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Ask Slashdot: Which International Online Music Stores Are Legit?

timothy posted about a year ago | from the when-googling-for-mp3s-isn't-enough dept.

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rjnagle writes "I'm an American lover of music who is interested in buying legally music from other countries. How do I know which CD/online music stores are legit and actually benefit the artist? I'm very cost-conscious and prefer indie music anyway, but the types of international music for sale on Amazon/iTunes tends to be from the bigger labels. Suppose I wanted to buy music from Pakistan/Ukraine/China/Brazil/Chad. What's the best way to identify which labels or online stories are authorized to sell them? Perhaps all I need is a list of the best known online music stores for each region (Yesasia.com, etc)."

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Hard to tell (4, Informative)

vikingpower (768921) | about a year ago | (#42024941)

AFAIK, the line between "legit" and "illegal" is blurry in at least two of the countries the author mentions.

Re:Hard to tell (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42024999)

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/search/display.html?terms=phonorecord&url=/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000602----000-.html

Re:Hard to tell (4, Insightful)

Xest (935314) | about a year ago | (#42025219)

That and I think "legit" and "benefit the artist" are largely mutually exclusive most of the time.

National and international music federations like the RIAA, IFPI, etc. seem to get to decide what sites are and aren't legit, yet they're also the organisations whose sales least benefit the artist.

As someone else said, paying the artist direct where possible is the best option, but even that assumes the artist has the rights to sell directly their produce and hasn't signed over all sales rights to an organisation as described above.

Re:Hard to tell (1)

mnooning (759721) | about a year ago | (#42025761)

Didn't Michael Jackson get hundreds of millions of dollars from a Japanese firm in exchange for MJ's selling rights? In that case, the Japanese firm had (and still has) every right to the money from sales of MJ's music.

Re:Hard to tell (2)

Xest (935314) | about a year ago | (#42025775)

Possibly, but using probably the most succesful artist of all time as a data point doesn't really tell you much about the situation in general.

Re:Hard to tell (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025857)

That and I think "legit" and "benefit the artist" are largely mutually exclusive most of the time.

Then artists should learn to stand up their own website.

Last few albums I've purchased have been directly from the artist themselves. Great thing is they usually offer the downloads in several different formats (MP3, FLAC, WAV, Ogg, etc.), and by purchasing from the artist via the most direct path, I can generally assume it is also the most efficient path to put money back where it belongs; in the artists pocket.

And if artists think they can't be successful standing on their own, then they're either way too greedy, or have been listening to "managers" way too long.

Re:Hard to tell (2, Interesting)

Xest (935314) | about a year ago | (#42025953)

Agreed. Many artists only have themselves to blame for being too lazy to sort their own affairs. But I'm not surprised as the artists who are too lazy to do this also happen to be the ones that believe in perpetual copyright - i.e. those who only want to spend a few days in a recording studio actually working, and then profit off it for life. The whole situation is born entirely out of the fact that these sorts of artists are simply bone idle layabouts.

It's no different to any other industry, if you want to make the real money from your skillset you do it yourself as a contractor and sort your own tax dealings etc.

The only problem is that most musicians nowadays know full well that they wouldn't make it as a "contractor" because the flip side of being a contractor is that you have to be uniquely skilled enough that someone is willing to hire you. Most modern artists simply don't have the raw talent to make it without the music industry acting as a crutch for them.

Hopefully though, given time, those artists with both the competence and the work ethic to actually do what needs to be done to self publish will become ever more prominent, pushing the layabouts dependent on the music cartels into irrelevance.

Re:Hard to tell (1)

tehcyder (746570) | about a year ago | (#42025973)

paying the artist direct where possible is the best option, but even that assumes the artist has the rights to sell directly their produce and hasn't signed over all sales rights to an organisation as described above.

If artists could manage quite happily without these organisations, then why don't they just do that?

Basically, the artist want all the advantages (advances on royalties, management, advertising and marketing campaigns, and all the rest) but then whine when they have to pay for them. Well, fuck it, they can just do it all themselves if they really want to. No one's stopping them.

But, of course, the poor artists are just musicians and don't understand all that finance stuff.

None of them (4, Informative)

ranulf (182665) | about a year ago | (#42025357)

While the might be legitimate in their own country, they're typically only licenced to distribute within their own territory, because other companies will have the distribution rights elsewhere. So, almost certainly, you won't actually have bought the right to use that music even though you paid money, because they didn't have the rights to sell you.

Depends on your definition of "legit" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025525)

Do you mean "organized crime" and "content distribution and artist extortion Mafia" "legit"?
Or real-world legit?

Supporting the former, means supporting criminals who...
1. create artificial scarcity by declaring some kind of imaginary property,
2. play a protection racket scheme on everyone who doesn't obey their lies,
3. bribe and manipulate governments globally, which is treason and gets you up to 10 years in prison, to artificially keep up dead business models,
2. abuse artists and do to them, what they say we are doing
3. and destroy creativity for greed and cocaine money. (I know the cocaine [and hooker] money part from personal observation at EMI, Warner and SonyBMG, back in 2002-2005.)

Morally, I cannot ever play along with that. And I cannot ever accept spineless pieces of shit who act like that view is in some way a valid one that should be considered. Because without them, we would all be laughing at the small group of cocaine-fueled idiots and their craziness. Nobody would care because they would have no power.
But those spineless validators give them the power in the first place.
Now what social dynamic does that remind you of? (Hint: It ended in a big war and millions being dead.)

Re:Hard to tell (4, Insightful)

jonwil (467024) | about a year ago | (#42025779)

Look at what happened to allofmp3.com. Followed all the laws in Russia. Paid all the required money to the Russian music licensing agency. Yet it was still targeted by the RIAA who claimed it was "illegal"

I suspect it would be quite hard to find any digital music store in some of these Asian countries that is both accessible to the USA AND would be considered acceptable/legit by the RIAA.

LOL WAT A FAG (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42024943)

StOoPiD mAn

actually benefit the artists? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42024945)

None. Bottomline buy direct whenever possible. Contact the artist if you can't.

Re:actually benefit the artists? (5, Interesting)

slim (1652) | about a year ago | (#42025595)

Yes. This. And it only occurred to me recently.

I'd seen a band at a festival, and decided to buy some of their stuff. I could have just gone to Amazon, and usually I would have done. But on a whim, I posted on their facebook page -- "hey, if I want some of your CDs, which online shop gives you the biggest cut of the profit?" They replied "buy it direct from us".

I ended up sending a cheque in the post to a residential address -- and the CDs arrived a few days later, and I have warm and fuzzy feelings from supporting the artist. They also had "tour exclusive" CDs which weren't available any other way.

Of course if I'd had my wits about me, I could have bought those CDs from them at the gig.

It might be harder work with World Music, but it's surely worth investigating.

Re:actually benefit the artists? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025781)

If the artist is signed to a major label then they they have to buy the CD they sell at the same (or worse) prices than the regular wholesalers. Some bands sold out so much when they got their record deal that they don't even own their own name anymore.

All of them (4, Insightful)

gmhowell (26755) | about a year ago | (#42024951)

All of them are legit for certain values of 'legit', 'international', 'music', 'benefit', and 'artist'.

In other news, we have always been at war with Eastasia.

Seriously, if you find a store that meets ALL of those criteria, anywhere, it'll be the first. I think the only way to do that is to find a copy of the music anywhere you want, then throw a buck or ten to whomever you decide is the artist. In the case of a RIAA (or local equivalent) band, there's a good chance that the actual artist is not the official artist of record.

Re:All of them (1)

aliquis (678370) | about a year ago | (#42025113)

In the case of a RIAA (or local equivalent) band, there's a good chance that the actual artist is not the official artist of record.

What?

Re:All of them (2)

Canazza (1428553) | about a year ago | (#42025145)

Maybe he's on about the artists who only sing the songs, as opposed to the artists who write it for them?

Most of the Boy/Girl bands out there have their songs written by professional songwriters so if you're going to throw them a buck, you have to decide which party to donate to.

Re:All of them (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025355)

Then you have the advertisers, without which you would have never heard of the band.
And manager (shit does not just happen, someone has to make it happen, I'd guess it is rare that it is the band that does that).
And post-production team to make it sound good.
And the accountants to ensure taxes are filed in time and correctly.

And I'm sure 10s to 100s of other people that turn a band into viable business.

You could say that you only need to throw the money at the band, and let them handle all that shit.
And the band could say "throw it at the manager, we deal with the music, they handle all that shit".
Then the manager could just say "throw it at the label, they handle most of that shit more cost effectively than I".

Re:All of them (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year ago | (#42025787)

Then you have the advertisers, without which you would have never heard of the band.

Are you living in the 1970s? You think people still need "advertising" to hear about a band?

No, there really are not "10s to 100s of other people" that "turn a band into a viable business".

I suppose it might matter what you mean by "viable business". If it means "get rich enough to buy a private plane and a castle in Scotland" then yes you need 10s to 100s of people. But if you want to make a nice middle class income all you need is maybe 1 or two people besides the band (unless one of the band members can work a calculator, which is not a dead cinch, in my experience).

Re:All of them (1)

tehcyder (746570) | about a year ago | (#42026009)

Then you have the advertisers, without which you would have never heard of the band.

Are you living in the 1970s? You think people still need "advertising" to hear about a band?

No, there really are not "10s to 100s of other people" that "turn a band into a viable business".

I suppose it might matter what you mean by "viable business". If it means "get rich enough to buy a private plane and a castle in Scotland" then yes you need 10s to 100s of people. But if you want to make a nice middle class income all you need is maybe 1 or two people besides the band (unless one of the band members can work a calculator, which is not a dead cinch, in my experience).

Well, fine, let them earn a nice middle class income. Who's stopping them?
br. Meanwhile, it is the artists themselves who sign up to big record companies that DO want the advertising/marketing etc and DO want to get rich enough to buy a private plane a nd a castle in Scotland. No one's forcing them.

Re:All of them (3, Funny)

pjt33 (739471) | about a year ago | (#42025963)

And the accountants to ensure taxes are filed in time and correctly.

Are you sure that's the major role of the accountants in big labels? I thought their role was more to ensure that there were no profits, so there's no tax to pay. And nothing left to pay the musicians either.

Re:All of them (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025997)

Then you have the advertisers, without which you would have never heard of the band.

You mean YouTube?

Re:All of them (3, Interesting)

History's Coming To (1059484) | about a year ago | (#42025531)

The best selling songwriter in the UK is Mel C from the Spice Girls. Seriously. She writes a high percentage of all the UK produced pop songs. "Chart" music has very little to do with artists, it's more of a fashion marketing company than anything else.

Re:All of them (1)

tehcyder (746570) | about a year ago | (#42026127)

The best selling songwriter in the UK is Mel C from the Spice Girls. Seriously. She writes a high percentage of all the UK produced pop songs. "Chart" music has very little to do with artists, it's more of a fashion marketing company than anything else.

I don't see what your argument is.

You may think the Spice Girls were shit. I would agree with you. But they were popular. That's what "best selling" means: a lot of people bought your stuff. If Mel C writes crappy songs for other artists that are popular, that's not her fault.

Whether it's a question of money or not, popularity has been, and always will be, orthoganal to artistic merit.

Re:All of them (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about a year ago | (#42025839)

Maybe he's on about the artists who only sing the songs, as opposed to the artists who write it for them?

So it's a choice between sending a few bucks to the songwriters or the AutoTune(TM) machine.

Re:All of them (2)

rtfa-troll (1340807) | about a year ago | (#42025217)

Look up session musicians [wikipedia.org]. Most RIAA "artists" are chosen for their looks. Giving money to RIAA labels is (mostly) supporting the true "pirates" of the music seas. If you want to support artists, go see a band playing live. Even then, avoid major label bands who nowadays have to sign over their concert rights.

Re:All of them (2)

pecosdave (536896) | about a year ago | (#42025293)

Wear your skinny jeans, ride a fixed gear bike there, and don't forget the ironic glasses, hat, and mustache, especially if you're a woman.

Re:All of them (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025661)

How does it feel, to hate oneself that much?
How does it feel, to be your own worst enemy?
How does it feel to defend the ones raping you in the ass?
Do you like it?

Re:All of them (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42026047)

and don't forget the ironic glasses

I prefer silicon-oxidic glasses. They tend to be more transparent.

Re:All of them (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025369)

They'll sell their ass, their cocks and balls / They'll take the check 'n' walk away / If they're lucky they'll get famous / For a week or two perhaps

Benefit the artist? Hard to tell... (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year ago | (#42024965)

How do I know which CD/online music stores are legit and actually benefit the artist?

Attend pub with live music. Buy CD from the back of Dave the roadie's van.

Re:Benefit the artist? Hard to tell... (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | about a year ago | (#42025065)

Read again: Yankee Doodle wants to bestow his many dollah on Johnny Foreigner. Pub gigs aren't the answer to that question.

Re:Benefit the artist? Hard to tell... (1)

dwywit (1109409) | about a year ago | (#42025249)

Yes it bloody is! There are venues in Australia, you know. There's a lot of discs sold at them, too.

Re:Benefit the artist? Hard to tell... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025345)

No it bloody isn't! Pub gigs in Aus don't really do much for a guy who doesn't live there and wants to support bands that don't play there.

Re:Benefit the artist? Hard to tell... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025261)

That depends. You know, there are also pubs outside of America.

Re:Benefit the artist? Hard to tell... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025189)

For foreign artists that won't tour where you live, it is more and more common for bands to have Bandcamp stores or stell stuff directly.

Magnatune (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42024977)

Try magnatune.com

Fantastic music: Magnatune works with artists directly, not with record labels, and all their music is hand-picked. On average, they accept 3% of submissions

Perfect audio quality: you get CD quality audio WAV files, as well as super-high quality VBR MP3s, AAC, and open source friendly FLAC and OGG formats

No DRM: No copy protection (DRM), you can do what you like with your music

Listen to everything: all their albums can be listened to in their entirety before you become a member

Download everything: their monthly membership allows you to download anything from their entire catalog--no limits.

Musicians get paid: 50% of your purchase price goes directly to the musician, not to labels and their lawyers

Album art: every album includes high quality album art (in both Adobe Acrobat and 300DPI JPG formats)

Give to your friends: They encourage you to give 3 copies of any music from your membership to your friends

Artists direct: They sign contracts directly with musicians, so you can rest assured that they can legally license music to you, and no middlemen get in the way of the artist's royalties

Podcast-legal: non-commercial podcasters can use their music for free

No major labels: they have absolutely nothing to do with major labels or the RIAA

Financially support Open Source: they financially support several open source projects such as Amarok and Rhythmbox

Re:Magnatune (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year ago | (#42025175)

Magnatune is worth a try. Last time I looked, they were a bit expensive unless you really liked their catalog and downloaded a bunch. The catalog is rather eclectic. But you can certainly try before you buy.

Re:Magnatune (4, Interesting)

olau (314197) | about a year ago | (#42025423)

I bought a lifetime membership of Magnatune not long ago for $240, after having followed them since their inception. They keep adding music to the collection, so at some point it went from "I should probably support these guys out of principle" to "they have enough music that this is a cheap deal".

In addition to your points above, John Buckman is a cool dude. You can write a comment on his blog and get a reply.

Re:Magnatune (1)

mrt_2394871 (1174545) | about a year ago | (#42025895)

In addition to your points above, John Buckman is a cool dude. You can write a comment on his blog and get a reply.

I emailed him when Magnatune went subscription-only (I'd bought a dozen albums prior to that), with a bit of a moan that I could no longer buy per-album. I was astonished when I got a reply from him, setting out why he'd taken Magnatune down the route he had.

As you say, cool.

Re:Magnatune (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025485)

I was going to suggest the same: Magnatune [http://magnatune.com/] has a largish selection of Indie and World music.

MOST artists have their own website (5, Informative)

Tastecicles (1153671) | about a year ago | (#42024983)

Most artists have links to purchase or download their work on their website.

Go to the artists' website. There you'll likely as not find a link or ten to Amazon or iTunes if they have a pressed-disc contract, or to direct downloads via http/ftp or torrents or some other free method if they're that way inclined to distribute their music. It's a model that works - just go to the Stereophonics website and download an album or two - and donate what you want! They made more off a single album this way than they ever did through a Big Five label with all their other material combined!

Re:MOST artists have their own website (1)

MurukeshM (1901690) | about a year ago | (#42025723)

The thing is, how can you be sure it's the artist's website and not something the MAFiAA have set up for them? A while back, on facebook, a site called GiveMeFootball went about setting up pages for various popular footballers and calling them 'official'. They are 'official', in that they are official GMF pages, but have no endorsement from the players themselves. Is something like this possible for MAFiAA with domains?

In India... (1)

Sivaraj (34067) | about a year ago | (#42024985)

Most of the legal music stores online here sell hardcopy music :-(. Flipkart [flipkart.com] is the only downloadable music store that I know of. No DRM. It has somewhat decent collection. Note that majority of Indian popular music is film songs, other popular categories being devotional and classical.

Icelandic music (4, Informative)

arikol (728226) | about a year ago | (#42024997)

If you want Icelandic music then http://www.icelandicmusic.com/ [icelandicmusic.com] is the real deal. Pretty good music that can be found there, but most of it obviously in a language that will sound like Klingon to most people...

Re:Icelandic music (5, Funny)

bikin (1113139) | about a year ago | (#42025283)

Considering this is Slashdot, I'll bet that more people understand Klingon than Icelandic.

Re:Icelandic music (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#42025379)

Actually, I understand a little bit of both and they don't sound alike at all to me. Although, I get it that when they're shouting at you from a quickly decreasing distance, the difference between Vikings and Klingons becomes something of a moot point. (If that ever happens to you, a quick tip: Klingons are the swarthier ones.)

Re:Icelandic music (1)

xaxa (988988) | about a year ago | (#42025639)

If you want Icelandic music then http://www.icelandicmusic.com/ [icelandicmusic.com] is the real deal. Pretty good music that can be found there, but most of it obviously in a language that will sound like Klingon to most people...

I wonder why they chose Silverlight for their player?

Icelandic sounds like Norwegian/Swedish to me (which I don't understand). Picking the first video on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ecT5j3zaps [youtube.com] I can even understand a few words (just like Norwegian/Swedish).

Icelandic is much closer to English than, say, Gaelic. Try understanding a single word from Runrig - Alba [youtube.com] (relatively famous Scottish folk-rock band).

Re:Icelandic music (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42026135)

there is also http://www.gogoyoko.com/ that would meet most if not all the criteria mentioned in the original post. They got loads of Icelandic artists as well as some international ones. You can read more about them here: http://www.gogoyoko.com/about

Don't bother... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025001)

Just download the music where you can find it, "illegally" or otherwise, and then mail a dollar per CD directly to the artist. It's WAY more than they'd get from the legitimate sites like iTunes/Amazon most of the time for one sale, specially for more indie bands.

Re:Don't bother... (1)

michelcolman (1208008) | about a year ago | (#42025291)

I can just imagine Madonna opening her mailbox in the morning and finding hundreds of envelopes with one dollar bills in them. That's sure to put her into a good mood for the rest of the day!

Offtopic comment (0)

etash (1907284) | about a year ago | (#42025005)

Hi guys. Sorry to sound like a noob ( which i am in slashdot anyway ), but is there a way to contact a slashdot user via a private message or something ? I can't seem to be able to find the appropriate option/button/whatever.

Re:Offtopic comment (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025057)

No. Thankfully.

If the user has a journal, you will be able to post a comment there, but that's about it

Re:Offtopic comment (2)

michelcolman (1208008) | about a year ago | (#42025301)

If you post your e-mail account's username and password as a reply to his comment, he'll be able to contact you directly.

Indian/Pakistani Music (3, Informative)

vivtho (834049) | about a year ago | (#42025011)

You can download legit Indian and Pakistani music from Flyte [flipkart.com] which is a part of Flipkart (owned by Amazon)

Re:Indian/Pakistani Music (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025663)

Flipkart is not owned by Amazon. It was started by ex-Amazon folks though, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flipkart

benefit artist? hah hah! (4, Informative)

samjam (256347) | about a year ago | (#42025013)

Many "legit" stores do not benefit the artists!

Some sell the artists music without permission and do not reimburse the artists
http://torrentfreak.com/apples-itunes-sued-by-artist-for-pirating-music-110812/ [torrentfreak.com]
http://forum.tunecore.com/post/Album-on-iTunes-without-permission-5680939 [tunecore.com]

Sometimes the artists get no money because of extraordinary business practices by their music publishers or associations
http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/ [salon.com]
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100712/23482610186.shtml [techdirt.com]
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091203/1853507190.shtml [techdirt.com]
and for interest
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120323/18055718229/how-ascap-takes-money-successful-indie-artists-gives-it-to-giant-rock-stars.shtml [techdirt.com]

Sometimes the artists get no money because their music publishers instruct them not to register with the copyright agency of that country SO THAT the publisher can claim that the seller is not legitimate because the artists get no money.
http://www.transmissionentertainment.com/entry/russian_based_all_of_mp3coms_former_owner_may_see_jail_time_fines_and_a_mor/ [transmissi...inment.com]
http://allofmp3.ru/press/centre.shtml?s=994&d=66219728 [allofmp3.ru] : "Even without an agreement between ROMS and the rightsholders, it is our understanding that ROMS, in particular, has sent several letters to the major record labels inviting them to collect their royalties. Those notices have been ignored."
http://techcrunch.com/2007/07/25/former-allofmp3com-owner-faces-jail-time/ [techcrunch.com]

Sometimes it's a choice between
1. not paying
2. paying and the artist gets no money
3. paying and the artist gets no money and you support an abusive music industry
4. paying and the artist gets money and you support an abusive music industry

For mass music I opt for 2 where I can because I think it does least harm.
For less popular music I use CD-Baby and other self publishing sites or buy direct from the artist.

THE International music store (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025017)

You should check out http://thepiratebay.se/ for all your sweedish rock. I hear it's pretty popular over there.

Online music buying (3, Interesting)

aurizon (122550) | about a year ago | (#42025019)

Benefit the artist directly, as in you buy a song and the artist get a portion? None of the established music publishers, none on itunes - unless it is an artist submitted track - wherein he gets the $$, less the itunes bite. That is not to say the established music publishers do not pay their artists, they usually do, via various mechanisms - just not a direct slice from each download.
So find stuff listed by the artist, and buy those. In time the traditional publishers will fade away and all manner of created work, books, music, pictures, will involve direct purchase from the srtist via online purchase. There may be an online portal, like Amazon or itunes, but the artist will get the lion's share of the revenue. Now they get the mouses share - just a nibble.

Netflix on Ubuntu Linux! From the Linux community! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025025)

Netflix on Ubuntu Linux! (from the Linux community, anyway) non-security post

At the moment, from several sources it appears to be a clever hack or work around until the Linux community (and/or Netflix) pulls together a proper package(s).

I haven't tried this myself but I found it useful enough to post here. As usual, please consider whether or not you trust the source(s) of these package(s) and the instructions. I'm publishing this as a news item, but not a recommendation because I have not audited the method(s)/package(s) mentioned within the article(s).

- Resources:

Check the thread below @ Ubuntu Forums and the updates at IHeartUbuntu for the latest updates to this story.

Ubuntu Forums Thread with discussion on the topic:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?&t=2084592 [ubuntuforums.org]

Initial post @ iheartubuntu.com:
http://www.iheartubuntu.com/2012/11/netflix-on-ubuntu-is-here.html [iheartubuntu.com]

@ iheartubuntu.com - update #1:
http://www.iheartubuntu.com/2012/11/update-on-netflix.html [iheartubuntu.com]

@ iheartubuntu.com - update #2 (most recent as of this blog post):
Re: PPA for Netflix Desktop App
http://www.iheartubuntu.com/2012/11/ppa-for-netflix-desktop-app.html [iheartubuntu.com]

Published @ http://securityflakes.livelyblog.com/ [livelyblog.com]

The best way to find out (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025027)

The best way to find out usually is by checking the artist's website (if they have one).
Often enough you'll find links to their own download/CD store, or one they endorse.

Otherwise, yeah. Visiting concerts and buying merchandise there would be the next best ways.

Pakistani Music (3, Interesting)

ryzvonusef (1151717) | about a year ago | (#42025081)

For a sample of great Pakistani music (Legally!), visit Coke Studios:

http://www.cokestudio.com.pk/ [cokestudio.com.pk]

As for buying, try the website of a label. One of the biggest labels is FireRecords:

http://www.firerecords.com.pk/ [firerecords.com.pk]

I will post more links as I find them.

The problem is, most of the music in Pakistan is from Indie bands, who are in it more for the passion than money; for those you will have to scour youtube and other fansites.

Re:Pakistani Music (3, Informative)

ryzvonusef (1151717) | about a year ago | (#42025115)

And before you ask, yes, Pakistan has a thriving music scene, heck, quite a significant amount of popular *indian* music is actually Pakistani singers hired to sing for Indian movies.

We have everything from soft Classical to hard metal and every other shade in that gradient.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistani_music [wikipedia.org]

One of the funniest moment was when the VICE guide visited Karachi, and as a contrast to the ever present violence, they decide to hit the local music scene...

http://www.vice.com/the-vice-guide-to-travel/the-vice-guide-to-karachi-full-length [vice.com]

Re:Pakistani Music (1)

kakaburra (2508064) | about a year ago | (#42026083)

quite a significant amount of popular *indian* music is actually Pakistani singers hired to sing for Indian movies.

Dude, I've to tell you, a music is *composed* by composers, not by singers. So, the music is Indian if the composer is.

Re:Pakistani Music (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025773)

great Pakistani music

lol 'great' as in 'gouge your ears out' perhaps.

Streaming (2)

Hrshgn (595514) | about a year ago | (#42025109)

You could also use streaming services instead of downloading. Most of them come with a mobile client that can be used in offline mode.
They do pay their artists fractions of a cent for each song listened to.

To me, this kind of service is clearly the future. It's especially great to discover new music. If you listen to the same 100 tracks all the time, it's probably not cost-effective though.

Some sites I know:
http://www.deezer.com/ [deezer.com] (no software necessary, can run in a browser, offline mode with chrome, apps for iPhone and Android)
http://www.spotify.com/ [spotify.com] (never used, but they are well established in the market)

iTunes can also do something similar but I don't know their offerings.

Is your TV watching you? Latest models.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025185)

Is your TV watching you? Latest models raise concerns

Gary Merson , HD Guru , hdguru@hdguru.com

- http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/your-tv-watching-you-latest-models-raise-concerns-483619 [nbcnews.com]

"The new Samsung HDTV has hard-wired camera and microphone, plus face recognition and other unprecedented features."

"Samsungâ(TM)s 2012 top-of-the-line plasmas and LED HDTVs offer new features never before available within a television including a built-in, internally wired HD camera, twin microphones, face tracking and speech recognition. While these features give you unprecedented control over an HDTV, the devices themselves, more similar than ever to a personal computer, may allow hackers or even Samsung to see and hear you and your family, and collect extremely personal data.

While Web cameras and Internet connectivity are not new to HDTVs, their complete integration is, and it's the always connected camera and microphones, combined with the option of third-party apps (not to mention Samsung's own software) gives us cause for concern regarding the privacy of TV buyers and their friends and families.

Samsung has not released a privacy policy clarifying what data it is collecting and sharing with regard to the new TV sets. And while there is no current evidence of any particular security hole or untoward behavior by Samsung's app partners, Samsung has only stated that it "assumes no responsibility, and shall not be liable" in the event that a product or service is not "appropriate."

Samsung demoed these features to the press earlier this month. The camera and microphones are built into the top if the screen bezel in the 2012 8000-series plasmas and are permanently attached to the top of the 7500- and 8000ES-series LED TVs[1]. A Samsung representative showed how, once set up and connected to the Internet, these models will automatically talk to the Samsung cloud and enable viewers to use new and exciting apps.

These Samsung TVs locate and make note of registered viewers via sophisticated face recognition[2] software. This means if you tell the TV whose faces belong to which users in your family, it personalizes the experience to each recognized family member. If you have friends over, it could log these faces as well.

In addition, the TV listens and responds to specific voice commands. To use the feature, the microphone is active. What concerns us is the integration of both an active camera and microphone. A Samsung representative tells us you can deactivate the voice feature; however this is done via software, not a hard switch like the one you use to turn a room light on or off.

And unlike other TVs, which have cameras and microphones as add-on accessories connected by a single, easily removable USB cable, you can't just unplug these sensors.

During our demo, unless the face recognition learning feature was activated, there was no indication as to whether the camera (such as a red light) and audio mics are on. And as far as the microphone is concerned the is no way to physically disconnect it or be assured it is not picking up your voice when you donâ(TM)t intend it to do so.

Samsung does provide the ability to manually reposition the TV's camera away from viewers. The LED TV models allow you to manually point it upward, facing the ceiling; the plasmaâ(TM)s camera can be re-aimed to capture objects in the rear of the TV according a Samsung spokesperson.

Privacy concerns
We began to wonder exactly what data Samsung collects from its new âoeeyes and earsâ and how it and other companies intend use it, which raises the following questions:

Can Samsung or Samsung-authorized companies watch you watching your Samsung TV?
Do the televisions send a user ID or the TVâ(TM)s serial number to the Samsung cloud whenever it has an Internet connection?
Does Samsung cross reference a user ID or facial scan to your warranty registration information, such as name, address etc.?
Can a person or company listen to you, at will, via the microphone and Internet connection?
Does Samsungâ(TM)s cloud store all this information? How secure is this extremely personal data?
Can a hacker intercept this data or view you via the built in camera?
Can a third-party app program do any of the above?
Exactly what information does the TV send to Samsung or other parties?
Does Samsung intend to sell data collected by its Smart TV owners, such as who, what and when one is viewing?

Companies desiring to provide highly targeted advertisements to you via the TV screen or external marketing would find this data extremely valuable. âoeHey, you look a little tired, how about some Ambien? Iâ(TM)m seeing a little grey, have you tried Grecian Formula? Joe, it looks like you packed on a few pounds recently, hereâ(TM)s information from Weight Watchers. Hey kids, you look bored, look at these TOYS!â

So what, if any, privacy does Samsung promise by way of a stated policy?

Weeks have passed since we formally requested answers to these questions from Samsung asking what if any privacy assurances Samsung provides. To date no privacy statement has been furnished to HD Guru or end users. The first models with these features arrived on dealerâ(TM)s shelves over two weeks ago. All that weâ(TM)ve been told is that when connecting to the Internet, the TVs first connect to the Samsung cloud, and from there, they connect to the various streaming video services and other apps for activation.

Samsung induces its new Smart TV owners to register online by offering a free three-month extension of the TVâ(TM)s warranty. This would couple user names and addresses to their TV serial numbers, if the company so desired.

Want to read the ownerâ(TM)s manual for your new Samsung TV? This is accomplished by download, as Samsung stopped including printed ownerâ(TM)s manuals at least two years ago. However, before you may download the manual, you must first agree to the following online statement:

Samsung assumes no responsibility, and shall not be liable, in connection with whether any such products or services will be appropriate, functional or supported for the Samsung products or services available in your country.

We asked Samsung to define âoeappropriateâ but to date have not received a response. We will update readers with a response or a privacy statement if and when Samsung chooses to provide one.

Security threats
Donâ(TM)t assume a TV is an un-hackable island! Samsung does not disclose what operating system is within its TVs, therefore we cannot confirm if it is Android and/or any other that might have a prior history of hacking.

It has been widely reported Android phones have been hacked[3] allowing outside control of phones, via third party apps.

Countless companies have had their networks hacked, causing thousands of customersâ(TM) personal data to be released to the world. If this were to happen to Samsung it is theoretically possible hackers could gain access to names, addresses -- and images of the faces of entire families.

The TV has a built-in Facebook app. Can the TV make the next connection and access your Facebook account and match other viewers to their Facebook pictures for even more personal data?

A Samsung representative said the company is working on apps that will allow its Smart TV owners to turn their televisions into a silent home-security system by allowing remote viewing on a smartphone or tablet via the TVâ(TM)s built-in camera. This ability makes us ask, âoeWho else could gain access this video feed?â

There are security systems that go over the Internet, however, many are encrypted. Is any Samsungâ(TM)s data encrypted? The company doesn't say. Generally security companies let customers know when their data is encrypted, as it is a selling point.

In addition, the Samsung HDTVs come with an external infrared blaster that allows users to control a cable or satellite box via voice, gesture or the Samsung remote. We ask: does the TV send this information over to Samsungâ(TM)s cloud as well? Does Samsung now know what other equipment you have, when youâ(TM)re home to use it, what channel youâ(TM)re viewing and when?

The models with this unprecedented feature set are the 2012 8000 series plasmas PN51E8000, PN60E8000, PN64E8000 and LED models UN46ES7500, UN50ES7500, UN55ES7500, UN46ES8000, UN55ES8000, UN60ES8000 and UN65ES8000. Many of these models are now at dealers with the rest scheduled to ship within the next few weeks.

With so many questions raised and no answers provided, HD Guru recommends you weigh the possibilities and decide whether or not you care about its unknown personal privacy risks before purchasing one of these HDTVs."

[1] http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN60ES8000FXZA-features [samsung.com]
[2] http://www.samsung.com/us/2012-smart-tv/#apps [samsung.com]
[3] http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/072910-black-hat-android-hack.html [networkworld.com]

©2012 NBCNews.com

emusic.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025227)

emusic.com has had a fairly large international selection for quite a while. The service is perfectly legal and can be accessed form different countries. All files are DRM free and their search function works pretty well.

Is this a joke? (5, Interesting)

Areyoukiddingme (1289470) | about a year ago | (#42025237)

Seriously, is this a joke? First, the list of countries is a who's who of who ignores copyright. China especially is legendary for pretending the concept doesn't even exist. Second, let's say in some fantasy world, these countries decide to honor copyright, at least of their own artists. Guess what happens? They grow a tumor known as "the Music Industry."

It's a horrifying system of lies and betrayals where a corporation demands artists sign for many many albums before they will publish the first album, then loads the bill with so much random assorted bullshit that by the end of the first album, the artist owes more to the record company than their record will earn. This cycle is repeated for each album. It includes such creative accounting as astronomical studio fees, ludicrous equipment fees, and "promotion" that never actually happens at all. Then, when the artist is played out even as catalog filler, they are dismissed, never to be heard from again. If they attempt to self-promote, they discover that the record company owns everything they ever did, may even own the name under which they did it, and will not even answer the phone if they attempt to negotiate to perform their own back catalog. Contract law is enforced with draconian measures against the artists, in favor of the record company, in an asymmetrical relationship that only misses literal slavery by a hair's breadth.

But all of that pales in the face of one monstrous truth: record companies steal more from artists than consumer copyright infringement ever has or ever will, and for one simple reason: record companies steal the proceeds of actual sales from artists. They lie about the accounting, claim with a straight face that the album has never turned a profit, and pocket every dime of the income. Actual money.

Let me repeat that, because it's something that keeps getting lost in all of Slashdot's attempts to talk about copyright. Record companies steal real money from artists. Enormous amounts of it.

What do you think pays for those asymmetrical laws, and asymmetrical enforcement? Stolen money. Boatloads of it. What do you think pays for all the propaganda Slashdot is forever at pains to fight? Stolen money. Actual stolen money. Consumer copyright infringement rarely involves money changing hands. The number of dupers who charge money for copies is microscopic. Certainly all downloading, including torrenting, does not involve money. So we all know the RIAA's claims of huge amounts of money "lost" are nothing but creative lies. What we persistently forget is the huge amounts of actual money being paid to them that the artists never see.

So I ask again, is this a joke? And if not, why do you hate those countries you named? Why would you wish upon them this cultural parasite that the US has? This parasite that is so bloated, so greedy, and so entitled that it has caused international incidents in the pursuit of its own thieving ways. The police (and citizens) of New Zealand have been humiliated and shamed for knuckling under to the demands of this "industry". I put "industry" in scare quotes because you should be scared of anything that has systematically raped culture and those who create it for nigh on a century.

The answer to your question is this: the artist. ONLY the artist. No other source is legitimate. No reseller, no record company, no middleman, no matter how altruistic they claim to be now, can be trusted. Nor should they be encouraged to develop in places that aren't already subject to this scourge. This is the Information Age. Indeed, I've heard claims that we're already in the post-Information Age. Go straight to the artists. Tolerate no middlemen. They will turn into monsters before your eyes if you give them any money at all. Keep them starved, and ignore them.

How then do you find artists, you ask? Ask your friends. Seriously. This has always worked best, and always will. A lot of the affect of music on human culture is the shared experience. Though we no longer share in the experience of creating the music ourselves, as we once did, still we share in the listening. Ask your friends. Don't ask a middleman whose only interest in the proceedings is to squeeze as much money as possible out of you.

Re:Is this a joke? (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about a year ago | (#42025827)

It takes two to make a contract. Why would any artist agree to such a lopsided deal, unless they're total morons? I've had lopsided contracts dropped in my lap, with the other party waving a pen in my face expecting me to sign then and there. The big-city slickers expecting to take advantage of the rube. I walked away from the deal. Why are not these intelligent, creative people playing the role of the rube, when they should by all rights be on the other side of the fence looking down on the rubes?

Re:Is this a joke? (1)

TheDarkMaster (1292526) | about a year ago | (#42026043)

Most of the "contracts" is made in the style "or you accept everything that is there or get out", where the artist does not have a chance to negotiate. A contract is only fair when the parties have equal bargaining power, otherwise it becomes invariably a legalized extortion.

CMDR TACO WOULD KNOW !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025287)

He knows where to get the best shit !! All FREE motherfucker, FREE !! Oh, wait, legit ?? Scratch him !! CMDR TACO is as legit as republican thinktanks !! But we still love and miss the TACO !! Please come back, CMDR TACO !! All is forgiven !!

A Word of Caution (4, Interesting)

fearofcarpet (654438) | about a year ago | (#42025309)

I stumbled across an indie artist from Uruguay on a late-night radio show and wanted to throw a couple of bucks his way. I went to his band's website and followed the link to a legitimate online retailer for indie artists in Uruguay. The next thing I knew, weird charges started showing up on my credit card--e.g., someone in France started a WoW account, someone in the Ukraine started making a bunch of in-game purchases for online games, etc. Even though it was a "legit" site linked to by the artist with the proceeds going to the artist, either it was a front for stealing credit card numbers or had terrible security. Either way it was a PITA and not at all worth the album.

DOWNLOADING isn't illegal. RIAA keeping revenue is (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025315)

The acts of DOWNLOADING music are not unlawful ("illegal").

Whether the store benefits the actor DIRECTLY (i.e. he/she gets cash), INDIRECTLY (i.e. he/she may get cash/recognition), CONSEQUENTIONALLY (i.e. he/she will not get cash/ but the featuring of the works in the store will be positive to them) or will be BUTFUCKRAPED (i.e. the store gives the proceeds to RIAA / MPAA and the artists get nothing)... is not something you CAN or ARE able to determine.

Do your best to Do The Right Thing. While your question makes sense, and if I may, re-interpreting you ask "Hey I want to get some music, and I am going to spend money on it, how do I make sure it gets to the artists?' -- the real problem is the artists have signed indenture contracts so that they are slaves to these organizations and you CAN'T help them.

So Do The Right Thing. Download what you think benefits the artists. It's then up to the artists to do their part and reach across the divide and get those funds, and free themselves from their piece of shit slavemasters at the RIAA/MPAA.

E

Legal (over there) Legal (to import) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025333)

I've country-hopped quite a bit. One thing that non-travellers don't always realize is that the fact that you can buy something "over there" does not mean that you can bring it back with you... Legal vendors abroad do not equal legal imports to your jurisdiction. We are more conscious of how it is true for physical goods (even though you can buy marijuana in the Netherlands, you can't bring it back with you), but we are not as conscious of how it applies to IP. With the type of local music the OP suggests, it doesn't immediately seem like content downloading would be prohibited for IP purposes (small labels, indie artists, etc.); however you never know what the US government might block for content purposes.
In practice though, it would be shrugged off by any officials, because no one would choose to follow up on the matter, so it tends not to be a matter of "legitimate sales".

YUO FAIL IT... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025377)

whe7her to repeat NIGGER AsSOCIATION

Legit music (1)

xsundeep (2776945) | about a year ago | (#42025397)

Between spotify (paid) for streaming, and eMusic.com for DRM free MP3s, I can get about 98% of the music I'm looking for.

eMusic does NOT roll over unused minutes, I read someplace they use it to cover other artist-related costs (no citation available)

They have things ranging from megastars like Oumou Sangare from Mali to the Polyphonic voices of Sardinia, and South Asian classical music to Tuvan throatsinging via Shona mbira.

I have no connection with either company, I just like them both a lot. Not as much as I like RainX, but pretty darned close.

Music is overrated (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025413)

You people take music way too seriously.

Please note (0)

Pope Raymond Lama (57277) | about a year ago | (#42025489)

There is actually very little correlation between being "legit" and benefiting the artist. The vry statement "legit and benefit the artist" imply in buying one of the bigest lies of the current system.

Re:Please note (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42026087)

There is actually very little correlation between being "legit" and benefiting the artist. The vry statement "legit and benefit the artist" imply in buying one of the bigest lies of the current system.

If there's little correlation between them, there must exist sites which fulfil both, unless there's either no "legit" source at all, or none at all benefits the artist. Because if there exist both "legit" sites and sites benefiting the artist, but no "legit" sites benefiting the artist, the two properties are maximally correlated (in that they exclude each other).

gubemusic.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025587)

Check out http://www.gubemusic.com/. It's a webshop selling music in FLAC format. A bigger share than usual goes to the artists, and the site is run by an artist, Norwegian Jazz musician Bugge Wesseltoft, together with a Free Software company. The catalogue consists mostly of jazz and world music, but also contains rock, indie and other genres.

Flipkart - in India (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025739)

Flipkart [ flipkart.com ] recently launched a pretty decent music store. For Indian titles, it should do quite well.

Indian Site for independent musicians (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025941)

http://www.oklisten.com
This is a recently launched Site. They work with the artists directly. Their payout is 70 percent to the artist on a monthly basis.
The collection is small but good. Different genres and definitely legit.

Hipsters. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025943)

"What I'm listening to? You've probably never heard of it, but it's fair trade music from Chad and Iceland that is only available by mail-order direct from the artists, who live on a decommissioned Soviet military barge on patrol in the Arctic Sea. I have to send my personal cheques by pigeon and they put the CDs into buoys for my personal assistant to pick up in the North Sea currents."

jamendo.org for pure free licensed indie (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42025955)

Try jamendo.org for free and indie downloads
Its under creative commons
Its huge
Its free
Its as good as mainstream

Does "want to buy" = "ONLY want downloads"? (1)

Zontar_Thing_From_Ve (949321) | about a year ago | (#42026085)

If by saying you "want to buy" music you really mean that ONLY downloads are acceptable, I cannot help you at all.

If you are willing to buy audio CDs, then the following are legitimate sellers for 2 of the countries in your list.
1) Chinese music can be bought at http://www.yesasia.com./ [www.yesasia.com] I've bought from them for years and they do not sell any bootlegged product. Period. "Chinese music" includes just about anything sold in mainland China plus Hong Kong and Taiwan. There's also http://www.amazon.cn/ [amazon.cn] but I've never bought anything from them and can't really offer any guidelines on how easy/difficult it is to use their website or what kind of selection they have. I think it has an English interface, but you'll find YesAsia much easier to deal with. YesAsia also sells books and movies for those interested in such things. I mostly buy movies from them.
2) For Brazilian music you can deal with http://www.somlivre.com.br/ [somlivre.com.br] who also does not sell anything bootlegged and they also sell movies and Portuguese language books.
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