloud. That's almost as bad as a rickrolling.

Re:I been tricked. (1)

larry bagina (561269) | about a year and a half ago | (#41995401)

At least it wasn't a slash bi-curious posting. And at least slash bi-curious doesn't have cowboy neil videos. yet.

What nonsense! (3, Funny)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#41995393)

"Sinofsky left a short note suggesting that rumors of a multi-product takeover were, frankly, malarkey."

I suspect that he also denies being a reptoid, craving the taste of raw human flesh, or having grown from spores. Why would this be any different?

Re:What nonsense! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41995495)

That's insane. Reptoids don't grow from spores.

Re:What nonsense! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41996075)

That's insane. Reptoids don't grow from spores.

This reptoid does.

I heard it from a good source.

Jobs reincarnate? (2, Interesting)

AwesomeMcgee (2437070) | about a year and a half ago | (#41995411)

I can't help but think this whole thing sounds eerily reminiscent of Steve Jobs (not in every way but..) in that this guy presided over the release of Windows 7, the best windows we've seen in a long time (I'm withholding judgement on windows 8 unlike many until it's had time in the market to prove one way or another, could be awful iduno), and the personality traits that are attributed to him sound very much in line with Jobs, and now he gets the boot... Will we see him come back in 5 or 10 years just to run MS to a new glory day? Who knows, if so, let's just hope he doesn't DRMurder all the consumers in the future like Jobs did...

Re:Jobs reincarnate? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41996131)

DRM? iTunes music is DRM free. Oh you mean you don't like the walled garden for iOS apps? Oh but its more fun to generalize.

Re:Jobs reincarnate? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41996781)

this guy presided over the release of Windows 7, the best windows we've seen in a long time .

Low, low, hurdle....

Re:Jobs reincarnate? (1)

high_rolla (1068540) | about a year and a half ago | (#41996795)

Wouldn't it be funny if he went and started a company (let's say 'After') which implements his ideas for an OS based on a BSD kernel, completely uninhibited by MS bureaucracy. A few years down the track MS is floundering and Ballmer has been booted. Sinofsky comes back and replaces Windows UI with that from After and the rest becomes history?

Re:Jobs reincarnate? (1)

AwesomeMcgee (2437070) | about a year and a half ago | (#41997231)

Exactly! That would be spectacular! Though, like Jobs, it wouldn't make this guy any less of a dick.

Well, I have as much inside information as anyone. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41995431)

Stephen or Steven or whatever left because his penis was exceptionally large. Gates and especially Ballmer couldn't handle such a large penis. Steven just couldn't fit in ...to the corporate strategy.

It's sad but true.

P.S. Could I go to jail in Britain for this post?

Will not RTFS (-1, Offtopic)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about a year and a half ago | (#41995463)

Boycotting thread due to slashdot linking to itself. Stop the stupidty.

Re:Will not RTFS (1)

Jeng (926980) | about a year and a half ago | (#41995901)

Boycotting thread due to slashdot linking to itself. Stop the stupidty.

You viewed the discussion and then you went a step further and commented in the discussion. You aren't very good at boycotting.

Re:Will not RTFS (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about a year and a half ago | (#41996507)

Good Point. Maybe this is a sit in?

Re:Will not RTFS (1)

Jeng (926980) | about a year and a half ago | (#41996621)

I think the only thing you can really do to impact them is to start spamming a thread, not just alone, but with lots of members, and don't do it as an AC, let them know it is members of this site that are upset.

They'll ban you, but you'll probably make an impact.

Re:Will not RTFS (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about a year and a half ago | (#41996921)

Yeah, not doing that. Just registering my dislike through the offtopic post. At some point I'll problably get fed up and head to greener pastures.

He probably just got sick of the crap.. (1)

Pontiac (135778) | about a year and a half ago | (#41995515)

Put your self in his position..
You have been with MS for 24 years.. you pull down roughly 8.5 mill a year with pay and stock options [businessweek.com]
He probably has a nice pile of cash and stock to last him a lifetime or two.

The stress may be higher than the rewards and you got that last major release off your solders.

Time to step back, have fun with the family and find a new direction.

Wouldn't surprise me if both sides are right. (4, Interesting)

jbeach (852844) | about a year and a half ago | (#41995551)

It might be that Sinofsky was actually causing friction by trying to get different divisions to work together - and that this was viewed internally by some people as a 'power grab' - i.e., something that would loosen the reins of their own power.
Big companies can get very silo'd off, and the different silos can then become little empires. So then when someone comes along whose work and position touches a few different silos and tries to get some actual inter-silo planning and less duplication of effort, territoriality, etc. then pushback can happen.

Re:Wouldn't surprise me if both sides are right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41996403)

Exactly. One man's confident act of internal communication is another insecure upper-middle-management Microsoftie's idea of a threat to his fiefdom, ergo it's a "power grab".

Sinofksy might not be a cute and cuddly guy, but does anyone thing that you survive at ANY level at Microsoft without getting some skill in political shuck and jive? I think not.

W

Re:Wouldn't surprise me if both sides are right. (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | about a year and a half ago | (#41996453)

A lot of people say that - Sinofsky is seen as "being difficult to work with", but given that at various places where he gave tech presentations and was ready to answer any question, you have to think "difficult" means "an effective leader who actually does stuff" (besides brown-nose superiors and empire-build that is) and that pissed off the political arse-lickers.

Re:Wouldn't surprise me if both sides are right. (1)

freeshoes (826204) | about a year and a half ago | (#41997505)

Every person I have met that used the word silo in a business context coincidentally turned out to be the most annoying, corporate ass-licking mediocre under achieving loser.

Re:Wouldn't surprise me if both sides are right. (1)

Zeromous (668365) | about a year ago | (#42000445)

Would you prefer the word "divisions"? I've met so many with your attitude which by the way, I find perplexing.

People use the word silos precisely because it refers to the invisible lines that dot and separate the political landscape. Silo is a political term that players use precisely because they are talking politics. Clearly this makes you uncomfortable. It's certainly not to offend your back office, apolitical sensibilities.

Re:Wouldn't surprise me if both sides are right. (1)

jbeach (852844) | about a year ago | (#42007365)

Didn't you just use the word silo in a business context? : )

Re:Wouldn't surprise me if both sides are right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42011577)

Yes, and that fact offers more evidence for my statement.

Re:Wouldn't surprise me if both sides are right. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41998917)

My experience working with WinDiv in Windows 8 was that their idea of collaboration was: You! Lackey group! You will do this random thing I want right now!

What? No, I don't care about your schedule, I am WINDOWS!!!!

No, we won't tell you what we want, we'll just tell you it's wrong after it's too late to change it!

Now bow, bow before WINDOWS!

Ballmer should've been voted off the island. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41995585)

He has let the company stagnate horrendously and is obviously lacking in any vision of the future. Microsoft's fallen far behind and failed to adapt quickly to new markets and by all appearances doesn't even attempt to innovate. How much market cap have they ceded since he took over?

Personality clashes (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41995591)

Sources also told The Verge that Sinofsky was “abrasive and off-putting, aggressively maintaining his control over products and putting up roadblocks.”

Ah, the smell of a fresh character assassination. How lovely.

I know nothing of Microsoft politics, but the wording of this is suspect. I expect what it really means is that Sinofsky was effective, had a clear vision and there were lots of people at MS who wanted to interfere with it. All too often in large organizations "abrasive and off-putting" simply means "states what he thinks without embellishment". "Aggressively maintaining control" can translate as "told me my ideas sucked" and "putting up roadblocks" means "caught me when I tried to go around him".

Some years ago I'd have taken these sorts of statements at face value, but having recently been denied a promotion on similar grounds I'm getting very cynical about it. All too often a team or individual comes up with an proposal or process that simply isn't good, and when given polite feedback responds with something like, "Thanks for the feedback, we'll take it on board". Then they ignore it and come back the next week asking why their awesome idea didn't get implemented yet. The feedback is re-iterated more directly in the hope of the message sinking in, the same response is received. Eventually the answer becomes "No, because this idea won't work" and they get offended. Now you have communication issues.

People often forget that communication is two way. It's important to be good at sending and not being unnecessarily dickish or hurtful. But it's also important to be able to receive, and especially when dealing with people who have an engineering background (like Sinofsky does) to be able to take direct and clear feedback that you don't like. It's very common in engineering, especially software engineering, to have everything you do be reviewed in detail and for things to be clearly right or wrong. Many people outside of engineering can't handle this. They have sometimes gone their entire lives without ever having an idea or proposal rejected for being objectively wrong, and when it happens, they can't take it. Seen it so many times. And Ballmer is a salesman by background.

Somehow I doubt Sinofsky was really a giant cock as the quote implies, how would he have had such a long and successful career if he was genuinely a nasty person? He'd have been washed out a long time ago. Far more likely is that some people who did not have his experience or background wanted to do things to Windows that to him were just wrong, and eventually he told them so.

windows 8 is failing in the marketplace (0)

Dan667 (564390) | about a year and a half ago | (#41995605)

is it really that hard to read between the lines?

Re:windows 8 is failing in the marketplace (2)

tnk1 (899206) | about a year and a half ago | (#41996201)

The question then becomes: Is he responsible for the abortion, or is Windows 8 the way it is due to the people who considered him to be abrasive and controlling?

If he is responsible, as well as being controlling and abrasive, I'm hoping he was kicked out so fast that his ass left scorch marks on the pavement.

If he was forced to compromise with fools who forced that outcome, then he may well be better off somewhere else, because those idiots apparently mistook trying to keep control over his own projects as being a reason to fire an executive.

I'm not always sympathetic to engineering types who act like jerks, but I've been in enough WTF situations that I can totally understand becoming very direct and impatient when people keep trying to push the same bad ideas on you, time after time.

Re:windows 8 is failing in the marketplace (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | about a year and a half ago | (#41996767)

Windows 8 can be seen a a lot of things, and I doubt Sinofsky was the sole dictator who had everything made to his personal design. that's not quite the way things work, however....

guess who the new head of Windows div is? Julie "Ribbon" Larson-Green..... also the same person who was responsible for... well, guess. [fastcodesign.com]

"Unlike other companies that maybe have one person at the top, we don't have a [design] czar at Microsoft," says Julie Larson-Green, VP of program management for Windows. Of Metro, she adds, "Its not like Steve [Ballmer] decreed it." One former longtime Microsoft manager put it bluntly: "I don't think Steve could even spell the word design." And unlike Steve Jobs, who was infamous for meddling in every detail of Apple's product launches, Ballmer didn't go to any of the rehearsals at Milk Studios for the unveiling of the Surface; his part was played by a stand-in till he arrived on the day.

So if the brass were so indifferent to design, how did this thinking emerge at Microsoft at all?

In May 2009, Julie Larson-Green corralled 150 thought leaders from various Microsoft groups (Office, Phone, Bing, Xbox) in the Redmond, Washington, campus conference center to kick off planning for Windows 8.

Malarkey (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41995941)

SteveSi watched the Vice Presidential debate!

Dumb headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41998651)

It's not a question of "taking over developers" (although I guess there are developers in it.) It's Developer Division, the part of Microsoft that ships Visual Studio.

reply (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41999185)

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