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Anonymous Attacks Israeli Websites In Response To IDF Operation In Gaza

timothy posted about a year ago | from the bad-juju dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "On Thursday, Anonymous reported that it took down close to 40 Israeli government and security establishment websites, although the single website that they presented as having been attacked belonged to a security and cleaning services company. The report came after Likud MK Danny Danon announced earlier in the week that his website had been taken down by a group calling itself TeaM KuWaiT HaCkErS. Danon's website had been hosting an online petition calling for the Israeli government to cut off the supply of electricity going from Israel to Gaza. " A report at Russia Today puts the number at "hundreds" of sites, instead.

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11 years ago (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012147)

I remember hearing that some guy named "Osama" claimed to have destroyed the World Trade Center. It has yet to be confirmed.

Re:11 years ago (2, Informative)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year ago | (#42012369)

The actual list of targets was pastebinned:
http://pastebin.com/Ms4nJSZx [pastebin.com]

If it's not illegal to do so, in their native countries, some might wish to join the good guys.

Re:11 years ago (3, Insightful)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#42012441)

I wouldn't mind joining the "good guys". Unfortunately, there aren't any "good guys" over there. The smart ones have moved on, to places such as Canada, or the United States, and have made lives for themselves. The good ones are dead. (only the good die young) All that's left on either side are the dumb evil bastards.

Re:11 years ago (4, Interesting)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year ago | (#42012459)

Yes. You've been their and spoken to people - on both sides.

You HAVE to ask yourself this: "From what source do I get my information, and how many levels of mediation are between me and the original source".

You will find that your experience and understanding are built upon layers of unproven trust.

Re:11 years ago (4, Insightful)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#42012647)

"Yes. You've been their and spoken to people - on both sides."

Yes, I have. You are being sarcastic, of course. You assume that I've never seen any of the mid-east. You assume that I get all my information from one or another biased big-media news source. But, I HAVE been over there. Beruit City was the most exciting and/or dangerous place that I have ever seen, with multiple armies and armed groups maneuvering in the countryside, as well as in the city. I was there before the Marines arrived to safeguard the remainder of the civilians.

Don't assume anything, my friend.

I think it's a falsified information. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012151)

I don't believe Anonymous are involved in this. It's clearly not their style.

Re:I think it's a falsified information. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012189)


Re:I think it's a falsified information. (-1, Flamebait)

xenobyte (446878) | about a year ago | (#42012197)

They have more sense than that.

After all, Israel is only defending themselves following a massive rocket bombardment.

Hamas is quickly destroying any chance of ever seeing a Palestinian state, especially one that includes East Jerusalem. A few more years of this rocket terror and UN will support that Israel gets Jerusalem as its undivided capital. Oh, and then the Al-Aqsa mosque will be torn down and Solomon's Temple re-erected in its place, marking the end of Islamic claim to the site.

Re:I think it's a falsified information. (2)

bytesex (112972) | about a year ago | (#42012219)

It's funny how your post and your sig contradict each other. /Got no stick in this fire.


Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012475)

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Re:I think it's a falsified information. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012231)

Oh, what bullshit!
Where do you get this fantastic crap?
Who wants to build Solonon's temple? A bunch of weirdos?
Stop spreding stupidity.

Re:I think it's a falsified information. (4, Insightful)

Shoten (260439) | about a year ago | (#42012243)

I don't think it's falsified...I think the issue is that Anonymous is not a singular, totally cohesive group. I absolutely think there are parts of Anonymous who are that reckless that they'd poke at Israel over this. For their sake, I hope they don't accomplish much; Israel has exactly *no* sense of humor when it comes to their own national security. There comes a time when a cyber action can provoke a kinetic response, and the Israelis won't be hampered by the need for search warrants, due process, etc.

Re:I think it's a falsified information. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012315)

Repeating for clarity: Anonymous is not a singular, totally cohesive group

It is media laziness to give name to the existential threat of unknown internet 'hackers'. Always has been. Some of them wear it like a badge and try to rally each other like a group, but to call "Anonymous" a group is like saying "goths" are a political party. (Rule 34...)

Re:I think it's a falsified information. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012267)

Oh yes defending themselves by killing children. The big bad Gaza monster. Rothschild Zionism will be the end of us all.

Re:I think it's a falsified information. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012309)

You are clueless. Hamas is the governing party in the Gaza Strip not the West Bank. What Hamas does in the Gaza Strip has no effect on the status of Jerusalem.

And as far as UN support, it has been fairly unanimous for condemning Israel. Israel is an apartheid state with separate roads for Palestinians, forced evictions and demolitions of Palestinians houses by settlers, non-statehood for residents, restrictions on international travel, and crimes against Palestinians that aren't prosecuted (like the Price Tag attacks).

The more you learn about the Palestinian limbo, the more you realize that they are remarkably peaceful despite the conditions they are in. When you are locked in a massive open air prison and have no potential to escape whatsoever for a crime you never committed, you might think lobbing a couple of rockets over the walls would be a good idea too.

Re:I think it's a falsified information. (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#42012487)

I can imagine that retards just might think it's a good idea to lob a few rockets.

The thing is, the Palestinians have shit for weaponry. They know that Israel has the best of weaponry. The Palestinians can't reach, let alone hit, many of the "best" targets in Israel, but they know that Israel can reach ALL of Gaze, easily and accurately.

The Pals gained a lot of worldwide sympathy with those moronic flotillas. And, here they squander much of that sympathy by attacking Israel in some hopeless gamble.

Once again, I say the world just butts out of the whole mess, and allow the two sides to kill each other off. Winner takes all.

Re:Yes, massive indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012345)

If by 'massive' you mean less than the amount of fireworks a 5-year old lights up on the 4th of july then i tend to agree with you.

Re:I think it's a falsified information. (2, Insightful)

Internetuser1248 (1787630) | about a year ago | (#42012353)

Israel is only defending themselves following a massive rocket bombardment.

Ok let's pretend when two sides are firing rockets at each other continuously for many years, that the much larger, richer and better armed side can be referred to as 'defending itself'.

Given that assumption, explain how air strikes and shelling are intended to resolve the situation.

Re:I think it's a falsified information. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012535)

Nice. Now let's 'pretend' that in a given period of years, there is relative peace with no rockets fired, then one side fires indiscriminately into the other. Let's call them the aggressors. Then the non-aggressors fire superior (and better-targeted) rockets into strategic locations only. But you're right, the moral high ground rests solely with the aggressors.

Re:I think it's a falsified information. (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about a year ago | (#42012545)

Given that assumption, explain how air strikes and shelling are intended to resolve the situation.

america and most of the west LOVES the notion of revenge or payback.

its not defense any more than attacking iraq OR afghanistan was 'defense'. the act was already done, retaliation is not 'defense'.

its a saving of face, but its not 'defense'.

but what does that matter? if you are struck, are you going full-jesus and turning the other cheek? really? even when being attacked with missles?

fuck that. attack me with missles and you get the same (or more, if I'm able) right back atcha.

stop the missiles coming my way and I'll stop them going back your way.

but I won't lie and say that its defense. its payback. and its what primitive culture understand. sadly, it seems the only thing they understand.

Re:I think it's a falsified information. (2)

slashmydots (2189826) | about a year ago | (#42012373)

Exactly! They're a bunch of hot-headed, murderous asshole terrorists who DO NOT want peace ever and Anonymous is siding with them? What a bunch of bullshit.

Re:I think it's a falsified information. (3, Funny)

PPH (736903) | about a year ago | (#42012223)

Well then, I suggest we take this up with Anonymous' executive committee on foreign relations.

Re:I think it's a falsified information. (4, Funny)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about a year ago | (#42012401)

we're waiting, but its still naptime.

as soon as he wakes up and has his milk, he'll call us back.

Re:I think it's a falsified information. (2)

DaveAtFraud (460127) | about a year ago | (#42012265)

Mossad will probably convince them that it's not a good idea. Mossad is known for not "playing nice" when anything or anyone actually threatens Israel.


people on internet DDoS websites due to a thing (5, Insightful)

Trepidity (597) | about a year ago | (#42012161)

Slashdot seems to love reporting this recurring story, I guess because you can write it with mad-libs...

Re:people on internet DDoS websites due to a thing (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | about a year ago | (#42012419)

Slashdot seems to love reporting this recurring story, I guess because you can write it with mad-libs...


Do some real hacking (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012167)

When they hack or rocket launcher or a drone, then I'll be impressed.

More Links (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012169)


From anonymous web site: http://anonnews.org/press/item/1885/

Bad juju? (1, Troll)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#42012173)

"Danon's website had been hosting an online petition calling for the Israeli government to cut off the supply of electricity going from Israel to Gaza" ... yeah, shut it down.

I don't know how to solve the problem in the region, but it's a problem that was deliberately created by creating the nation of Israel smack dab in the middle of everyone that hated them and everyone that they hated. It's past time to do something. It's too late to turn back the clock, which is unfortunate, because not doing it in the first place would clearly have been the best solution.

Israel's blockade of the strip is probably illegal, and the only people who can stop them won't because they have too much to gain by maintaining the status quo. Keeping that region in a condition of endless war keeps all of those people busy.

Re:Bad juju? (5, Insightful)

Sun (104778) | about a year ago | (#42012329)

I will give you a few simple ways to know whether your point on view on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is incorrect:

  1. If you think you can spot a clear villain, you are wrong
  2. If you have a simple solution, you are wrong
  3. If you think that Israel should do (or stop doing) something and the Palestinian should do (or stop doing) something, then you are probably right, but also out of touch with what is possible to achieve

I'll illustrate with an example:

I don't know how to solve the problem in the region, but it's a problem that was deliberately created by creating the nation of Israel smack dab in the middle of everyone that hated them and everyone that they hated.

Deliberately by whom? Also, the great opposition to the Zionist movement started a (relatively) long time after Jews started immigrating to (then) Palestine.

It's past time to do something.

Right. Because, obviously, there is a solution. You can't think of one, but there must be something that can be done that is better than what is currently being done, right? I mean, none of the leaders could think of anything, and not one "expert" on the subject offers anything that has not been tried before and failed, but drinkypoo says that something can be done, so it must be true.

It's too late to turn back the clock, which is unfortunate, because not doing it in the first place would clearly have been the best solution.

Really? My mother's mother, and her brother and sisters, that left Germany between 1930 and 1936, beg to differ.

Israel's blockade of the strip is probably illegal,

International law seems to disagree with you on that point.

and the only people who can stop them won't because they have too much to gain by maintaining the status quo. Keeping that region in a condition of endless war keeps all of those people busy.

The only people I can think of who can stop this without causing even more bloodshed are Hamas leadership (proof: The west bank's leaders decided to mind their own business, and are experiencing both more freedom and more economic prosperity, despite the fact that, unlike the Gaza strip, Israel still occupies that region). While I suspect that the motives you claim for why they do that are, more or less, correct, I somehow doubt that's who you meant.


Re:Bad juju? - FALSE. THERE IS 100% A VILLAIN. (5, Insightful)

mumblestheclown (569987) | about a year ago | (#42012471)

I'm sorry. There is a very clear villain and I am not wrong. The villain is extremist religionists on ALL sides who (to paraphrase Christopher Hitchens, who made this argument far better than I ever could) poison the dialogue with their absolutist demands which they back up using the force of their chosen celestial sky wizard and his holy books.

The vast vast vast majority of people on both sides favor a two state solution. the US wants this too, as does virtually everybody else. its the obvious answer. why dosen't it happen?

because of people who think that whose first accountability is to some god, not their fellow man.

they are the villians in this drama. no ands, ifs, or buts.

It's quite simple really (-1, Troll)

arcite (661011) | about a year ago | (#42012481)

When enough Israeli's quit succumbing to the psychology of victim's complex (or martyr's complex), they will have peace.

Re:It's quite simple really (2)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about a year ago | (#42012681)

(laughing at you)

oh wait, you are serious? the israelis just have to WISH for peace?

those warmongers! how dare they stand in the way of those peaceful arabs.

they should do as the arabs say and just lie down and be killed. peacefully

Re:Bad juju? (2)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#42012547)

My solution is pretty simple. Tell me how wrong it is:

Everyone in the frigging world just shuts up, sits down, and watches. Let the two antagonists go at each other. We don't supply arms, we don't supply medical supplies, we don't supply intelligence, we don't supply ANYTHING. We all just shut the fuck up, and watch.

Winner takes all. Or, the winner dictates terms to the loser, which would probably be the same thing.

Massive casualties? Sure - but the massive casualties will total less than another century or two of intermittent warfare. Let them get the business of establishing ownership over with now!

Re:Bad juju? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012357)

All of that is true, but it seems to me that Israel's enemies don't recognize its right to exist. So regardless of all this other silly stuff going on there is a fundamental disagreement that simply cannot be resolved.

Re:Bad juju? (0, Flamebait)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year ago | (#42012439)

Nobody hated Jews in Palestine, until a bunch of Polish and Russian pricks, calling themselves "Hebrew" camped their little racist state on the coast, in the middle of the last century.

This argument of "thousands of years intractable mutual hostility" is an ahistorical falsehood. It originated in the Zionist camp - as it succeeds in planting the assumption that Palestine is a historical home to these people.

The Jews and Israelites of the Bible are still in Palestine. That much is true. It is just that their ancestors are mostly Muslim and Christian, now. They are called Palestinians, and were largely Arabised, in late Roman times. Hebrew hasn't been their language since the conquest of Babylon, by Cyrus the great, when Aramaic came to the fore, and never fully gave ground to either Greek or Latin.

Re:Bad juju? (2, Interesting)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#42012515)

Maybe illegal - but a lot of crazy shit becomes legal in a warzone.

Odd though, that Hamas suddenly has a lot of longer-ranged missiles, after those flotillas were allowed through.

If I were an Israeli naval officer, those flotillas would have been sunk, and no survivors picked up. Israelis are pretty soft hearted sometiems, like when world opinion is against them.

I say, "Screw world opinion, we've got a war going on here!"

Re:Bad juju? (1)

Alien Being (18488) | about a year ago | (#42012593)

Yes, we know that the Jews are hated. That's why they lost Israel in the first place. The creation of modern Israel was absolutely the right thing to do. How many more centuries should Jews have been kept from their homeland? Israel and Judaism existed since well before Islam or Christianity. It's (some) followers of those two newer faiths that have attempted, time and time again, to deny Jews or their rights.

Every time Israel makes concessions to its neighbors, it is repaid with military and terrorist attacks. Gaza is represented by Hamas which both the US and EU classify as a terrorist organization. The Palestinians chose their path and they will have to deal with the consequences. They will lose the Gaza strip.

this is really sad. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012175)

I wish hamas would stop firing rockets. israel is going to be forced to obliterate a lot of shit

Re:this is really sad. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012235)

I wish they'd keep firing rockets for the same reason.

Re:this is really sad. (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about a year ago | (#42012291)

Won't be long until a Zionist builds a better, guided rocket, launches it from near Gaza and obliterates the dome of the rock. They are just waiting for the first large warhead rocket to fly out of Gaza (for plausible cover).

I will laugh my ass off.

Anybody got a link to the petition? Normally I don't bother.

Re:this is really sad. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012483)

Won't be long until a Zionist builds a better, guided rocket, launches it from near Gaza and obliterates the dome of the rock. They are just waiting for the first large warhead rocket to fly out of Gaza (for plausible cover).

I will laugh my ass off.

Anybody got a link to the petition? Normally I don't bother.

Don't be brainless. If Zionists even threatened attacking Islamic holy sites, it would set off a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. Would you be laughing your ass off then?

Re:this is really sad. (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about a year ago | (#42012551)

Moron: Obviously the story would be that an errant pali rocket hit the dome. Too bad so sad. No they will not be allowed to rebuild, at least until the conflict is finally resolved.

As to 'Islamic holy sites' it is SOP for muslims to claim all churches etc as 'Islamic holy sites' immediately after completing their military conquest. They got over spain, they will get over Jerusalem.

Re:this is really sad. (1)

PPH (736903) | about a year ago | (#42012257)

Yeah. If Hamas wants to get clobbered (for world sympathy) they would be better off trying to bring in a ship load of clothing and baby formula. Israel will blow the crap out of the ship, but no bystanders in Gaza will become collateral damage,

Re:this is really sad. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012361)

I wish hamas would stop firing rockets. israel is going to be forced to obliterate a lot of shit

With all of the technology in the world couldn't the west use rocket barrages as an excuse for real world development and testing of new anti-missle technologies?

If you shoot all the rockets down nobody gets hurt and parties either have space to pick their noses or pretend to care about peace.

Re:this is really sad. (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about a year ago | (#42012581)

Interceptors are expensive and unreliable.

Laser guided bombs at the launch sites are a much better idea.

The Israelis are doing both.

Consider an old school fight. Even if you can block every blow your opponent throws the fight is not over until you knock him on his ass. It also gives him reason to think next time.

Re:this is really sad. (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#42012611)

It's already being done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roReCA95Vl4 [youtube.com]

Not to mention, they have some awesome gun systems that will intercept targets as small as a 50 mm mortar round. I was given a link to a video of that thing in action, but I've lost it since then. It's sort of comparable to the US Navy's close in defense guns, but much more sensitive, and very very accurate.

Re:this is really sad. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012393)

Yeah, and I wish Israel would end its blockade, give the Palestinians a right to statehood, evacuate the settlements, and respect Palestinian borders so the Palestinians didn't have to fight for their own self-determination. While Israel continues its policies, Palestine will continue to be a shithole of poverty with people who can't legitimately complain to anyone because they don't have a state and the UN doesn't recognize them. Israel reaps what it sows.

Should be interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012179)

Uh oh. Wrong people to attack! Israel will have no qualms about going after these arm chair activists and laying the hurt on. Should be fun to watch. I predict a bunch of 15-25 year old guys looking like deer in the headlights as they are led out of their house by the police.

Re:Should be interesting (1)

PPH (736903) | about a year ago | (#42012201)

Not if they are outside Israel. And if its done by the local police, it will get no more emphasis than any other hacker takedown. So the locals don't come across looking like puppets of the Mossad.

Re:Should be interesting (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about a year ago | (#42012321)

Are you _sure_ your computer/monitor can't be made to catch fire with software? Anything you do in sight of your webcam you would rather not have posted?

Did anyone notice: (5, Interesting)

arthurpaliden (939626) | about a year ago | (#42012185)

You notice that the rocket attacks on Israel increased as the chances of Assad winning in Syria decreased. Almost like someone wanted to get Syria off the front page.

Re:Did anyone notice: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012199)

I noticed that the rocket attacks on Israel increased as Barrak Hussein became the president of the USA again.

Don't overdo associations... (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | about a year ago | (#42012211)

Don't overdo associations...

For example, from a few minutes ago: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20375395 [bbc.co.uk]

"Fifty children aged four to six years old and the driver of the school bus they were on were killed when their vehicle was hit by a train in central Egypt on Saturday, officials said."

Hmmm... Who ran that train? Hmmm... Maybe an Israeli soldier or an Assad ally? Hmmmm...

No. Don't overdo associations. Shit happens in the Middle East anyhow.

Re:Don't overdo associations... (1)

Sun (104778) | about a year ago | (#42012347)

A word of advice. This is slashdot on a subject usually causing heated discussions. Use the <sarcasm> tag or risk the consequences of people who don't stop to think.


Assad is going to attack Israel (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | about a year ago | (#42012325)

just like Hussein did from Iraq in the first Gulf War

it changes the subject in people's minds: "it's not about Assad, it's about Israel"

Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel... obsession.

Am I the only person left on the planet who just doesn't care that much about Israel, for or against?

Re:Assad is going to attack Israel (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012341)


Re:Assad is going to attack Israel (2)

Zocalo (252965) | about a year ago | (#42012513)

I'm sure that Assad attacking Israel would work out brilliantly. Assad's government has been unable to put down (an accurate description, I'd say) a civil war that has been raging for over 18 months now, so you are suggesting he divert military resources from trying to do that to open a second front against Israel? Avoiding some rather obvious parallels about second fronts, that didn't work out too well for Syria the last time [wikipedia.org] they tried it, and that was with the assistance of Egypt (then the UAR) and Jordan. Not to mention the obvious excuse it would give some nations just itching to get much more overtly involved in Syria's internal struggles the "justification" they need to do so, despite the risk of igniting the whole of the Middle East when Iran et al inevitably get involved as well.

Re:Did anyone notice: (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012381)

You're so right, it has nothing to do with Israel's ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestine. The people of Gaza are just a bunch of stooges who have an irrational hatred of Jews and would otherwise harbor no ill will towards Israel for blockading their territory for the last 45 years while spending 40 years of that attempting to establish Jewish-only colonies on land confiscated by the IDF, or for spending the last 60 years refusing to allow half of the population to return to their own homes inside of what is now Israel. It all just goes to prove that the Palestinians are simply untermenschen that hate Jews more than they love their own children.

Re:Did anyone notice: (1)

gtall (79522) | about a year ago | (#42012497)

Except that Hamas has sided with the rebels in Syria, they be closer in what passes for Islamic philosophy than Assad's eclectic mix of Alawites, Christians, Druze, etc. On the other hand, Iran, which does back Syria, also backs Hamas. Also, Hamas has been taking flack from more radical groups on the Gaza strip for not doing more to provoke Israel.

I think that latter was probably the biggest influence except for....the Muslim Brotherhood took over in Egypt. They aren't going anywhere even if the people vote them out in the next election (they'll simply deny the election was fair and as proof they'll say "because we lost"). So Hamas figures that now is the time to kill off the Israeli-Egypt peace accord. By creating a war that the MB must back, they'll tear that accord to shreds even if it still exists in name only. It was merely a bold, calculated move by Hamas to take another swipe at Israel. And the MB will be dumb enough to not understand they've been trolled.

What did Anonymous do about Hamas rocket attacks? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012191)

I don't pretend to be an expert in this, but my understanding just from reading the news is that the Israelis struck Gaza because of continued rocket attacks being randomly launched into Israel. The Israelis say that in 2011 alone, at least 630 rockets were launched from Gaza. That's an average of almost two a day. Did Anonymous have anything to say about that?

Just wondering.

Re:What did Anonymous do about Hamas rocket attack (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012261)

I'm no expert either, but Uri Avnery's latest article on that topic sounds quite interesting.
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1353080494/ [gush-shalom.org]

Re:What did Anonymous do about Hamas rocket attack (2)

Johann Lau (1040920) | about a year ago | (#42012613)

As Lapid volunteered on live television: "Hamas is an anti-Semitic terrorist organization and must be crushed."

Quoted as if that's a terribly hawkish thing to say?

http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm [mideastweb.org]

^ Search that text for both "jew" and "zion" just to get you started. Here's just a random snippet -- if you think I'm quoting out of context, well... feel free to find me something better, that explains stuff like this away :/

In their Nazi treatment, the Jews made no exception for women or children. Their policy of striking fear in the heart is meant for all. They attack people where their breadwinning is concerned, extorting their money and threatening their honour. They deal with people as if they were the worst war criminals. Deportation from the homeland is a kind of murder.

To counter these deeds, it is necessary that social mutual responsibility should prevail among the people. The enemy should be faced by the people as a single body which if one member of it should complain, the rest of the body would respond by feeling the same pains.

The way I read that:

The Jews kill women and children, so let's just fire rockets at Isreal without discrimination. Let's attack school buses even! It's just Jews, it's not bad when you do it to *them*. Some gibberish about the greedy, honourless Jew, then kinda implying they're murderers even when they don't murder, (so they can be murdered in response to that, I guess).

The solution: Let's be fascists ya'll. One for all, and all against the Jews.

Was that being polemic? Or am I just paying attention? You tell me. One thing is sure, that Charter surely obsesses about Islam, Zionism and Jews. So if they're an anti-semitic terrorist organization, doesn't seem crushing them like, uhh, the best alternative? What would you do instead, talk to them real nice?

None of this justifies actions by Israel that aren't okay; I'm just saying, wtf. If you're gonna pretend that other bunch of backwards assholes are just fine, then you have just as big a problem.

Re:What did Anonymous do about Hamas rocket attack (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012269)

The response isn't proportionate. It includes civilians, and isn't narrow in terms of objective, an exit plan, or scope. It isn't clearly explained to the civilians. I am not sure that these are Hamas rockets, rather than disgruntled individuals, and they waited a long time between being attacked and the response, right near an Israeli election, which is suspicious timing, esp. for the propagandists.

Re:What did Anonymous do about Hamas rocket attack (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about a year ago | (#42012375)

If someone attacks from behind a group of civilians it is on them when the civilians get killed. Using civilians are human shields is a war crime. Killing a combatant who is using civilian human shields is NOT a war crime (even if the civilians are smegged in the attack).

If I were a pali and I saw a missile battery going up in a gradeschool playground, I'd get my kid out of the area (at the very least). They're call.

anonymous == terrorist (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012245)

I believe that this stance has made them show that they are a terrorist group. Instead of resulting to civil venues to express their cause, they are inflicting web terror to prove their point.

Anonymous (4, Insightful)

dskoll (99328) | about a year ago | (#42012247)

Anonymous are a bunch of losers. They just want to revel in the limelight and taking the Palestinian side against Israel happens to be cool among leftists, anarchists, and other spoiled children with too much time and money and not enough wisdom.

The best approach to anonymous is to ignore them. If they don't get the attention they seek, they'll go back to wanking off to online porn in their moms' basements.

Re:Anonymous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012363)

"leftists, anarchists, and other spoiled children with too much time and money and not enough wisdom."


"Anyone who disagrees with me is a stupid head"

I think people like you never actually grew up.

Re:Anonymous (4, Informative)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about a year ago | (#42012379)


really? or are you in parrot-what-the-talking-head says mode?

no leftists are in favor of the combined arab aggression that wishes israel off the map (more accurately, all jews dead).

left leaning people support democracy and its core principles. the israelis are the ONLY ones in that entire region that have any similarity to our western ways of thought and our world views.

get fucking real and stop the paroting of bullshit talking points.

you may not agree with all that israel does, but you cannot seriously take the arab view that 'death to isreal' is at all a valid thing to have as a goal.

anyone who takes that point, even a little, is to be dismissed.

Re:Anonymous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012485)

no leftists are in favor of the combined arab aggression that wishes israel off the map (more accurately, all jews dead).

KPFA [kpfa.org]

Just listen to their feed for a while, especially during the afternoon Pacific time. I call it "radio Hamas", and then when people say, "what do you mean?" and then when I say "KPFA" they either look puzzled because they don't know, or get angry if they're on that side. I've even coined a term for this, although it hasn't caught on: NASLs, Neo Anti-Semitic Leftists.

Now, KPFA won't come out and say they want all the Jews dead. They know they'd lose all their useful idiot donors that aren't cool with that. They just always show the Palestinian side, or occasionally hose somebody who says something that steps over the line, and disclaim it if it causes too much trouble.

Anyway, spend some time around real hotbeds of leftists/anarchists, and you're never very far from the "blame the Jews" crowd that's fashionable again after all these years.

Re:Anonymous (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012569)

I am an Anarchist. I've heard nothing close to "blame the jews", but a fair bit of "blame Israel". These are not the same things. I know supporters of Israel love to play the anti-semitism card, where anyone who disagrees with them must therefore hate all Jews, but it's just bullshit. Anyone who starts talking to me or my friends about Zionists doing such-and-such is put under a very close lense because that's where the Nazis and other nutcases like to hide.

I know a lot of people are stupid enough to fall for that, but there are those who aren't.

Although I did like your implication that Anarchists support a deeply nasty authoritarian organisation like Hamas. That gave me a chuckle.

Re:Anonymous (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about a year ago | (#42012617)

Anti-capitalism/marxism _started_ as thinly veiled antisemitism. This is nothing new.

Carl Marx wrote a book 'On the Jewish Problem' that came very close to advocating genocide.

Re:Anonymous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012687)

No leftists? I think you are really out of touch with politics or something. The leftists in the PIIGS zone of Europe support the terrorist movement, train terrorists in their countries, send ships to Gaza, send money and goods to them, print anti-semitic jokes in (important) newspapers, and laugh whenever they make Israel spend millions on dollars to protect themselves from bombs that cost them just a bunch of dollars. The parent poster described them perfectly, but I would add they are hedonists, violent, with a severely distorted view of how the world works; They see themselves as the paradigm of good, and yet they're constantly attacking each other moved by selfish interests and envy. The closest equivalent to them in USA is the Occupy Wall Street movement, and yet isn't remotely close to the horror that this social group is.

If you want a first-hand example of that scum, visit http://meneame.net, which is a Digg clone that everyday posts trash from leftist, pro-terrorist, (marxist) atheist, conspirationists, and anarchist sites (in spanish), as the other news gets censored by their users.

Re:Anonymous (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about a year ago | (#42012385)

Amen to all-o-that :-) If one of them stopped at Wikipedia for 10 seconds, they probably wouldn't be siding with Hamas.

Re:Anonymous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012391)

Anyone can blame anything on Anonymous. It's already a pretty common phenomenon.

Re:Anonymous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012405)

The best approach to anonymous is to ignore them. If they don't get the attention they seek, they'll go back to wanking off to online porn in their moms' basements.

That might work if only the two were mutually exclusive.
Seriously though, "groups" like Anon have no business taking sides in a conflict that is a lot more complicated than they realize and has been going on far longer than they've been alive.

Re:Anonymous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012435)

"Seriously though, "groups" like Anon have no business taking sides in a conflict that is a lot more complicated than they realize and has been going on far longer than they've been alive."

Doesn't that apply to everyone involved in this?

Fuck'em let the assholes kill each other. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012457)

...taking the Palestinian side against Israel happens to be cool among leftists, anarchists, and other spoiled children with too much time and money and not enough wisdom.

And taking Israel's side is a wiser choice because ....?

Isn't Israel the ones who are stealing land and building "settlements" on that land? And where there is a chance for peace, isn't it the "Settlers" who start something because they don't want to give up the land they stole? Actually, it was the IDF who steals it under the guise of "security".

See, this is the way I see it: you have two groups of people who want the same piece of land. One group did a marvelous job of playing off World powers and sucked them into what basically amounts to a pathetic, self righteous, piss-ant little local conflict.

We in the West should let these pathetic little people kill one another off and we should keep our noses out of it.

Lastly, anyone who thinks Israel is some sort of innocent victim here is a moron. If Israel really wanted peace, all they have to do is pull those squat...Settlers out, move the borders back to where they were in 1967, and give the Palestinians their own state.

And all the bullshit being said about Israel's destruction is just that bullshit. That's just rhetoric from some folks who have no skin in this conflict - like Iran - who want to just stir shit up and and in the process give Israel more power in the propaganda battle.

Re:Fuck'em let the assholes kill each other. (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about a year ago | (#42012649)

The Israelis were attacked in 1967. The Arabs lost. They need to get over it. They won't get all that land back. Israel will maintain better defensible borders and will not give up _any_ of Jerusalem (their capital city).

Should Germany get back the parts of Poland and France they lost in 1945? Same issue.

Re:Anonymous (1)

ilsaloving (1534307) | about a year ago | (#42012561)

I almost agree with you, but you just had to add that whole 'leftist, anarchists and other spoiled children' thing.

In one move, you took an argument that I think virtually everyone would agree with, and made yourself look like a brainless Fox News addled idiot instead.

Well done! Excellent illustration of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

Re:Anonymous (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012619)

What about the western Rabbis who protest against Israel's actions? Are they antisemitic losers? Or some other playground insult?

Do you deny that Israel has been expanding into Palestinian land ever since it was originally created? Do you think that the Israelis should act surprised when that empowers religious nutcases and violence ensues?

The people who shit all over other people about "wisdom" very rarely have any.

Re:Anonymous (1)

Zocalo (252965) | about a year ago | (#42012621)

I don't think the degree of an individual's political leaning to the left or right has much to do with how they feel about the situation in Israel, but I do agree that this is absolutely attention seeking by Anonymous (or more likely an Anti-Semite subset thereof), and pretty uninformed attention seeking at that, which is probably doing their overall "cause", such as it is, far more harm than good. I'm expecting some visible signs of a schism within the ranks of Anonymous over this before the day is out.

Not because of the military actions... (1, Interesting)

SilenceBE (1439827) | about a year ago | (#42012251)

I was under the impression it had something to do with the possible Internet blockade

But when the government of Israel publicly threatened to sever all Internet and other telecommunications into and out of Gaza they crossed a line in the sand.

http://www.anonpaste.me/anonpaste2/index.php?0c3787b9e504b257#4vuPTzmEXo9+uyq78aSSgvqJgb1nV5DwOZXdau60ajQ= [anonpaste.me]

If I read the source they try to spin as this has something to do with the military actions which isn't really the case. I kinda hate this kind of propaganda to be honest.

Why just Israeli sites? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012253)

Ok so I get the fact that Anonymous doesn't like Israel's response to Hamas's deliberate and repeated rocketing and shelling of Israeli civilians. But I think if Anonymous had their moral compass straight they'd be bringing down Hamas's websites as well as the web sites of any groups that are helping them. Israel isn't the only one killing people here and there is equally shared fault between Israel and Hamas for the continued escalation.

Did Israel even threaten to cut off the internet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012275)

I can't find any evidence that Israel even threatened this or actually did. Thats the reason that 'Anonymous' claim is why they attacked.

It seems that Hamas has taken over Anonymous, because you know, anyone can be 'Anonymous' and used their naive followers as a weapon. Take that @IDFSpokesperson, taking over Anonymous one ups your Twitter account!

Anonymous should not mess with Isreal (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012295)

Look, I post as a Anonymous Coward.

Anyway, Israel after many centuries of taking it laying down, has through evolution garnered a species that has decided to just fuck you if you want to kill them. Obviously since religion(hamas, muslum, whatever) abhors evolution, and only sees divine information as reality, this war will continue. I hope that evolution wins. Don't tell me what is right or wrong, I just want science to win here.

Re:Anonymous should not mess with Isreal (1)

Infernal Device (865066) | about a year ago | (#42012383)

Actually, after that period about 2000 years ago, Israel did not exist as a state until 1948 or so, when the UN (mainly the British and the Americans) forcibly set up a new Israel because none of the major countries wanted an influx of Jewish refugees. It played into the hands of the Zionists of the time, who were keen on setting up a new religious state on their prior home ground, and gathered support from Christians all over the place who were all agog over the messianic revelations in The Bible.

To say that the founding of the new Israeli state was anything but a religious and political clusterfuck of epic proportions is to just be in denial.

What we have now is an even bigger mess, because once Israel beats the crap out of it's neighbors (and it will eventually, for better or worse), they'll turn inward and start beating the crap out of each other in a bout of sectarian warfare that will make the current fight seem like a sandbox rumble.

Re:Anonymous should not mess with Isreal (3, Interesting)

gtall (79522) | about a year ago | (#42012539)

The British and the Americans did not forcibly set up a new Israel, the Israelis did that all by themselves. What really cemented their country was beating 5 Arab armies. After that, there was no stopping them. And Truman had to be dragged into supporting an Israel in the U.N. Also, Russia continued their anti-Jewish policies and many Jews left Russia for Israel. And they were well-educated Jews, that made for a much stronger Israel.

After the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was made a Gruppen-Fuhrer in Hilter's Reich, the Arabs and Palestinians could kiss any support for their side goodbye.

Re:Anonymous should not mess with Isreal (2, Informative)

HornWumpus (783565) | about a year ago | (#42012657)

When did 'Palestine' exist as an independent state? They are Jordanians.

In before the hawks. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012331)

Yes, Israel is under constant threat of annihilation. It is the most experienced & advanced force in the ME so they better respond to every existential threat with a thousandfold in violence or else they'll be dead. 21 people killed in Israel in 11 years.

Let me repeat that: 21 killed by hamas, in 11 years.

Your chances of dying browsing /. while sitting in your boxers eating fried chicken is infinitely greater. Don't let any religious or political argument mislead you into thinking that oppression is not the reason for the current situtation.

Re:In before the hawks. (2)

HornWumpus (783565) | about a year ago | (#42012667)

So your fine with me routinely sending 30/06 rounds through your house so long as I don't hit many members of your family?

What? You'd do something about it? Hypocrite.

Wow, they took down websites (1)

dugancent (2616577) | about a year ago | (#42012403)

Clearly Israel will lose now! What they are doing is the eqilivent of vanaliIng a bathroom at wal-mart and acting like the company is going down because of it.

My AC analysis (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012409)

Anonymous is probably not. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Anonymous is an clandestine arm of a large first world government security agency. Regardless, by acting as a "good guy" who challenges the "system", Anonymous then becomes an attractive Honeypot from which to monitor and possibly ensnare "real threats" to "democracy".


ilsaloving (1534307) | about a year ago | (#42012525)

So anonymous took down a bunch of websites. Even as a nerd, I'm trying to figure out what part of this news actually matters.

Israel is pasting Palestine into a bloody smear, so anonymous takes down some of their websites. Oooooooh! I'm bet they're reeeeal scaaaaared now! Thanks to anonymous' DDOS, the war is going to stop! (Preemptive Whoosh here for those who couldn't figure out that the above was sarcasm.)

If they manage to do what they did with that law firm whose name I've already forgotten (during the DDOS they managed to steal a great deal of very incriminating documents, which ultimately destroyed the company), then that would be something.

Taking down an Israeli website? Big whoop. What next? Putting a paper bag full of dog crap by the front door of some Israeli person, setting it on fire, and ringing the doorbell?

rockets? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42012559)

I'm seeing much mentioning of rockets. Can anyone explain what kind of rockets are coming from Gaza? I was always under the impression that Gaza didn't have anything that menacing.
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