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NASA: Mission Accomplished, Kepler – Now Look Harder Still

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the to-seek-out-new-life-and-new-civilizations dept.

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cylonlover writes "It's been more than three and a half years since the Kepler Space Telescope began its mission as humanity's watcher for Earth-like planets outside of the Solar System. In that time, Kepler has done exactly what was asked of it: provide the data to help identify more than 2,300 exoplanet candidates in other star systems. And so NASA has announced the 'successful completion' of Kepler's prime mission. There's one nagging detail, though: we are yet to find a truly Earth-like planet. It's time to alter the parameters of the search, which is why NASA has announced Kepler will now begin an extended mission that could last as long as four years."

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First (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42007879)

apk is a troller

Re:First (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42008083)

can we find a exoplanet and call it Africa and send all the blacks there? please? pretty please with a cherry on top? they would like it too yknow, they always complain about how much they dont like it here.

call it GANGSTAVILLE and they will build their own spaceships and go there on there own

Re:First (-1, Flamebait)

wierd_w (1375923) | about a year and a half ago | (#42008173)

I have a better idea.

We can find a desert planet, and send all the racists there. There are far fewer racists than there are minorities, so the economis work out better.

Re:First (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42008625)

I have a better idea.

We can find a desert planet, and send all the racists there. There are far fewer racists than there are minorities, so the economis work out better.

get yourself lost in the inner city sometime and tell me how much they appreciate how inclusive you are.

oh and worldwide whites are a minority less than 10%. by your own rule the blacks who hate whites should be in the desert. lots of blacks hate whites because nobody tells them racism is wrong no matter who does it.

Re:First (4, Funny)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year and a half ago | (#42008669)

We can find a desert planet, and send all the racists there.

And let them get all the spice? I don't think so!

Re:First (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42018319)

KOI 11462341 looks like the most promising of the candidates, to me at least!
(Kepler Object of Interest)

1.02 earth masses
Estimated temp = ~300K

http://archive.stsci.edu/kepler/planet_candidates.html & CTRL+F 11462341

RA DEC
19 41 09.247 +49 22 47.24
(for those with scopes, not me!)

0.54 * radius of our sun (a bit small but hardly too small)

a 42 day period - short but it's a small sun that it orbits. 42 days is not so bad.
They're not allowed to declare it yet as it has to be confirmed by a second source,
but it's been observed 15 times! even as recently as May of this year.. it's a planet...probably...

May decent beings live peacefully there, and may it be a land rich in milk and honey.

Re:First (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42009631)

Send all Jews to Jewpiter.

Re:First (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42010429)

Send all Jews to Jewpiter.

Send all the fags to Uranus.

/me shoots self

Subtlety (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42008057)

So, this is how they tell us that in fact they did found earthlike planets, but they had to sign NDAs with the aliens.

Re:Subtlety (5, Informative)

wierd_w (1375923) | about a year and a half ago | (#42008133)

More like:

OK, we discovered that planet formation is radically more common than we previously thought. When we designed the parameters of Kepler's mission, we wanted to detect large bodies because they would be easier to detect, and they would give us a statistical sampling we could use to determine how frequent planetary systems are.

We know that now. We aren't so interested in big jupiter size gas giants. They don't get the funding dollars we are looking for. So, now that kepler's initial mission objective is met, we will call it a success, and start a new mission, with tighter controls, looking exclusively for small, rocky planets in the systems we know to have really big gas giants in them.

Re:Subtlety (4, Insightful)

queazocotal (915608) | about a year and a half ago | (#42008355)

Well - sort of.
The aim of the kepler primary mission was to detect earth-like planets, in earth-like orbits, around sun-like stars.
Unfortunately, as one of the scientists working on the project pointed out, an early discovery was the sun wasn't a sun-like star.

The sun turns out to flicker rather less than most stars in the sun-like population.
This does unfortunate things when you're trying to pick the tiny, tiny signals of planets crossing the stars disks, as the noise swamps the signal.
It means that it can't be picked up in the primary mission length, and you need longer integration periods - hence the extended mission.
It's not to get more data than was intended, but to get back to the baseline that was assumed, before we realised that stars twinkle rather more than we thought.

(It will have the side-effect of picking up some planets in non-earthlike orbits that couldn't have been seen too - very tiny and very long orbit ones.)

Re:Subtlety (4, Interesting)

Shavano (2541114) | about a year and a half ago | (#42009001)

Well - sort of. The aim of the kepler primary mission was to detect earth-like planets, in earth-like orbits, around sun-like stars. Unfortunately, as one of the scientists working on the project pointed out, an early discovery was the sun wasn't a sun-like star.

The sun turns out to flicker rather less than most stars in the sun-like population. This does unfortunate things when you're trying to pick the tiny, tiny signals of planets crossing the stars disks, as the noise swamps the signal. It means that it can't be picked up in the primary mission length, and you need longer integration periods - hence the extended mission. It's not to get more data than was intended, but to get back to the baseline that was assumed, before we realised that stars twinkle rather more than we thought.

(It will have the side-effect of picking up some planets in non-earthlike orbits that couldn't have been seen too - very tiny and very long orbit ones.)

Frankly, I'm more interested in why the sun doesn't flicker as much as other stars of similar luminosity. Is it because we're not between light years worth of planetoid crossing the light path? Does space itself flicker?

Re:Subtlety (4, Interesting)

queazocotal (915608) | about a year and a half ago | (#42009211)

Current thoughts seem to be simply that the sun just happens to be one of the stars that flickers less.
Most'sun-like' stars flicker more.
Before Kepler, it wasn't really possible to measure stars brightness variation other than the sun to the levels required.

Flickering was probably a bad word to choose.
Flickering of stars as observed by the eye (or ground-based telescopes) is utterly dominated by atmospheric effects.
The phenomena Kepler is observing is brightness variations of the star on the level of seconds to hours.

As I understand it, the brightness variations between the popularion of near and far similar stars in the kepler field of view is similar.
It's unlikely to be any effect of space.

Re:Subtlety (1)

Shavano (2541114) | about a year and a half ago | (#42018915)

No, it's a perfectly good word to use. There's no reason to expect the sun to flicker like a candle. In fact, it couldn't. It's too big for that

Technically, I wouldn't call the sun's variation flicker. What's commonly referred to as "flicker noise" by people who characterize low-frequency noisy processes is noise that has spectral density proportional to 1/frequency. The sun isn't quite like that. It has dominant 1/f^2 (Brown noise) and 1/f^1/2 characteristics as explained in this paper:

http://geomorphology.geo.arizona.edu/PAPERS/pelletier_96.pdf [arizona.edu]

Over much longer time scales, it might have quite a different character, but this encompasses the timescales measured by Kepler.

Subtlety (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42008087)

So this is how they tell us that they in fact did found earthlike exoplanets, but they also had to sign NDAs with the aliens.

Impossible without a flyby (3, Insightful)

aNonnyMouseCowered (2693969) | about a year and a half ago | (#42008827)

The best that Kepler and allied planet-finding projects can do is whittle down the list of exoplanets to a candidate list of Earth-like planets. Spectral analysis might give a hint to the chemical composiition of a planet's atmosphere, but other factors might transform that planet into something worse than our worst climate-change nightmares. What we're probably looking for are planets that are easier to terraform, rather than life itself, which would be invisible to any direct imaging technique here on earth. Ironically, the SETI project probably stands a greater chance of confirming the presence of life on an extra-solar planet. Then again, that extraterrestrial transmission might come from the intelligent machines of a long extinct God-like species.

Re:Impossible without a flyby (4, Informative)

mbone (558574) | about a year and a half ago | (#42009817)

Kepler is not looking at particularly close stars, so it not likely to find any real flyby candidates, even for the century star ship time frame. The recent find at Alpha Centauri is much more encouraging in that regard.

Re:Impossible without a flyby (2)

Teancum (67324) | about a year and a half ago | (#42009843)

The one major accomplishment of the Kepler observatory is that the understanding of the frequency of planets in other stellar systems and where they will likely be found has been nailed down very well. Back when we had a data set with a sample size of one (aka just our own solar system) it was very hard to try and determine just how many stars had planetary systems of their own. it was even hypothesized that multiple star systems (by far the more common type in the universe) simply didn't even have planets. That notion has now been thrown completely out the window as stellar systems with planets are now seen as extremely common.

The fun part has yet to happen though, as planets that may be found in the "habitable zone" are just barely starting to be identified. So far most of the planets that have been identified are planets that have very short orbital periods (some as short as just a few days). Instead, as Kepler can continue its mission it will be possible to identify planets that are much,much further away and their orbital periods are on the order of years instead of weeks.

When the time comes, I expect that probes to other stars (I think it will happen eventually... even if it is centuries away from happening) will be traveling to planets that will already be well identified in terms of basic characteristics... to have at least the degree of understanding of those planets like we do a great many asteroids at the moment.

Re:Impossible without a flyby (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42018393)

Ironically, the SETI project probably stands a greater chance of confirming the presence of life on an extra-solar planet. Then again, that extraterrestrial transmission might come from the intelligent machines of a long extinct God-like species.

Not exactly. SETI uses the Kepler data as part of its target list.

And we're looking deep into the past as we look at these things. They're orbits that happened a long time ago. Maybe George Lucas knows something we don't. Maybe the machines did some genetic engineering by now and created a new Gold like species.

I'm curious about what new methods and advances to existing methods will be developed in the future to search for these planets.
For example, Kepler can only detect planets that 'transit' i.e. the angle of orbit has to be a parallel plane more or less to our perspective here on earth. Most of the time we can't even see Venus transits as we're so pressed up against the windshield and as it's so close its position relative to our view at the sun wildly fluctuates.

As advances in chromatograpy, spectroscopy, and gravity improve and instruments become more powerful, who knows what they'll find, probably not what they expect!!

God / the universe is an interesting dungeon master indeed!

It's Important (1)

drwho (4190) | about a year and a half ago | (#42009585)

- yes, I believe it is a very important task to start to measure these over the long term. We don't yet have the technology to get to these places. The data gathered now will still be useful in a couple of hundred years when we can actually launch missions to other star systems.

This is how it is done. (2)

mbone (558574) | about a year and a half ago | (#42009833)

NASA doesn't like to commit to really long missions. Get it up there, get good results, and they will then commit to extensions. (See, for example, the "3 month mission" of the MER rover Opportunity.)

Re:This is how it is done. (4, Insightful)

Immerman (2627577) | about a year and a half ago | (#42010657)

I believe the key phrase is "attainable goals". Shoot for the stuff you're fairly certain you can accomplish on your grant application - then all the really interesting stuff comes as the "added bonus". Especially good if the "easy" stuff is interesting in it's own right. It certainly looks much better under congressional review than "yeah... so we though we could accomplish X, but it turns out to be a lot harder than we expected..."

Re:This is how it is done. (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | about a year and a half ago | (#42011631)

NASA doesn't have an unlimited budget, or unlimited manpower... and that's setting aside the engineering issues involved in making complex equipment last out there where it can't be serviced. So they look at what they want to accomplish, see if it can be realistically accomplished on schedule and on budget*, and then set that as their basic goal. Then, once the basic goals are accomplished, they look at extensions.

* With the caveat that NASA is really, really bad at making accurate schedule and budget projections. (And this isn't a new thing or limited to just manned missions.)

Re:This is how it is done. (1)

Mr2cents (323101) | about a year and a half ago | (#42016817)

You are being quite subjective. Take for example the Cassini mission, launched in October 1997, primary mission ended in June 2008 (nearly 11 years). Dawn mission: launched in September 2007, primary mission ends in July 2015 (nearly 8 years). That doesn't take into account the development time. I think you'll find many scientists that are willing to commit a murder for that kind of grants.
True, many missions are fueled explicitly with expectations of extensions. and that is a perfectly logical choice: once you've done a certain amount of science, you should be able to prove the health of your instrument and be able to demonstrate that continued observations will increase the science output. This kind of audit is perfectly defensible, it reduces waste and helps to optimize the overall budget.

Advancement of scientific knowledge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42010075)

What? What?

A science dictated direction instead of a publicity-suckin- elected,-seeking-re-election, milking-it announcement, made mainly to pacify the Holy Ghosters?

OMG. What happened? Some kind of election? Did i miss it?

R. Limbaugh

The other 'nagging detail': how to get there, ever (1)

D4C5CE (578304) | about a year and a half ago | (#42010855)

There's one nagging detail, though: we are yet to find a truly Earth-like planet.

As Rod Stewart would put it: ;-) It'll be a long road, getting just there from here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3-nI1fA_fI [youtube.com]

Zefram Cochrane to the rescue? (Scheduled 2063...)

Tax dollars hard at work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42011115)

No, seriously. Most space missions operate beyond their initial design limits and continue working until they're dead.

See the Mars Exploration Rovers (Spirit & Opportunity).

George W, is that you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42020013)

Does this remind anyone else of a picture of a Navy ship with "Mission Accomplished" on it?

So it's "accomplished" but the results aren't as specific or good as what were attempted to be gathered (or done)... So that's "Accomplished", not accomplished, right?

I'm confused.

Why don't they just call it "excellent data" and "not yet finished"?

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