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Just In Time for the Holidays, Nintendo Wii U Gets Its US Release

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the newfangled-and-shiny dept.

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YokimaSun writes "Nintendo has today fired the first salvo in the next-gen console wars with the U.S. release of their Wii U console, which is massively more powerful than the Nintendo Wii and also the PS3/Xbox 360 (so they claim). Yet again Nintendo has done a world first and released a gamepad which is also a tablet and should provide us with games that stretch the boundaries even more. Wii games are compatible with the console, as is the Wii remote. The Wii U comes in 2 SKUs: a 32GB Deluxe package, and an 8GB Basics pack. The games lineup is a strong one, with games such as New Super Mario Bros U, Arkham City Armoured Edition, Assassins Creed 3, Call of Duty Black Ops 2, Sonic AllStars Racing, Nintendo Land, Tank Tank Tank, ScribbleNauts Unlimited, Epic Mickey 2 The Power of Two, ESPN Sports Connection, DarkSiders 2, Rabbids Land, Mass Effect 3, Ninja Gaiden 3 Razors Edge, Tekken Tag Tournament 2, Wipeout 3 and Just Dance 4 all available on launch day."

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Just in time for the holidays. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42016877)

Are you implying it a coincidence? It was certainly targeted at the holidays.

Re:Just in time for the holidays. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017327)

I'm trying to determine how anyone could read that as implying coincidence.

Re:Just in time for the holidays. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017691)

No shit? The stipulation is sometimes these things miss their target dates.

I hope it does well (4, Insightful)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 2 years ago | (#42016887)

Some people have been suggesting that Nintendo might pull out of the hardware (at least non-portable console) market entirely if the Wii U doesn't go over well. I am one who would very much not want to see that. Hopefully this console goes over well, even if it doesn't make the grand entrance that we saw with the original Wii.

And yes, I do still play my original Wii. I even bought a new game for it this week.

Re:I hope it does well (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42016923)

I always pull out of the hardware, if you don't then the spunk just short circuits everything.

Still!? Really!? (1)

iYk6 (1425255) | about 2 years ago | (#42016935)

What do you mean you still play your Wii? Wii is a current gen console. At least, it was yesterday.

Re:Still!? Really!? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017101)

Wii is barely a current gen console. It's a gamecube with a motion controller and white case.

Re:Still!? Really!? (5, Funny)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | about 2 years ago | (#42017151)

I thought it was two GameCubes, duct-taped together? Now I'm confused.

Re:Still!? Really!? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017577)

the wii devkit looks exactly like this

Re:Still!? Really!? (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 2 years ago | (#42017777)

Regardless of Troll and Funny moderation together (and with some change of expression) you two would be quite correct.

The obvious advantage of that was of course that Nintendos home consoles sold fewer and fewer units with each generation and this way I assume it become a profitable business for them whereas if they had spent more money into creating it and sold something more advanced who knows.

But I too think a HDMI output for say 2D-games could had been nice (but then maybe the developers would try to put all titles in HD just to make it sound good with inferior results.)

If it was more powerful maybe it would had been seen as more relevant today but I guess this work to. At least it will play your old library to so :)

Re:Still!? Really!? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017171)

That is good, since modern PCs are just a 486 with a video card and a black case.

Clocked only 50% higher (2)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#42018501)

In the i486 era, most PCs were clocked no higher than about 75 MHz. Clock rates are about 40 times faster than that by now (with no compensating horrid loss in IPC). Wii, on the other hand, is clocked only 50% faster than a GameCube, and it has just over twice the RAM. So when people say a Wii is an overclocked GameCube with a Bluetooth motion controller, that's what they mean.

Re:Still!? Really!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017443)

Mine is black...

Re:Still!? Really!? (2)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about 2 years ago | (#42018235)

And yet it won the console race.

Re:Still!? Really!? (1)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | about 2 years ago | (#42017129)

My Wii has been stored in a closet for 2 years. It sits on top of my PS2 next to my Gamecube. The Wii U is a current gen console. The Wii is last gen and has been for awhile now.

Re:Still!? Really!? (4, Insightful)

Toonol (1057698) | about 2 years ago | (#42017553)

My Wii is hooked up to the TV, right next to the PS2.

Consoles don't get worse over time. There are games for the PS2 that you haven't yet played that are better than most anything on the 360.

Consoles get worse over time (3, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#42018507)

Consoles don't get worse over time.

Any user of Other OS Installer for PlayStation 3 would like a word with you. So would anyone who can't play online with strangers due to DNAS -103 errors or the termination of Xbox Live service for original Xbox games.

Re:Still!? Really!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017209)

There are quite a few people who bought a Wii and then lost interest, possibly because of moving on to another console. Then there are fanboys who exaggerate this and make claims that no one plays a Wii anymore... because they are threatened by others enjoying different things or something. Anyway, it makes people who still use their Wii console into this mythical beast.

Re:Still!? Really!? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017273)

What do you mean you still play your Wii? Wii is a current gen console. At least, it was yesterday.

if you ignore the obvious target market diff and subscribe to purely technical prowess expected of current consoles and pcs, there are 3 words to explain its perceived backwardness:
No HD out.

Re:I hope it does well (2)

Dripdry (1062282) | about 2 years ago | (#42016991)

I talked with an investment firm holding a large chunk of Nintendo stock. It was pointed out to me that Nintendo is holding a HUGE amount of cash right now, similar to Apple's strategy. Basically, Nintendo isn't going anywhere, most likely, as they have the resources to weather just about any storm from the looks of it. Doesn't mean they wouldn't make the move out of hardware, but rest assured Nintendo isn't going anywhere, at least for a while.

Re:I hope it does well (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017117)

lol. You crack me up.

Re:I hope it does well (1)

Toonol (1057698) | about 2 years ago | (#42017565)

He's correct. They have a huge bankroll. I was surprised; there is a better chance of Sony getting out the field than Nintendo.

Re:I hope it does well (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017149)

But for how long will that pile of cash last if things go bad?

You have to keep in mind that Nintendo is PURELY in the hardware/software video games industry. If things turn sour, then that pile of cash isn't too impressive. Admittedly this is doubtful since the 3DS is curb-stomping the Vita and iPhone/iPad/iOS fears haven't manifested (yet), but if the WiiU can't mimic (or at least come close to) the Wii's success, you can expect Nintendo's stock price to take a hit.

Re:I hope it does well (1)

rolfwind (528248) | about 2 years ago | (#42017345)

Well, looking at the size of the size of the VR controller, it does lead one to ask why didn't they make it a purely autonomous unit at that point (connectable to a TV of coure)....

I guess they didn't want to confuse people with their 3DS line up....

Re:I hope it does well (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 2 years ago | (#42017869)

Mimic?
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=NTDOY+Interactive#symbol=ntdoy;range=my;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined [yahoo.com] ;

It's not like the market has extrapolated the success of the DS and Wii forward or haven't discounted (some of) the future already.

Re:I hope it does well (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017239)

Nintendo burned through roughly half of its cash reserves between 2011 and 2012. How much they have burned through this year won't be known until the end of March, but it is probably a lot. I don't think Nintendo's finances are as rosy as you think.

Re:I hope it does well (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 2 years ago | (#42017861)

Nokia held a lot of cash to, still do I suppose but even the last dividend which was half of the one before that is almost 10% of the company value, so just two years ago they paid out 20% of the current company value in dividends..

Re:I hope it does well (2)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about 2 years ago | (#42017013)

I don't see why Nintendo would move out of hardware considering it tends to revolutionize the gaming world with its hardware. From the D-Pad on the NES to motion control on the Wii, touchscreens on the DS, etc.

Re:I hope it does well (0)

Kjella (173770) | about 2 years ago | (#42017177)

I don't see why Nintendo would move out of hardware considering it tends to revolutionize the gaming world with its hardware. From the D-Pad on the NES to motion control on the Wii, touchscreens on the DS, etc.

So you listed one handheld, two consoles one of which was released in 1985 - that's 27 years ago, man - over how many generations of hardware? Don't get me wrong the Wii was cool but it's like trying to reinvent the steering wheel over and over again. On the PC the mouse and keyboard hasn't changed in ages. On consoles now you can see the DualShock 3, Xbox 360 and Wii U Pro controller are now near identical - since game developers want the same controls. The Wii Remote/Move/Kinect has become an alternative way while the Wii U controller will double as a regular console controller for games that don't use the Wii screen. I don't think there's room for many more controller schemes than that. I think Nintendo is right to launch now though, both Microsoft and Sony are indicating their systems will live to 2015 or so giving Nintendo a few years as top dog.

Ummm... (2)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | about 2 years ago | (#42018237)

Of your examples, only one has stuck around for any length of time and that is d-pad. The motion control has remained firmly a niche thing. While other companies have played with it, by and large it is something that is used only as a gimmick, and in very few titles (outside of the Wii where it is mandatory more or less). Revolutionary it is not.

As for touch screens, you seriously think the DS has driven that? Not even. That would be smartphones all the way. For the most part the touch screen stuff on the DS is again gimmicky, with primary game control being done with the controllers. The heavy touchscreen platform is smartphones.

This also seems to conveniently forget the N64, which was a rather poor showing next to the Playstation. Sony, a brand new company to the console market, managed to rocket to the #1 spot largely because the Saturn was expensive and problematic and the N64 couldn't produce the same visuals and used expensive carts.

Nintendo has not continued to "revolutionize the gaming world" they have just made games and gaming systems, some which have done better than others. Nothing wrong with that but stop trying to pretend like they are some amazing force of nature that drives things forward. No, not really.

The motion control thing is the best example. It fascinated many people, sold a lot of Wiis, encouraged copying, and ultimately changed nothing. A success commercially, not revolutionary.

Re:I hope it does well (2)

future assassin (639396) | about 2 years ago | (#42017241)

And yes, I do still play my original Wii. I even bought a new game for it this week.

Yes I still play my old Turbo Grafx 16, SNES, Saturn, 3DO, Jaguar and Dreamcast.

Re:I hope it does well (1)

rolfwind (528248) | about 2 years ago | (#42017335)

My first thought looking at that thing is the controllers look too big (heavy) and expensive, that it was another Game Boy VR.

Idk about the sales numbers but I hope I'm wrong. We definitely need more than just 2 console makers, one of whom also spearheads PCs.

Re:I hope it does well (4, Interesting)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 2 years ago | (#42017659)

My first thought looking at that thing is the controllers look too big (heavy) and expensive, that it was another Game Boy VR.

The tablet controller is expensive, apparently (but every Wii U comes with one, and most games seem to have adopted a tablet controller for player 1, wii+nunchuk for player 2 with player 2 getting the vast majority of the TV (a tiny corner is for player one, who can use the tablet's screen).

The biggest thing though - is the lack of latency on the tablet screen. You'd think there would be some latency, but there isn't. Just fast and snappy.

It's also very light - it's not a huge heavy thing (I think the batteries would be the heaviest part) but it otherwise feels very usable. Nicely balanced and well-designed to feel good. If your arms get tired holding it while playing, I think it's time to step away from the screen and get some exercise.

Re:I hope it does well (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42018227)

Analysis vids show there is some latency, but only 2-3 frames worth. Could be an issue in versus fighters, but for most games it won't be noticeable.

Re:I hope it does well (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#42018417)

The tablet controller is expensive, apparently (but every Wii U comes with one, and most games seem to have adopted a tablet controller for player 1, wii+nunchuk for player 2 with player 2 getting the vast majority of the TV

Last I heard, you would only be able to use one tablet controller with the system at a time. Has this changed? Ironically for people who want to avoid buying multiple tablets, this is actually the prime reason I'm not interested, asymmetric gaming is a gimmick.

Microsoft, Sony, and Valve (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#42018521)

We definitely need more than just 2 console makers, one of whom also spearheads PCs.

You mean Microsoft, Sony, and reportedly Valve [slashdot.org] ?

Re:I hope it does well (2)

aNonnyMouseCowered (2693969) | about 2 years ago | (#42017947)

I suspect that even rivals like Sony and Microsoft are hoping that the WiiNew does well, otherwise they'd need to rethink their whole console strategy. If Nintendo fails, then it might mean that dedicated consoles are giving way to tablets and enhanced TVs coupled with an online gaming service.

Re:I hope it does well (0)

blahplusplus (757119) | about 2 years ago | (#42018133)

I can't say I agree, Nintendo's flagship properties outside of mario and maybe kart are all suffering. Nintendo has nothing there for the core gamer anymore.

Wii U will end up being Wii redux/Gamecube redux unless they start taking seriously their decline in game quality.

Re:I hope it does well (-1)

wisty (1335733) | about 2 years ago | (#42018151)

Why should they? The Wii was a raging success. The only real problem was that iDevices devastated the "casual gamer" market. The Wii had slightly-better-than-last-generation hardware. This makes it profitable. The WiiU will be similar - slightly better than the last generation. The WiiU will be able to play ports of iDevice games, with 10X the grunt. Any great iPad / Android game mechanics which emerge can be turned into AAA games.

iDevices didn't devastate the console market because they are cheaper. They devastated consoles because they are *better*. Playing games on a capacitive screen is just more fun than mashing buttons, for many people. Playing on a capacitive screen with great graphics and a HDTV will be even more fun.

Startup cost (2)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#42018539)

The WiiU will be able to play ports of iDevice games

It takes $1250 (including the cost of replacing a PC with a Mac) to get started developing an iDevice game. It takes $200 plus an existing PC to get started developing an Android game. How much does it cost to start porting that game to the Wii U, including meeting Nintendo's requirements to obtain a devkit?

Have they announced the Three Stooges game package (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42016905)

That would be called "WhyU"?

Re:Have they announced the Three Stooges game pack (3, Funny)

JustOK (667959) | about 2 years ago | (#42017073)

3 Stooges: Ninja. I like the nyuk chucks.

wonder how long it will take for it to get hacked? (1)

Nyder (754090) | about 2 years ago | (#42016925)

Now is the part I like, how long does it take for the console to get cracked, and by what methods they are able to do it. Probably more exciting then anything else, to some of us.

Re:wonder how long it will take for it to get hack (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42018263)

If their past record is anything to go by, it shouldn't take all that long. [youtube.com] It was pretty hilarious when it emerged the Wii used the same drive firmware password as the gamecube, only made "secure" by being in upper case instead ...

Last hurrah (3, Informative)

GeneralTurgidson (2464452) | about 2 years ago | (#42016931)

Nintendo, you would make money hand over fist if you became multiplatform and did HD remakes for everything. Seriously, swimming in a lake of green.

Re:Last hurrah (2)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about 2 years ago | (#42017003)

...Except for the fact that Nintendo routinely revolutionizes the hardware of gaming, not just the software. The NES brought the D-Pad, the GameBoy basically created decent portable gaming, the Wii was imitated by the 2 other consoles.

Nintendo's success is not just because of software, but hardware has a lot to do with it.

Re:Last hurrah (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017251)

They error'd in a number of places although I can't disagree that they have made major contributions.

They should never have done away with the original Gameboy design. That thing rocked. Nothing compares to it. The newer stuff more closely resembles Sega's handheld Game Gear (awesome for its time with major pitfalls related to the battery- cool games although too fast paced).

The original Game Boy and NES had the best games for it. SNES had at least two good games. One was really a 4-set of the NES games though. The other was one of the Super Mario games.

They screwed up every other piece of hardware since then if you ask me. Of course the success is also partially a pubic relations thing. They did succeed with numerous systems financially.

I'm not really sure what they should do now. The Super Mario U game looks like it would be fun. They need to bring back the original GameBoy though. A modern non-reflective color screen and an awesome battery might be worthwhile improvement. Maybe shipping two li-ion batteries with charger would be an improvement. That way you could get better battery life than double A's would allow and still be able to play your game on long car trips, etc. Throw in a car charger too!

Re:Last hurrah (1, Insightful)

LocalH (28506) | about 2 years ago | (#42017055)

They're already making money hand over fist.

Re:Last hurrah (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017283)

I don't think people understand how Nintendo makes their money. There is a reason you can't get Mario for the PS3 and it's not so Nintendo can sell you hardware with no margins. It's because, if you can only get Mario on Nintendo hardware, you might just buy other games for Nintendo hardware. Nintendo gets a cut of those sales through licensing.

I'd love for Nintendo to get out of the console business. I can't believe they are still doing this stupid "SD card expansion" BS with the Wii-U. I'd love to see "PlayStation Move by Nintendo" or rock an HD remake of the classic Zelda on PS3.

But that's a pipe dream, because Nintendo isn't in any danger of collapse unless the Wii-U literally does as bad as the Dreamcast (it can't possibly!) and Nintendo can't fix it before they run out of money. I just don't see that happening.

Re:Last hurrah (1)

BeansBaxter (918704) | about 2 years ago | (#42017371)

SD card is only for wii compatibility. USB external hard drives can be formatted and used with the wii u.

Re:Last hurrah (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017657)

That kind of misses the point. Nintendo screwed two things up with Wii storage:

1. The amount of space available was paltry.
2. The usage of secondary storage was anything but transparent. It wasn't really even fully functional, ever. They fixed it with a cheap, slow hack.

At best, Nintendo fixed #2 with the Wii-U. At worst, it works the same way as it does on the Wii but you can buy yourself more of it. Yay?

The point of keeping storage small seems to be to reduce the price of the unit. But if I have to then buy external storage, it's not really keeping the price down at all, and it's a much less elegant solution. I get to worry about compatibility, extra cables, extra space, etc., etc., when they could just be selling a model with 120GB in it in the first place.

None of these are huge deals, except... Nintendo should already have learned this lesson.

Re:Last hurrah (2)

LocalH (28506) | about 2 years ago | (#42017379)

Nintendo's the only company from the old school that's still around making hardware. I'd say they're doing something right. Not everything, but enough to succeed.

Also, I agree about the exclusive franchises. Back in the early days of Nintendo video games, this was not the case - all of the most popular early Nintendo arcade games got ported to numerous systems. Donkey Kong, DK Jr, Mario Bros, even Popeye. Once Nintendo found true success in the home market with Super Mario Bros, they abandoned that strategy (for the most part, although they did release an SMB game for a couple of obscure-in-the-West Japanese home computers).

Re:Last hurrah (1)

rolfwind (528248) | about 2 years ago | (#42017381)

Looking at Nintendo hardware of the past, I think they are unlike other consoles. Since it's less powerful, they probably cut even near the beginning of the life of the console and then start making more and more money during it's lifetime as component prices drop.

Although I don't disagree with your point about branching out, it would perhaps expand their audience. But one counterpoint is that with shipping a console, they can always decide to try to make another sucessful franchise of the pack-in game that comes with it. They have done this with a lot of their successful franchises. They would lose that power once they no longer make hardware and probably also have to bid for that slot.

Re:Last hurrah (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about 2 years ago | (#42018253)

You do realise you can use any USB hard drive you want. If you want 1TB of space then go for it and shop around for the best priced drive you can find unlike xbox which wants you to buy an overpriced hard drive

Link goes to a blog, possible ad traffic tactic? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017027)

Why is the link pointing to a blog and not the nintendo site?

Please correct it.

SEGA: Been There, Done That (1, Troll)

BenJeremy (181303) | about 2 years ago | (#42017043)

Game controller that also plays games? Yeah, they already did that with the Dreamcast.

Look how well it worked out for them, too.

Re:SEGA: Been There, Done That (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017069)

Yes, but that equated to going from stunning graphics on the tv to the equivalent of a Tiger LCD handheld. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

Re:SEGA: Been There, Done That (3, Informative)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about 2 years ago | (#42017085)

I'd hardly put the VMU (essentially a memory card with a screen) in the same class as the WiiU controller. Also, the Dreamcast failed because of a lack of really good games, especially exclusive games. Other than Shenmue, Sonic Adventure 1/2 (the only good 3-D sonic games), Code Veronica, Crazy Taxi and a couple of quirky games (I think one was called Seaman?) there wasn't much going for the Dreamcast.

The Saturn failed for much the same reasons, there weren't any good games for it, Sonic which had sold like hotcakes on the Genesis/Mega Drive had no real game on the Saturn aside from various spin-offs and remakes. It would be like Nintendo releasing a console without Mario or Zelda, or the Xbox without Halo.

Re:SEGA: Been There, Done That (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017153)

Dreamcast had Phatasy Star Online, and above all else Power Stone 2.

I'm sure I'm not alone in wanting a new Power Stone game. It is still more fun than any of the Smash Bros. games.

Re:SEGA: Been There, Done That (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017957)

Dreamcast had Phatasy Star Online

Can't tell if trolling, serious, or just an inadvertantly ignorant console-only junky. PSO was remedial shit.

Right, anyhow, to actually list a decent game: The Dreamcast had Skies of Arcadia. That alone justified purchasing the system.

As for the failure - the Dreamcast failed for two specific reasons. First, Sega beat everyone to the punch in that generation. Which sounds like a good thing, but given how far it was released in advance of the PS2 and Xbox... It was effectively its own 'off-generation'. A great many people out there at the time (and even today) only purchase a single console during a generation. With Sony and Microsoft marketing in full force, people waited rather than jumping on Sega's ailing failboat. And when Sony and Microsoft finally released their systems, the Dreamcast simply had no chance of standing in line against them from a technical perspective.

Second, Sega of America is completely fucking clueless. Even in advance of the PS2 and Xbox, you couldn't swing a dead cat during a commercial break without hitting Sony and Microsoft advertisements. Sega? Sega advertised nothing, relying on... I don't even know. Smug assurance that, hey, we're Sega? Didn't work out too well for sales.

Re:SEGA: Been There, Done That (1)

loufoque (1400831) | about 2 years ago | (#42018467)

PSO was the first MMO for consoles, working on 56k modem at the time. That was quite innovative.
The console also had a few good jrpgs, as well as many good multiplayer games, of which equivalents didn't arrive on other consoles before the Nintendo Gamecube (which is similar to the Dreamcast on many aspects).

And of course, the Dreamcast is also still today the best console for shoot em ups, but that's very niche.

when Sony and Microsoft finally released their systems, the Dreamcast simply had no chance of standing in line against them from a technical perspective

Yet most multi-platform games were faster, snappier, and just felt plain better on the Dreamcast. In particular Quake 3, which was awesome on the Dreamcast, but downright unplayable on the PS2.

Re:SEGA: Been There, Done That (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017311)

The lack of games wasn't it. It didn't help, but it wasn't it.

The Dreamcast was essentially the fourth in a string of console failures:

Sega CD
Sega 32X
Sega Saturn

All innovative experiments that really didn't go anywhere.

It wasn't just the lack of games that killed the Dreamcast. It was a smaller market than it is today, there was already Nintendo and Sony to compete against, and then came the XBox. It was just too crowded already and someone had to die. Why not the ones who were offering a lackluster experience and had already lost during the previous generation?

Re:SEGA: Been There, Done That (2)

captjc (453680) | about 2 years ago | (#42017411)

There was also the fact that Sega screwed over some major toy store chains, and pissed off quite a few high-profile game developers. Add to that the fact that the games could be pirated almost trivially and the Playstation 2 had the killer app of a DVD player.

Basically the Dreamcast was the perfect shit-storm.

Re:SEGA: Been There, Done That (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017437)

they failed because sony did their sony thing and sonyd it all up.

Re:SEGA: Been There, Done That (3, Interesting)

Jaktar (975138) | about 2 years ago | (#42017087)

The Dreamcast didn't fail because of the controller. It failed after Sega rapidly put out Sega CD, the 32X followed quickly by the Saturn. They did all this despite some fierce competition with Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony.

Nintendo has had some bad design choices in the past. I don't think this controller is one of those bad design choices. Time will tell.

Re:SEGA: Been There, Done That (2)

vlueboy (1799360) | about 2 years ago | (#42017323)

The Dreamcast didn't fail because of the controller. It failed after Sega rapidly put out Sega CD, the 32X followed quickly by the Saturn. ...Time will tell.

I find an eerie parallel with Memory Alpha's [memory-alpha.org] content I read just about an hour ago tonight. It's about the fall of Star Trek from Rick Berman:

I again asked them for a little breathing room, that maybe it wasn't a good idea to slap a new show on the air in what was going to be the third season of Deep Space Nine

...

With the end of Voyager's seventh season, Berman was once again approached to create a new series - one to air in the fall of 2001, mere months after the final broadcast of Voyager.

Re:SEGA: Been There, Done That (2)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | about 2 years ago | (#42017201)

I owned the Dreamcast and actually loved it. Quite a few really fun games for it. That said, their VMUs were tremendously underutilized. Granted, they were nothing like a tablet but they could have been much more. It wasn't never going to be the VMU that would make or break the Dreamcast, though. It's a much different situation compared to the Wii U

Re:SEGA: Been There, Done That (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017485)

Don't forget the GameCube could also use Game Boy Advances as controllers!

Re:SEGA: Been There, Done That (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about 2 years ago | (#42018265)

Not really. That's in no way remotely similar.

Universal Remote (3, Interesting)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | about 2 years ago | (#42017059)

I am considering buying it just to use the tablet thing as my universal remote. I was looking at the Logitech Harmony ILink as to turn my Android phone into a remote but the reviews are not very good. Will wait for reviews on the Wii U. I want to see some Youtube vids of the remote functionality before I buy. Not impressed with the launch games.

Re:Universal Remote (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | about 2 years ago | (#42018061)

Just bite the bullet and get a Harmony One or (if you need to control devices outside line-of-site) the Harmony 900.

I have two (for different media centers) and bought my dad one as well. Haven't had to reprogram any of them since the initial installation more than a year ago.

You don't appreciate physical buttons on your remote until you lose them all.

Re:Universal Remote (4, Insightful)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | about 2 years ago | (#42018459)

Just bite the bullet and get a Harmony One or (if you need to control devices outside line-of-site) the Harmony 900.

I have two (for different media centers) and bought my dad one as well. Haven't had to reprogram any of them since the initial installation more than a year ago.

You don't appreciate physical buttons on your remote until you lose them all.

Wow look at the prices on those things. $199 for the Harmony One, and $349 for the Harmony 900. Those are new console prices for controllers with less features than new console controllers. I wonder if Logitech is hobbling its IPad and Android apps on purpose. So it can keep selling these overpriced pieces of plastic.

Don't forget the eShop launch titles! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017159)

There's 5 additional titles available via download from the Wii U eShop at launch: Little Inferno, Trine 2: Director's Cut, Chasing Aurora, Mighty Switch Force: Hyper Drive Edition, and Nano Assault NEO.

Re:Don't forget the eShop launch titles! (2)

BeansBaxter (918704) | about 2 years ago | (#42017375)

Little Inferno is a fantastic time waster. Recommend.

Missing Games? (4, Funny)

storkus (179708) | about 2 years ago | (#42017195)

The games lineup is a strong one, with games such as New Super Mario Bros U, Arkham City Armoured Edition, Assassins Creed 3, Call of Duty Black Ops 2, Sonic AllStars Racing, Nintendo Land, Tank Tank Tank, ScribbleNauts Unlimited, Epic Mickey 2 The Power of Two, ESPN Sports Connection, DarkSiders 2, Rabbids Land, Mass Effect 3, Ninja Gaiden 3 Razors Edge, Tekken Tag Tournament 2, Wipeout 3 and Just Dance 4 all available on launch day.

What, no Hero's Duty, Sugar Rush Speedway, or Fix-It Felix, Jr?

Bye bye Nintendo (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017277)

No offense, but Nintendo seems to be on its way out. They've had their day and they perpetually keep playing catch up.

They'll need to bring more to the table than flashy gimmicks. Let's face it, the original Wii was interesting at first, but lost its glory once it was revealed that it had no good games.

Re:Bye bye Nintendo (2)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | about 2 years ago | (#42017397)

Yea, which is why it never outsold the other consoles, or remains the most popular of the three.

Reality is, there are many great titles for the Wii, just none worth mentioning for COD fans.

Re:Bye bye Nintendo (1)

BonzaiThePenguin (2528980) | about 2 years ago | (#42018029)

Reality is, there are many great titles for the Wii, just none worth mentioning for COD fans.

Which is ironic since the Wii has quite a few Call of Duty games.

Gadidae (2)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#42018571)

Reality is, there are many great titles for the Wii, just none worth mentioning for COD fans.

But for fans of all the other kinds of fish [wikipedia.org] , there is Animal Crossing: City Folk.

yo dawg (-1, Offtopic)

ArchieBunker (132337) | about 2 years ago | (#42017287)

I heard you like to wii so we put a wii in your wii controller so you can wii while you wii

Um....... (2)

Hsien-Ko (1090623) | about 2 years ago | (#42017289)

Isn't there a better source for this news than some third-party Dreamcast enthusiast site? I swear this is submitted to drive that site's attention.

I'm still not coinvinced... (1, Insightful)

lord_mike (567148) | about 2 years ago | (#42017293)

...that this platform will be any different from previous Nintendo platforms--a new design full of promise only to become primarily a target for kiddie games and crap shovelware. It's nice that the WiiU has some real games available at launch, but so did the Wii. That phenomenon didn't last very long. Real software shops pulled out of the Nintendo market quicker than [insert humorous NSFW analogy here]. I wouldn't trust them to stick around with the WiiU, either. After all, it's Nintendo--a company that simply refuses to let go of its, "Super Mario plus other cartoony games," forumula. Why would any other software shop take their platform seriously when Nintendo itself does not.

Re:I'm still not coinvinced... (4, Insightful)

Kenoli (934612) | about 2 years ago | (#42017359)

After all, it's Nintendo--a company that simply refuses to let go of its, "Super Mario plus other cartoony games," forumula. Why would any other software shop take their platform seriously when Nintendo itself does not.

They're not going to just let go of Mario. That's the best selling video game franchise in the world.

Hundreds of millions of sales sounds pretty serious to me.

Re:I'm still not coinvinced... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017675)

GP's point wasn't "ditch Mario". It was that Mario and Borderlands 2 could live on the same system. It doesn't have to be only Mario and Strawberry Shortcake Superstar Racers. But that's what it becomes, partially because of Nintendo's branding and partially because their systems are so weak relative to other consoles and PC gaming. People who have both a PS3 and a Wii are generally going to buy the PS3 version of a game, with the result that a lot of games don't get ported to Wii.

Re:I'm still not coinvinced... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42018503)

Borderlands 2 shouldn't live on any system. It is a fucking sucky piece of shit embarrassment and destroyed the franchise. It is electronic feces.

Re:I'm still not coinvinced... (1)

LocalH (28506) | about 2 years ago | (#42017365)

Even "Mario is Missing" is better than 90% of the FPS tripe that's out today.

Re:I'm still not coinvinced... (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 2 years ago | (#42017881)

Because it looks like cartoons make it a kid game.

Just play the kiddie games. Fuck the shovelware.

Re:I'm still not coinvinced... (1)

loufoque (1400831) | about 2 years ago | (#42018489)

Those cartoony games are not only played by kids.
They're just games for all ages.

Nintendo just manages to make good games without resorting to big guns and baseless violence.

32 gb deluxe? (2)

JimboFBX (1097277) | about 2 years ago | (#42017299)

With flash memory dirt cheap and hdd even cheaper I'd say I'm surprised they went skimpy on the storage except it's nintendo so I'm not surprised at all. With consoles as old as they are is it really that hard to imagine not having one concession?

Then buy one (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#42018591)

With flash memory dirt cheap and hdd even cheaper

For one thing, HDD is another moving part, which means more repairs. For another, I've gathered from other comments to this story that people who want the HDD can buy a PC HDD and plug it in, unlike a certain competitor's console that demands a proprietary HDD.

Nintendo is (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017301)

grammatically correct.

-g.nazi

Nintendo dodges and weaves... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017333)

Nintendo has proven itself to be a nimble competitor. They routinely reinvent the market and stay relevant despite huge competitors.
I thought they made a mistake by making their own tablet instead of using phones and existing tablets as controllers ( like Microsoft has released to try to undercut Nintendo's new strategy ). I now realize that a standard base system is required ( and thus the tablet ) for good game support of peripherals.

I now realize they've got a bigger picture to paint..
It would be quite funny to see Nintendo walk in and do TV right... Microsoft's tried how many times? Apple? Google..

I think might just kick ass (again).. + they seem to have the market to themselves this year.

Doomed (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42017559)

Nintendo: doomed in five years.. since 1995.

For anyone who preordered... (1, Interesting)

Mashiki (184564) | about 2 years ago | (#42017573)

You might very well be disappointed. I have a few friends who work in retail at several B&M stores(walmart, bestbuy, EB), and if what they told me is true half or more of their preorder customers will not be getting their preorders because Nintendo didn't ship enough of these boxes out. Whether that holds true everywhere I can't say, but their rep said that a second shipment won't arrive for another 7-18 days.

Wipeout 3 (1)

Cochonou (576531) | about 2 years ago | (#42017581)

The games lineup is a strong one, with games such as New Super Mario Bros U, Arkham City Armoured Edition, Assassins Creed 3, Call of Duty Black Ops 2, Sonic AllStars Racing, Nintendo Land, Tank Tank Tank, ScribbleNauts Unlimited, Epic Mickey 2 The Power of Two, ESPN Sports Connection, DarkSiders 2, Rabbids Land, Mass Effect 3, Ninja Gaiden 3 Razors Edge, Tekken Tag Tournament 2, Wipeout 3 and Just Dance 4 all available on launch day.

This is NOT [ign.com] the Wipeout you are looking for [wikipedia.org] . What a pity.

YoU insensitive clod. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42018023)

Use8s. BSD/OS

Just in time? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42018101)

Either you Americans have insanely long Christmas holidays, or you guys have another holiday before Christmas. I just read that the Netherlands is getting them about two weeks from now -- which really is a triple-A stupid move, since 3 days is too close to the largest kids-gift-giving occasion [wikipedia.org] in NL.

Anyway, you guys have more holidays, we have 2 gift-giving occasions in December. I guess it all balances out :)

Re:Just in time? (2)

BitZtream (692029) | about 2 years ago | (#42018183)

Every year the stores start this crap earlier and earlier.

What you don't realize is they are referring to the 2014 holiday season, not the 2012!

Mario - not that great (2, Insightful)

clickclickdrone (964164) | about 2 years ago | (#42018215)

I suspect all the Mario love is a generational thing. For me, he peaked at Donkey Kong. I grew up with the Apple II/Atari 800/TRS 80/Pet etc so really didn't get that interested in Nintendo at all, that entire NES period passed me by. I did have a Dreamcast, which was me getting back into games then jumped to the 360.
My son had a Wii so I downloaded Mario 64 to see what all the fuss was about as I remembered that being a landmark game and frankly, really couldn't see why people thought it was so great. Maybe you just had to be there at the time.
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