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iOS 6 Streaming Bug Sends Data Usage Skyrocketing

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the please-don't-start-calling-this-streamgate dept.

Bug 98

MojoKid writes "iOS 6, by all appearances, has a streaming problem. This is separate from the network issues that led Verizon to state that it wouldn't bill people for overages that were caused by spotty Wi-Fi connectivity. The issue has been detailed at PRX.org with information on how the team saw a huge spike in bandwidth usage after the release of iOS 6, and then carefully tested the behavior of devices and its own app to narrow the possible cause. In one case, the playback of a single 30MB episode caused the transfer of over 100MB of data. It is believed that the issue was solved with the release of iOS 6.0.1, but anecdotal evidence from readers points to continued incidents of high data usage, even after updating. If you own an iPhone 5 or upgraded to iOS 6 on an older device, it is strongly recommend to check your usage over the past two months, update to iOS 6.0.1, and plan for a lengthy discussion with your carrier if it turns out your data use went through the roof."

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Sounds like they're watching everything now. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42005669)

The simplest explanation is that all data you download is uploaded to two monitoring third parties. Previously, they only logged session statistics. Now they log every single thing you do - one stream goes to Apple for "anonymous statistics", and the other goes to some government agency looking for terrists and pedos.

The simplest explanation is most often the correct one.

Re:Sounds like they're watching everything now. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42005919)

I'm not an investing whiz, but can one bet on AAPL's stock tanking? I bet the insiders and big shareholders are preparing to, and if you are holding AAPL stock, so should you. Cash out your mutual funds and other investments while you can, cuz shit gonna take a big nosedive.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:Sounds like they're watching everything now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42006473)

yes.

It's called a "short sale" or "shorting" the stock. Basically you borrow someone else's stock and sell it, but after a time (or certain other conditions) you have to buy back the same number of shares to give back to the person you borrowed from. The nasty bit (for the shorter) is there is unlimited potential for loss.

Talk to your broker.

Re: Sounds like they're watching everything now. (1)

MickLinux (579158) | about 2 years ago | (#42012287)

Don't forget about the big investors shaking the tree on sure events. Reference book "Escape from America", a moderately useful guide for expat gonna-bes. Investor saw news of revolution in Rhodesia, and realized that -- I think the metal was Molybdenum -- would rise sharply in price, so he bought heavily on leverage, and then watched the price drop 15% before taking off like crazy. The stop loss call wiped him out. He asked his broker what happened, and his broker said that the really big investors also bought futures, but first shorted the market to shake the smaller investors out into their pockets.

Two rules for investing: 1] if you don't know who the sucker is then it's you 2] don't.

Re:Sounds like they're watching everything now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42007059)

How can Apple's stock tank? They are the only players in the smartphone and tablet market for the most part. In fact, all they have to do is introduce a new device and they just created a new ecosystem. Stock goes low, out comes a phablet. It dips again, they make a server grade appliance similar to the XServe except with an iOS version running server apps.

Re:Sounds like they're watching everything now. (1)

hawguy (1600213) | about 2 years ago | (#42007623)

How can Apple's stock tank? They are the only players in the smartphone and tablet market for the most part. In fact, all they have to do is introduce a new device and they just created a new ecosystem. Stock goes low, out comes a phablet.

That's weird, I'm almost certain that I heard about a competitor to Apple in the mobile device space:

http://www.businessinsider.com/mobile-market-share-2012-11 [businessinsider.com]

In the US, Apple's market share is stronger. According to Comscore, Android had 53% of the market in September, as compared to Apple's 34%.

In the short term, Apple has nothing to fear, they have plenty of money in the bank, but they need to keep coming out with innovative, game changing devices - incremental updates of their existing product line isn't going to fend off the competition. And they need to avoid more Apple Maps type blunders - don't ship a product until it's done.

 

It dips again, they make a server grade appliance similar to the XServe except with an iOS version running server apps

I don't know what the purpose of such an "enterprise grade IOS appliance" would be, but I think it's unlikely that Apple would try a push into the crowded Enterprise server market again.

Re:Sounds like they're watching everything now. (1)

Tough Love (215404) | about 2 years ago | (#42007995)

In the short term, Apple has nothing to fear, they have plenty of money in the bank, but they need to keep coming out with innovative, game changing devices...

Tim Cook can't do it. He wears the black turtleneck, but he doesn't fill it.

Re:Sounds like they're watching everything now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42010647)

>In the US

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your point but the US is a tiny part of the global mobile phone market. You could have 0% US market share but have a ton elsewhere and you would still be rolling in money.

Re:Sounds like they're watching everything now. (1)

hawguy (1600213) | about 2 years ago | (#42024145)

>In the US

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your point but the US is a tiny part of the global mobile phone market. You could have 0% US market share but have a ton elsewhere and you would still be rolling in money.

Surely you could have clicked through the article I linked to before making your irrelevant point, Apple is doing even worse in the global market... from TFA:

In the third quarter, IDC reports, Android sales accounted for a staggering 75% of the smartphone market. Apple sales, meanwhile, accounted for only 15%. Android is still gaining share rapidly, so Apple's share may shrink even further.

Re:Sounds like they're watching everything now. (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about 2 years ago | (#42007691)

except you need sales to fund the new product development... anyone can build new things if someone else is paying, but a viable capitalist enterprise must hand over a decent percentage of its income to shareholders, which limits the available funds for development/expansion

otherwise they would already be doing what you are suggesting

Re:Sounds like they're watching everything now. (2)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 2 years ago | (#42006335)

The simplest explanation

I think you meant "stupidest."

Re:Sounds like they're watching everything now. (1)

Mister Whirly (964219) | about 2 years ago | (#42006869)

No, the stupidest explanation would be "You are holding the phone wrong." But that excuse has already been used by Apple in the past.

Re:Sounds like they're watching everything now. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42006795)

The explanation with the least assumptions is usually the correct one. That certainly doesn't mean "simplest" you stupid faggot.

Re:Sounds like they're watching everything now. (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about 2 years ago | (#42007725)

depends how genralised your assumptions are... i can assume you are a moron or i could assume you are young and ignorant, which therefore means you are a moron... the former has fewer assumptions but is no more useful than the latter, except that i do actually think you are a moron

Well done (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42005731)

I am glad that there are such rigorous QC controls in place at Apple to protect Customers from issues like this. I am also glad to see that the issue was corrected so quickly, with Apple being upfront with customers about the issue, and working with carriers to correct it.

It's examples like this that make it easy to clearly identify why using Apple products is such a good idea, for all involved.

Re:Well done (1)

dyingtolive (1393037) | about 2 years ago | (#42005751)

Well, it's money well spent, again, and again, and again.

Re:Well done (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42005945)

Well, atleast with Apple we get updates!

Re:Well done (0)

Dishevel (1105119) | about 2 years ago | (#42007149)

I get them with Nexus.
And a lot more.

Re:Well done (1)

Bryansix (761547) | about 2 years ago | (#42010205)

Its funny because Apple must not like network connections in General. They routinely break wifi with updates. Not only on their phones but also on iMacs and other devices too. Of course you can plug those devices into the network which brings up an incident I had with an iMac about 5 years ago where the network interface would fail intermittently every so often. Of course with a normal computer you can just put an add in card. With the iMac, it just had to go in the recycle bin.

Apple cultists (5, Funny)

Dunbal (464142) | about 2 years ago | (#42005733)

Don't worry, it's all part of Apple Innovation. You must be using the phone wrong or something. You'll be able to buy a patch soon.

Re:Apple cultists (2)

yacc143 (975862) | about 2 years ago | (#42005925)

Exactly, and the perverted criminal competition has changed the landscape all around to make Apple Maps look bad.

Re:Apple cultists (0, Flamebait)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about 2 years ago | (#42005993)

You'll be able to buy a patch soon.

Apple does not charge for iOS upgrades or patches, does lying to yourself and others make you feel better about your phone choice?

Re:Apple cultists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42006391)

The joke is that Apple tends to put their customers on a forced hardware upgrade treadmill more than any other technology company. Does being indignant about jokes make you feel better about your phone choice?

Re:Apple cultists (1, Informative)

PIBM (588930) | about 2 years ago | (#42006463)

Remember ios 2.0 ? They released that one for 10$

Re:Apple cultists (2)

immaterial (1520413) | about 2 years ago | (#42007087)

Only for the iPod Touch (which according to Apple was due to SOX and the way they handled accounting for that first generation iPod Touch).

Re:Apple cultists (2)

metalgamer84 (1916754) | about 2 years ago | (#42006527)

*whoosh*

Re:Apple cultists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42007523)

You'll be able to buy a patch soon.

Apple does not charge for iOS upgrades or patches, does lying to yourself and others make you feel better about your phone choice?

Actually, they did, dumbass. Remember the Touch? Of course you didn't.

Re:Apple cultists (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 years ago | (#42006143)

Don't worry, it's all part of Apple Innovation. You must be using the phone wrong or something. You'll be able to buy a patch soon.

... and by "patch," we of course mean the iPhone 6.

Re:Apple cultists (1)

jd2112 (1535857) | about 2 years ago | (#42006561)

Don't worry, it's all part of Apple Innovation. You must be using the phone wrong or something. You'll be able to buy a patch soon.

No, it is exactly the way AT&T and Verizon want it.

Denial time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42005763)

And now time for 200 posts on how "I have an iPhone 5 and my data usage is the exact same as with my old 4S, therefore this is a lie and no one is actually having this problem".

iOS Reality vs. the distortedonline mob discussion (4, Insightful)

Pausanias (681077) | about 2 years ago | (#42006771)

Feel free to accuse me of lying, but my data usage is actually dramatically LOWER on iPhone 5 than it was on the iPhone4. I am now able to use Pandora, whereas I couldn't before on iPhone4/iOS5. I have also had no problems with iOS6 Maps---in fact iOS6 Maps uses WAY less data than the intentionally crippled Google Maps, which would download bitmap instead of vector graphics and chomp through my data usage like a monster.

I don't mean to argue that Apple isn't an evil company and I recognize that iOS6 has some glaring problems that affect a significant minority of people. But, the truth is, for a vast majority of people, all is well in iOS land.

The disconnect between the reality of the experience for actual iPhone users and the way it gets reported online is massive---it's like two different universes. Walled garden aside, the actual experience with the iPhone is quite good. Whether you buy into the walled garden or not depends on whether there are iOS-exclusive apps you value over your right to tweak and pirate (which, let's be frank, that's what the "freedom" of Android is all about in the USA---sideloading pirated apps and futzing with widgets. In China and other freedom-restricted places, I agree sideloading could have real freedom-related importance).

Re:iOS Reality vs. the distortedonline mob discuss (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about 2 years ago | (#42007767)

hahahahaha "significant minority"... could possibly make sense but still sounds funny

Re:iOS Reality vs. the distortedonline mob discuss (1)

Bryansix (761547) | about 2 years ago | (#42010227)

As someone who works on fixing all kinds of devices from Macs to PCs and iPhones to Andoid, let me say that most of the time iPhones DO work as intended but when they fail, they just make you want to throw them against a hard surface and light them on fire. When they break, they just break so spectacularly. Usually, they can't even be fixed until an update get pushed out. That's the real difference. With iWhatever, you usually are not going to be able to fix it yourself.

Here in first world countries (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42005771)

we don't get billed for usage

Re:Here in first world countries (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42005877)

LOL! Yeah - I feel that. I don't get billed for usage. I pay a low and predictable flat fee every month for unlimited call/text/data.

I am aware though, that some people live in countries where there is much stronger corporate rule.

Re:Here in first world countries (-1, Troll)

Alien Being (18488) | about 2 years ago | (#42005929)

The United States of America is the only first world country on Earth. The rest are lowlife cunts.

Re:Here in first world countries (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42006081)

When it comes to telecommunications, the USA and Canada are third-world countries.

Signed,
a Canadian.

Re:Here in first world countries (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42008089)

The United States of America is the only first world country on Earth. The rest are lowlife cunts.

And this is why your empire will turn to dust, infidel !

I'm in the US, and don't get billed for usage. (1)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about 2 years ago | (#42006037)

Unlimited data, text, phone calls in Austin, TX for $40 per month on a Samsung Android.

Re:I'm in the US, and don't get billed for usage. (2)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 2 years ago | (#42006341)

What happens if you leave Austin?

Re:I'm in the US, and don't get billed for usage. (1)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about 2 years ago | (#42006943)

What happens if you leave Austin?

It's nationwide. Sprint network has a bunch of great deals. My daughter has iPhone 4s with unlimited data/text/calling for $50 a month

Re:I'm in the US, and don't get billed for usage. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42006395)

* can't be used outside of Austin, TX.

Re:I'm in the US, and don't get billed for usage. (1)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about 2 years ago | (#42006967)

No - it's nationwide.

Re:I'm in the US, and don't get billed for usage. (1)

jittles (1613415) | about 2 years ago | (#42006423)

Unlimited data, text, phone calls in FL for $45 a month on an iPhone, with unlimited text, data, and phone calls on an iPad as well (well if they let you use the iPad to make calls. There's no reason it can't! The iPad2 can be used to make calls!) for an additional $30. Well really my work pays for both, but they are on my personal account.

Re:I'm in the US, and don't get billed for usage. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42007091)

Sprints 3G is slower than dialup.

Re:I'm in the US, and don't get billed for usage. (1)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about 2 years ago | (#42007873)

4G is included. And Sprint 3G is pretty good in Austin - I've streamed a bunch of TV programs, radio, etc.

Re:I'm in the US, and don't get billed for usage. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42007989)

I'm in Phoenix and its really quite bad. I'm on an iphone though and I can sit down my sisters galaxy and get much better speeds. Not sure if its the device or the rumored throttling of iphones on sprints 3g network.

wrong recipient (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42005819)

Why should the carrier care, the fault lies here with Apple, so a discussion with your local collection of badly geniuses is what you need.

Re:wrong recipient (1, Insightful)

yacc143 (975862) | about 2 years ago | (#42005895)

So if Hyundai lies about it's cars fuel efficiency, you go and discuss this at your gas station, right?

Re:wrong recipient (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42006135)

wow, just stop commenting. The obvious analogy would have been the Hyundai dealership, how you associated gas station attendants and Hyundai to Apple store geniuses and Apple is beyond me. You must have absolutely bombed the SATs (if you took them). And the answer would have been yes this is where you go.

Re:wrong recipient (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42006239)

Well, I haven't had a phone that I bought at a carrier shop for years, thinking about it, the last was in 2008.

So why should my carrier care how the traffic happened?

Re:wrong recipient (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42006697)

I think gas station = the people charging you for the data. Which is not the apple genius bar employee.

Re:wrong recipient (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42011597)

Yes, but nobody claims that the carrier is charging for traffic that did not happen it's just that the premium services of a certain manufacturer use surprising amounts of data

Re:wrong recipient (1)

Bryansix (761547) | about 2 years ago | (#42010257)

So if Hyundai lies about it's cars fuel efficiency, you go and discuss this at your gas station, right?

Strike that. Reverse it.

Re:wrong recipient (2)

jellomizer (103300) | about 2 years ago | (#42005927)

The carrier sells the product.

While it is an Apple bug. the Carrier wasn't diligent enough to check for that flaw, and they are selling a device that could rack up minutes without the user knowing. For the most part if Verizon doesn't charge for the excess they are the good guy. If they charged than they will be less trusted.

Re:wrong recipient (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42006427)

Well a device locked onto one network is rather of limited usage for somebody that has a collection of SIMs, one for each country that I visit often.

The funny part is that for sensible rates and affordable in five countries I don't pay relevant sums, but then I need to switch SIMs when crossing a border.

Re:wrong recipient (1)

BancBoy (578080) | about 2 years ago | (#42010621)

Hate to respond to an AC, but as you don't seem to be trolling, and it is on topic...

The Verizon iPhone 5 is carrier unlocked. Straight out of the box. No tweaking required.

I'm not a Verizon customer, as it happens. I use an unlocked iPhone 4 on T-Mobile.

Federal plan, no limits (1)

jupiterssj4 (801031) | about 2 years ago | (#42005825)

haha federal government truly unlimited data plan, don't care about data usage

what about roaming? (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 2 years ago | (#42005863)

what about roaming? roaming in Canada is like $2+ a meg.

Re:Federal plan, no limits (2)

millertym (1946872) | about 2 years ago | (#42005917)

Tisk, tisk! You approach your federal government data plan just like you approach your federal government budget management skills.

case for unlimited (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42005857)

i still have my grandfathered unlimited (for now), and i dont have a iphone, but if i did, i wouldn't care, and this is the entire point of unlimited data.

Rejoice - Apple broadcasts the world it sux (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | about 2 years ago | (#42005859)

That headline is the mean interpretation of all Apple bashers, whereas the Apple fanboys will call it a glitch or a minor mishap.

Somewhere along the infamous, slippery path both may have delivered a relevant piece of an annoying truth.

Re:Rejoice - Apple broadcasts the world it sux (2)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about 2 years ago | (#42007601)

re: MojoKid writes "iOS 6, by all appearances, has a streaming problem."

Normally, aurologist would suggest drinking more Apple juice. Wont work here, thatt'd be kinda cannibalistic.

Who declared it a bug (1)

wbr1 (2538558) | about 2 years ago | (#42005861)

Tinfoil hat time here. Why did it have to be a bug? Perhaps apple wanted to push for updated networks, or a carrier wanted more money and colluded with apple. Maybe not even to make money, but to have more 'evidence' for caps and throttling. Just sayin'.

Oblig. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42005881)

They're just holding it wrong.

What problem? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42005991)

It stream's jizz into bungholes just fine.

Not a problem (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42006073)

This is not a problem. Apple users are expected to pay (at least) 3 times as much for anything. Since they already bought Apple, it means (by definition) that they have more dollars than sense. Even if the problem gets fixed, they should be expected to pay triple the going rate.

Bypassing wifi too (4, Interesting)

A5un (586681) | about 2 years ago | (#42006215)

Probably this is a different issue with the reported issue, but I have noticed that iOS is bypassing the wifi network and flip to cellular data network every so often (and flips back again). This happens probably a handful of times in 1 hour. This is easy to check if you have a wifi AP with tcpdump or wireshark running on it. It's especially bad when you're running VoIP app that needs to register properly so that calls can be routed to the proper IP address.

Has anyone else notice this issue?

Re:Bypassing wifi too (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 2 years ago | (#42006635)

Probably this is a different issue with the reported issue, but I have noticed that iOS is bypassing the wifi network and flip to cellular data network every so often (and flips back again). This happens probably a handful of times in 1 hour. This is easy to check if you have a wifi AP with tcpdump or wireshark running on it. It's especially bad when you're running VoIP app that needs to register properly so that calls can be routed to the proper IP address.

There is a setting I believe (I've only seen the screenshots - I didn't install iOS6) that enables iOS to use 3G if it detects the WiFi is bad. Could this be the case - your device has a terrible/slow/laggy WiFi connection and it decides using 3G would at least lead to a more stable internet connection?

Re:Bypassing wifi too (1)

A5un (586681) | about 2 years ago | (#42006805)

There is a setting I believe (I've only seen the screenshots - I didn't install iOS6) that enables iOS to use 3G if it detects the WiFi is bad. Could this be the case - your device has a terrible/slow/laggy WiFi connection and it decides using 3G would at least lead to a more stable internet connection?

I'll check for this setting. However, I don't think the WiFi connection is slow at all. The WiFi goes to a corporate network with 100 Mbps dedicated connection to the Internet both up and down. Something is definitely amiss. Btw, iOS 6.0.1 does not fix this issue.

Re:Bypassing wifi too (1)

drkstr1 (2072368) | about 2 years ago | (#42012823)

On those large wifi networks, it is less about the outbound pipe speed, and more about the signal noise.

Re:Bypassing wifi too (1)

WiiVault (1039946) | about 2 years ago | (#42009517)

I believe the setting you are referring to was only in the pre 6.0 betas. I can't remember what it was called. I assume it was removed because of issues like this. But perhaps only the toggle was removed?

Not a new issue. (1)

Ecuador (740021) | about 2 years ago | (#42007667)

Ok, I have an extra iPhone just for development which I put on a pre-paid plan that charges 1 euro for every day you use the 3G network. I have used that kind of plan on Maemo/MeeGo and Symbian phones for years and I never had a charge while at home since I have a good WiFi network.
You are starting to see where I am going eh?
So, a couple of weeks after I added such a card on the iPhone, which was a bit more than a year ago (so we are talking about iOS 5), I disable the WiFi to do some testing with 3G. In comes a message that I have no credit to use 3G. I look in the message folder and for the first time I notice that I had received a message every day about using 3G, and after 10 such messages my 10 euro credit was gone. So I researched what the heck is going on and found other people were having the same problem, and it was really a problem for pre-paid plans like mine, the usual post-paid plan users just shrugged-off a few MB's of extra 3G usage per day. Anyway it seems (as far as people can tell) that when you are not using the phone and goes to some low power mode, it disconnects WiFi and connects via 3G, without any option for the user other than disabling 3G data beforehand! What other phones have as default behavior - ONLY use 3G if you don't have a WiFi connection - is not even an option! If another company did idiotic stuff like that people would be after them (at least for the extra 3G data charges), but I guess if Apple gives you a mouse with a single button, that's how mice are supposed to be...

Re:Not a new issue and Android did it too (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42008803)

My Samsung Galaxy S (Fascinate) does the same thing. Its a battery-saving behavior, but at least the Android phone had a setting to let the user control whether or not it disabled the WiFi comms when the screen is off for an extended period and the phone wasnt plugged in to the wall.

Go back two years when Android was really taking off and you'll see lots of user complaints about impossible overnight uses of their 3G data eating away their limited usage plan.

Re:Not a new issue. (1)

Cimexus (1355033) | about 2 years ago | (#42011769)

iPhone has always done this (so definitely not an iOS 6 or iOS 5-specific thing). It's a battery-saving measure. Actually, don't most smartphones do this? (Apple or not)

Re:Not a new issue. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42011873)

Definitely not "most smartphones". Or at least they give you an option. IIRC the once most popular platform (Symbian) had a setting "prefer wifi" or similar. In any case you did not have such a problem and it was some years ago that they had it working right.

Re:Bypassing wifi too (1)

yabos (719499) | about 2 years ago | (#42026545)

My GF's iPad keeps complaining that she's nearing here data usage cap(1GB). When you go to check the usage on the cellular provider's website(Bell Canada), she's well below the cap. Something is indeed a little buggy with iOS 6. Most of the usage is on WIFI also.

iOS 6 trash (0)

Anarchy24 (964386) | about 2 years ago | (#42006259)

Soooooo glad I haven't "upgraded" to iOS 6 yet. Between the maps and now this, it sounds like a real piece of trash. I've been an Apple hater for decades - their PCs suck, but I will admit that their hand-held devices are amazing. They've taken a big step backwards in my book, with iOS 6.

Not on Mine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42006479)

Ive got iOS6 and just checked my usage is 90.6MB sent / 665mb received on cellur network....that is for 1 year this Sunday. So no it is not a problem at least on my end.

Give Apple a break (-1, Troll)

Tough Love (215404) | about 2 years ago | (#42006549)

Give Apple a break. They wanted to test IOS 6, they really did, but they didn't have time because they were too busy launching patent thug lawsuits.

Re:Give Apple a break (0)

Tough Love (215404) | about 2 years ago | (#42009447)

Give Apple a break. They wanted to test IOS 6, they really did, but they didn't have time because they were too busy launching patent thug lawsuits.

Whoa, looks like Apple sent some of its thugmods around. Sensitive about that thug thing much?

Re:Give Apple a break (2)

Tough Love (215404) | about 2 years ago | (#42013757)

Give Apple a break. They wanted to test IOS 6, they really did, but they didn't have time because they were too busy launching patent thug lawsuits.

Whoa, looks like Apple sent some of its thugmods around. Sensitive about that thug thing much?

Indeed, Apple thugs are definitely senstive about being called thugs. Here's a novel idea: don't be thugs and people might not call you thugs thugs.

No Agenda had it first (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42006679)

The podcast No Agenda actually broke this story months ago, they noticed ios6 devices stopping and restarting the download of their show multiple times.

It took a larger developer to whine for anyone to care about this.

Spade (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42007119)

I've had my iphone5 for over a month now and havent noticed any "data leaks" while still on iOS6. i just checked my data usage on AT&T and it says ive used 1.38GB, 20 days in on my 31 day cycle. I've streamed Sirius radio daily for about 5 hours a day 3 days a week listening to Howard. And some youtube videos here and there and heavy web browsing while at work. http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/2420/photorz.png

Not so sure this is entirely iOS 6 related... (1)

rschwa (89030) | about 2 years ago | (#42007209)

Alright, here's a data point that might throw a monkeywrench into this situation...
I have an ipod, still on 5.1.1, that I drive around all day connected to a verizon wifi hotspot thingy with a 3GB data plan. Usually, I download the couple of podcasts I listen to at home before work, but if I forget, I'll go ahead and download it out on the road, they run about 40 MB or so. The only other thing I do is a few emails, a few google searches, and the occasional look at facebook.

In the past, I would sometimes get the 50% usage email and chuckle because the cycle ended the next day.

Yesterday I got the warning that I've already used 1.5 GB since the 10th. Going onto verizon's site, it looks like I'm using 3-5 times more data than I would expect at approximately the times I would be listening to the podcasts.

Maybe unrelated? But I've literally never used data that fast in the 2+ years I've been doing this. Even when I first got on Pandora and really listened to it a lot, I didn't start getting data warnings until I was 2.5-3 weeks into the cycle..

So, TL;DR This might be a problem with the podcasts app or some other phenomenon unrelated to ios 6 per se.

  I'm just putting it into and out of airplane mode for now, kind of a PITA though.

Post Steve Jobs? (2)

slapout (93640) | about 2 years ago | (#42007359)

First maps, then no YouTube app for the iPad and now this. Things aren't looking good for iOS post-Steve Jobs.

Re:Post Steve Jobs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42008115)

While Steve Jobs gave the go-no-go, ultimately some development teams below him actually make the specs, implement it into a product. Did Apple completely fired all these people and hire someone new? You've got to ask how can the same guys produce products like this?

Re:Post Steve Jobs? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42008311)

You know, your'e absolutely right about Maps. However, YouTube? Really? Please be serious.

There was no good reason to use the YouTube app; I never did in the 4+ years I used an iPhone or the iPad watching tons of YouTube videos during that time.

Did you have a specific use for that app that wasn't replicated elsewhere or are you just posting something about it because you assume it would get modded up? I hope you aren't one of those people who complain about bloatware too.

Re:Post Steve Jobs? (1)

squwint (1707242) | about 2 years ago | (#42009369)

Once Google releases the map app, the same might be applied. Web version is still awkward compared with the native one.

Re:Post Steve Jobs? (1)

WiiVault (1039946) | about 2 years ago | (#42009495)

Very true about GMaps being awkward vs native app. But did you ever use the older YouTube app? It was fucking horrible, featureless, HD-challanged, slow as all hell. The new Google provided one is so much better, and even the web interface was miles ahead for literally years. The other benefit for iOS users is one less uninstallable app. But Apple should have let people do that from the start.

Re:Post Steve Jobs? (1)

slapout (93640) | about 2 years ago | (#42009931)

The Google YouTube app is an iPhone app that doesn't work in landscape mode on the iPad.

Re:Post Steve Jobs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42012259)

There was no good reason to use the YouTube app

Well, there is one... it is a nicer, cleaner interface to use than the mobile web app, which blanks out between page loads.

Re:Post Steve Jobs? (1)

Cimexus (1355033) | about 2 years ago | (#42011777)

I don't think many people are being affected by this bug - some are, for sure, but it's not hugely wide-spread. I certainly haven't noticed anything odd going on with the data usage of the 3 iOS devices in this household since upgrading to iOS6.

The new maps does suck, that's for sure though. Not so much the app itself (the vector-based mapping engine is pretty awesome actually, much faster and lighter on data usage than the old bitmap maps) ... it's just the data that is terribly bad. Which is fixable, thankfully.

Only a streaming problem? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42008395)

You only have to try the appstore app on an ipad to see how bad the design is, and how broken certain functionality is. For instance, if you display an app's information, then go to related and follow a different app, instead of showing a back button, the current pseudo-modal view is moved to the left, with the new one taking the center of the screen. But way, if there is no button back, how do you go back? You have to figure out that tapping on an unused but still visible area of the previous rectangle has the same effect of the back button. Touching anywhere else clears all navigation. Thanks apple.

Also, have you noticed the app store doesn't even cache anything at all? Every time I go into the app store it takes fucking 10 second to load and display anything at all other than a gray screen, simply because you know, Apple doesn't even know what caching is (and yes, their OS level cache for NSURLConnection is another nice clusterfuck).

With Bell extra charges are a feature. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42008833)

You can bet that Bell will do their usual crap and lock in the phones to iOS 6.

They are the worst with messing with roms and locking out updates hands down. And insist on locked roms.

For one they then have to port all their add on junkware in a hurry. Make certain that users have no clue as to how to change their settings to use GMail or something other than their home page. Change the UI to make it harder to default to wifi when available instead of 4g or 3g.

I am hoping someone up here in Canada sues their butts off over this software fault if they do not quickly push the fix from Apple!

Fortunately I did not fall for their "end of contract upgrade deal to an iPhone 5" that they are sending text messages and voice every other day. They are the worst company to be hooked into on a contract hands down and their data rates and policies verge on extortion!

Apple's stance: It's AT&T's fault, no matter w (1)

Mister Xiado (1606605) | about 2 years ago | (#42010391)

Even if you're on Verizon. AT&T's position is "We just provide the roads you drive on. If your car drives a thousand miles without you wanting it to, it's not the fault or will of the highway department." Never mind the fact that if carriers wanted to rip customers off, they would simply disable network access entirely, freeing up bandwidth for more important clients. No, it's a far more Romulan level of ploy to put bricks on everyone's pedals and then deal with everyone else complaining about degraded bandwidth. Three things will kill a lithium ion cell. Time, temperature, and use. And transmitting data constantly will result in two of those three, with time doing its own thing. And you can't replace an iPhone's battery without voiding your often-dismissed warranty. Curious indeed. It's almost as if Apple wants people's phones to burn out, so they have to buy new ones.

Try talking to Apple thirteen months after you've bought your phone. Then try talking to your phone service provider at the same time. See who tries to charge you for help.

Are we sure about this? Jailbreakers affected? (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | about 2 years ago | (#42010421)

Apple came out with an update some time ago so the only people who would still be on iOS 6.0 would be people who have jailbroken their devices. That is one of many risks you run if you choose to jailbreak. If you are not jailbroken then there should be no reason to be still on iOS 6.0.0.

Makes you think (1)

rannug (22535) | about 2 years ago | (#42014445)

How much bandwidth is wasted by buggy software (and by "buggy" I also mean super-inefficent borderline stupid codig) per year...?

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