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Gamecube In Danger?

Hemos posted more than 13 years ago | from the floating-on-rumors dept.

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mmmmbeer writes "This article at Daily Radar and this one at MCV share an unsettling development. Apparently, Hiroshi Yamauchi, President of Nintendo, has said that if Gamecube doesn't get a "positive response at E3," then they may not go through with producing the Gamecube. Personally, I doubt that Gamecube will get anything but great reviews, but it's worrying that he would have said that."

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207 comments

lost in translation (3)

BenHmm (90784) | more than 13 years ago | (#271540)

this really depends on what he means by "good reception".

Does he mean the press, or the developers? The press slamming it is not so bad a problem as all the developers going over to the Xbox. If they all defected, you can understand Nintendo sticking with what they've got, and not spending all their cash on marketing a dead product.

Enh (2)

Ryvar (122400) | more than 13 years ago | (#271541)

I hate to say this (and it'll get me modded down), but Nintendo stopped making games for people over age 10 a long time ago. Sony has more or less a complete hold on the adult console market at the moment (Dreamcast isn't bad but Sega's done and gone). Not to tout Microsoft, but I'll welcome the Xbox if and when it's dual 'Joe-AOL's Consumer PC' and 'Every PC Game Developer' advantages help it gouge bloodied chunks from Sony's monopoly.

Screw Nintendo - they stopped making games for serious gamers a long time ago.

--Ryvar

tight competition? (2)

Gehenna_Gehenna (207096) | more than 13 years ago | (#271542)

Nintendo lnows what the market is going to be like Gamecube has to get HARD CORE SOLID REVIEWS.

They have to compete w- Sony, who already has 10 million + of their consoles in homes, and the XBox, which appears to be a media darling. Nintendo has to beat the "kiddie" console image Pokeman helped establish for them to be a serious contender in the console market

The game cube sucks (1)

FigBugDeux (257259) | more than 13 years ago | (#271543)

...there, its been said, now they won't make it.

Re:lost in translation (1)

NecroPuppy (222648) | more than 13 years ago | (#271544)

Probably the press.

This is Nintendo, after all. They've got some developers who will write games for them no matter what the specs for the box are.

Do you blame them (1)

Flounder (42112) | more than 13 years ago | (#271545)

Is there really room in the market for three consoles?? N64 and PSX forces the Saturn out of the market. Just the rumors of the PS2 forced the Dreamcast out.

Nintendo is taking the right track with this one. Nintendo may be the senior company in this market, but Sony and Microsoft have billions, and are willing to spend it, to dominate this market. The Gamecube had better be one incredible machine to be able to survive. Is the market capable of three consoles? Maybe. But my money is on PS2 and XBox over Dolphin.

Don't Worry Nintendo Fans (1)

Raster Burn (213891) | more than 13 years ago | (#271546)

I'm sure this is all hype. Of course people are going to see it at E3 and have a positive response. This way Mr. Yamauchi can say "Well, since the demand was SOOOO HIGH, we have decided to release the Gamecube." Nintendo isn't going to go back on years of R&D when the GC is so close to launch. Take this quote with a barrel of salt.

look at past trends (1)

ilsie (227381) | more than 13 years ago | (#271547)

Hmmm... I can't see that being a true quote. Reason being, that the major Japanese game companies (Nintendo, Sony, Sega) usually gauge their successes and failures on how well their systems do in Japan, with the rest of the world being secondary. That's why even though N64 was pretty popular in the US, it was still considered somewhat of a failure by Yamauchi & co. This being the case, why would Yamauchi base GC's (non)production on an American tradeshow, over it's own Japanes tradeshow Spaceworld?

bad news?? (1)

dstarfire (134200) | more than 13 years ago | (#271548)

This is a bad thing?!?!?! Nintendo's been a bit of a loser in the gaming industry for a while now. One less gaming platform means that you're more likely to find the game you like/want on the system/s you do own. No more having to own 2 or 3 systems to play all the best games. No more lame, annoying commercials for nintendo. There was an article published a while back about how a large diversity of gaming systems tends to slow/squash game development, and from there, slows down system development. I see this as a positive development. ALL HAIL NATURAL SELECTION

This is a bad translation (hopefully) (3)

boaddrink (90170) | more than 13 years ago | (#271549)

Check out this article on the good ol' shack.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/13536/ [shacknews.com]

Now if they could make some real games for the system. Mario and Zelda shoudn't be the only reason to buy a console. (Oh yea, forgot Mario Paint)

Re:A simple and elegant solution (2)

FallLine (12211) | more than 13 years ago | (#271550)

Haha surely this is a troll, but you've got to be kidding me. It would die and Nintendo wouldn't see a dime. The entire Open Source community is at best a drop in the ocean compared to the markets that any of these video games target. Even if you could get the entire Open Source community to buy it, it would not even cover Nintendo's costs. What's more, the Open Source community hasn't a clue or the equipment to develop modern video games (e.g., motion capture, sound and video recording studios, etc.), never mind skill, desire, and organization....

They'd do far better selling it to, say, Sega (not that that's likely).

Re:Enh (1)

mighty_mallards (259544) | more than 13 years ago | (#271551)

While I think that Nintendo certainly markets to the younger generation, I think gamers of all ages can enjoy games like Zelda... I like that the Dreamcast is dropping prices on some of their popular games. Virtua Tennis & Jet Grind Radio can be had for comparatively low prices...

Just a question (1)

3G (220614) | more than 13 years ago | (#271552)

Is it even an option? Given the worst-case scenario, could Nintendo even opt not to sell the Gamecube? It would completely destroy their main business (hardware) to rely solely on the N64 (sales of which aren't exactly gathering steam).

The only other option Nintendo would have is to become a software/Pokemon vendor. Anyone know how much of their income doesn't depend on hardware sales?

I'm really hoping Nintendo doesn't pull a Sega, but it looks like they just might.

Advance? (1)

WPL510 (196237) | more than 13 years ago | (#271553)

Wasn't the gameboy advance designed to be used as a controller of some sort for the game cube? If the game cube dies, will they include this capability (= added cost) or not? They still have 80% of the handheld game market, which is pretty good, but charging more for a capability you'd never be able to use seems ridiculous...

Needing a good reception (2)

L Fitzgerald Sjoberg (171091) | more than 13 years ago | (#271554)

This reminds me of when Ty announced they were going to stop making Beanie Babies, then shortly thereafter decided they were going to put it to a "vote" of whomever was willing to shell out fifty cents (which, to be fair, went to charity) to have their voice heard. Needless to say, we're still up to our ears in cloyingly-named animal-shaped hacky sacks.

I think the chance of the E3 reaction scuttling the launch of the Gamecube is about equal to the chance that anyone would have gotten a free taco out of Taco Bell's Mir stunt.

The money is in the games! (1)

SpookyFish (195418) | more than 13 years ago | (#271555)


Nintendo should drop out of the hardware game, and hit up M$ or $ony for a huge $ deal to make Nintendo an exclusive label for that console.
Hardware has always been a loss-leader for game sales, at best a break-even proposition.

---
I smoked once (or, ahem, more than), and you're damn right I inhaled.

Re:Enh (1)

criswell4096 (320914) | more than 13 years ago | (#271556)

This isn't necessarily true.... Nintendo recently has been producing quite a few "adult" titles. Anyone heard of Conker's BFD [conker.com] ?

The thing is that's very interesting is that 7-10 years ago, this was true.... They were blocking "adult" games right and left back in the SNES days.... (anyone remember the whole Mortal Kombat fiasco?). Then, when they realized this wasn't making friends either with the developers or with the gamers, they did an about-face and started embracing "mature" titles.

Now I'll admit that the choice in using cartridges for the N64 has really prevented quite a few great "mature" or "adult" titles from being made on the system (I also have many other reasons to hate carts ;-)... but they have had their share of "mature" and "adult" titles.

(Note that I am in no way a big Nintendo advocate [geekcomix.com] .... but I do have to be fair...)

Re:Enh (1)

mattACK (90482) | more than 13 years ago | (#271557)

Have you played any Nintendo games? Even "serious" gamers play games for fun, right?

Re:lost in translation (1)

BenHmm (90784) | more than 13 years ago | (#271558)

ah, well, it's The Times.

But, when I'm abroad I've found it's usually better to refer to it as The Times of London, so as not to confuse people between us and the New York Times or the Times of India. There is also The Sunday Times, which is a seperate paper, but owned by the same company. As is the Times Literary Supplement, and the Times Education Supplement. Same, but seperate.

Either way, we were here first - the first issue was in 1788.

METROID?!?!?! (2)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 13 years ago | (#271559)

I NEED MY METROID!! I've waiting YEARS for my Metroid!!

Seriously, though, PSX and M$ are focusing on the adult/teenagers for their target audience. Nintendo has always appealed to the kiddies. Nintendo will always have a place in the console market until one of the consoles seriously attack the kid market. Even then, Nintendo's cornered the portable game market. I don't think we have anything to worry about.

Somehow this isn't much of a surprise.... (1)

ColdrenX (300531) | more than 13 years ago | (#271560)

*Faints at the shock of Nintendo late with another console* *Gasps at Nintendo's failure to deliver what is promised (Anyone remeber the N64 DD add-on that was suppose to change the face of gaming forever?)* Ever since the SNES, Nintendo has been on a terminal slide in the eyes of hardcore gamers (not the cutesy Pokemon-on-Gameboy players). They lack games in Genres other than Racing, Sports, and TV Rip-offs (I'm the first to coin this catagory.. Think of all the games based on TV, such as Pokemon, Power Rangers, and WWF games). Then there was the Vitual Boy... *Shudders* First game system I ever heard of having a serious health risk... The credible Third Party developers who jumped ship when the N64 was launched (Most noteably, Squaresoft.) were merely the beginnning. Constant delays, poor reviews,high development and product costs, and lack of developers doomed the N64 and solidified the victory of the PSX in it's time. It's understandable that Nintendo would not want see this happen again with the Gamecube, although I don't think they'll have much of a problem. Especially in light of the upcoming Xbox and the mediocre rise of the PSX2, Nintendo can not afford to make another mistake, less they go the way of Sega.(Sega CD - strike 1, Sega Saturn - strike 2, Sega Dreamcast - strike 3..You're OUT!) Repeated failures to produce quality hardware forced them to give up the console business and focus on software. Currently, with N64 (strike 1) and the extension of it that never even saw the light of day (strike-2), Nintendo can't afford another mistake...

Re:tight competition? (2)

FallLine (12211) | more than 13 years ago | (#271561)

Actually something like 4 pokeman games EACH have a place in the top ten selling video games of the past year or two; I'd hardly say they're just hanging on there. That's something that ANY of the other game companies would kill for.

Nintendo and the "Microsoft" Effect (2)

BRock97 (17460) | more than 13 years ago | (#271562)

I think they are just trying to build momentum towards the big launch at E3, by posting hype generating news like this. Nintendo is very secure, thank you very much, thanks to their Gameboy line of products. Even if the Gamecube does not do well, Nintendo can pull a Microsoft and pour cash into the Gamecube. Look at the N64. Good system at the time, but it was the games that made it. Still, the market share is nothing to write home to mom about. How does it still exist? Gameboy. Same will hold true for the Gamecube.

It will succeed. With the amount of kids out there, and the price point they are shooting for, it can only do well. Look at the Dreamcast! Since the pricedrop to $99, they have been selling faster then ever. One thing I admire about Nintendo, they are out for the gaming dollar, not this all-in-one home entertainment console.

Bryan R.

Makes sense when you think about it (1)

Michael Lee Martin (154856) | more than 13 years ago | (#271563)

If the Gamecube isn't exciting the press, how is it meant to excite the home users? How can the console survive if it doesn't get people excited about it? Nintendo might just push back the launch instead, until they can get a launch lineup and strategy that _will_ make people excited. If nintendo goes through with producting a console that flops, it could damage them pretty bad. As it stands, they have the Gameboy Advance doing well, and they could get along quite fine on that. Especially if they get another Pokemon title out.

Re:Do you blame them (1)

punkinthehall (255640) | more than 13 years ago | (#271564)

Last year nintendo made more money on software sales than EA, Sega, and Sony. Totaling in at just under 1 billion dollars. So to say nintendo doesn't have the cash to play with the likes of Sony and MS is like saying Michael Jordan was never fit to play basketball. Oh yeah, sony has been shipping it's console at a loss since its release in Japan and it's shortcomings in software sales are not helping. Since X-box will no doubt ship at a loss and Nintendo stands to make money on each console it sells, the picture looks alot clearer for nintendo. If any company has it's work cut out for it in the console business it is Microsoft.

Here's my take on the GameCube. (1)

Scoria (264473) | more than 13 years ago | (#271565)

This system will make or break Nintendo (at least the Nintendo we all know now...)

Sure, they could fall back on the GameBoy, but they can't keep doing that forever. The GameCube is such a huge investment on Nintendo's part. Five years of research for a product that would never hit shelves? The investment is too big. Nintendo will have to produce the console either way.

What we're seeing is mega-companies entering the console arena. Sony and Microsoft, of course, are the two bigger ones. They both have more marketing power, more money, and they can afford to take a risk. The PSX isn't going to break Sony, and well, we know the X-Box, if it flops (which it won't, courtesy of the Microsoft hype), won't break the Borg-type company that is Microsoft. The bigger companies can fall back on the other things that they produce. Nintendo and Sega, as well as the smaller console-only (and in-house game development) companies don't have that much to fall back on. Their work is only games.

We're seeing the end of the companies that truly pioneered console gaming.

The Vapor Factor (1)

robbway (200983) | more than 13 years ago | (#271566)

The Gamecube has always had a high potential for vaporware. It's already misting it's way down the schedule, and has almost no chance of a Christmas launch in the US. It is conspicuous that there are very few game screens displayed so far. When any new system is about to debut, there are tons of game screens published.

There are countless things right about the system, but two really big negatives:

  • No DVD Media. This will drive up the cost of games and cause people to buy PS2s for the DVD movie player.
  • Pokemon. It isn't the pop-force it used to be. They're putting too much faith in Pikachu power.

I think it'll debut in the US in Oct 2002 or NEVER.

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Re:Enh (2)

Erasmus Darwin (183180) | more than 13 years ago | (#271567)

Nintendo recently has been producing quite a few "adult" titles. Anyone heard of Conker's BFD?

Conker's BFD was produced by Rareware (the company that also did Goldeneye). Nintendo may not be blocking adult titles on their system, but neither are they themselves producing them.

Hope this means more gamers will buy a PS2. (1)

InstantCool (19982) | more than 13 years ago | (#271568)

I'm hoping gamers looking for a GameCube won't move towards the Xbox. I just don't like Microsoft in the game counsel market. They've invaded my home enough already.

Don't base your consel purchasing decisions on stats. The PS2's new system design gives it un-told power. The early demo of the MGS2 [ign.com] show off the PS2's real power. Amazing.
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Re:Enh (2)

iapetus (24050) | more than 13 years ago | (#271569)

Conker's Bad Fur Day is about as far from mature as it's possible to get, of course. :^)

If you want mature games on N64, look at Goldeneye, Resident Evil 2, Sin and Punishment etc.

Besides, the whole argument is pretty specious anyway: the best games appeal to *all* ages, and Nintendo make some of the best games out there.

This is just a media attention grabber (3)

WolfPup (120228) | more than 13 years ago | (#271570)

As far as I see it, this was just a way for Nintendo to get some attention to the Game Cube. Now people will want to see this at E3 just see what the fuss is about and whether it will happen. They aren't serious about dropping this. This is business and most business won't just drop the money spent on R&D just because some people didn't quite like it. Nintendo will drum up some conversation to keep it on people's minds and hopefully their wallets will follow.

Does nobody understand? (2)

monkeywez (444761) | more than 13 years ago | (#271571)

...I can't believe most of the opinions in the comments I've just read.

When I first read about Nintendo's statement a couple of days ago my instant reaction was that they were really saying "at E3, we are going to blow all of your minds".

The hardware specs look good enough to compete with the XBox and PS2, and even more importantly they have the talent in games development (to this date nothing scheduled for the XBox looks to hot, and they lack Japanese support).

Nintendo aren't small or in trouble as some people here seem to think - the Pokemon franchise alone is worth _double_ what the entire US games industry is worth.

The GBA is an incredible machine (I've got one with F-Zero, and I can't put it down), and there are reportedly going to be some great uses of the GBA with the gamecube. The GBA is also the fastest selling console ever.

Nintendo don't just make kiddy games, they are fantastic whatever your age - "hardcore gamer" magazines such as Edge (in the UK) give 9/10 to most Nintendo games that I've seen.

Anyway, back to the point, Gamecube In Danger? IMHO absolutely not.

Re:METROID?!?!?! (1)

Mr.Phil (128836) | more than 13 years ago | (#271572)

The "kiddies" will play what they think is cool, and what is "cool" is defined by what peers and the gaming mags say. Gaming mags are writen for adults and what adults think is "cool." There for, the "kiddies" will think games in the mags are "cool" because adult (teens) think the games are "cool."

"Cool" is highly overreated.

The long arm of MS (1)

bogie (31020) | more than 13 years ago | (#271573)

Its pretty sad that a company with as rich a gaming history as Nintendo is so spooked about Xbox that they would even consider this. First Dreamcast stops production, then MS hires many of Sony's developers away. Not that I won't consider an Xbox myself when it comes out, its just that it appears with MS entering the gaming market like all other markets it enters, your choice is now becoming limited. Very sad indeed.

Could Nintendo go bye bye? (2)

Kagato (116051) | more than 13 years ago | (#271574)

The basic problem here is Nintendo wasn't doing all that much better than Sega. If it wasn't for all the royalties they get from Pioneer for Pokemon I'm sure they be in deep water.

The problem is Sony is a marketing Giant. They know how to put together a campain, they have an in at every retailer on the planet, and they can play "unfair" (but not illegal) when the chips are down. I worked at Circuit City, it wasn't a random thing that they dropped all the other video game systems and only had play station for several years. (They sell most of the systems currently however.)

Nintendo is a pain in the ass company to work with. They have been nailed before for price fixing. Compared to Sony, it's a harder platform to write for. With Sony a lot of the low level stuff is already functionalized for you in the SDK. This is really key for fast game porting. This is not to say it will be an ultra optimized port. I wouldn't suggest it if you're trying to push the GFX to the extreme, but if you want to make "Who wants to be a gazillionare" for the PSX it's easier than start from scratch on Nintendo.

I can see where is comes from, the Former CEO of Nintendo in a recent interview talked about how thye liked to have unique titles. He doesn't like Rayman, or title of it's ilk that have been ported everywhere. But this puts you into a business model where you need a killer game in the channel each quarter if you want to keep profitable. In some cases Nintendo has done well at this. Let's look at Gameboy. By all rights that thing should have been put to pasture six years ago. But some games keep it going. But you don't have a killer hit Pokemon game each quarter.

Sony on the other has a lot of crap games ported to the platform. Hell the first year there were tons of crap 3DO games ported. But that's okay, Sony has a model that makes it easy for everyone to jump in the pool. And with a royalty for every game sold to a retailer they don't have to depend on a Pokemon.

Summary, I hope this does well, but Nintendo needs to realize that a couple unique games isn't going to cut it for sales. Some people really do want to play Rayman and Pokemon on the same system.

As the developers smirk... (1)

Dirk Pitt (90561) | more than 13 years ago | (#271575)

This should read "if Nintendo's few third party developers aren't happy with the development platform, Nintendo shouldn't bother producing the Gamecube." It's been Nintendo's dismal support of their third parties that have hurt them so much.

As for people's rants about Nintendo not catering to the adult market, are you really informed on this issue, or just talking through Playstation- inspired ruby glasses? Rare might be--granted it's arguable, I agree that there're many fine Sony houses out there--the best game developer out there today. With games like Goldeneye, PD, Jet Force Gemini, and Conker, these are all adult games, and all can be described with superlatives. As an adult game player of Sony, PC, and Sega experience, IMHO Nintendo has the best 'feel' of any console out there. The previously mentioned 4 games alone made the price of the console worth it. If Gamecube's the same way, so be it. Nintendo just has to stop raping their 3rd parties, and they're good to go.

Re:Nintendo and the "Microsoft" Effect (1)

IntlHarvester (11985) | more than 13 years ago | (#271576)

What marketshare did the N64 have? If I was Nintendo, I would be telling myself that 25-35% of a huge market is still a lot of money.
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Loss of developers... (2)

decipher_saint (72686) | more than 13 years ago | (#271577)

Could Nintendo launch another console with just the promise of another update to Mario, Zelda and X number of "mid-range" games? I don't think they would risk it, and I think that unless Nintendo can bring back the big names, cater to an older audience (hey, adults have the money ;-)) or wrangle a lot of hot new developers they will be forced out of the console market like Sega was.

Ten years ago the big N was at the top of the heap, times have changed but IMHO management has done very little to keep the hot developers on board.

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Not going to happen (1)

BIGJIMSLATE (314762) | more than 13 years ago | (#271578)

It wouldn't happen. Like I've said for the past few days (/. seems slooooooow on games news), either the investors, or someone within Nintendo Inc. will either override his decision, or remove him from his position.

He's an old man, using old business tactics (a la practically saying "fuck you Squaresoft"), and its a shame. But if anyone HONESTLY believes, that REGARDLESS of the reaction at E3, that Nintendo would cancal all Game Cube plans, you're simply stupid. Ninteno Inc., their stockholders, 2nd party developers, you can't even imagine how many people would be threatening with lawsuits.

Too tired to say much more, but don't believe this any more than you believe any url with "goatse" in it...

Re:Do you blame them (1)

criswell4096 (320914) | more than 13 years ago | (#271579)

> Is there really room in the market for three consoles??

There's room if customers allow there to be.

As has been shown [geekcomix.com] , single system markets lend themselves to abuse of the customers by the company with the largest market share.

Furthermore, with market's rich with competition (many consoles, no single winners) [geekcomix.com] you get a great deal of innovation (ick, not that word ;-) and a large number of games (because everyone is trying to out-do the others ;-).

> N64 and PSX forces the Saturn out of the market. Just the rumors of the PS2 forced the Dreamcast out.

Not exactly true. Sega's failed consoles (which ultimately did them in) failed primarily because of stupid mistakes that Sega made.

Stupid mistakes during the Saturn years (just a few):
  • No "big mascot" games. Sonic was nowhere to be seen (except in compilation discs, and non-Sonic style games [eg, Sonic R and Sonic 3D Blast]). Sony had Crash, Nintendo had Mario64.. and Sega had Nights (which was a pretty neat game, but wasn't Sonic).
  • Poor advertising. Sega had the resources, and initially they had the market share (there were over 1 million Saturns sold the first couple of years). But they were overconfident and rarely (if ever) advertised their big hits. (Tho, to be fair, this started back with the Genesis... Anyone ever see a commercial or other advertisement for Gunstar Heroes, one of the best Genesis games ever?)
  • Library hogging. This was probably the big thing that did them in. The Saturn was a dual-processor monster (at a time when nothing else was). It was very difficult to fully utilize from a developer prospective. Most Saturn games only ever used one of those processors... and looked poor compared to their PSX cousins.

    Sega had libraries which allowed for easier use of both processors, but they didn't release these libraries to third-party developers until it was too late (I think they finally released them within a year of the Saturn's demise). As a result, Sega brought out some awesome games for the console... but most third-party games kind of blew.
Okay, so why did the Dreamcast croak? Well... by this time the arcade market (which had been keeping Sega alive for years) was shrinking. Furthermore, Sega was too massive... They needed the big sales. The Dreamcast was selling fairly well (certainly well enough that Sega 10-years ago would have been able to survive on)... It even outsold (console-wise, not game sales) the N64 last year. But they had dug themselves into a pit, and nothing the Dreamcast could have done would have pulled them out.

In some respects, the PS2 may have forced their hand in admitting they just weren't pulling enough profit... but the PS2 was not what killed the Dreamcast or Sega... it was just the hammer that pounded in the last nail in the Sega-of-yesteryear's coffin. ;-)

Click here for more video game console history, rants, and other junk [geekcomix.com]

Re:Enh (1)

OblongPlatypus (233746) | more than 13 years ago | (#271580)

Are you sure what you really mean isn't that you've grown up since you the last time you enjoyed a Nintendo game?

Offtopic (1)

Greenisus (262784) | more than 13 years ago | (#271581)

I heard somewhere that "Nintendo" means "play to the best of your ability, and allow the heavens to determine the outcome."

Translation... (1)

DCheesi (150068) | more than 13 years ago | (#271582)

Trans.: "All you enthusiast sites: don't dare give us bad press, or we'll just take our ball and go home. Nyah!"

Seriously, this sounds like a classic passive-aggressive marketing threat. People who want to see competition in the industry will be hesitant to criticize the new platform, lest it be cancelled. So Nintendo gets free PR from all the desperate enthusiasts out there.

(Boy I'm cynical/paranoid, aren't I?)

Bah... (1)

methodic (253493) | more than 13 years ago | (#271583)

Nintendo used to be the one other gaming console makers looked towards for direction, now it seems they are way behind the times. With awesome gaming platforms like PS2, Xbox, and the DREAMCAST (only $99!!), they better have some awesome hardware and specs bundled with the Gamecube, or else Nintendo will be in a world of hurt. The ultimate goal they need to focus on is what can they offer gamers that the PS2 and Dreamcast can't. Both units have awesome graphics, the Dreamcast comes with all sorts of components (keyboard, ethernet adapter), and with the advent of the Xbox, Nintendo better have something else up their sleeves besides just another console.

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Re:tight competition? (2)

FallLine (12211) | more than 13 years ago | (#271584)

But the facts don't bear it out. The kiddy market is actually much larger when it comes to video games.

Re:Enh (2)

kaisyain (15013) | more than 13 years ago | (#271585)

I'm a little confused. You seem to be mixing two issues: the creation of the console and the creation of games for the console. What games does Sony actually make for their console?

When I go to Nintendo's page of games for the N64 sorted by ESRB ranking [nintendo.com] I see a decent number of games that are rated "Mature".

How exactly did you determine that Nintendo stopped making games for people over age 10? Did you complete some comprehensive survey of their game development studio or did you just decide that you hate Pokemon and Mario?

Re:Enh (1)

joshsisk (161347) | more than 13 years ago | (#271586)

Conker's BFD was produced by Rareware (the company that also did Goldeneye). Nintendo may not be blocking adult titles on their system, but neither are they themselves producing them.

Rare is a second party developer. They only develop games for Nintendo and Nintendo either owns a chunk of the company or has extensive, long term contracts. Or more likely, both.

Josh Sisk

Software Agnostic (1)

BigumD (219816) | more than 13 years ago | (#271587)

Good. I hope the Gamecube doesn't come out.
The world would be a much better place if they were a software agnostic developer like Sega. That way I wouldn't have to buy the system for one good game.

Re:Enh (2)

Judas96' (151194) | more than 13 years ago | (#271588)

I know most of us adults despise Pokemon and his ilk, but I bet you most people felt the same way about the fads we went through as kids as well. I doubt there were many adults in the 80s that cared for our fascination with good and evil giant robots that changed into varios forms of transportation... Also, those kids are slowly but surely growing up over time (most of them are, anyhow). Nintendo always seemed to have loyal fans with the NES and then SNES. I remember loving them but hating the Sega Genesis for no good reason at all. All those 10 and 12 year old Pokemon lovers could be easily transformed into 16 and 18 year old Nintendo Zealots if the Gamecube does come out with a few great games aimed at a higher age level, look out. Everybody critisizes Nintendo for not having adult games, and if you really want to look at it that way they never really did. At least not in comparison to the Resident Evils and Metal Gear Solids of today. But I will be damn happy if they can make something that sucks me in as much as Super Metroid did. Not everything that has blood and gore is all that mature anyways, and who says I play video games for all the realism (well, fake realism) anyhow?

Re:Do you blame them (1)

yttrbium (228142) | more than 13 years ago | (#271589)

Except when you consider that the top 2 selling games (including all consoles) for 2000 were both Pokemon games, and each sold about twice as many as its nearest competitor, Tony Hawk 2.

Sega and Nintendo have to team up. (2)

vitaflo (20507) | more than 13 years ago | (#271590)

The only way to stop the crush from both Sony, and now M$ is for Nintendo to sign a big deal w/ Sega to have exclusive rights over all their games. Think of how awesome that would be.

Without that, I'm afraid we'll be down to only 2 systems, neither of which I'm all that excited about.

but isn't this just a truism of any new product? (1)

moniker_21 (414164) | more than 13 years ago | (#271591)

Sure, one of the main functions of E3 is to get the media and general public excited about up and coming games and hardware, but isn't a secondary function of E3 to be a testbed for next generation consumer products? If my hot .com company demos a new game, and every kid that comes up to it says, "Get bent dude, this game sucks!!", wouldn't you pull the plug on it? It just seems like a bit of a platitude [dictionary.com] to state that if the public doesn't like, we're not going to make it. No shit?!? Kind of a no brainer if you ask me.

Re:Do you blame them (1)

Zico (14255) | more than 13 years ago | (#271592)

Nintendo's actually in a great position to rake in the dough because of their overwhelming strength in the kiddie market. I think Sony has the most to worry about at this point.

This whole thing seems to me like a childish threat by Nintendo (not that it would be the first childish act by their CEO): Kiss up to us or you won't get to see your next generation Nintendo. They're going to release it whether people say nice things about 'em at E3 or not, and they'll make money on it. It actually makes me want to see them get bad reviews, though, just to call the CEO's bluff.


Cheers,

Re:bad news?? (1)

joshsisk (161347) | more than 13 years ago | (#271593)

Nintendo's been a bit of a loser in the gaming industry for a while now.

Are you on crack? If you said they were "a bit of a loser with the hardcore gaming community", I'd agree... But their games sell, their systems STILL sell (and they have a tradition of not selling consoles as loss leaders) and even if they don't, the handheld market has grow to a nice chunk of the market (I've heard it represents 20% of all sales)... And guess which company has a virtual monopoly on the handheld market? This is also ignoring the Pokemon factor.

Josh Sisk

IMHO... Nintendo... (1)

avenger221 (445866) | more than 13 years ago | (#271594)

IMHO, Nintendo has been doing this for years. Last Generation, all of the consoles went to cd media. Nintendo, however, stuck with the much more expensive cartridge format, attempting to keep everything proprietary. Unfortunately, it lost its vendors, as well as its market share at that point. Now, if you look at the gamecube, it will be using 1/4 DVD's to again keep it proprietary, and make it harder to pirate. Nintendo will go the way of the Sega. It's too bad though... their games were excellent

Re:Enh (1)

criswell4096 (320914) | more than 13 years ago | (#271595)

Actually, Rareware is currently affiliated pretty strongly with Nintendo... And while Nintendo isn't producing the "adult" titles themselves... they are promoting those "adult" titles their affiliates are making. Also, they would have the power to block titles like this, if they were so inclined.... so the fact their not blocking them speaks volumes.

It's very similar to the whole Disney/Miramax [erlc.com] relationship. Disney certainly wont be bringing out any "risque" movies... but they wont prevent Miramax from doing it.

Re:Just a question (1)

joshsisk (161347) | more than 13 years ago | (#271596)

The console business is like the razor blade business. You sell the razor at little or no profit and you make the bucks from sell the razors over and over.

Nintendo doesn't agree with this business plan. They plan to sell the Gamecube for a small profit, and (to my knowledge) have done so with all of their consoles. Well... maybe not Virtual Boy.

Josh Sisk

Nintendo is best (1)

neilest (442610) | more than 13 years ago | (#271597)

I'm definitely going to be one of the first buying the Nintendo GameCube when it is released over here in the UK. I've been buying all the Nintendo consoles and haven't been disappointed in any.
I don't think the GameCube will change Nintendo's flow of dominance in the gaming market. The last report [half-empty.org] I read about it, proved that Nintendo GameCube will out perform any other.

Re:The money is in the games! (1)

joshsisk (161347) | more than 13 years ago | (#271598)

Hardware has always been a loss-leader for game sales, at best a break-even proposition.

As I understand it, Nintendo generally prices their consoles so they make a (marginal) profit. I remeber this being one of the facts that Nintendo stalwarts held up when it became evident that the PSX was vastly outselling the N64.

Josh Sisk

Re:Enh (1)

criswell4096 (320914) | more than 13 years ago | (#271599)

Conker's Bad Fur Day is about as far from mature as it's possible to get, of course. :^)

How about we day it deals with "mature themes" then ;-)

Sin and Punishment

The only problem is that this wont likely see the light of days in the states other than via an import :/

Re:Subtle Joke ... (1)

Jozxyqk (16657) | more than 13 years ago | (#271600)

This was modded offtopic, but it does make some sort of sense.. The Gamecube's code name was "Dolphin", and this was the cryptic messages that the dolphins left behind when they left Earth.

Re:Hope this means more gamers will buy a PS2. (1)

Caball (58351) | more than 13 years ago | (#271601)

<They've invaded my home enough already. >

They invaded, or you welcomed them in? Exactly how did they invade your home?

Stop posting shit in an effort to get all the Microsoft basers to mod you up.

Re:Here's my take on the GameCube. (1)

joshsisk (161347) | more than 13 years ago | (#271602)

The problem with your theory is that Nintendo is doing fine finacially. They are consistantly at the top of sales charts, even with an aging system, own a multi-billion dollar cash cow (Pokemon) and they have a monopoly on the handheld market, a good 15-20% of the general video game market. They have so much money that, while Sony bleeds red ink, they are buying back their stock. Add this to the fact that they have said that they can bring the Gamecube to market and sell it at a break-even or profitable price, I'd say the future looks good for Nintendo.

Josh Sisk

Bad news for the customers (was Re:bad news??) (1)

criswell4096 (320914) | more than 13 years ago | (#271603)

There was an article published a while back about how a large diversity of gaming systems tends to slow/squash game development, and from there, slows down system development.

Woah.... Where was this article?

Actually, it has been shown time [geekcomix.com] and time again [geekcomix.com] that single console markets lend themselves to abuse of the customers and that you get very rapid game development, deployment, and innovation (ick, not that word again!) in multi-system markets.

Competition fuels innovation.

Re:Enh (1)

fourshadesofdark (198737) | more than 13 years ago | (#271604)

Sure, you got me that Nintendo seemed to give up on the serious gamer when games got serious. They tried to maintain the "family company" image for years. But the bottom line is that their games have always been good. Rare, especially, working with Nintendo has always produced incredible games. Now, it seems that Nintendo has realized that their target age has grown up, and the only thing they're really holding on to is they're loyal fans. The ones who grew up with Nintendo, and are sticking around because of the quality they've seen, and the attachments they've grown.
Nintendo is growing up, too. It's just a little later than many of us would have liked. The beginning was with GoldenEye. Perfect Dark, after that, and the latest being Conker's Bad Fur Day.
So the whole thing seems to come around again, and sure, people are always looking for the "next big thing" but the thing is that the guys who will be around in the end are the ones who started at the beginning, working with good products and making better games than ever. Just because it's not full of guns and tits dosen't mean that it's weak.

Re:tight competition? (2)

FallLine (12211) | more than 13 years ago | (#271605)

Actually, beyond just that, kids are more disposed to buying video games and consoles, because they have very few other priorities in life. Whereas an older adult will weigh the purchase of a game/console against buying stereos, new computers, cars, apartment, house, paying tuition, health insurance, or what have you.

Re:Enh (2)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 13 years ago | (#271606)

So are you trying to say that Zelda: Majora's Mask, with it's deep plot, dark atmsohpere, and beautiful environments is just a kid's game, while Mortal Kombat with it's b-grade-esque violence and "plot" is "mature?"

I'm not saying that all the games for PSX and other systems are lame like that (there's most definately games like Metal Gear Solid), but the majority of the games I see being sold for them are sold on the basis of "Look at those breasts!" or some other lame bit of marketing.

"Screw Nintendo - they stopped making games for serious gamers a long time ago."

"Serious gamers?" What exactly is a serious game? Is that like those war games the Army plays out in the middle of the desert?

I know from experience that a roomfull of college-aged guys can have some "serious" fun with four-player Mario Party (Paddle Battle!) or Super Smash Bros. if that's what you mean. This doesn't mean that we don't deathmatch in Half-Life, and it doesn't mean we don't usually play StarCraft, but we don't feel insulted or "less mature" when we realize that we've just kicked Donkey Kong's ass with Kirby. Because, God damn it, that damned gorilla is able to pick up anybody and throw them off the edge, the damned ****er deserved it...

It seems like everybody keeps on ragging on Nintendo for being "less mature," but those people seem to measure maturity on whether a game is rated T or M, and not whether the game is fun, has lots of replay value, or generally worth the money you paid for it. Throwing all Nintendo games into the "immature" category is like saying all cartoons are immature, forsaking South Park, Futurama, Toonami...

If you want to rush out and buy a PS2 or an Xbox as soon as it comes out because they'll be making "mature" games, go for it. However, there are only two games coming out for next-generatio consoles that have me excited right now: Zelda and Metroid.

Re:Could Nintendo go bye bye? (1)

joshsisk (161347) | more than 13 years ago | (#271607)

The basic problem here is Nintendo wasn't doing all that much better than Sega.

Are you crazy? They consistantly are in the top of the sales charts, even with an aging system. That aging system _continues_ to sell at a moderate pace, even in the face of Next Gen systems. They have a monopoly on the handheld market, which consists of 15% or so of the whole market. The GBA is the fastest selling console ever-and it is NOT sold at a loss, Nintendo makes a profit on each GBA sold-, there are something like 100 million Gameboy & GB Colors out there. They are buying their stock back, they have so much money, while Sega and Sony's stocks just dive lower and lower. How can you say Nintendo's situation is anything like that of Sega's?

Josh Sisk

Re:Just a question (1)

criswell4096 (320914) | more than 13 years ago | (#271608)

Is it even an option? Given the worst-case scenario, could Nintendo even opt not to sell the Gamecube? It would completely destroy their main business (hardware) to rely solely on the N64 (sales of which aren't exactly gathering steam).

This is true....

Nintendo was originally a playing card company.... AFAIK, they have left that market (not that it would be big enough to support them now, anyway ;-)

Nintendo has also not had a really solid arcade hit in years, and with the arcade market shrinking (and being one of the factors killing Sega) it wouldn't be enough to support them even if they had.

I think what would happen if the Gamecube did poorly in whatever reviewing arena they are referring to is they would have to go back and redesign it or tweak it.

I mean, it has happenned before... Did the SNES CD ever come out? (I mean, other than the PSX, of couse ;-)

Also, maybe it would be a good thing... imagine what could have happened if Nintendo had done the same for the SNES..... Perhaps it's sup-par 16-bit CPU would have been reworked and the SNES's games wouldn't have been plagued with performance problems for years before developers figured out a way to overcome that.

(Then again, the same could be said for most systems... the PS2's small texture-RAM being the most recent blunder which comes to mind)

It's been said before, (2)

The_Messenger (110966) | more than 13 years ago | (#271609)

and I'll say it again: games, games, games. The GameCube will fail for many reasons, but the Number One reason is games. All of the big developers from the good ole' days -- Konami, Capcom, and especially SquareSoft -- have long since jumped ship for a superior platform, the Sony platform. Building upon their PSX megahits, those three companies are thriving and have already anchored themselves in PS2-land. Observe FF-anything, Onimusha Warlords, and the awe-inspiring, yet-to-be-released MGS2.

Another reason that the GameCube will fail is the decline of the N64, which suffered from an outmoded media format (Why did Nintendo stick with the cartridge? The PSX, Jaguar, Saturn and others had already moved on to CD-ROM. Nintendo gambled and lost.) and lack of consistently good games. Nintendo shifted their focus to the Pokemon/GameBoy craze, and will never recover their console market. The decline of the N64 led to something even more important -- the decline of their household name. When I was growing up in the 80s, Nintendo was so popular and well-known that "Nintendo" was used to generically describe all gaming systems. (Like "Kleenex".) Today, Nintendo doesn't even enter the mind of serious gamers, who are mired in their PS2s, DCs, and tricked-out PCs. Nintendo is making a lot of money off that yellow rat, but no one is thinking "Nintendo" when buying Pokemon merchandise.

The PS2 is huge. Those not enthralled with the PS2 will likely buy Xboxen when (if) they are released this winter. If Nintendo can't be shipping the GameCube by Spring 2002, all hope will be lost, for they will have fallen into the dreaded "lull" between console generations, when gamers who have just bought a PS2 or Xbox are unable to justify a new system. Nintendo can't afford to wait until the end of the lull (probably mid-2003), because by then their name will be all but unknown to the current generation of young gamers, all developers will be firmly seated in the Sony or MS camps, et cetera. There are just so many reasons why Nintendo is doomed, and they can blame it all on the yellow rat. Nintendo has been talking about the GameCube in different forms for probably five years at least... it's just too late to matter.

This "lull" deserves more discussion. For years, Sega and Nintendo had competing systems of the same "generation", at least in the eyes of we young'ins. The NES and SMS; Super NES and Genesis; N64 and Saturn. The Saturn failed miserably but by then the PSX had started to take off, and Sony replaced Sega as Nintendo's nemesis. These were three easily definable "generations" of consoles, and the lull in between, while not barren of sales, lacked the initial hype associated with a product launch. The generations are less easily definable these days, but the PS2, Xbox, and now-defunct DC will for our intents and purposes be competing systems. For the GameCube to enter into this rough market where everyone else has a head start, they would have to have amazing next-generation tech to get attention. I seriously doubt that Nintendo has the engineering clout to produce a system superior to both the Xbox and the PS2 these days.

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Re:Hope this means more gamers will buy a PS2. (1)

criswell4096 (320914) | more than 13 years ago | (#271610)

I'm hoping gamers looking for a GameCube won't move towards the Xbox. I just don't like Microsoft in the game counsel market. They've invaded my home enough already.

I agree.... I would suspect that Microsoft could do worse things to the consumer than Nintendo ever did in the 8-bit era [geekcomix.com] .

I mean, take their business model now and extend it into the console gaming market... It would make the Nintendo "intimidation era" look like a good thing.

Re:Loss of developers... (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 13 years ago | (#271611)

  • cater to an older audience (hey, adults have the money ;-))

But kids spend it, or dictate the spending. Same way that men make more money than women, but women spend more money than men.

Re:Enh (1)

Ryvar (122400) | more than 13 years ago | (#271612)

Tits wasn't my point, nor was guns. Thief would be my alltime favorite game.

I should point out that Conker's BFD has done HORRIBLY in sales - especially for a console game.

Can you name another really good title for the N64 geared towards someone who goes for Thief, Deus Ex, Fallout Tactics?

Dynasty Warriors comes immediately to mind for the PS2 - Halo for the Xbox of course, not to mention that every PC game from here on out will be ported to it. I feel like Nintendo stopped being a solution for my type of gamer around the same time Squaresoft gave them the finger.

--Ryvar

Re:Just a question (1)

ageitgey (216346) | more than 13 years ago | (#271613)

Could nintendo afford not to sell the Gamecube you say? You are all forgettting that nintendo manufactures the most popular video game system ever, the Gameboy. They make barrels of money on it because it doesn't cost much to make something that was based on dated technology when it was released OVER a decade ago. And their Gameboy Advance looks like it will continue the trend with its backwards compatibility and better (but still relatively cheap) hardware.

Hopefully the Pokemon fad will pass soon, but nintendo will still have their huge installed base of gameboys. And they don't even have to worry about widespread pirating because of the cart. format. What is the advantage for them to produce a hugely expensive next-gen system and have to compete with Microsoft's piles of cash?

Shameless PR (4)

Shaheen (313) | more than 13 years ago | (#271614)

The GameCube is not in trouble. It never was, it never will be. Why would Hiroshi Yamauchi say it is right before E3? Well, duh: To secure support for the product at a time when it is very shady as to who will win the console war.

If Yamauchi says "We won't ship this really cool game console that will make us a lot of money on the Pokemon and Miyamoto game sales alone unless you people kiss our asses at E3," what do you think is gonna happen? The press is gonna pay attention to Nintendo's booths a lot more than they had planned on doing and Nintendo fans are gonna send tons of letters to their favorite gaming press reminding them to do so.

Fear not - Nintendo has mucho mula in their bank accounts. Yamauchi is doing this to make sure the money they spend on E3 is worth every penny.

Re:Hope this means more gamers will buy a PS2. (1)

InstantCool (19982) | more than 13 years ago | (#271615)

Invaded my home through my roomate's usage. I use a Mac, but there are still Microsoft programs I have to use. As a web developer, I require Internet Explorer to do my day to day work. Like it or not Microsoft is everywhere. I just don't want them in my living room.

I wasn't posting this as a means to bash Microsoft (or get moded), but more as a small tidbit of info that some people seem to be missing about the PS2. A lot of people claim that Sony is dead in the consel wars because the stats of the system are lower than those of Xbox and GameCube. But the PS2 is based around a whole new architure for not only a consel, but PCs as well. Since people are still learning how to program for the thing, I believe the system could still have untold abilities yet. Read this Ars article [arstechnica.com] for more info.

As always, the games will tell the story. PS2's already got a good list of games that I want to play. So that's where my money went.

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Re:Loss of developers... (1)

decipher_saint (72686) | more than 13 years ago | (#271616)

The age of the average gamer is now around 25, if you are in your 20's you are the core demographic for computer / console games, Nintendo has failed to grasp this simple truth...

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Stop printing rumour as fact. (1)

fondue (244902) | more than 13 years ago | (#271617)

The article was mistranslated. This is not the first time one of the less reputable game news sites has jumped on such sketchy "information" and reported it as fact.

Number of references to the story x Number of banner ads on the page (over 10?) = easy money, provided you have no journalistic integrity. Perhaps the fact that the story makes no sense (Yup, Nintendo are *really* likely to can a project they have spent millions on and is eagerly anticipated by gamers all over the world. That's just such good business sense!)

(And a special thanks to all the Slashdot readers who seem to think they are games 'experts', that come out of the woodwork every time there's a gaming story - I'm sure the biggest entertainment software publisher in the world really cares that you think they 'suX0r'.)

AMEN! Zelda & Mario for PS2 - please! (1)

sudnshok (136477) | more than 13 years ago | (#271618)

I'd love to play both these series but refuse to pay an extra $300 to play them. What's wrong with the console I already own?

The humanity! (1)

Glytch (4881) | more than 13 years ago | (#271619)

Oh no! I might not be able to play all those games from companies that signed exclusively with Nintendo, like... like... hmm.

Oh well, nevermind.

as all the developers going over to the Xbox..... (2)

Vermifax (3687) | more than 13 years ago | (#271620)

Which of course will not happen unless the console doesn't get a 'good reception'

Seriously, how many developers really 'defect' anyway. It isn't in their best interest.

So long as there is an install base of the machine, developers will develop for it. (for a time anyway)

Vermifax

Re:Subtle Joke ... (1)

Decado (207907) | more than 13 years ago | (#271621)

"This was modded offtopic, but it does make some sort of sense."

Hence I called it a subtle joke. Glad someone got it though. And lets have a round of applause for the moderator involved. It seems if you cannot understand something it is now offtopic. On another note, how come at the moment the post has 1 -1 offtopic moderation but it shows as score 0: funny?

Re:It's been said before, (1)

yttrbium (228142) | more than 13 years ago | (#271622)

First, Konami and Capcom have already made announcements on games they plan to release for the GC. Which is a great sign. Nintendo isn't the least bit afraid of the "Square influence," since Mr. Y has stated that he would basically rather go to his grave than let Square develop for them. I would like to see him lay his spite to the side, but it will come as soon as he retires.

As far as your comment that Nintendo has essentially fallen by the way side in the console business, you're right, Nintendo didn't do as well as they hoped with their N64. It was by no means a failure though. 30 million units isn't bad. Not to mention some really earth-moving games like Mario 64, Zelda, GoldenEye.

We'll see. Nintendo's fate is by no means certain, but neither is Sony's. It pisses me off that they're already talking PS3...

(By the way, GC is slated for this fall, not next spring, unless you're in Europe...)

I find that... (1)

Vermifax (3687) | more than 13 years ago | (#271623)

...most often the people touting the 'Nintendo is kiddie' line are teenagers who are trying to be cool and grown up.

Once you get into the 20-somethings you run into more gamers who realize that a game is fun if it is fun and don't care what age group the game was marketed towards. We play Zelda right alongside Quake, Mario Bros right next to Baldur's Gate.

My views are in no way scientific, just observations over time on various gaming boards.

Vermifax

Been there done that... (1)

Steve Gibson (30331) | more than 13 years ago | (#271624)

This was a bad translation that was covered a week or so ago at Nintendojo [nintendojo.com] as well as my page [shacknews.com] . Here is another quote

'We have high hopes for the show and are confident the games will impress and astound attendees.'

The 'freeze' was just horribly translated. What he was referring to was in more general terms just to stop doing whatever doesn't impress people at E3. Sounds like what any developer would say. If they show off something at a trade show and everyone says that particular aspect or feature of a game sucks then they dont do it. He wasnt referring to the console system as a whole though.
-Steve Gibson

Re:Enh (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 13 years ago | (#271625)

The ESRB rating has very little to do with the targeted audience. The problem is that the N64 has few games that are made for older players who want their brain to work up a sweat. The latest Zelda might be well done in most aspects, but it's still easy enough for a young'um to play and beat, which means it's too easy to keep any serious RPG'er interested for very long. That's why the N64 is consistently labeled as a kid's console, and that's why mostly kids play N64.

Re:Enh (1)

purrpurrpussy (445892) | more than 13 years ago | (#271626)

Biggest piece of bullshit I ever heard..... Give it a year - EA~!! Eidos!!! shit your pants - Sega are gonna kill ya!. Sony?/ Ninty gonna get yer.... DC was(is) the best console with the best games I've bought since my SNES (super famicom).... Simply put - Sega needed DC to win back mindshare they had good rep for games despite all their hardware cockups - this time they made the ultimate console (for the time). Excellent graphics, built in modem etc..... It didn't take over the world.... it wasn't supposed to! The DC has been a fantastic success for Sega. In its few years I have rarely seen (or bought) a duff game for it. THAT WINS MINDSHARE AMONGST USERS!! It looke beuatiful. It did justice to Sega games.... Just play JSR without cvumming over those graphics (OK! - OTT!!!) They'll port their already amazing and popular titles to the XBox - Sony BWARE!!! They'll look even better - JSR with anti-aliasing and finally switch on trilinear everywhere.... If Gamecube fails (I hope it doesn't cos' I love ninty games - GBA is soooo coool! and I have wonderful games on N64 - F-zero, Mario, Perfect Dark, Bango etc...) then Ninty will go straight to XBox... garauntee it... Sony - closed box no h0lds barred they'll shit on you if they feel like it... MS - have they ever cared what software wos released for there platform?? In 5 years time when all the machines run ARM Java enabled CPU's with bithin' 2D/3D engines built into the firmware we'll wonder what the hardware args were about.... Matthew............. I THINK THEREFORE I STOUT.... slrp....

This is an ill-informed story. (2)

AFCArchvile (221494) | more than 13 years ago | (#271627)

(steps up on soapbox) I quote from Shacknews [shacknews.com] , which posted this story on April 19th:

Yikes! Holy bad translations batman! He's actually referring to the release and holding back the console until they can get a positive response.

There. The Gamecube will be produced, but depending on the feedback from E3, they might hold back the release of the console.

Re:Shameless PR (1)

decipher_saint (72686) | more than 13 years ago | (#271628)

I disagree, I think Yamauchi is really saying "we at Nintendo don't want to make the Edsel of next-gen machines, so I'm covering my ass now if we decide to pull the plug at the last minute, which we could afford to do"

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Comparing it to other systems (1)

WhyPanic (191016) | more than 13 years ago | (#271629)

Considering the Xbox is set to come out at about the same time, the GameCube is not in a good position. This site [theotaku.com] has the comparison, but I'll elaborate some. 733 Mhz vs. 405 Mhz, 250 Mhz graphics (nVidea) vs. 202 Mhz (proprietary). 64 MB vs. 43 MB. 6.4 GB/sec vs. 3.2 GB/sec. The kicker: 125 M/sec polygon perf. vs. 6-12 MB/sec. Not to mention lack of DVD. Also, whats the deal with using serial and parallel ports?!?! Is anyone going to be printing from their GameCube?

Re:That's BS and you know it. (1)

Glytch (4881) | more than 13 years ago | (#271630)

>Sony can't keep throwing money at PS2 forever.

Yes they can. This is *Sony* we're talking about. :)

Re:Enh (2)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 13 years ago | (#271631)

Wow... you said a mouthful... all true, too.
I think the definition of a good game by a "serious gamer" would be the fun factor.

I've been playing games for over a decade now. Graphics don't impress me (sorry, but Q3 is the boring same-old). What impresses me is the "Fun" factor. My old college roommates (we were all 23-24 years old) played mariocart into the ground. Super Smash brothers was also popular. Not because mario was in it, but because it was fun. I found the first Zelda to be extremely fun. If there is one name that comes up with games that are fun, I'd have to say Miyamoto. He knows what he's doing (hell, he's been doing it for years).

Granted, the PSX has games that are also fun (RE series, MGS, Gran Turismo), but they use "teenage tactics" to lure in their audience. Lets face it, put a fun game out in front of a teenager raging with horomones, and put in a game with breasts or violence. What's he gonna pick??
For me, I'm keeping my DC, playin my PC (waiting for the next Sid Meier or Warren Spector game), and will wait to see what games come out for the 2 new contenders before I buy anything...

Re:Nintendo is best (1)

Spagornasm (444846) | more than 13 years ago | (#271632)

You liked the Virtual Boy? That thing was absolutely terrible! The N64, on the other hand, had a great start (Mario 64 and Goldeneye are still top notch games), but it has had a looooooooooong decline. It has come to the point where the N64 just had repackaged PS games, but without the nifty CG sequences and sound samples. Also, ROM cartridges are still hellishly expensive to manufacture, and Nintendo has a lot of liscencing hoops that it requires developers to jump through. I think that Nintendo is making a mistake this time by once again not adapting a standardized media format.

This is not a surprise (1)

randomErr (172078) | more than 13 years ago | (#271633)

Nintendo has always been cold towards an optical media. Remember that Zelda 64 was supposed to be on the Bulky Drive.

Add to the fact that Japan's economy is 10 times worst then most first world country's. Its not a surprise they are reluctant.

IMHO: From the current specs I have to say that I'm not impressed. They all seemed a step lowered the PS2's. Nintendo has a history of waiting for all of a given generation's systems to be marketed before finalizing their specs. Remember the SNES was delayed over a year and the graphics chip redone so that Big N could say their system could do twice as many colors as the Sega Genesis.

I think at this time its better to take a wait and see attitude.

P.S. Virtual Boy

Nintedo screws Sony(PS-X):
http://www.atlink.it/psx/hacks/psxfaq.htm [atlink.it]
http://slashdot.org/books/01/01/31/1615218.shtml [slashdot.org]

Bulky Drive:
http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/depart/n64.htm l [gamesdomain.com]

Can NO ONE check their facts first? (1)

bluephone (200451) | more than 13 years ago | (#271634)

Ok, the REAL FACTS are that this was a mistranslation. In the bad translation, he was to have said this:

"If we are unable to see a positive response at E3, this will have a disasterous impact on Nintendo...and we may have to consider freezing the Gamecube business altogether."

BUT in reality what he was saying is that they would hold the release until a more favorable opinion came out. Don't think freeze as in stop, think freeze as in freeze-thaw.

Here's the real scoop. [shacknews.com]

Pardon me if this seems harsh, but people need to CHECK THEIR FACTS before they submit a story.

--

Re:Enh (1)

deaddrunk (443038) | more than 13 years ago | (#271635)

How do you know how good Halo for the X-box is? I'm tired of hearing about how great the X-Box is. It isn't great. It might be, but no-one will know until it's released. Don't believe the hype, just wait and see, or else you might end up being badly disappointed.

Not Likely to happen because... (1)

dingo2000 (221196) | more than 13 years ago | (#271636)

This is not likely to happen for several reasons, but one that came to my mind was the Game Boy Advance. I follow the Games Industry, and especially Nintendo quite closely, and Nintendo has been working on making the GBA compatible with the GameCube, like having games transfer data back and forth, and stuff like that. Now, we know that GBA is all systems go, considering the facts that it's already out in Japan, and The Almighty North American Release is only a month and some days away. (June 11th, I'll be in line :) Now, the GC is coming out this fall, last I heard. They most likely wouldn't just cancel it this close to release, that would be the equivalent of dropping a large weight on their foot. They've put alot of effort into developing and marketing it, and canceling now would be worse then just releasing it now and building up the critics support later. They already have a tremendous amount of support, and alot of people are looking forward to it. Summary: IMHO, This doesn't affect GameCube at all.

Re:Somehow this isn't much of a surprise.... (1)

questionlp (58365) | more than 13 years ago | (#271637)

The quality of the Sega Dreamcast is very good (the graphics capability is really nice, mostly when coupled with a computer monitor... or even a high-quality LCD monitor)... what ``killed'' the Dreamcast was the Playstation (and in part, the N64).

Sony has a very, very good line-up of game software companies (EA, Square, Capcom, etc.) where Sega couldn't get into the sights of those companies (other than Capcom, but that's because Capcom is willing to spread themselves across several console platforms).

Bargaining chip (2)

Nerds (126684) | more than 13 years ago | (#271638)

Two points:
  • First, this [n-sider.com] is a well-informed perspective on why Yamauchi would say this, and it's most likely dead on.
  • Second, the Gamecube is going to be impressive, big time, so it's not evan an issue. For those of you who think that Nintendo is for kids and that the games aren't going to be there, wait until E3 before you pass that judgement. Nintendo is not where they are now because they are stupid, expect them to learn from their mistakes. Yeah, Pokemon and Mario will be there, but so will Metroid, Perfect Dark, Too Human, Biohazard 0, Eternal Darkness, and a number of other games that will impress even us "old people" in our twenties.

Yeah... (1)

Scoria (264473) | more than 13 years ago | (#271639)

... But Pokemonish fads don't last forever...

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