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Linux Mint 14 Is Out

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the new-and-shiny dept.

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New submitter medge_42 sends words that Linux Mint 14 has been released. Check out their list of features and release notes to see what's new. One version uses MATE 1.4, which includes some long-needed bug fixes as well as functional bluetooth and mate-keyring, its own character map, fast alt-tabbing, and improvements to Caja. The other version uses Cinnamon 1.6, which contains a huge number of fixes and new features including its own file browser, persistent workspaces and a window quicklist to go with them, a notifications applet, an improved sound applet, and alt-tab graphical improvements. MDM now supports legacy GDM 2 themes and userlists, and has improved user switching. Gedit 2.30 has replaced Gedit 3, and MintStick replaces USB-ImageWriter.

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Good but... (2)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about a year ago | (#42051817)

I still find that for sheer ability to work on nearly any system and those with minimal resources, it's an excellent idea to keep a Mint 10 LXDE live DVD laying around. Darn thing will run on just about anything. It's practically become my new Knoppix.

Re:Good but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42051923)

Why would the newer versions be less capable?

Re:Good but... (4, Insightful)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about a year ago | (#42051957)

Why would the newer versions be less capable?

New versions are all fine except for the problem of BLOAT

Re:Good but... (1)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about a year ago | (#42055945)

Wrong, you get a newer Firefox that puts a lower load on the CPU, and various crappy bugs in the Xorg server, the file manager or damn anything are fixed. Drivers improve, sometimes even on older hardware, sometimes not at all. You're always fine if you're at least running pentium 3 level hardware.

Re:Good but... (1)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about a year ago | (#42055965)

edit : damn, I should have made clear that you need to run Mint 12 LXDE if you want something really lightweight, else Mint 13 Xfce (will get a 14 version) and Mint 13/14 Mate are great as well and don't require silly shit like OpenGL for windows management.

Re:Good but... (4, Interesting)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | about a year ago | (#42052029)

They tend to require more resources. Also, newer versions of drivers aren't as throughly tested on old hardware and can act very funny. Believe it or not, getting any modern Linux distro to run well on my old Athlon XP is actually a bit of a challenge (video and usb ports can be particularly problematic). And now, with llvmpipe being en vogue (the only thing it renders on slower machines is them unusable), things are worsening rapidly. Also, older ditros fit on CDs and lots of old machines don't even have DVD drives. Having said that, my favorite course of action on slower machines is Debian stable, with select packages from testing or unstable (which is getting harder to do, for some reason - it's very annoying and unexplicable when apt won't update hplip without pulling gnome-shell).

Re:Good but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42052659)

Well, Athlon XP is essentially double-porked thanks to the Flash debacle. I'm in the middle of shifting my old boxes to P4 and Nvidia.

So what's the trouble with USB? I'm not finding any with these P4s and U12.04. Oldest is 2003. Wouldn't have thought they'd handle that differently.

Bodhi is better at that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42051969)

I've found Bodhi Linux to require even fewer CPU resources (but a bit more RAM) as the compositor in e17 is far more efficient than other X compositors. Zero crashes in the WM for me on 2.1.0.

when I saw there were 10 comments on this article I thought to myself: there are that many people running Mint? And all of them are on /. ?

Re:Bodhi is better at that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42052025)

Oh pshaw.

Mint overtook Ubuntu as the most popular distro - all flavors vs. all flavors - a few months ago. Although I dunno if it's still leading. Don't really care. It's good. That's what I care about.

Don't care much about utilizing old machines, either - 4 Gig of RAM on at least a dual core is great for any Mint flavor, and if I have to use hardware that's older than that it means older applications too, so I'll install Win98SE or XP.

Quite the reversal of circumstances, isn't it? Heh.

Re:Bodhi is better at that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42052451)

[citation needed]

Re:Bodhi is better at that (1)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about a year ago | (#42056013)

I never run a compositor so I guess this requires even fewer CPU resources. Really, I like black backgrounds on my terminals fine.

Re:Good but... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42052147)

live DVD laying around.

Lying around. Lying.

Let's not corrupt the English language through laziness

Re:Good but... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42053335)

Bet you never get lyed!

Re:Good but... (2)

DickBreath (207180) | about a year ago | (#42055213)

live DVD laying around.

Lying around. Lying

It may not be corruption of the language. It may simply be evolution of the language. Language changes over time. Speakers choose the most suitable word for their porpoises. If you suggest otherwise then you are laying.

Full disc encryption (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42051825)

unfortunately, still no native full disc encryption...

Re:Full disc encryption (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42052101)

Re:Full disc encryption (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42052939)

Needs to be part of the install, a single checkbox option. Probably the only good thing about the latest Ubuntu really.

Re:Full disc encryption (2, Interesting)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year ago | (#42053729)

You know the full-disk encryption in Ubuntu stores the passphrase in cleartext on sector 0x7Gh on the hard disk, don't you?

Re:Full disc encryption (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#42053751)

You are not supposed to put both '0x' and 'h' to indicate a hex number.

Re:Full disc encryption (1)

fibonacci8 (260615) | about a year ago | (#42054929)

That's not a hex number, that's his signing key in cleartext.

Amazing! (1)

zooblethorpe (686757) | about a year ago | (#42057665)

You are not supposed to put both '0x' and 'h' to indicate a hex number.

That's not a hex number, that's his signing key in cleartext.

That's amazing! I've got the same combination on my luggage!

:-P

If only... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42051827)

I wish these guys were in charge of gnome. Talk about getting it.

Re:If only... (1)

rtfa-troll (1340807) | about a year ago | (#42052213)

I wish these guys were in charge of gnome. Talk about getting it.

A quick question; why can't I have both mate and cinnamon installed on the same system. I'd have thought that was the most obvious gnome stupidity to get rid of?

Re:If only... (1)

RDW (41497) | about a year ago | (#42053715)

A quick question; why can't I have both mate and cinnamon installed on the same system.

You probably can. A major reason for renaming everything in MATE was to allow co-existence with Gnome 3-based systems (which would include Cinnamon). You'll get one from the installation media, and can install the other from the repositories, then choose which you want to run at login time. However, each is a complete desktop (MATE rather more so) so you probably only need one.

Re:If only... (2)

number6x (626555) | about a year ago | (#42053773)

You can

You pick which desktop environment to use at login. Your choice becomes the default so you don't have to choose every time you log in.

Re:If only... (1)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about a year ago | (#42056091)

You also get duplicated entries in Preferences etc. (well, those seem to come from me installing LXDE, Cinnamon only put a shortcut to a control panel). also I'm running Mate, which uses nautilus 2.x (renamed) caja for the desktop window, but the default file manager has changed to Nautilus 3.x. I could change the desktop file manager to Nautilus 3.x in gconf-editor or something, but I reverted back, dunno why (I guess I didn't want to re-arrange the icons)

Horray ! (2)

Celarent Darii (1561999) | about a year ago | (#42051835)

So many volunteers and so many packages - just thanks everyone for another release !

Re:Horray ! (1)

hihihihi (940800) | about a year ago | (#42053309)

seconded.

Great many thanks to Mint team for this. Had used 3-4 major linux distros before, but after first try with mint, no going back :)

Re:Horray ! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42053861)

Yes, yes! Let us celebrate all the new stuff that mostly works, almost, most of the time, if you squint a little bit. Let us celebrate all the new bugs that are added in order to keep the old and still unfixed bugs with company. The more the merrier!

Woah cowboy.. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42051857)

14 major releases in 6 years, of one flavor of Linux, and it's no wonder few consider the Linux desktop "ready" for the populace. I'm actually beginning to think the power-geeks really, truly, don't actually want the masses using Linux, because then they won't feel quite as elite.

Build it and they will come.. but not if they have to renovate every 6 months.

LTS (3, Informative)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about a year ago | (#42051945)

For production machines, you would use the Long Term Support version, which currently comes with 5 years of support.

So what? Ubuntu has been around 8 years. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42051989)

For most people it has been 3 major releases in 8 years. 6.06, 8.04, 10.04, and 12.04. You can expect another major release in nearly 2 years. Plus the variations of Ubuntu like Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc which are the same distribution but with a different set of default packages. You can grab mini.iso and pick through every variant on a large list if you want.

Re:Woah cowboy.. (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about a year ago | (#42052059)

I couldn't agree with you more!

Besides the terrible gui that supports multitasking and the ability for us to think for ourselves and choose what we want, is having something younger than 11 years old! That means change and we can't have any of that. Just ask any (l)user at work? THey will tell you IE 7, and XP work just fine thank you very much.

What we need is the console with a green color as the background just like in 2001. We just type startx or ./xf86config and manually enter the monitors horizontal and vertical frequencies (careful not to fry your CRT bigscreen) and then xdm choose either fvwm or gnome-shell with a custom script that prevents the ability of having more than one window open at a time. That way we could be sooo hip and cutting edge or hate change and everyone is happy.

Before you know it these new folks will tell us it is a good idea to upgrade your OS and run apt-get update. The nerve! We do not have all our Windows Server 2003 locked at May 28th 2009 (no updates afterwards) for DerpCRM so our 1 guy can just put out fires all day and not run the whole IT department. Pffft it is a cost center and I am glad all our financial trading is on such a critical platform that handles 15 trillion in dollars. Kids today l...

It aint broke just leave them and never touch them because our accountant said so in 2006 when Vista came out so this means any updated software after that is bad and will cause financial ruin and collapse the whole world economy. ... going back to my Redhat 6.2 box.

Re:Woah cowboy.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42052609)

Your post is very amusing, thanks for the laughs. :) None of that addresses the fact that the kernel guys can't stop screwing with critical internals every month, or the fact that most Linux software written more than a year ago is no longer able to be compiled unless you happen to have copies of old or outdated libraries (many of which are replaced or superceded because they're unstable and/or buggy). My point wasn't to diss Linux as an OS - I use three different flavors and work and love it as a development environment - my point was that until these folks can get it stable and consistent for more than a lunar mont, with a consistent API for all interfaces that doesn't get changed between flavors and releases, we won't get a popular Linux desktop. As awful as writing COM/Win32 may be, at least I can still write the same code today that I wrote 12 years ago and get exactly the same result (aesthetic differences aside).

Re:Woah cowboy.. (1)

Dr Max (1696200) | about a year ago | (#42052853)

Having everyone use linux would need big changes. If the masses can't figure out how to use an os themselves within about 10 seconds they start rioting, anything remotely confusing would have to be deeply hidden (so they don't accidentally open command prompt and freak out), and good luck getting them to customize anything that isn't the simplest of GUI. The Linux crowd aren't paid enough to put up with those people, let apple or maybe MS do it.

Re:Woah cowboy.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42053539)

A requirement for the masses to figure out the OS themselves within about 10 seconds require that the OS is actually ready for the masses. When a fresh install is broken to begin with and the poor user is told to open a terminal by "support" in order to fix their fresh install how can you blame them for opening a terminal and freaking out?

Just go to the support forums of Ubuntu, Mint, etc, and see what sort of problems people have to deal with on *fresh installs*!

It's a big difference between having to deal with something that "just works" and something that "just works after you spent 3 weeks fixing it which included reinstalling it 4 times". Things can't be broken out of the box.

Re:Woah cowboy.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42053651)

Here's something that was a problem in 2010:
http://www.question-defense.com/2010/06/03/ubuntu-10-4-eth0-not-available-rtl-81398139c8139c-rev-10

and is still a problem today:
https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-nettool/+question/214707

Re:Woah cowboy.. (1)

Dr Max (1696200) | about a year ago | (#42053709)

Things can be broken out of the box providing it's easy enough for the person to fix (and be the right price). I may have been a bit harsh on the masses, i appreciate an OS that works well easily as well, i just don't think linux will ever be like that (without great changes that would remove what linux holds dear). It's very powerful in the right hands, but usually the people that need/want that kind of power have the right hands any way.

So outdated! (5, Funny)

Billly Gates (198444) | about a year ago | (#42051869)

It has too many things that help content creation. The gui supports the mouse, gives you the ability to change it, and worse lets you have more than one Windows open at a time!

Screw that. Where is the crappy cell phone interface? I want to be hip and have my productivity limited so I can save 10 whole pixels on my 27 inch dual screens and tweet to my friends, which is why I purchased my Icore7 extreme edition! Now I can read a document and cut and paste things into another app at the same time which is sooo 2000s.

This is too technical to get my brain around Mate and this whole concept of multitasking that I need my shiny things back. Going back to WIndows 8.

Re:So outdated! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42051965)

+1 funny

That was some very effective sarcasm, and very effective in highlighting the things mint is doing right that other platforms are really messing up.

Go Mint Team Go!

Re:So outdated! (1)

BrookHarty (9119) | about a year ago | (#42052155)

No doubt. You have dual 27 inch monitors you really want that MP3 on the lock screen! You also want to run all your apps in full screen, you have 2 monitors, 1 app per screen. Functionality and user friendly interfaces died at gnome 2, its gnome 3 and unity baby. The future is NOW!. Don't you read the gnome3 blogs?!?

Looks tempting .. (5, Insightful)

blackpaw (240313) | about a year ago | (#42051875)

Ramblings ...

I love my KDE 4.9x/Kubuntu 12.10 install except for the flakiness that the poxy virtuoso/nepomuk/akonadi brings to it. Thats what I find attractive about the gnome derivatives - they haven't bet the farm on integrating their environments with the buggy unstable CPU hogging piece of crap that is nepomuk/virtuoso.

But I find gnome unattractive compared to KDE and I dislike Unity & Gnome Shell. But I do like where Cinnamon is going and this latest rev looks quite good.

If only I could find a decent gnome based Pim - I love Kontact, when its not being ass reamed by nepomuk/virtuoso. Thunderbird is getting creaky, Evolution is OK but not as slick as Kontact.

Re:Looks tempting .. (0)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | about a year ago | (#42052063)

You're running KDE without deactivating nepomuk and akonadi? Are you trying to turn into the Hulk or something? If you're not, just go to System Settings and nuke them, for christ's sake. If you are, though, might I recommend Bit.Trip Runner? Great game for inducing murderous rage. In the words of Gandhi: "FUCK! I JUMPED, YOU FUCKEEEER!"

Re:Looks tempting .. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42052131)

Disabling akonadi disables kontact, unfortunately

Re:Looks tempting .. (5, Funny)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | about a year ago | (#42053831)

Disabling akonadi disables kontact, unfortunately

Parrots are not the only fruit, apparently.

Greetings, comrade. Your code phrase has been authenticated. Proceed to the safe house for debriefing.

Re:Looks tempting .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42056357)

Proceed to the safe house for debriefing

No need to enter the safe house for that... any TSA line should do.

Re:Looks tempting .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42053007)

What the fuck is nepomuk and akonadi? Am I the only one who remembers the time when apps/daemons/subsystems/whatever the fuck they are actually had a meaningful name that let you at least guess what their purpose is?

Re:Looks tempting .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42053815)

Nepomuk and Akonadi are two gremlins that hide inside each KDE install. If you don't fight them fiercely they will come and eat your lunch.

Re:Looks tempting .. (1)

CosaNostra Pizza Inc (1299163) | about a year ago | (#42054867)

Unity was my biggest complaint with Ubuntu. Cinnamon is awesome. I've been using version 1.6 of Cinnamon on Ubuntu 12.04 for a few months. This weekend I will make a full transition to Mint 14 Maya (Cinnamon). I used to be a big fan of KDE before 4.0 came out...Maybe some day I'll check it out again.

upgrade? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42051915)

can you upgrade a mint 13 system?

Re:upgrade? (4, Informative)

MurukeshM (1901690) | about a year ago | (#42052023)

Not directly, since the upgrade tool packaged is for Ubuntu, and well create a horrible mix of Ubuntu Quantal and Mint 13 if used (if it even worked at all). There are alternate instructions provided at http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/2 [linuxmint.com]

Re:upgrade? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42053403)

Why upgrade? Reinstall and copy /home!

Re:upgrade? (4, Informative)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#42053975)

Better yet, keep system and home on separate partitions. Then you just only reformat the system partition during reinstall.

I don't get it... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42052045)

On this day in history thousands of new versions of software were released.
Many of them far cooler, way more interesting and useful than this one.

But only a special few get a story here on slashdot. Mostly linux flavors that only a minority care about at all.
Even among the extreme minority of linux users on the site. Let alone the planet...

It's.... stupid.
Stop being stupid!

Re:I don't get it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42052109)

Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware version 10.0 is out. Oh, and Planetside 2 F2P.

Re:I don't get it... (2)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#42053997)

On this day in history thousands of new versions of software were released.
Many of them far cooler, way more interesting and useful than this one.

If you have found something even cooler, you must submit them as articles to Slashdot. Ever noticed that "xxxxx writes" in beginning of each article? That's how stuff gets published here.

Coming from a Windows background (2)

Shemmie (909181) | about a year ago | (#42052219)

I am loving Mint. I had a look at Mint 13 a while ago, and Ubuntu 12.10. I downloaded the Mint 14 RC a few nights ago.

And I liked what I saw enough to dive into something Linux-ie on my desktop. And I decided I prefer KDE for my desktop. And I prefer regular updates to big version changes, so I opted for LMDE KDE. I actually stuck around long enough to have an opinion on gnome vs KDE. The KDE menu is awesome - like a highly customizable version of the Windows 7 Start - very impressed.

So I'm dual booting Windows 8 and Mint - and Mint is getting a lot more use at the moment. In fact, if I could just find a way to get the bloody Steam beta to install on Mint, I'd spend even more time there. But I know it will come as they sort things out.

Mate on Mint = Awesome (4, Interesting)

BrookHarty (9119) | about a year ago | (#42052331)

I switched to Mint when Ubuntu forced Gnome 3/Unity on me. Been extremely happy except one big issue. Mate uses GTK 2 but newer apps use GTK 3, so you get stuck in this world of mixed themes that looks bad. Found a nice gtk 2/3 clearlooks compatible theme, so I end up with Mate DM with GTK 3 apps looking normal again. Best thing, Compiz still works...

While I'm very grateful of what Canonical has done for the Linux community and have paid for services and software to show my support, I cant take the design choices or direction the company has went seriously. Gnome 3 has chosen a new direction, one that I don't need or want. Ubuntu is embracing that direction.

Mint right now is the best balance I can find out there. Keeps the popular Ubuntu base, but with Mint or Cinnamon DE which is hands down superior to Gnome 3 for the desktop.

Re:Mate on Mint = Awesome (2)

mrbluze (1034940) | about a year ago | (#42052473)

Mint right now is the best balance I can find out there. Keeps the popular Ubuntu base, but with Mint or Cinnamon DE which is hands down superior to Gnome 3 for the desktop.

I agree, in most cases Mint is the best general purpose Linux distro out there at the moment, and it is very slick indeed. The problem is that Windows has produced an OS that looks stupid now, but the strategy is there because it is clear that displays intended for interaction are all going to be multitouch. It is just too easy to do now to not consider it standard in the future.

I am waiting and waiting for the Linux community to come to this realization that desktop linux has to take into account a mouseless touch-screen userbase that is set to grow rapidly, especially once GNU/Linux distros appear on more tablet PC's.

Re:Mate on Mint = Awesome (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42052693)

I am waiting and waiting for the Linux community to come to this realization that desktop linux has to take into account a mouseless touch-screen userbase that is set to grow rapidly, especially once GNU/Linux distros appear on more tablet PC's.

As long as they don't abandon us mouse+keyboard users entirely like Microsoft is trying to do. Windows 8 is the main reason why I even considered switching to Mint.

Re:Mate on Mint = Awesome (1)

mrbluze (1034940) | about a year ago | (#42052915)

I am waiting and waiting for the Linux community to come to this realization that desktop linux has to take into account a mouseless touch-screen userbase that is set to grow rapidly, especially once GNU/Linux distros appear on more tablet PC's.

As long as they don't abandon us mouse+keyboard users entirely like Microsoft is trying to do. Windows 8 is the main reason why I even considered switching to Mint.

If history is a guide, they won't abandon you!

Re:Mate on Mint = Awesome (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42053001)

The phrase "Jack of all trades, master of none." comes to mind.

Just look at Unity and Windows 8... sorry, I just threw up in my mouth a little.
You need to have one interface for mouse+keyboard and one for touch, you can't have the same for both.

Re:Mate on Mint = Awesome (2)

Raumkraut (518382) | about a year ago | (#42053349)

I am waiting and waiting for the Linux community to come to this realization that desktop linux has to take into account a mouseless touch-screen userbase that is set to grow rapidly, especially once GNU/Linux distros appear on more tablet PC's.

Where have you been these past couple of years? Gnome 3? Unity? KDE Plasma Active?

Re:Mate on Mint = Awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42057477)

> I am waiting and waiting for the Linux community to come to this realization that desktop linux has to take into account a mouseless touch-screen userbase that is set to grow rapidly, especially once GNU/Linux distros appear on more tablet PC's.

I would have no problem with a "tablet edition" linux distribution, but the problem I see with Ubuntu right now (and why I kicked it to the curb) is that it is optimized for an experience that doesn't fit my hardware or use case. Why would I install a tablet-optimized OS on my laptop or desktop PC? I use these devices primarily for content creation (programming, graphics, presentations, etc), where I need a mouse and keyboard and a high-resolution screen. On a tablet I can watch movies and browse the web.

Maybe Canonical and Microsoft are on to something, but I don't get it. And in case you were wondering, yes I use vi.

Re:Mate on Mint = Awesome (2)

Waccoon (1186667) | about a year ago | (#42053055)

Mate uses GTK 2 but newer apps use GTK 3, so you get stuck in this world of mixed themes that looks bad.

That is not a big issue. It's a feature. A big issue would be old stuff (GTK 2) not working at all, which seems to becoming the norm with other OSes these days.

Re:Mate on Mint = Awesome (1)

Captain_Chaos (103843) | about a year ago | (#42053885)

Been extremely happy except one big issue. Mate uses GTK 2 but newer apps use GTK 3, so you get stuck in this world of mixed themes that looks bad.

According to the site [linuxmint.com]:

Special attention was given to Mint-X and its support for GTK3.6 to make GTK3 applications look native and integrate well with the rest of the desktop.

So perhaps Mint 14 will solve this problem for you?

There will also be KDE version soon (1)

aglider (2435074) | about a year ago | (#42052763)

Read here [linuxmint.com]!

Release all together (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year ago | (#42053757)

I wish they'd wait until all the DE versions are ready, and release them all simultaneously. Also, if they are supporting XFCE and LXDE, wish they'd add Razor-qt support as well

Re:There will also be KDE version soon (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42053927)

What surprises me is that they have so many versions, similar to Ubuntu. Debian has tasksel, you can select pre-defined bundles of packages when installing it. You don't get different OSs or different versions of the OS by choosing different desktop managers, what you get is the same OS with diffent desktop managers, and those are just packages, like all other software in the distribution. Why are they so keen on misinforming people about that?

Supports four monitors (1)

cruachan (113813) | about a year ago | (#42053147)

Anyone know if this... or any other debian distro... can support 4 monitors? I run Ubuntu on most of my machines, but my main desktop has a motherboard with dual graphics cards and four (large) monitors. I'm running windows 7 which allows me a nice continuous desktop with all the eye candy, but I'd like to move to a debian based distro (I'm agnostic over what UI I use) but when I tried this 6 months ago with Ubuntu 12.04 and the corresponding Kubuntu/MiNT variants none would support 4 monitors without sever limitations.

Re:Supports four monitors (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42053503)

every distro supports four monitors..

Re:Supports four monitors (1)

evilad (87480) | about a year ago | (#42055503)

I've had good success with 3 dissimilar monitors (small-wide-small) on Ubuntu 12.04 / fglrx. The irritations are pretty minor, and mostly involve the occasional dropdown dialog or maximize operation not going to the expected screen.

Re:Supports four monitors (1)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about a year ago | (#42056473)

You probably need two graphics card from the same vendor and able to run the same driver - and have it supported. When I tried two graphics card I had two X11 graphical sessions runnings, with different panel settings, I could move the cursor from one screen to another but couldn't move windows around.

Re:Supports four monitors (1)

cruachan (113813) | about a year ago | (#42057649)

Yes, that's exactly my setup, a pair of identical graphics cards... on a twin PCIe motherboard. It's just really frustrating, I'd love to dump windows but linux seems so far behind on this (and you wouldn't have thought 3+ monitors was that unusual among geeks)

Progress! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42053445)

All the bugs of Mint 13 + a lot of new ones!

Like what they do; although not the non-free stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42053607)

I like the user interface developments they are working on and how they partnered with ThinkPenguin for hardware. It's one of the few companies which gets the problems in the hardware ecosystem. It's about time somebody realized free software has its advantages and refuse to ship stuff dependent on proprietary software. Of course Linux Mint includes non-free software too which is the only downside that I see. Maybe the option to install a free kernel without non-free drivers/firmware and a warning about purchasing such hardware and the disadvantages. I'd probably be in heaven then.

Or they could do two versions with one being called “Linux Mint: Designed for Crap” and the other being called “Linux Mint: Designed for Freedom”.

Liberated software (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year ago | (#42053785)

Trisquel, Dyne:bolic and GNewSense are all based on Ubuntu, just like Mint is, but are Libre distros. So take any of them, which will give you your Libre kernel and then take a Mint DVD and then install all the liberated stuff you find there to that base system. Should give ya the same thing. Of course, had Mint put what you sanctimoniously called 'Designed for Crap' out there, the FSF wouldn't endorse them - just see their approach to Debian, which all this is based off in the first place.

Cinnamon on Ubuntu (2)

dmt0 (1295725) | about a year ago | (#42053777)

I installed Cinnamon on Ubuntu 12.10 through a PPA and I'm liking it a lot. Is there any reason why I would want to switch from this setup over to the actual Mint?

Re:Cinnamon on Ubuntu (3, Interesting)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#42054061)

Good question and it brings up a point which I have been wondering. Why was Mint released as a complete distribution and not just a collection of packages for Ubuntu? They could have released the tasty bits (Cinnamon, MATE) only as PPAs, no need to duplicate the whole Ubuntu base.

Re:Cinnamon on Ubuntu (2)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#42054991)

Because I totally want to give random PPAs root access to my machines.

I trust an actual distro used by large numbers of people far more than a PPA few have ever heard of.

Re:Cinnamon on Ubuntu (3, Insightful)

CosaNostra Pizza Inc (1299163) | about a year ago | (#42055125)

I am currently using Ubuntu 12.04 with Cinnamon (through PPA). I plan to replace all this with Mint 14 Maya (Cinnamon) this weekend. I've heard it's not just the choice in DEs that sets Mint apart from Ubuntu. Ubuntu only provides free open-source packages in its software library (along with some optional non-free proprietary stuff). Mint supposedly provides most of the Ubuntu open-source packages, plus the option to install free proprietary software. This sounds appealing to me because I have to use Oracle Java for a lot of software dev. I usually end up installing Java straight from Oracle's web site because I don't trust 3rd party ppa. So, on Mint, I'm assuming, I can install packages for Oracle Java and other stuff directly from Mint's repository.

Re:Cinnamon on Ubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42056517)

Mint was around -- and quite popular -- long before the gnome 3 fiasco. It seems like nobody realizes this. The original goal was simply to provide a more "out of the box" experience than stock ubuntu, for example by including proprietary codecs in the base install. The idea was that a new user wouldn't have to mess around trying to install the flash plugin (for example); it was already there and just worked. Cinnamon and mate are the next evolution of mint.

Re:Cinnamon on Ubuntu (1)

dnixx (2753817) | about a year ago | (#42055301)

By installing Mint you'd get:

* mintUpdate: Mint's update manager which lets you categorize packages into different levels depending on how "dangerous"/unstable they are. Eg. level 5 packages ("dangerous packages") can be excluded from the update. Screenshot: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Mintupdate.png [wikimedia.org]
* mintInstall: Mint's software manager which features a lot of crappy reviews written by users.
* MDM Display Manager: Themable and based on GDM 2.20
* Nemo: Mint's file manager, forked from Nautilus 3.4 because "Nautilus 3.6 is a catastrophe" according to the Mint/Nemo team.
* Some non-free packages (drivers, codecs) are included by default ... and some other stuff.

I switched directly from Fedora to Mint a couple of months ago and didn't see the need for Ubuntu.

Does it still use Nouveau? (1)

sadler121 (735320) | about a year ago | (#42054719)

So can you boot this version with a newish nvidia card? Cause last time I checked, it used nouveau as default, which fails massively for any newer nvidia cards. All I get it a screen with white blocks. Why linux distros insist on using an alpha video card driver to boot the system for the first time is beyond me.

Doesn't it make sense to use a generic one that will work with everything and then let the person choose to install the alpha one (or propitiatory one)?

Very polished release (1)

bwat47 (2778797) | about a year ago | (#42055355)

I am really liking Mint 14/Cinnamon so far, which surprised me since I never particularly liked mint or cinnamon when I tried them in the past. Mint 13 with cinnamon just seemed kind of buggy and unpolished to me. Linux mint 14 just works perfectly for me, one of the best out of the box linux experiences I've ever had. They fixed a ton of issues in cinnamon 1.6 and added some useful features. Cinnamon has now become my preferred DE. I really like that cinnamon maintains a sane interface, while being built on the modern gnome-shell/mutter base; so its got solid and well integrated compositing and useful features like scale out of the box (and compiz has always been buggy for me, so I'm always glad when I can avoid it). Cinnamon maintains a good balance between customizability, features, eye candy, and polish.
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