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Uh huh. (5, Funny)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | about a year and a half ago | (#42067799)

And some are separated by less.

Re:Uh huh. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42067927)

The difference is certainly not in the gene allowing us to throw chairs.

Re:Uh huh. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068063)

I was gonna says it's the Hy-gene, but ...you're right.
Damn smelly geeks

Re:Uh huh. (5, Funny)

H0p313ss (811249) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068065)

Oook?

Re:Uh huh. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068127)

Barack? Is that you?

Re:Uh huh. (-1, Offtopic)

H0p313ss (811249) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068179)

Barack? Is that you?

UMADBRO?

Re:Uh huh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068381)

No, it's not [lspace.org] .
You know, if you read a book or two and try really hard, some day you might acquire something akin to real wit.

Re:Uh huh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068757)

Says the guy who links to a wiki about the most unwitty, unclever and unintelligent works of fiction ever made.

British "humor" isn't witty, it's corny and passe.

Re:Uh huh. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068811)

Too true Gods an English man and he designed Americans

Re:Uh huh. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068169)

yeah, blacks

Re:Uh huh. (5, Insightful)

pitchpipe (708843) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068691)

yeah, blacks

No. Racists: If ever there was a more ignorant, backward way of thinking than racism, it'd be done by something that lived in a slime mold at the bottom of a swamp. But then again, I think that I've just insulted things that live in slime molds.

Re:Uh huh. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068807)

spoken like a bitter nig

Re:Uh huh. (5, Insightful)

war4peace (1628283) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068229)

After watching human beings for over 3 decades, that gene is rare. Very rare.

Re:Uh huh. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068815)

After watching human beings for over 3 decades, that gene is rare. Very rare.

Ditto, but I'm sure there must be another intermediary gene. It's the only way to explain Republicans.

Re:Uh huh. (1)

Forty Two Tenfold (1134125) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068379)

FEWER

Re:Uh huh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068455)

Must be the GOD gene.

Re:Uh huh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068475)

Can we call this the "Stallone Gene"?

Re:Uh huh. (1)

TeknoHog (164938) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068763)

In some cases, they are separated by a few micrometers of rubber.

Re:Uh huh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068841)

You don't mean AFRICANS, surely. LOL.

The gene position, of course, is (2)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year and a half ago | (#42067803)

501

Re:The gene position, of course, is (3, Funny)

pushing-robot (1037830) | about a year and a half ago | (#42067821)

To be pedantic, there are actually a pair of genes at that location.

Re:The gene position, of course, is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068019)

More than that, if they're right, then introducing that gene into other species should make them sentient? Just imagine, talking rats, cats, dogs, intelligent politicians, guess that's what the mayans thought of as Doomsday.

Re:The gene position, of course, is (2)

Electricity Likes Me (1098643) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068147)

It's very unlikely it codes for sentience.

But the real question is what would happen if we activated it in a higher primate, like a chimp.

Of course I don't even want to begin to imaging the ethical dilemmas of that experiment, since it would amount to creating the first sentient member of a new species if it succeeded.

Re:The gene position, of course, is (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068163)

Let's ask Japan, they have probably already done some work towards catgirls.

Re:The gene position, of course, is (2)

Nadaka (224565) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068311)

No, all of Japans trans species genetic experiments involve actual physical breeding. Just ask the squid monster.

Re:The gene position, of course, is (4, Informative)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068423)

More than that, if they're right, then introducing that gene into other species should make them sentient?.

No beacuse other ape species are sentient anyway.

Re:The gene position, of course, is (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year and a half ago | (#42067837)

Didn't realize that you were a man of the cloth.

Re:The gene position, of course, is (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42067965)

Didn't realize that you were a man of the cloth.

501? Man of the cloth? Are we talking about Levis?

Re:The gene position, of course, is (1)

margeman2k3 (1933034) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068641)

And in most people, it's 404.

Uplift (4, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year and a half ago | (#42067825)

If this is indeed true, you know somebody is going to try it.

(Although the reverse experiment has apparently been done, a casual perusal of C-span makes that obvious.)

Re: Uplift (5, Funny)

Dupple (1016592) | about a year and a half ago | (#42067857)

Well, I'll be a monkeys uncle!

Re:Uplift (4, Informative)

CRCulver (715279) | about a year and a half ago | (#42067889)

In case you don't get the parent post's literary allusion, he's talking about David Brin's Uplift series which starts with the novel Sundiver [amazon.com] . It's a science fiction work based on the idea that human intelligence is due to ancient interference by a mysterious alien race. I re-read it recently; enjoyable stuff and much less dated than one would expect.

Re:Uplift (4, Interesting)

H0p313ss (811249) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068087)

It's a science fiction work based on the idea that human intelligence is due to ancient interference by a mysterious alien race

Actually it's not that clear, in the series Humanity is often referred to as a "wolfling" species. It is unclear to all players on the Galactic scene if there was an unknown "uplifter" or Humanity is one of the rare exceptions in the Galaxy.

This uncertainty always seemed like an allusion to human religious belief, most alien species are so convinced that it is actually impossible for a species to attain sapience without intervention that they'll even go to war over it. Intelligent Design anyone?

Note that I am not suggesting that Brin is promoting intelligent design, I'm pointing out that most of the aliens in the series are as delusional as the religious types who refuse to accept the universe for what it is beyond their very narrow beliefs.

Re:Uplift (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068317)

Pfft, who are you to judge their beliefs? You come from a species that still calls its primary planet Dirt...

captcha: ourself

I find that highly amusing.

Re:Uplift (3)

H0p313ss (811249) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068353)

Pfft, who are you to judge their beliefs?

I don't judge them, I also don't kill them. If you consider the past 2000 years of history, the same cannot be said for most religious groups. (Some more than others... like Christians....)

Re:Uplift (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068417)

You guys who constantly judge the actions of Christians of many years ago would do well to see how much worse the non-Christians were.

Re:Uplift (4, Insightful)

H0p313ss (811249) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068479)

You guys who constantly judge the actions of Christians of many years ago would do well to see how much worse the non-Christians were.

Right, I keep forgetting, crimes against humanity are justified if you can find a worse one that you can blame on someone else, my mistake.

Re:Uplift (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068693)

i was paraphrasing a quote from the books there actually. One of the requirements for recognition being that the species has renamed its planet according to certain criteria, one of which is that the name they choose no long means "dirt".

Happy thanksgiving!

Re:Uplift (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068733)

i was paraphrasing a quote from the books there actually. One of the requirements for recognition being that the species has renamed its planet according to certain criteria, one of which is that the name they choose no long means "dirt".

Happy thanksgiving!

I guess that in the 25+ years since I started reading the series I had forgotten that detail. :)

Re:Uplift (1)

erroneus (253617) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068269)

Well, the way the article says it, it rather gives in to the notion that the mutation isn't accidental and was both rather recent and abrupt.

I have already read some theories into the idea that humans are genetically modified apes. That the mysteries of how the ancient Babylonian culture and languages seemed to appear from nothing into a fully complex form has left many very confused about how it all came about. That we are all the product of a "Stargate" style alien race who needed slave laborers doesn't seem as outlandish to me as "the earth was created in seven days." More interestingly, though, it actually connects in some ways to the god myth... you know, like "created in his own image" and all that?

I wonder. If it was proven, beyond any reasonable doubt that we were created by genetic manipulation by a superior race, (created, not simply evolved) it would in a way prove the theists right. What I wonder is whether or not these theists would consider these superior beings to be gods or just advanced intelligence?

Re:Uplift (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068545)

The abruptness is pretty easy to figure out.
By the time the ancient Babylonians figured out writing on stone, the rest had been pretty much figured out. This leaves no record of how they got there except for what stories they chisiled out.

Re:Uplift (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068299)

They allready did sadly the result was your average [Republican,Democrat] voting American

To the anonymous submitter: (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42067839)

Why don't you link to the original article [nature.com] ?

Re:To the anonymous submitter: (1)

Spottywot (1910658) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068011)

Why don't you link to the original article [nature.com] ?

Thanks AC, the original link was quite horrible.

Re:To the anonymous submitter: (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068047)

"Why don't you link to the original article [nature.com]?"
Most likely it's way too technical for today's /. average reader and editor.

Re:To the anonymous submitter: (5, Informative)

RDW (41497) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068329)

Most likely it's way too technical for today's /. average reader and editor.

...and probably because the conclusions of the paper have very little in common with the massively hyped version on medicaldaily.com. The original authors are much more cautious (and certainly don't claim that this is _the_ difference):

"Taken together, the unusual features of miR-941 evolution, as well as its potential association with functions linked to human longevity and cognition, suggest roles of miR-941 in the evolution of human-specific phenotypes."

Re:To the anonymous submitter: (3, Informative)

solanum (80810) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068829)

Why isn't this modded up? It's the single most useful post to this story. I've just read the actual Nature article as the submitted link was indeed horrible (with flash video auto-starting to boot), and it makes none of the claims that that the submitted article or the summary make. It is still rather interesting though.

Well, THAT explains my in-laws (2)

igaborf (69869) | about a year and a half ago | (#42067851)

We should be serving bananas for Thanksgiving!

Re:Well, THAT explains my in-laws (2)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068257)

Did you intend to insult your spouse, or was s/he just incidental damage?

I see why now.. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42067877)

a group of baboons is called a Congress...

Re:I see why now.. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068131)

I don't know if that's right. A group of baboons can usually accomplish something.

Re:I see why now.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068401)

I wouldn't be so quick to disagree; from what I saw of the political process in the US over the past few months it seems to mostly revolve around slinging shit.

Misleading summary (5, Informative)

Fwipp (1473271) | about a year and a half ago | (#42067879)

TFA makes it clear that it was a difference in this gene that _started_ the divergence, between 6 and 1 million years ago. TFS makes it sound like flipping one gene would produce chimpanzees rather than humans.

Re:Misleading summary (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068135)

The scientific paper makes no such hyperboleus claim as to have found the gene that started the divergence.

"Taken together, the unusual features of miR-941 evolution, as well as its potential association with functions linked to human longevity and cognition, suggest roles of miR-941 in the evolution of human-specific phenotypes. "

This is the strongest general claim the authors have in the article. Both the summary and the linked article are extremely misleading.

Re:Misleading summary (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068159)

And I forgot, evolutionary its probably anyway different than a one gene change. It was probably a translocation that prevented further viable offspring. Prevention of viable offspring is an important step in speciisation.

Re:Misleading summary (1)

HiThere (15173) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068249)

While the don't claim it started the human divergence, they do leave it wide open to interpret as being the reason we grew large brains. Quite possibly the divergence had already happened, but the timing is about right for the gene to have appeared in Homo erectus. Or perhaps a bit earlier. That was not a species with a large brain. Perhaps other mutations were required to allow the skull size to expand.

Caution: I am not an anthropoligist.

Re:Misleading summary (2)

Toutatis (652446) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068175)

I was thinking something similar. That separation is always expected to star by a single gene.
This is like surprising at realizing that two branches of a tree are separated at the beginning by a single micron.

Re:Misleading summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068247)

The linked article itself is misleading! It suggests that "Researchers believe that they have found the definitive difference between humans and other primates, and they think that the difference all comes down to a single gene." That is not remotely close to what the Nature article states.

Research Suggests Trolls and Humans Separated (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42067903)

By a Single Gene: Test on Trolls here on /. prove it. Trolls = dumb gene, and Humans = smart gene. It's really that simple. Happy Thanksgiving.

Re:Research Suggests Trolls and Humans Separated (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068021)

Where on Slashdot did you find evidence of that smart gene, anyway?

I'll tell you where it's not instead (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068293)

That allows you to eliminate humans (here are trolls' samplesets verified as 100% trolls):

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There are more. Do you want them?

For Real? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42067911)

FWIW, at a 1% mutation rate, over how many years, an there is only one gene difference? I really find that hard to believe.

What about the "ape family"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42067919)

You know who I am talking about, the family who have an overly-grown fur on them through several generations.
Is that just a chance mutation relating to hair? Or something deeper?

I'm still not sure. For something as complex as both of us, a single gene being able to toggle between humans and apes sounds a bit simple.
Admittedly the change could be seriously early in the growth process, but to cause the same set of genes around it to grow towards a human instead of ape doesn't sit nicely with me.
And we are speaking of things that evolved this basis rather than being constructed, which makes the chance of such a single gene switch incredibly less likely.

If is were true though... damn, that would be pretty damn big and means evolution is a much much smarter process than we could have imagined when it comes to optimization.
The more we learn about it, the more surprised we become at how efficient it has become over the time it has had to, well, evolve, quite literally.

Re:What about the "ape family"? (2)

MightyMartian (840721) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068007)

There are a helluva lot of complexities. I think many of the differences are not necessarily in the genes themselves, but in gene expression during fetal development. So while there may be a single gene that is different as it relates to neural development, you also have to factor in the whole developmental matrix involved. I would think just throwing this gene into a fertilized chimp egg probably isn't going to get you a near-human IQ chimp, and there are a whole host of factors surrounding gene expression during fetal brain development, which will almost certainly involve many other genes.

Re:What about the "ape family"? (4, Informative)

dissy (172727) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068023)

I'm still not sure. For something as complex as both of us, a single gene being able to toggle between humans and apes sounds a bit simple.

Well yea, that's because you didn't read the article, and are ignoring all the many other genes that have been changed in the last 1-6 million years after this one first gene was changed.

Re:What about the "ape family"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068191)

And it's obviously, obviously false. Here's a comparison between genomes of various ethnicities of humans, and our closest relatives, the chimpanzees. At two significant figures, every type of human is the same distance from the chimps.

http://i.imgur.com/IyMe8.jpg

Re:What about the "ape family"? (3, Funny)

physicsphairy (720718) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068541)

Clearly, the gene in question is the "read the article" gene, which allowed proto-humans to begin amassing knowledge instead of just mindlessly stating opinions.

However, it sometimes is deactivated. Humans without this gene can continue to access many of their other advancements, but they do revert into being simple code monkeys and posting on slashdot.

Hum... (1)

TheDarkMaster (1292526) | about a year and a half ago | (#42067929)

From TFA:

...The gene is highly active in the regions of the brain that control language learning and decision making, indicating that it may play a significant role in the higher brain functions that make humans, well, human.

Recalling my experience when trying to socialize with people so far, I believe this gene in a significant proportion of humanity works only partially...

Re:Hum... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068013)

The gene is highly active in the regions of the brain that control language learning and decision making...

It's even more active in regions of the brain that enhance the belief in superstition, which in turn, diminish that capacity of rational thought.

The missing link between humans and republicans (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42067939)

Surely will be found soon!

Re:The missing link between humans and republicans (1)

Grayhand (2610049) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068193)

Surely will be found soon!

I have my doubts it'll ever be found. They did confirm the existence of Homo Moderatus, they are the missing link between Republicans and Democrats.

Re:The missing link between humans and republicans (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068223)

Oh you mean Homo-Libertarian?

Re:The missing link between humans and republicans (4, Insightful)

ebcdic (39948) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068569)

From the point of view of the world outside America, Democrats are the missing link between humans and Republicans.

Now this really should get people to think about.. (1, Insightful)

3seas (184403) | about a year and a half ago | (#42067991)

... what GMO food they eat....

Glow In The Dark Gorilla FleshLight (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068033)

Nobody Seems To Notice and Nobody Seems To Care - Government & Stealth Malware

In Response To Slashdot Article: Former Pentagon Analyst: China Has Backdoors To 80% of Telecoms 87

How many rootkits does the US[2] use officially or unofficially?

How much of the free but proprietary software in the US spies on you?

Which software would that be?

Visit any of the top freeware sites in the US, count the number of thousands or millions of downloads of free but proprietary software, much of it works, again on a proprietary Operating System, with files stored or in transit.

How many free but proprietary programs have you downloaded and scanned entire hard drives, flash drives, and other media? Do you realize you are giving these types of proprietary programs complete access to all of your computer's files on the basis of faith alone?

If you are an atheist, the comparison is that you believe in code you cannot see to detect and contain malware on the basis of faith! So you do believe in something invisible to you, don't you?

I'm now going to touch on a subject most anti-malware, commercial or free, developers will DELETE on most of their forums or mailing lists:

APT malware infecting and remaining in BIOS, on PCI and AGP devices, in firmware, your router (many routers are forced to place backdoors in their firmware for their government) your NIC, and many other devices.

Where are the commercial or free anti-malware organizations and individual's products which hash and compare in the cloud and scan for malware for these vectors? If you post on mailing lists or forums of most anti-malware organizations about this threat, one of the following actions will apply: your post will be deleted and/or moved to a hard to find or 'deleted/junk posts' forum section, someone or a team of individuals will mock you in various forms 'tin foil hat', 'conspiracy nut', and my favorite, 'where is the proof of these infections?' One only needs to search Google for these threats and they will open your malware world view to a much larger arena of malware on devices not scanned/supported by the scanners from these freeware sites. This point assumed you're using the proprietary Microsoft Windows OS. Now, let's move on to Linux.

The rootkit scanners for Linux are few and poor. If you're lucky, you'll know how to use chkrootkit (but you can use strings and other tools for analysis) and show the strings of binaries on your installation, but the results are dependent on your capability of deciphering the output and performing further analysis with various tools or in an environment such as Remnux Linux. None of these free scanners scan the earlier mentioned areas of your PC, either! Nor do they detect many of the hundreds of trojans and rootkits easily available on popular websites and the dark/deep web.

Compromised defenders of Linux will look down their nose at you (unless they are into reverse engineering malware/bad binaries, Google for this and Linux and begin a valuable education!) and respond with a similar tone, if they don't call you a noob or point to verifying/downloading packages in a signed repo/original/secure source or checking hashes, they will jump to conspiracy type labels, ignore you, lock and/or shuffle the thread, or otherwise lead you astray from learning how to examine bad binaries. The world of Linux is funny in this way, and I've been a part of it for many years. The majority of Linux users, like the Windows users, will go out of their way to lead you and say anything other than pointing you to information readily available on detailed binary file analysis.

Don't let them get you down, the information is plenty and out there, some from some well known publishers of Linux/Unix books. Search, learn, and share the information on detecting and picking through bad binaries. But this still will not touch the void of the APT malware described above which will survive any wipe of r/w media. I'm convinced, on both *nix and Windows, these pieces of APT malware are government in origin. Maybe not from the US, but most of the 'curious' malware I've come across in poisoned binaries, were written by someone with a good knowledge in English, some, I found, functioned similar to the now well known Flame malware. From my experience, either many forum/mailing list mods and malware developers/defenders are 'on the take', compromised themselves, and/or working for a government entity.

Search enough, and you'll arrive at some lone individuals who cry out their system is compromised and nothing in their attempts can shake it of some 'strange infection'. These posts receive the same behavior as I said above, but often they are lone posts which receive no answer at all, AT ALL! While other posts are quickly and kindly replied to and the 'strange infection' posts are left to age and end up in a lost pile of old threads.

If you're persistent, the usual challenge is to, "prove it or STFU" and if the thread is not attacked or locked/shuffled and you're lucky to reference some actual data, they will usually attack or ridicule you and further drive the discussion away from actual proof of APT infections.

The market is ripe for an ambitious company or individual to begin demanding companies and organizations who release firmware and design hardware to release signed and hashed packages and pour this information into the cloud, so everyone's BIOS is checked, all firmware on routers, NICs, and other devices are checked, and malware identified and knowledge reported and shared openly.

But even this will do nothing to stop backdoored firmware (often on commercial routers and other networked devices of real importance for government use - which again opens the possibility of hackers discovering these backdoors) people continue to use instead of refusing to buy hardware with proprietary firmware/software.

Many people will say, "the only safe computer is the one disconnected from any network, wireless, wired, LAN, internet, intranet" but I have seen and you can search yourself for and read about satellite, RF, temperature, TEMPEST (is it illegal in your part of the world to SHIELD your system against some of these APT attacks, especially TEMPEST? And no, it's not simply a CRT issue), power line and many other attacks which can and do strike computers which have no active network connection, some which have never had any network connection. Some individuals have complained they receive APT attacks throughout their disconnected systems and they are ridiculed and labeled as a nutter. The information exists, some people have gone so far as to scream from the rooftops online about it, but they are nutters who must have some serious problems and this technology with our systems could not be possible.

I believe most modern computer hardware is more powerful than many of us imagine, and a lot of these systems swept from above via satellite and other attacks. Some exploits take advantage of packet radio and some of your proprietary hardware. Some exploits piggyback and unless you really know what you're doing, and even then... you won't notice it.

Back to the Windows users, a lot of them will dismiss any strange activity to, "that's just Windows!" and ignore it or format again and again only to see the same APT infected activity continue. Using older versions of sysinternals, I've observed very bizarre behavior on a few non networked systems, a mysterious chat program running which doesn't exist on the system, all communication methods monitored (bluetooth, your hard/software modems, and more), disk mirroring software running[1], scans running on different but specific file types, command line versions of popular Windows freeware installed on the system rather than the use of the graphical component, and more.

[1] In one anonymous post on pastebin, claiming to be from an intel org, it blasted the group Anonymous, with a bunch of threats and information, including that their systems are all mirrored in some remote location anyway.

[2] Or other government, US used in this case due to the article source and speculation vs. China. This is not to defend China, which is one messed up hell hole on several levels and we all need to push for human rights and freedom for China's people. For other, freer countries, however, the concentration camps exist but you wouldn't notice them, they originate from media, mostly your TV, and you don't even know it. As George Carlin railed about "Our Owners", "nobody seems to notice and nobody seems to care".

[3] http://www.stallman.org/ [stallman.org]

Try this yourself on a wide variety of internet forums and mailing lists, push for malware scanners to scan more than files, but firmware/BIOS. See what happens, I can guarantee it won't be pleasant, especially with APT cases.

So scan away, or blissfully ignore it, but we need more people like RMS[3] in the world. Such individuals tend to be eccentric but their words ring true and clear about electronics and freedom.

I believe we're mostly pwned, whether we would like to admit it or not, blind and pwned, yet fiercely holding to misinformation, often due to lack of self discovery and education, and "nobody seems to notice and nobody seems to care".

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Schneier has covered it before: power line fluctuations (differences on the wire in keys pressed).

There's thermal attacks against cpus and temp, also:

ENF (google it)

A treat (ENF Collector in Java):

sourceforge dot net fwdslash projects fwdslash nfienfcollector

No single antimalware scanner exists which offers the ability to scan (mostly proprietary) firmware on AGP/PCI devices (sound cards, graphics cards, usb novelty devices excluding thumb drives), BIOS/CMOS.

If you boot into ultimate boot cd you can use an archane text interface to dump BIOS/CMOS and examine/checksum.

The real attacks which survive disk formats and wipes target your PCI devices and any firmware which may be altered/overwritten with something special. It is not enough to scan your hard drive(s) and thumb drives, the real dangers with teeth infect your hardware devices.

When is the last time you:

Audited your sound card for malware?
Audited your graphics card for malware?
Audited your network card for malware?

Google for:

* AGP and PCI rootkit(s)
* Network card rootkit(s)
* BIOS/CMOS rootkit(s)

Our modern PC hardware is capable of much more than many can imagine.

Do you:

* Know your router's firmware may easily be replaced on a hacker's whim?
* Shield all cables against leakage and attacks
* Still use an old CRT monitor and beg for TEMPEST attacks?
* Use TEMPEST resistant fonts in all of your applications including your OS?
* Know whether or not your wired keyboard has keypresses encrypted as they pass to your PC from the keyboard?
* Use your PC on the grid and expose yourself to possible keypress attacks?
* Know your network card is VERY exploitable when plugged into the net and attacked by a hard core blackhat or any vicious geek with the know how?
* Search out informative papers on these subjects and educate your friends and family about these attacks?
* Contact antimalware companies and urge them to protect against many or all these attacks?

Do you trust your neighbors? Are they all really stupid when it comes to computing or is there a geek or two without a conscience looking to exploit these areas?

The overlooked threat are the potential civilian rogues stationed around you, especially in large apartment blocks who feed on unsecured wifi to do their dirty work.

With the recent news of Russian spies, whether or not this news was real or a psyop, educate yourself on the present threats which all antimalware scanners fail to protect against and remove any smug mask you may wear, be it Linux or OpenBSD, or the proprietary Windows and Mac OS you feel are properly secured and not vulnerable to any outside attacks because you either don't need an antivirus scanner (all are inept to serious attacks) or use one or several (many being proprietary mystery machines sending data to and from your machine for many reasons, one is to share your information with a group or set database to help aid in threats), the threats often come in mysterious ways.

Maybe the ancients had it right: stone tablets and their own unique language(s) rooted in symbolism.

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I'm more concerned about new rootkits which target PCI devices, such as the graphics card and the optical drives, also, BIOS. Where are the malware scanners which scan PCI devices and BIOS for mismatches? All firmware, BIOS and on PCI devices should be checksummed and saved to match with others in the cloud, and archived when the computer is first used, backing up signed firmware.

When do you recall seeing signed router firmware upgrades with any type of checksum to check against? Same for PCI devices and optical drives and BIOS.

Some have begun with BIOS security:

http://www.biosbits.org/ [biosbits.org]

Some BIOS has write protection in its configuration, a lot of newer computers don't.

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"Disconnect your PC from the internet and don't add anything you didn't create yourself. It worked for the NOC list machine in Mission Impossible"

The room/structure was likely heavily shielded, whereas most civvies don't shield their house and computer rooms. There is more than meets the eye to modern hardware.

Google:

subversion hack:
tagmeme(dot)com/subhack/

network card rootkits and trojans
pci rootkits
packet radio
xmit "fm fingerprinting" software
"specific emitter identification"
forums(dot)qrz(dot)com

how many malware scanners scan bios/cmos and pci/agp cards for malware? zero, even the rootkit scanners. have you checksummed/dumped your bios/cmos and firmware for all your pci/agp devices and usb devices, esp vanity usb devices in and outside the realm of common usb devices (thumbdrives, external hdds, printers),

Unless your computer room is shielded properly, the computers may still be attacked and used, I've personally inspected computers with no network connection running mysterious code in the background which task manager for windows and the eqiv for *nix does not find, and this didn't find it all.

Inspect your windows boot partition in *nix with hexdump and look for proxy packages mentioned along with command line burning programs and other oddities. Computers are more vulnerable than most would expect.

You can bet all of the malware scanners today, unless they are developed by some lone indy coder in a remote country, employ whitelisting of certain malware and none of them scan HARDWARE devices apart from the common usb devices.

Your network cards, sound cards, cd/dvd drives, graphics cards, all are capable of carrying malware to survive disk formatting/wiping.

Boot from a Linux live cd and use hexdump to examine your windows (and *nix) boot sectors to potentially discover interesting modifications by an unknown party.

#
eof

Homosexual Ape FleshLight With Real Ape Sounds! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068035)

Memorable quotes for
Looker (1981)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082677/quotes [imdb.com]

"John Reston: Television can control public opinion more effectively than armies of secret police, because television is entirely voluntary. The American government forces our children to attend school, but nobody forces them to watch T.V. Americans of all ages *submit* to television. Television is the American ideal. Persuasion without coercion. Nobody makes us watch. Who could have predicted that a *free* people would voluntarily spend one fifth of their lives sitting in front of a *box* with pictures? Fifteen years sitting in prison is punishment. But 15 years sitting in front of a television set is entertainment. And the average American now spends more than one and a half years of his life just watching television commercials. Fifty minutes, every day of his life, watching commercials. Now, that's power."

##

"The United States has it's own propaganda, but it's very effective because people don't realize that it's propaganda. And it's subtle, but it's actually a much stronger propaganda machine than the Nazis had but it's funded in a different way. With the Nazis it was funded by the government, but in the United States, it's funded by corporations and corporations they only want things to happen that will make people want to buy stuff. So whatever that is, then that is considered okay and good, but that doesn't necessarily mean it really serves people's thinking - it can stupify and make not very good things happen."
- Crispin Glover: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000417/bio [imdb.com]

##

"It's only logical to assume that conspiracies are everywhere, because that's what people do. They conspire. If you can't get the message, get the man." - Mel Gibson (from an interview)

##

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." - William Casey, CIA Director

##

"The real reason for the official secrecy, in most instances, is not to keep the opposition (the CIA's euphemistic term for the enemy) from knowing what is going on; the enemy usually does know. The basic reason for governmental secrecy is to keep you, the American public, from knowing - for you, too, are considered the opposition, or enemy - so that you cannot interfere. When the public does not know what the government or the CIA is doing, it cannot voice its approval or disapproval of their actions. In fact, they can even lie to your about what they are doing or have done, and you will not know it. As for the second advantage, despite frequent suggestion that the CIA is a rogue elephant, the truth is that the agency functions at the direction of and in response to the office of the president. All of its major clandestine operations are carried out with the direct approval of or on direct orders from the White House. The CIA is a secret tool of the president - every president. And every president since Truman has lied to the American people in order to protect the agency. When lies have failed, it has been the duty of the CIA to take the blame for the president, thus protecting him. This is known in the business as "plausible denial." The CIA, functioning as a secret instrument of the U.S. government and the presidency, has long misused and abused history and continues to do so."
- Victor Marchetti, Propaganda and Disinformation: How the CIA Manufactures History

##

George Carlin:

"The real owners are the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians, they're an irrelevancy. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They've long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the statehouses, the city halls. They've got the judges in their back pockets. And they own all the big media companies, so that they control just about all of the news and information you hear. They've got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want; they want more for themselves and less for everybody else.

But I'll tell you what they don't want. They don't want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don't want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They're not interested in that. That doesn't help them. That's against their interests. They don't want people who are smart enough to sit around the kitchen table and figure out how badly they're getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago.

You know what they want? Obedient workers people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork but just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. And, now, they're coming for your Social Security. They want your fucking retirement money. They want it back, so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They'll get it. They'll get it all, sooner or later, because they own this fucking place. It's a big club, and you ain't in it. You and I are not in the big club.

This country is finished."

##

We now return you Americans to your media: Corporate, Government sponsored and controlled (rigged) elections..

Most of you are all so asleep it's time you woke up!

Re:Homosexual Ape FleshLight With Real Ape Sounds! (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068571)

Carlin was a comedian and an absolute master with language. His comedy works because there is a grain of truth in it, but if he were alive today I'm sure he would be shaking his head in disbelief at all the people who now think his work is revealed truth.

So they found it! (0)

Brad1138 (590148) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068067)

The "God" gene...

Re:So they found it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068195)

So, God is a gene. Makes sense if you think of it.

Must be ... (1)

pastafazou (648001) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068079)

Gene Simmons they're talking about....

BS (0, Flamebait)

Randle_Revar (229304) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068111)

Bullshit.
Thant is all.

Re:BS (1)

Randle_Revar (229304) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068123)

*that

Re:BS (1)

toriver (11308) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068707)

No, bovines (bulls) are even further removed from humans than primates are. But perhaps you belong to the select few who feel that a bunch of nomads sitting around a camp fire three thousand years ago with no concept of genetics had all the answers...

Feel sorry for the first mutant (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068141)

I always wonder at the first human to appear.

Looking terribly odd. No-one to talk to. Nothing to read. Nowhere to shop.

How bleak.

Re:Feel sorry for the first mutant (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068585)

All the other apes making fun because he was bald....no wonder we are a hostile species.

It's the Y Chromosome! (1)

0xG (712423) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068165)

If you have a Y, you're an ape!

Re:It's the Y Chromosome! (1)

Brad1138 (590148) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068241)

I am not sure how to label it, but primates lack the ability to build on achievements of previous generations. In a number of ways, they are as intelligent or more, than humans, but that is a real road block. If that gene covers that, it would make a lot of sense.

Re:It's the Y Chromosome! (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068451)

There is evidence of some degree of cultural transmission in at least some primates, so you're not quite right there. And let us remember here that the evolution of humans since the first tool using apes was marked by toolkits that remained insanely stagnant for hundreds of thousands of years. I think the explanation is advanced language capacity. Without it, cultural transmission is crude and limited, and introducing innovations very unreliable. Once you have language, you have a means of communicating accurately and articulately not just existing knowledge, but also innovations. If other primates had language skills near as ours, even if other cognitive abilities weren't as strong, I think you would likely see that sort of innovation spread through such a population.

Re:It's the Y Chromosome! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068457)

As far as i know chimps do learn from previous generation achievments. There's an study about some chimps colonies with different habilities due to this fact.

The shopping gene (1)

Grayhand (2610049) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068183)

It's the genetic drive to buy useless shit you don't really need. Humans that lack this drive are actually less evolved but better at handling their own money.

Not a "single gene" (5, Informative)

nomad-9 (1423689) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068283)

The article is crock. Scientists didn't pretend that "all the difference humans and apes comes down to a single gene", they stated that they discovered a new brain gene that is unique to humans .and they are hopeful to find more of the same to help explain what makes us who we are.

They don''t even say that this gene was the "first" and sprang all the others. All they are saying is that it played a significant role in human evolution, and that it appeared from junk DNA after humans evolved from apes.

Being unique to humans, and being the one and only single difference between humans and apes, are two different things. One is a scientific statement and the other is typical media sensationalist drivel.

It's all about the mirrors... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068335)

More importantly, it all comes down to mirrors.

Apes will look at themselves in a hand mirror for about 5 seconds, check behind the mirror, and then go on about their business.

Humans have a look, and then never put it down.

Re:It's all about the mirrors... (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068655)

Apes recognize themselves in a mirror and spend much more than 5 seconds examining themselves. However they don't do it every day because they just don't care about make-up and razors.

bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42068347)

bla bla bla

I'm not so sure ... (2)

PPH (736903) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068393)

... its even one gene.

I'll give it some more thought after the NFL games are over today.

nonsense. (-1, Troll)

Eravnrekaree (467752) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068439)

There is far more genetic difference than this. In fact there is significant difference between human races in genetics, for instance some human races have 5% larger brain volume and more complex brain folding leading to 20% higher IQs for some races, such as european, ashkenazi jew, and oriental, which have the highest IQs with blacks being the lowest IQ. This integrates with evolutionary theory that the higher IQ genes developed in cold winter environments where more advanced technology and long term planning was needed to survive the cold winters. No kidding, its a scientific fact supported by peer reviewed studies.

Re:nonsense. (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068485)

What actually separates all other races from Africans is beastiality. Sex with the Neanderthals. All Europeans contain between 2 and 5% Neanderthal DNA. They lived in the northern continents for millions of years before us and were not as intelligent as African humans. The Africans came in, did a little cross breeding and wiped them out in a few tens of thousands of years.

Re:nonsense. (0)

Eravnrekaree (467752) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068665)

During and after this significant divirgent evolution occured in Europe, European homo sapiens populations have evolved over 30,000 years in Europe, leading to many unique qualities and traits such as blonde hair, and the ability to digest milk throughout life. The uniqueness of each of the human races is a good thing and something we should cherish. I am for respecting and preserving all of the worlds unique races.

I suppose this is the equivalent... (1)

ameline (771895) | about a year and a half ago | (#42068699)

I suppose this is the equivalent of flinging poop at y'all...

I wonder how long it will be before someone tries splicing this into a chimp or great ape genome and see what happens... :-)

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