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Samsung Claims iPad Mini, iPad 4, New iPod Touch Also Infringe Patents

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the put-them-up-against-the-wall dept.

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SternisheFan writes "Here we go again. Korean electronics giant Samsung has added three new Apple products to the list of products that the company claims infringes on its patents. In a filing to the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, Samsung has added the iPad mini, the new iPad 4, and the fifth-generation iPod touch to an existing lawsuit that covers devices such as the iPhone 5, iPad 4, and earlier iPod touch devices. According to the filing, Samsung believes that 'good cause exists' to add these three devices to the original infringement claim, 'because Apple's new products were not yet available when Samsung submitted its original contentions on June 15, 2012 or its first motion to supplement its infringement contentions on October 1, 2012.'"

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First (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42069785)

First

Sinking ship (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42070063)

First

No, he's not the first, but another big rat has left the rapidly submerging Microsoft hulk. Simon Marlow, one of the luminaries of Microsoft research, has jumped ship to another Axis of business Evil partner, Facebook.

Stand by for more brain drain reports.
 

Global Thermonuclear Patent War (5, Funny)

jjeffries (17675) | about a year and a half ago | (#42069787)

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

Re:Global Thermonuclear Patent War (4, Funny)

MightyMartian (840721) | about a year and a half ago | (#42069889)

Yes. Apparently this is what we now call "innovation".

Re:Global Thermonuclear Patent War (0, Flamebait)

Tough Love (215404) | about a year and a half ago | (#42071245)

Apple always has the opportunity to call the whole thing off. But Apple will not do that because Apple is a morally and ethically bankrupt organization with thug embedded deep within its DNA.

Re:Global Thermonuclear Patent War (1)

Tim99 (984437) | about a year and a half ago | (#42071693)

... Apple is a morally and ethically bankrupt organization with thug embedded deep within its DNA.

Er, and Samsang is not? Samsung price cartels: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung#Price_cartels [wikipedia.org]
Lee Kun-hee scandal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Kun-hee#Samsung_scandal [wikipedia.org]

Re:Global Thermonuclear Patent War (0)

Kyusaku Natsume (1098) | about a year and a half ago | (#42071825)

Aside from that, Apple don't owe its existence to cozy relations with a murderous dictatorship like most, if not all korean mega-conglomerates. After all, South Korea became a more or less democratic country until 1987 even if they kept being ruled by a member of the party of their last dictator,Chun Doo-hwan . Still, I must admire of them that at least their dictators and oligarchs weren't as stupid that the latinoamerican dictators/oligarchs. If our oligarchs were 20% as smart than the south korean ones, the USA wouldn't have an illegal immigration problem.

Re:Global Thermonuclear Patent War (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42072321)

The USA government is a far bigger and worse dictatorship that has murdered millions.

Re:Global Thermonuclear Patent War (4, Insightful)

History's Coming To (1059484) | about a year and a half ago | (#42069977)

You can also play the "launch all the missiles for the hell of it" card. Which is what's happening - these devices are on convergent evolutions and they're arguing over the current tiny ideas instead of the next big ones. Good reference though.

Re:Global Thermonuclear Patent War (1)

aNonnyMouseCowered (2693969) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070211)

"A strange game. The only winning move is not to play."

Strange? If the other side nukes you, you'd be a fool not to nuke them back.

Re:Global Thermonuclear Patent War (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42070251)

That's exactly why it's strange; both sides lose.

Re:Global Thermonuclear Patent War (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42071323)

And that's what they call M.A.D. Mutually Assured Destruction

Re:Global Thermonuclear Patent War (4, Insightful)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070299)

If one side nukes you, the only way to not lose is to pack up your shit and go and live with the other side, before the bombs detonate/the fallout reaches you.

Re:Global Thermonuclear Patent War (5, Insightful)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070351)

Actually, in the patent game, both sides get to increase their cost-to-customer as well as barriers to market entry for small players and startups. For big companies, patent wars are a win, which is why they so willingly participate.

For their customers, on the other hand...

Re:Global Thermonuclear Patent War (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42070417)

Too pity there's no +1 Moronic but unfortunately true mod.

Re:Global Thermonuclear Patent War (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42071375)

Psssst... "Pity" is a noun, not an adjective.

"It's a pity (that)..." or "It's too bad (that)...".

Re:Global Thermonuclear Patent War (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42071655)

Psssst... "Pity" is a noun, not an adjective.

"It's a pity (that)..." or "It's too bad (that)...".

It is a pity that there is no "+1 Grammer Nazi"

Re:Global Thermonuclear Patent War (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42072459)

It is a pity that there is no "+1 Grammer Nazi"

Grammer Nazi should be -1

Re:Global Thermonuclear Patent War (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42073051)

Spelling Nazi, however, is +1 and says it's spelled "grammar". But you can have a -1 Pedantic Bastard instead.

Re:Global Thermonuclear Patent War (4, Insightful)

trout007 (975317) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070381)

Or be the lawyers.

Re:Global Thermonuclear Patent War (2)

aztracker1 (702135) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070917)

Maybe the best way to address this is for a judge to simply embargo the classes of products from involved parties until the issue is resolved.. then we're not pushed into getting the new shiney for a while, and the companies can bite it until they then push the government to abolish patents... I honestly believe that there are some genuine innovations deserving of patent protection, but that our government is too inept to actually come up with a system that rejects more patents than it grants.

Re:Global Thermonuclear Patent War (1)

symbolset (646467) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070969)

Eventually the lawyers will reap what they sow. It ain't gonna be pretty.

Re:Global Thermonuclear Patent War (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42073395)

Alternately:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFCOapq3uYY ( SMBC Theater - Wargames )

And, in other news - Black Friday Patent sales.... (5, Funny)

DontScotty (978874) | about a year and a half ago | (#42069789)

And, in other news - Black Friday Patent sales are expected to open at 10 pm this evening.

Patents on "Duh", "Obvious", and "Send me a memo titled Shit I Already Know" are expected to go quickly.

Re:And, in other news - Black Friday Patent sales. (3, Funny)

Chewbacon (797801) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070919)

wouldn't it be Grey Thursday, then?

Re:And, in other news - Black Friday Patent sales. (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about a year and a half ago | (#42071657)

i dont know, id prefer it to be orangey-majenta thursday

Re:And, in other news - Black Friday Patent sales. (1)

Geeky (90998) | about a year and a half ago | (#42072721)

Just not purple [guardian.co.uk] unless you want to incur the wrath of Cadbury.

Re:And, in other news - Black Friday Patent sales. (-1, Flamebait)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year and a half ago | (#42072863)

wouldn't it be Grey Thursday, then?

Or in Apple's case a gay thursday

fp (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42069801)

first post ..... f**k apple

This was going to always happen.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42069807)

Joshua: Shall we play a game?
David Lightman: Oh! .... [typing] Love to. How about Global Thermonuclear War?
Joshua: Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of chess?
David Lightman: Later. Let's play Global Thermonuclear War.
Joshua: Fine.

Patents.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42069829)

Clearly driving innovation.

Mooooooooommmmm! (4, Funny)

SIR_Taco (467460) | about a year and a half ago | (#42069853)

Samsung: 'Apple's looking at me!!!!'
Apple: 'Am not!'
Samsung: 'Are too!'
Apple: 'Am not!'
Samsung: 'Are too!'
Apple: 'Am not!'
Samsung: 'Are too!'
Apple: 'Am not!'
Samsung: 'Are too!' ...

Previously from our last episode:

Apple: 'Samsung's looking at me!!!!'
Samsung: 'Am not!'
Apple: 'Are too!'
Samsung: 'Am not!'
Apple: 'Are too!'
Samsung: 'Am not!'
Apple: 'Are too!'
Samsung: 'Am not!'
Apple: 'Are too!'

This is true... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42069867)

Apple is infringing.

And the winner is RIM (4, Interesting)

lucm (889690) | about a year and a half ago | (#42069915)

Anyone noticed that while Apple and Samsung are fighting each other in court, RIM stock is going up? Of course nobody will say that an obsolete, buggy device on an unreliably network is infringing on their patents. Quite brilliant: let the big boys beat each other down and step up as the safest choice for nervous enterprise customers.

Re:And the winner is RIM (5, Interesting)

cavtroop (859432) | about a year and a half ago | (#42069987)

Interesting, but not relevant. I work for a corporation that just standardized on the iPhone (against my recommendations). RIM was never even at the table. Sales, Marketing and even IT guys just don't want to be seen with a BB device anymore - they all want either an iPhone (mostly) or a Samsung GIII (minority). That's it. Its more about cool factor and being seen with the device, even in the business world.

As part of the evaluation, we spoke to close to a dozen other companies that recently went through the same process, and pretty much got the same response - that the users overwhelmingly refused to have anything to do with a RIM product, and wanted the flashy new iPhone or GIII.

Re:And the winner is RIM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42070045)

Really? Cool factor? Flashy? It's about a device that works and not having to pay for back end service like BES to make the device work.

RIM and BB are old & outdated. No, they aren't cool but they also don't live up to today's enterprise standards and yet you have to pay for it to function properly on an enterprise network.

Why are you sad that they didn't go with BB? And if you're not "the IT guys" why are you so surprised they didn't listen to you?

Re:And the winner is RIM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42070399)

Really? Cool factor? Flashy?

Precisely, and that's what most people here don't get.

iPhones are not interesting or cool any more, they're owned by me-too people who want a safe, unchallenging option.

Tldr. iPhones are for old people. Cool people are looking elsewhere.

Re:And the winner is RIM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42070497)

Meanwhile, mature adults use whatever phone they want.

Re:And the winner is RIM (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42070577)

At my 100K employee company the key criterion is that it be remotely wipe-able with ActiveSync, and NOT require BES backend - so iPhone (3+ I think), and Android 2.2+ qualify (oh, and my old Win Mob 6.x phones, but not WP 7.x - dunno about WP 8).

YMMV

Re:And the winner is RIM (2)

lucm (889690) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070071)

As part of the evaluation, we spoke to close to a dozen other companies that recently went through the same process, and pretty much got the same response - that the users overwhelmingly refused to have anything to do with a RIM product, and wanted the flashy new iPhone or GIII.

I'd be curious to know where people put the Windows 8 phone in that lineup.

Re:And the winner is RIM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42070187)

As a wild guess, at "not fucking released yet", unless this all happened less than a month ago.

No one is going to standardize on a month-old OS, unless they're some kind of hipster company. And a hipster company wouldn't standardize on Windows unless it was, like, ironic, I guess.
Or if they're Microsoft, but then again I've always suspected them of secretly being ironic hipsters. Their delivery of Windows ME was very deadpan.

Re:And the winner is RIM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42070441)

Same place as they put the Kin.

Re:And the winner is RIM (1)

PixetaledPikachu (1007305) | about a year and a half ago | (#42071013)

As part of the evaluation, we spoke to close to a dozen other companies that recently went through the same process, and pretty much got the same response - that the users overwhelmingly refused to have anything to do with a RIM product, and wanted the flashy new iPhone or GIII.

I'd be curious to know where people put the Windows 8 phone in that lineup.

You know, what's funny is that Microsoft's Win7 phone has only partial support on activesync protocol, so I imagine that people might a little bit wary about this on win8 phone as well

Re:And the winner is RIM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42070227)

This is a valid point, but it's not just fashion at work here. As a consultant with a managed IT hosting provider, I have to work with all of the above for lots of different businesses, and Blackberries are by far the worst to work with. They're slow, complicated to set up (there's at least five ways to connect a Blackberry to Exchange), and are just a general pain to work with. Meanwhile, iPhones and Androids hook up to Exchange super easy, no extra software needed, no specific cell phone plans needed, no delays in incoming mail. And for the record, I use a first gen Epic 4G (Galaxy S to the rest of the world). Before that, I had a first gen Blackberry Storm.

Re:And the winner is RIM (1)

Karzz1 (306015) | about a year and a half ago | (#42073717)

....I had a first gen Blackberry Storm.

I did as well... that experience turned me away from RIM forever. I still have nightmares.

Re:And the winner is RIM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42070315)

We have a BYOD policy. You can take a company blackberry, or you can get your own phone. They'll pay for the monthly fee, but the phone is out of your pocket. Almost everyone does the BYOD and we have a pretty even mix of Android and iPhones.

Re:And the winner is RIM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42071089)

We don't do BYOD yet, the company still buys the phones. We went from RIM to Android just over two years ago - iPhone wasn't offered on our carrier. It was awkward, as we were a solutions provider with BEZ engineers. But what are you going to do? It was time. At re-up time just past we changed providers and got an option of iPhone 5 or Android. So far iPhone is leading 2:1. We still have one BEZ engineer, but he's cross-training now because there's no longer much call for that specialty.

Re:And the winner is RIM (1)

1800maxim (702377) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070425)

and wanted the flashy new iPhone or GIII

it shows that it's about the glitz and the bling. the blackberry 9900 is a fantastic business device. don't worry, i'm not a shill, and i don't have one. my main phone right now is an iPhone 4, and my secondary phone to play with is an older Android running gingerbread 2.3

the new BB10 OS will be quite a game changer in my opinion, as will be RIM's two devices - a touchscreen device and a keyboard device. i can't wait for their release. they have a lot of things to overcome, but what they will offer (dual zones personal and business on the same device) is unmatched (for now).

the only bias that i have? i'm canadian, i would like to see RIM succeed (no they don't need to be #1 or even #2 in device sales), and i had the original Bold for 3 years. disregarding that, i seriously think, from the reading i've done so far, that the next devices are very promising

Re:And the winner is RIM (2)

finkployd (12902) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070495)

I think it is less "cool factor" and more "RIM devices are at best 5 years behind the tech curve in almost every way imaginable". Seriously, if you want security above usability and productivity, you need a mainframe with dumb terminals and motorola flip phones.

Re:And the winner is RIM (4, Insightful)

petman (619526) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070683)

It's interesting how the trend is totally the opposite in my part of the world. I work in a fairly large corporation here in the third world and Samsung/Android is arguably more popular amongst corporate users compared to the iPhone. In any meeting, it's not uncommon to see two-thirds or more or the attendees sporting Samsung Android phones.

Re:And the winner is RIM (0)

clifyt (11768) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070953)

Really? The corporation went against your recommendation?

They picked a phone that has almost any application that could be needed for the business on it, over one that has 10s of apps that all cost thousands of $$$s to put on there? And the fact that people might actually take their device with them instead of having to cart around 2 mobile devices because you have one that your people actually use for 99% of their mobile needs...and one that they have to cart around for their business.

I can't believe they went against your wishes. It is almost as if they listened to someone that knew how to run a business instead of the guy still debating VMS vs. UNIX as a platform for the business's computing needs.

Re:And the winner is RIM (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about a year and a half ago | (#42071667)

they went with a less secure phone/platform (iphone or android) than a known , secure platform(RIM)

This coming from a diehard android fan

Re:And the winner is RIM (1)

clifyt (11768) | about a year and a half ago | (#42073515)

The security is one of these talking points that doesn't mean anything.

RIM was publicly asked to put backdoors into their phones at the US's request and did so. And then every other country in the world asked for them. And they gave them it so they could get into the market. Pretty much all they need to get into ANY Blackberry is to trick it into utilizing one of there servers, and it is magically unlocked for anyone that has one of two dozen encryption unlocks given to nerds in the third world.

So far, China is the only one with public access to the iPhone, and only on a specific model sold in China...Google so far as walked away from a deal with China because of these questions which I respect (sadly, I know the guy that got Apple into China). Here in America, both Apple and Google have denied the gov'ts requests as they are unconstitutional (but mostly because it would cost them money to do so) and thus the gov't has to try to get in through the AT&T's and Verizons.

Either way...the security on the iPhone is far greater than BB. Not sure about Android because I don't use it often enough to say.

Re:And the winner is RIM (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070981)

Its more about cool factor and being seen with the device, even in the business world.

What gave you the impression this was a new development? Do your executive's vehicles come from BMW or Kia?

A big part of business is appearances, and that's not cynical, that's the facts. The idea that "business" is about utilitarian efficiency and grinding commoditization is wrongheaded and moralistic in all the wrong ways.

We can't celebrate the free market and then concern-troll it with accusations of superficiality or "cool factor" the moment people start buying things we don't like. You gotta have a little faith that people know what they actually want, and aren't just brainwashed robots. (If they are then there's really no point to any of this.)

Re:And the winner is RIM (1)

motoservo (1327295) | about a year and a half ago | (#42071831)

Yeah, it's obviously to be "seen" with it. Because holding a 2mm thick phone shaped thing that from five feet away looks like every other 2mm thing when in a palm of a hand is all about impressing people? Couldn't possible be for what the user is actually doing with said device. I think people that make comments like this must have really had a hard go at it--socially--and somehow every body else in the world must be some fake wannabe who just wants attention. Grow up.

Re:And the winner is RIM (2, Interesting)

Xest (935314) | about a year and a half ago | (#42072371)

Sorry but you're offering nothing more than a meaningless anecdote.

Looking at the actual Q3 figures, RIM is shifting 2 Blackberrys for every Windows Phone, and Apple is only shifting 2.6 iPhones for every Blackberry, which given Apple's high sales figures doesn't exactly put RIMs sales in too bad a light. You've also got to consider that the the smartphone market has seen explosive growth in recent years, so RIM is still shifting far more devices now, than it was prior to the iPhones release in 2007. It's shifting more than twice as many devices now than it was then, even though it hasn't kept it's marketshare up due to failing in the consumer arena.

But to focus on your anecdote, I'd question the wisdom of any company who basis their purchasing decision on users simply wanting to have a flashy phone, rather than wanting to actually get work done and be productive. Of the companies I know still using Blackberrys they do so because:

1) They still offer the best battery life
2) They still offer the best enterprise integration
3) They still offer the best hardware for typing out e-mails and so forth
4) They're still more durable than all Apple and most Android smartphones

My previous employer also looked at iPhones but didn't go with them largely because of battery life, it was an engineering firm and they made many sales to companies like Codelco in Chile, and they may fly from there straight to another country, like say, Dubai, and follow this pattern for a number of weeks. When you're in the middle of the Atacama you don't get chance to charge every 5mins, you go to the airport and sleep on the plane so no fancy hotel room where you can charge overnight, and then you end up somewhere where it can be +50c, but oh dear, guess what? The likes of the iPhone are only rated to work, and I quote from Apple's website:

Operating ambient temperature: 32Â to 95Â F (0Â to 35Â C)
Nonoperating temperature: â'4Â to 113Â F (â'20Â to 45Â C)
Relative humidity: 5% to 95% noncondensing
Maximum operating altitude: 10,000 feet (3000 m)

It can get below -4c in the Atacama quite easily too, oh, and you can easily be over 3000 m altitude to boot. Travelling to some tropical places, or particularly dry places and you'll even breach the humidity limits. All of which the sales guys at the old place I worked used to do, some could breach all these limits within a couple of days.

Look, it's great that where you work your sales and marketing guys get to play the hipster and run round with their shiny phones, but the fact remains that RIM still holds an enviable chunk of the business market - seeing as most their sales are business whilst most of Apple's sales are consumer, I'd say that RIM likely far and away still hold a much bigger portion of the business market than Apple (though undoubtedly less than Android now).

I'm not even a fan of RIM, I'm a fan of Android and I own a Galaxy Nexus, and Nexus (both of which I fucking love and would highly recommend by the way), but it gets tiresome to read these sorts of anecdotes which basically amount to "My dad says RIM is not cool anymore". That's great, but the figures are still nothing to be scoffed at even now, RIM is still important in business, and there are still damn good reasons why some companies still choose Blackberrys regardless of your assertions about sales guys not wanting them because they're not cool - guess what, some sales people do actually work for a living, and hence need a device that can support that and allow them to be productive whatever environment they're in. The businesses still using Blackberrys are the business who care about actually getting things done rather than using company funds to enlarge a sales, marketing, or IT guy's ego.

I'm not saying RIM necessarily even has a bright future, but this isn't about anecdotes or partisan fanboyism, it's about the facts - the cold hard numbers, and right now RIM is still a major player in business, and Blackberrys still have a number of advantages depending on your business needs. The idea that they've somehow vanished from the business world is just completely false.

Re:And the winner is RIM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42070017)

Ironically RIM is one of the few companies that forced Dolby Laboratories to sue them over patent infringement. Dolby is often touted at being very fair with its patent licensing [fool.com].

Re:And the winner is RIM (3, Insightful)

Aranykai (1053846) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070023)

I dont know that i would consider that trend significant given the stock history over the last 5 years.

Re:And the winner is RIM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42070029)

That's idiotic there is no correlation.

Re:And the winner is RIM (4, Insightful)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070101)

RIM may not be taking punches from the big players, but that's only because they're being trod underfoot by them. And if you look at their long-term stock trends, rather than focusing on just a small part of it, you'd see that as well.

It's not like Apple or Samsung are going away anytime soon. Either Apple loses and has to pay damages + licensing fees for these patents (which they have plenty of money to be able to handle), or Samsung loses and things continue on as they have. Either way, RIM continues to lose major contracts with governments (as was reported here last week), loses even more contracts with businesses that are switching to newer devices that can do more (e.g. so many software developers at the company I work for use iDevices that the company bought Apple TVs for all of the conference rooms so that any of us with iDevices can use AirPlay to show our mobile screen on the projectors or TVs; not to mention Yahoo letting employees get any major smartphone except for a BB), continues to be viewed as the has-been brand that few people want for personal use, and gets pushed into more and more niche markets overseas, where they'll eventually disappear due to lower margins and increasing demands (e.g. being forced to give up private data on their network in India).

BB10 is their only hope at this point, but it's unlikely that it will be able to turn things around for them, I'd guess. I might feel differently about it if they had a recent history of putting out products that were well-received, but they haven't exactly been doing that. Besides which, Palm went under after putting out WebOS, which was universally acclaimed as being an excellent OS, which is more than I'm expecting with BB10. RIM seems to be in a bad spot at this point, so I don't see how they can hope to recover. I even have a friend working for them...we've been trying to tell him to get out for years, but he staunchly refuses to believe that they're in trouble, despite thousands of employees getting laid off and other signs of impending trouble happening all around him.

Re:And the winner is RIM (1)

glsunder (241984) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070471)

Just because an OS company isn't going to survive long term doesn't mean you can't make money off their stock. I made decent cash off of BeOS stock in the 90s.

This is Stupid! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42069935)

Just settle the dispute!!!

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Re:Warning!!! Goatse re-direct link (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42070271)

It is a pic of Kermit the frog and a silly song about the website. No actual link

Re:Warning!!! Goatse re-direct link (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42070673)

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We have to get rid of software patents (4, Informative)

jgerry (14280) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070091)

This level of insanity cannot continue. It stifles innovation, and practically guarantees no small players will ever design a new mobile device or OS.

Re:We have to get rid of software patents (3, Insightful)

Master Moose (1243274) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070161)

What better a way to compete than stopping the competition.

A pre-emptive strike to neutralise an attack before it occurs.

Let the others know that they are welcome to try and compete, but you had better have a huge legal fund.

Re:We have to get rid of software patents (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about a year and a half ago | (#42071243)

I'm pretty sure cost to manufacture and certify your device as safe are larger barriers to entry than the cost of a patent lawyer.

I mean in theory that sounds nice but, just not feasible for a host of other reasons that have nothing to do with patents. Why haven't we seen massive amounts of innovation in places like china where there aren't the same level of patent protections in place?

Hint: the answer is very long, nuanced and likely boring unless you're a nerd(where it's fascinating) or a racist(where these things don't matter and china sucks).

Re:We have to get rid of software patents (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42071549)

What are you talking about? I regularly get asked to submit translations for Chinese papers to be used as a prior art defence against patent threats/suits. It's truly amazing the amount of prior art out there that is not found in English.

I also get a lot of work translating potential inventions from Chinese authors into something a US patent lawyer can work with. Of course the inventors are generally listed as from US based holding companies, or the US division management. The engineers, however, live in China and most don't speak much English except for the few that have been educated abroad.

Also, in playing the patent game, it is clear that anything is fair game, and we regularly get patents approved that should never see the light of day due to obviousness and/or prior art. We've even pointed out prior art to the lawyers writing up the patent, and have been told to ignore it (doubly so if it's particularly obscure). The reasoning being that until a patent is challenged in court, no one spends much effort looking for prior art. The patent office clearly doesn't.

Re:We have to get rid of software patents (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about a year and a half ago | (#42071597)

I was pulling a random example out of thin air of a place that might not have patent protections the way America does.

Still, given operating costs, it's not unfeasible to imagine that the real barriers to entry aren't going to be patent fees or suits. Rather, you know, manufacturing or regulatory issues.

Arghh.... (3, Funny)

ls671 (1122017) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070109)

Let's put an end to this please. Void all current and ban any further patent suits. Then, everybody can go home and have a party with Warren (Warren Cuccurullo) to celebrate the end of patent wars!

Re:Arghh.... (1)

Swampash (1131503) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070155)

Let's put an end to this please. Void all current and ban any further patent suits. Then, everybody can go home and have a party with Warren (Warren Cuccurullo) to celebrate the end of patent wars!

Bahahahaha, this is a stupid post. AND THAT'S THE WAY I LIKE IT.

Re:Arghh.... (1)

ls671 (1122017) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070647)

Somebody got the reference right for sure, for sure... From somewhere in the Valley...

Oppa gangster style! (1)

sageres (561626) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070153)

Finally! I knew after what Samsung had to go through with Apple few months ago, Oppa would come back with revenge.

what comes around (0, Flamebait)

lophophore (4087) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070489)

What comes around, goes around. Or perhaps "as you sow, so shall you reap."

The problem for Apple is that Samsung's patents actually matter. If they get a reasonable jury (e.g. not in Apple's back yard with a highly biased foreman) there is a good chance that they should prevail. Apple used Samsung's tech without a license, then made the mistake to sue Samsung as a proxy for Google.

The same is true for Motorola's H.264 and 802.11 patents. Apple used the patented technology without a license, and they are going to end up paying.

Re:what comes around (1, Interesting)

Tough Love (215404) | about a year and a half ago | (#42071451)

Since Apple introduced the iPhone 5 its stock dropped $140, about 20%, or $132 billion of shareholder value evaporated. Could this have something to do with forgetting to innovate while putting all its energy into litigate?

Re:what comes around (1)

Tim99 (984437) | about a year and a half ago | (#42071707)

Probably not. It is as likely to be due to our (fraction of) one percent overlords pumping and shorting stock

Re:what comes around (1)

JasterBobaMereel (1102861) | about a year and a half ago | (#42073447)

If you can tell the difference between an iPhone4S and an iPhone5 then you have one ... and by that time you have already bought it ..

What are the advantages of the iPhone5 .... I have no idea and I have seen adverts for it?

but of course that doesn't apply... (1)

Uberbah (647458) | about a year and a half ago | (#42073799)

What comes around, goes around. Or perhaps "as you sow, so shall you reap."

...to when Korean cell phone companies - like, saaaay, Samsung - had the iPhone banned for a couple years in Korea. But, as with Google's use of the patents they acquired from Mototrola, it's just fine to swing your patent dick around....as long as your name isn't Apple.

Lawyers game (3, Insightful)

dimeglio (456244) | about a year and a half ago | (#42070583)

Well it's going to be another good year for law firms. I expect Samsung to have their fun as well but it's unlikely they'll have much of a case vs Apple. They might win some but lose many. Lawyers, they will all the time.

Re:Lawyers game (2, Informative)

Karzz1 (306015) | about a year and a half ago | (#42073821)

I know this is not your point, but do you realize that Apple has been *losing* most of their lawsuits against Samsung and that the US lawsuit Apple did win will probably be overturned on appeal?

Sigh (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42071235)

I remember when patents were for cool inventions designed to solve a real-world problem.

Re:Sigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42071701)

Problem is, everything cool was invented in the 90's and is just being reused in new ways. Now they're going back and filing for all of the stuff everyone thought was obvious back then.

I think it would be fantastically interesting if the "obviousness" of a patent by someone with basic knowledge of the subject somehow influenced if a patent was granted. Too bad not being obvious isn't a requirement.

Samsung can suck it (0)

jsepeta (412566) | about a year and a half ago | (#42071807)

I'm so sick of Samsung/Android ripping off Apple, and Apple in turn stealing their features. Someone needs to put a stop to this.

Re:Samsung can suck it (-1, Flamebait)

Targon (17348) | about a year and a half ago | (#42073199)

When Apple has not really brought anything NEW to the table in years, and instead has just done a copy of what others have invented, it becomes clear that people are not copying APPLE, but instead can be copying from the same inspiration that Apple used. For example, NFC is available on multiple Android devices, but it is NOT a new idea. Apple looks at this, comes up with its own modified implementation, and then claims it invented the idea of NFC, rather than their own implementation of the idea. Invention then becomes a new implementation of an existing idea to Apple, while for others, it is working on new concepts that really are new and innovative.

Larger screens and higher resolutions for screens, smaller, lighter, thinner implementations of the same thing...those are not INVENTIONS, and should be seen as naturally evolving things. Individual solutions in the form of copyright can make sense, since even if a concept is known, there is a lot of work that goes into figuring out how to implement that concept, and THAT should not automatically be open for others to duplicate. Without the concept of copyright, there is nothing that would prevent AMD from just looking at the exact designs that Intel is using in chips and then implementing them in its own chips.

counter slander (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42072231)

..

Market Share (1)

sociocapitalist (2471722) | about a year and a half ago | (#42072307)

It isn't about winning the lawsuits necessarily. It's also about delaying the competition 'to market'. The more one player can block the other, the longer they have to establish market share in a given area.

"Here we go again" (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about a year and a half ago | (#42073247)

Again? when did it really end?

Where will it end? ( most likely when you cant even pee without being sued and all commerce comes to a grinding halt. )

Apple to blame. Apple patents are crap. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42073683)

Samsung is just trying to protect itself against Apple's constant vexatious litigation. The patents that Apple is using for Apple's numerous scam lawsuits are all pure crap. Apple's patents are all bullshit design patents, like the shape of an icon, or rounded corners. Nothing that is Apple is suing over is real invention.

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