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Police Raid Home of 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay User, Seize "Winnie the Pooh" Laptop

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the that's-some-mighty-fine-police-work-there-lou dept.

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zacharye writes "Copyright enforcement might be getting out of hand in Scandinavia. As anti-piracy groups and copyright owners continue to work with authorities to curtail piracy in the region, police this week raided the home of a 9-year-old suspect and confiscated her "Winnie the Pooh" laptop. TorrentFreak reports that the girl's home was raided after local anti-piracy group CIAPC determined copyrighted files had been downloaded illegally at her residence. Her father, the Internet service account holder, was contacted by CIAPC, which demanded that he pay a 600 euro fine and sign a non-disclosure agreement to settle the matter. When the man did not comply, authorities raided his home and collected evidence, including his 9-year-old daughter's notebook computer."

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Sensational! (5, Insightful)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 2 years ago | (#42070169)

A pretty sensationalist summary of what can only be charitably described as an article, which itself is long on innuendo but short on actual, you know, "facts".

All that can really be said is that they raided the guys house and among other things took the childâ(TM)s laptop. There is no evidence in this story that the child was the primary suspect or even a suspect at all.

The most that can really be said is the 600 euro fine (and the non-disclosure agreement) is absurd for what the alleged crime is.

Re:Sensational! (5, Insightful)

Swampash (1131503) | about 2 years ago | (#42070231)

Big Media, winning hearts and minds.

Re:Sensational! (0, Offtopic)

symbolset (646467) | about 2 years ago | (#42070531)

This artist [facebook.com] is about to get global fame beyond her wildest hopes. Literally. Her name is all over the news and the blogs internationally. People have started their tirades on her facebook wall. One Reddit thread has 3000 balance of up/down votes and 2000 comments and will be trending for a week. It's a shame she was never represented by these copyright trolls in the first place, or she would deserve it. Maybe she should sue the trolls? Defamation of character or something?

Re:Sensational! (-1, Troll)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | about 2 years ago | (#42070595)

One Reddit thread has 3000 balance of up/down votes and 2000 comments and will be trending for a week.

Referencing/reading "Reddit" - that's adorable.

Re:Sensational! (4, Informative)

Cruciform (42896) | about 2 years ago | (#42070237)

I remember when a member of an abandonware IRC channel got raided back in the late 90s. They took his game consoles, music CDs, and anything they felt like "as evidence".
Never did find out what came of that. Seemed like a lot of effort wasted on someone whose big thing was collecting classic games like Alley Cat.

Re:Sensational! (3, Insightful)

game kid (805301) | about 2 years ago | (#42070643)

Never did find out what came of that. Seemed like a lot of effort wasted on someone whose big thing was collecting classic games like Alley Cat.

What do you mean? They now have his game consoles, music CDs, and anything they felt like taking "as evidence". The effort paid off (for the raiders)!

Re:Sensational! (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070243)

From reading the story it seems like the father admitted that the daughter tried to download some songs but was unable to because the download failed for some reason so they went out and the CD she wanted. While I don't agree with the way the music industry handles all of this I don't pirate content because I don't want to deal with this crap. But on the same note I buy very very very little music now. I used to buy CDs or when itunes came out albums all the time at least one a month. Now I'm lucky if I buy one song a year.

Re:Sensational! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070293)

That's ****NOT**** what the story says or even implies.

Re:Sensational! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070379)

According to TorrentFreak, the girl tried to download a number of songs by Finnish pop star Chisu using The Pirate Bay, where she was led after searching for the songs on Google (GOOG). The downloads failed, according to the girl’s father, and the two went to a local store the following day to purchase a Chisu album. ISPs working with CIAPC flagged the activity, however, and the group’s anti-piracy procedures went into effect.

Emphasis added.

Re:Sensational! (4, Interesting)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about 2 years ago | (#42070549)

Additionally and to add to the absurdity of the CIAPC response:

Indeed upon hearing about the situation Chisu apologized to the 9-year-old and pointed to a link on Spotify where her music can be played for free"

http://www.techspot.com/news/50888-police-raid-targets-9-year-old-pirate-winnie-the-pooh-laptop-seized.html [techspot.com]

Re:Sensational! (0)

TheLink (130905) | about 2 years ago | (#42070791)

That's nice but the music as recorded might not be 100% hers to say its free or not. If it isn't she may be aiding and abetting copyright infringement.

If an Adobe Photoshop developer working for Adobe publicly pointed out where people could download Photoshop for free that does not automatically make everything OK.

Of course it would be even more bad PR to try to take Chisu down- the legit customers would be unhappy. In contrast only a minority of the photoshop customers would care if the adobe photoshop developer got in big trouble.

Direct link (5, Informative)

aNonnyMouseCowered (2693969) | about 2 years ago | (#42070289)

The "article" mostly quotes from Torrent Freak. Here's the longer source:

http://torrentfreak.com/police-raid-9-year-old-pirate-bay-girl-confiscate-winnie-the-pooh-laptop-121122/ [torrentfreak.com]

Re:Direct link (5, Insightful)

Mitreya (579078) | about 2 years ago | (#42070449)

Thank you for the link
It's the tidbits like this that make me feel warm and fuzzy about copyright and police:

"It would have been easier for all concerned if you had paid the compensation," the police advised

Any other law violation you either get searched/charged or let off the hook.
How about next time you are charged with (actual) theft, someone calls you first and offers to pay 600 euros to avoid the hassle? Why is this a valid option for copyright violation accusations?

Re:Direct link (4, Insightful)

v1 (525388) | about 2 years ago | (#42070759)

Any other law violation you either get searched/charged or let off the hook.
How about next time you are charged with (actual) theft, someone calls you first and offers to pay 600 euros to avoid the hassle? Why is this a valid option for copyright violation accusations?

Unfortunately, "any other law" doesn't apply here. This is a civil violation, not a criminal one. Its not theft, it's copyright violation. It's extortion to demand money not to turn someone in for a criminal violation, but in civil matters you are free to offer a deal in exchange for not pressing charges. In criminal cases, the D.A. is the one pressing the charges, and in civil cases it's the plaintiff's lawyer, which is why they have the option.

The plaintiffs aren't the problem here. The police aren't the problem either. The plaintiffs are simply taking advantage of the law as written for their own benefit, and the police are just playing along by the rules as required. It's the Bad Law that's to blame. You can't blame companies and greedy people for being greedy, it's what they DO. You can't blame the police for enforcing the law, it's also what they DO. The only one to blame is your legislator, who created the Bad Law, whom you voted in. That means blame yourself, and work to get the laws changed.

Re:Direct link (3, Insightful)

rtb61 (674572) | about 2 years ago | (#42070785)

Of course you can blame them, the whole idea that it is OK to bend laws so far out of shape that they only serve they psychopathically greedy is a OK, is insane, as insane as those douche who exploit the law. Blame the crap out of the, avoid the products, find the actual individuals involved and make their lives a misery just like they want to do to the rest of us. "NAME AND SHAME".

Re:Direct link (4, Informative)

Delarth799 (1839672) | about 2 years ago | (#42070763)

Because a lot of the time they don't have much if any actual evidence to stand on so the threaten people with letters and most just pay to avoid further hassle. Then they are forced to sign a non-disclosure agreement which most likely has a clause about not talking about the settlement thus allowing everything to be swept under the rug.

Re:Direct link (-1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 2 years ago | (#42070457)

Having failed in her quest to put enough money in her piggy bank to buy the latest album from local multi-platinum-selling songstress Chisu, in 2011 she turned to the Internet, first via Google and then The Pirate Bay.

So, by herself, the 9-year old installed a torrent application and navigated to Pirate Bay... Yes, sure she did.

Again, why sensationalize the story by pitting the Storm Troopers against a 9-year old, when common sense says that's not what happened?

Re:Direct link (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070517)

Why do you doubt that a 9 year old is capable of a few simple mouse gestures and clicks? I was typing in BASIC programs into my Vic-20 when I was 6, I'm pretty sure kids these days can manage this just fine.

Re:Direct link (-1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 2 years ago | (#42070621)

Why do you doubt that a 9 year old is capable of a few simple mouse gestures and clicks? I was typing in BASIC programs into my Vic-20 when I was 6, I'm pretty sure kids these days can manage this just fine.

On your "Winnie The Pooh" laptop? Seriously, I'm not trying to say anything that was done was "wrong", I'm saying that the whole story has been sugar coated by bias and is not objective.

Clearly daddy downloaded or tried to download the "copyrighted" content in question, why *HIDE* behind a 9-year old? Stand up like a man and say you did it, and "what about it?"

Re:Direct link (1)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about 2 years ago | (#42070693)

Hahaha! I didn't note the "winnie the pooh" laptop part. It only says that they confiscated a pooh laptop. There's no explicit statement that the downloading occurred on the pooh-bear laptop. It's easy enough to download a torrent via firefox on a linux distro which could have been on a family computer. And since linux runs on so much hardware, i betcha "pooh-bear" could have been running linux, but yeah I've gotta agree with you here. It's not likely that it happened on the pooh laptop.

Re:Direct link (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 2 years ago | (#42070705)

There's no explicit statement that the downloading occurred on the pooh-bear laptop.

If not on the pooh laptop, than daddy did it, NOT the 9-year old.

Re:Direct link (2, Insightful)

sjames (1099) | about 2 years ago | (#42070825)

I see no reason at all that it is clearly the dad that attempted the download. What makes you think a 9 year old is incapable of installing a torrent application and clicking on a link? If anything, it's usually the kids that help mom and dad with things like that.

Do you have some additional information that actually suggests that the dad did it?

Re:Direct link (1)

arth1 (260657) | about 2 years ago | (#42070657)

Why do you doubt that a 9 year old is capable of a few simple mouse gestures and clicks? I was typing in BASIC programs into my Vic-20 when I was 6, I'm pretty sure kids these days can manage this just fine.

Sure, she could be clever or good with computers, but upon preponderance of the evidence I'm not entirely convinced. I could be wrong, but I think there might be a negative correlation between using Winnie the Pooh laptops and technical skills.

Re:Direct link (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070523)

So, by herself, the 9-year old installed a torrent application and navigated to Pirate Bay... Yes, sure she did.

Sure, why not? Have you ever actually met a 9-year-old? Kids can be damn clever, especially when it comes to getting technology to provide entertainment.

Re:Direct link (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070731)

No, I've never met a 9-year old. In fact, I was never 9 years old myself. Went straight from 8 to 10 and skipped the whole 9 year old phase.

Re:Direct link (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070555)

I don't know what you were doing as a nine-year old, but back in my day we were all installing Napster, and our parents didn't know shit.

Re:Direct link (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070563)

Having failed in her quest to put enough money in her piggy bank to buy the latest album from local multi-platinum-selling songstress Chisu, in 2011 she turned to the Internet, first via Google and then The Pirate Bay.

So, by herself, the 9-year old installed a torrent application and navigated to Pirate Bay... Yes, sure she did.

Again, why sensationalize the story by pitting the Storm Troopers against a 9-year old, when common sense says that's not what happened?

Opera has a built-in torrent application and the kid has her own laptop... you think she's been using it as a pillow? At that age I was copying and playing cracked C64 games with little clue of the english language so I'm pretty sure she'd manage google and a few clicks to get started.

Re:Direct link (2)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about 2 years ago | (#42070599)

You do NOT know how smart 9-year-old girls really are. If you were a parent, or a 9-year-old boy or girl, you would know the correct answer: 9-year-old girls are geniuses with tech. Seriously, what's so hard about opening transmission? It comes preinstalled on Linux distributions. Open up firefox, hit a magnet link, and it asks "do you want to open this link with 'transmission'?" It also gives you the option of switching the default torrent app to Ktorrent.
;>P
It's so fvkcing easy to click on links in the browser and get a torrent download started, even an ADULT could do it. Any child can do it without a problem. The trick is sometimes finding the torrent or magnet link in the first place.

Re:Direct link (2)

jamesh (87723) | about 2 years ago | (#42070769)

You do NOT know how smart 9-year-old girls really are. If you were a parent, or a 9-year-old boy or girl, you would know the correct answer: 9-year-old girls are geniuses with tech. Seriously, what's so hard about opening transmission? It comes preinstalled on Linux distributions. Open up firefox, hit a magnet link, and it asks "do you want to open this link with 'transmission'?" It also gives you the option of switching the default torrent app to Ktorrent. ;>P

It's so fvkcing easy to click on links in the browser and get a torrent download started, even an ADULT could do it. Any child can do it without a problem. The trick is sometimes finding the torrent or magnet link in the first place.

She can't be that smart... she got caught didn't she? :)

Also, you'll likely find kids with parents who can't or won't help them on the computer can be a bit better at it too. My kids always want to take the easy way out and get dad to do it for them, but it's amazing what they can do when they really want something done and you won't help them right now.

Re:Direct link (4, Funny)

grcumb (781340) | about 2 years ago | (#42070837)

She can't be that smart... she got caught didn't she? :)

This time. The test will be to measure what havoc she wreaks on her tormentors once she gets her new My Little Pony rig and goes all Princess Digital on their asses.

Re:Direct link (5, Funny)

grcumb (781340) | about 2 years ago | (#42070843)

She can't be that smart... she got caught didn't she? :)

This time. The test will be to measure what havoc she wreaks on her tormentors once she gets her new My Little Pony rig and goes all Princess Digital on their asses.

Well... My Little Pwnie, actually....

Re:Direct link (1)

Ost99 (101831) | about 2 years ago | (#42070675)

The original article quotes the father saying the download failed; so she might have downloaded a torrent file with no client to open it with.

Re:Direct link (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070687)

Installing a torrent client and finding tpb through google is entirely possible for almost any 9 year old kid.
Back in the Amiga days the cool 9-year olds used BBS's to pirate games.

My 2-year old kid navigates Netflix by her self, and I've found my 7 year old kid trying to upload a video she made with her camera to youtube. I expect an OS (re)install to be feasible for many computer interested 9 year olds.

Re:Direct link (1)

ninlilizi (2759613) | about 2 years ago | (#42070691)

At 9 years old I was teaching myself to programme assembler using debug and edlin as was pre-installed on my state of the art ms-dos 3.2 system.
Wrote my first boot sector virus that year.

Re:Sensational! (4, Informative)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about 2 years ago | (#42070363)

The girl was one that tried to download copyrighted material. She did not know what she was doing was illegal. She tired to google it, and came across pirate bay. Read the TorrentFreak article. It is more informative.

Re:Sensational! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070633)

Ignorance of the law is not a defense.

Re:Sensational! (5, Informative)

DeeEff (2370332) | about 2 years ago | (#42070859)

Not only is she 9 years old, but she never actually SUCCESSFULLY pirated anything. She never broke any law.

Furthermore, her father took her to the store and actually PAID FOR THE CONTENT the very next day. 600 Euros in damages for a crime that wasn't committed claiming damages that were.... what? How were they damaged? They didn't even lose a sale. So I guess this whole thing is bollocks then, and there should be no reason for them to raid a home and start taking things on a whim.

Re:Sensational! (3, Insightful)

Zemran (3101) | about 2 years ago | (#42070513)

No one should be expected to sign a non disclosure agreement in relation to something like this. I would also refuse. If I had in fact been downloading stuff in a country where downloading is not allowed, I would consider the 600 Euro settlement but to be asked to sign away any right to argue to legality or fairness of my treatment should be illegal.

Re:Sensational! (4, Insightful)

GumphMaster (772693) | about 2 years ago | (#42070857)

The most that can really be said is the 600 euro fine (and the non-disclosure agreement) is absurd for what the alleged crime is.

I agree it is absurd, but not because of the amount involved. It's not a 600 Euro fine levied by a court after due process, but an extortion payment to a private enterprise. The NDA is designed to ensure that similar extortion targets cannot challenge assertions on the part of the extorter such as, "Everyone settles for 600 Euros," or "Fifty-thousand people thought it better to settle than fight." The NDA also serves as part of the threat: dare to go public about our extortion racket and we will sue you into the stone age for breach of contract. Suing for breach of contract is a much easier target. The sooner we start treating the extortive threat of legal action as a crime the better.

Dear CIAPC (5, Insightful)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | about 2 years ago | (#42070191)

FUCK YOU.

First! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070195)

First!

Get it right. (5, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | about 2 years ago | (#42070205)

Its a home invasion, not a raid.. Stop sugar coating police activity.

Re:Get it right. (-1, Flamebait)

Albanach (527650) | about 2 years ago | (#42070233)

If someone is committing a crime from their home - in many countries, copyright infringement is a criminal as well as civil offense - should the police not be allowed to enter and put a stop to it?

If you disagree with the criminal designation, talk to politicians. They make the laws.

Re:Get it right. (5, Insightful)

fredprado (2569351) | about 2 years ago | (#42070287)

Not there. In Finland it is not a criminal offence and the police clearly ignored the law and did what their owners (the corporations) wanted them to do, thus the need for the non-disclosure agreement. Now it remains to be seen if the courts will follow the law or blatantly ignore it and just do as they want like in the Piratebay trial in Sweden.

Re:Get it right. (2)

dnaumov (453672) | about 2 years ago | (#42070353)

Except, of course, that "tekijänoikeusrikos" which is what the child is suspected of is most definately a crime.

"Rikos" = crime in finnish language.

Re:Get it right. (1)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | about 2 years ago | (#42070481)

It's actually "tekijänoikeusrikkomus," ie. breach of copyright. It does not in any way or form imply criminality.

Re:Get it right. (1)

Albanach (527650) | about 2 years ago | (#42070463)

Not there. In Finland it is not a criminal offence and the police clearly ignored the law

That's strange, this academic paper [scandinavianlaw.se] suggests otherwise.

The Wikipedia page on Finland's 2005 amendment to the Copyright Act and Penal Code [wikipedia.org] also says this was made a crime some seven years ago, bringing Finland into line with the EU copyright directive.

Do you have a source for your claim?

Re:Get it right. (1)

fredprado (2569351) | about 2 years ago | (#42070537)

From your own link.

Downloading for personal use won't be punished, but it may lead to claims for damages, if the copier knows or should have known that the source is illegal.

As in most places in the world, downloading is not a crime.

Re:Get it right. (4, Informative)

Albanach (527650) | about 2 years ago | (#42070623)

As in most places in the world, downloading is not a crime.

A lot of file sharing software is designed to upload simultaneously with the download. BitTorrent would be a popular example.

Re:Get it right. (2)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | about 2 years ago | (#42070641)

As in most places in the world, downloading is not a crime.

A lot of file sharing software is designed to upload simultaneously with the download. BitTorrent would be a popular example.

Indeed, and that is the issue in almost all these cases: downloading in and of itself isn't the criminal part, it's the uploading. There are plenty of ways of downloading stuff even without uploading, though, including on BitTorrent.

Re:Get it right. (2)

fredprado (2569351) | about 2 years ago | (#42070815)

The difference is that in many countries downloading isn't even a civil liability (in Finland it is but the damages paid are relatively low). So you are at risk of being sued only when you upload in these countries. In most sane places in the world, and even insane places like US, uploading this way is a civil liability not a criminal offence. Actually I am not aware of a single country in the world where uploading a file in a p2p program at home has been judged by any court as a criminal offence (at least yet).

For it to be a crime there is usually the need of money being involved, or at least a professional distribution scheme found.

Re:Get it right. (1)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | about 2 years ago | (#42070569)

Unauthorized file sharing can be punished as a crime, even though it wouldn't be done for profit.
Downloading illegal copies on the Internet will be prohibited. Downloading for personal use won't be punished

These are taken from your own link and clearly state that sharing is a crime, but downloading isn't.

Re:Get it right. (1)

Albanach (527650) | about 2 years ago | (#42070639)

These are taken from your own link and clearly state that sharing is a crime, but downloading isn't.

So look at the TorrentFreak article that was the source for the one in the intro:

One such request for cash landed on the doorstep of an Internet account holder in Finland during the spring. Known locally as TTVK, Finnish anti-piracy group CIAPC sent the man a letter informing him that his account had been traced back to an incidence of online file-sharing.

It was file-sharing that was being investigated, not simple downloading.

Re:Get it right. (1)

fredprado (2569351) | about 2 years ago | (#42070619)

And from the paper you linked:

Unlawfulness and fault concepts required by Finnish Copyright Act and by the Criminal Code turn out being complicated concepts, especially in the network environment. For copyright crime, certain kind of “professionalism” and wilfulness as well a certain wide scope of activity are required. For copyright offence, gross negligence suffices. Instead for tort liability unlawfulness without subjective criteria can lead to high damages for copyright infringement

Therefore you have provided yourself the sources for my claim. Next time I recommend you take the time to read the material you are linking before you post links to it.

Re:Get it right. (1)

Albanach (527650) | about 2 years ago | (#42070663)

Your quote says nothing about the file-sharing that was alleged to have taken place not being potentially criminal and therefore worthy of police investigation.

File-sharing is what is alleged to have taken place (read the source article form Torrent Freak). File sharing is punishable as a crime in Finland (and across the EU) and therefore is investigated by the police.

Re:Get it right. (1)

fredprado (2569351) | about 2 years ago | (#42070789)

Oh it says exactly that:

For copyright crime, certain kind of “professionalism” and willfulness as well a certain wide scope of activity are required.

Read it again and again until it sinks, you will eventually get the meaning. Unless of course you are arguing that the 9 year old girl is the head of a professional illegal distribution network. Maybe the Chinese or the Russian mafia?

Re:Get it right. (1)

Chewbacon (797801) | about 2 years ago | (#42070873)

Money talks. The struggles surrounding the legal process of stopping piracy is a classic example, and proof, that people will only be policed as much as they allow themselves to. So money and survival comes in to play. "I'll pay you to do something wrong," says the business men. "Ok, I know it's wrong, but I have a family to feed," says the police. "I'll ignore this as long as I can, so long as it doesn't hurt me", says the proletariat.

EXTORTION, real honest to goodness extortion (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070349)

If I threaten to reveal a crime you did, and demand money in exchange, that's extortion.

Which is exactly the problem with these 'dual' laws. The police become the arm of an extortion racket, where the reason for paying up is the threat of a police raid.

What CIAPC did WAS EXTORTION, because they could not offer him immunity from a copyright infringement claim or criminal claim against him. Their claim to pay up 600 euros or they go to the police is therefore cleancut extortion. The NDA is confirmation that they know its extortion.

Re:Get it right. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070241)

Stop stealing what doesn't belong to you.

Re:Get it right. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070319)

It's not stealing, jackass.

Re:Get it right. (4, Funny)

Drishmung (458368) | about 2 years ago | (#42070343)

Agree!

Oh, you are referring to the theft of the laptop, aren't you?

Re:Get it right. (2)

Dunbal (464142) | about 2 years ago | (#42070443)

Then put the musical notes back where you found them. And the chords, too. All of them.

Re:Get it right. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070707)

I hope you spend time in prison for being a thief and I hope you get the AIDS rape while you're there.

Re:Get it right. (1)

petman (619526) | about 2 years ago | (#42070717)

As opposed to stealing what belongs to me?

Downloading (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070269)

Since when are they going after people for downloading? Uploaders are usually the ones who get hit.

Re:Downloading (0)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 2 years ago | (#42070337)

If you download a torrent, you're also uploading.

- A friendly message from the country with the Skynet Act

Re:Downloading (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070391)

If you download somethling large (say 12GB of data) at max speed but upload at only 0.1 Kb/s the exchange is nowhere near proportionate. Yes, it's a douche thing to do, but you can't blame people for being paranoid. You would probably upload less than 75 Mb by the time the download is finished, depending on your download speed. The little bit you actually distribute is practically useless by itself. It's kind of like only sharing a few seconds of a song or movie instead of the whole thing.

Re:Downloading (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070811)

Go take another nigger dick up the ass.

Re:Get it right. (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about 2 years ago | (#42070339)

Well, I logged in to say that if a warrant was obtained, then the action was as legal as enforcing anti-racism laws. But, since the article is completely secondhand information from "Torrentfreak" and contains no link to the source, I can't say.

And the whole "home invasion" thing stinks of an American right-wing nutbag sitting at home polishing his guns dreaming of the day he opens fire on police. You might want to change your memes to get a more sympathetic audience.

Re:Get it right. (1)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | about 2 years ago | (#42070609)

Actually home invasion makes me think of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faML0QvVb2A [youtube.com]

You might want to see how far back the phrase goes before trying to turn it into a political bunch of nonsense.

It's a Matrix prequel, Matrix Origins: Trinity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070451)

Touch me and that hand will never touch anything again.

Scandinavia, the great country! (4, Interesting)

hyfe (641811) | about 2 years ago | (#42070247)

Seriously, this so-called article doesn't even state which country it happended in.. nor does any of the links in it.

I live in Norway, in this certainly hasn't hit the news here.. and if it did, you can be damn sure there would be hell to pay for somebody. Our authorities are so fucking nice that even after Breivik blew up our government headquarters and shot around 80 kids.. one by one.. we still hadn't scrambled the military or even gotten choppers in the air. I honestly suspect if our police (who don't have guns) tried to take a 9 year old girls laptop they would comply when she kicked them and told them go away :)

Re:Scandinavia, the great country! (3, Informative)

LucidBeast (601749) | about 2 years ago | (#42070267)

Happened in Finland

Re:Scandinavia, the great country! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070807)

Happened in Finland

Which isn't part of Scandinavia.

Re:Scandinavia, the great country! (5, Insightful)

hyfe (641811) | about 2 years ago | (#42070275)

I honestly suspect if our police (who don't have guns) tried to take a 9 year old girls laptop they would comply when she kicked them and told them go away :)

Oh, and I wouldn't have it any other way.. damn proud of it in fact.

Re:Scandinavia, the great country! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070281)

It was Finland.

Re:Scandinavia, the great country! (2)

Pyrus.mg (1152215) | about 2 years ago | (#42070307)

Honestly, I don't know why any article with a source [torrentfreak.com] link at the bottom of it ends up in slashdot summary.

Re:Scandinavia, the great country! (1)

maroberts (15852) | about 2 years ago | (#42070477)

Our authorities are so fucking nice that even after Breivik blew up our government headquarters and shot around 80 kids.. one by one.. we still hadn't scrambled the military or even gotten choppers in the air. I honestly suspect if our police (who don't have guns) tried to take a 9 year old girls laptop they would comply when she kicked them and told them go away :)

I couldn't decide whether your comment was +1 Funny, +1 Insightful or +1 Tragic

Re:Scandinavia, the great country! (1)

someones (2687911) | about 2 years ago | (#42070535)

just read the article, there are at least links to response articles.
Therefore it holds that the story was not made up by torrentfreak.

Non-disclosure? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070261)

This is the suspect part. Why would they want the father to sign a non-disclosure agreement? How is fining the man a deterrent to others if they never hear about it?

These are rhetorical questions of course, as its obvious why.

Re:Non-disclosure? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070855)

Rhetorical, hell. Why is it legal to demand a non-disclosure agreement for a fine? And even if it's not an enforceable agreement ('can't sign your rights away'), it still has to be illegal to demand such a thing. Otherwise your laws have a wide-open road for extortion.

And is it even a "fine"? These guys are not a government body as far as I can tell from their site [antipiracy.fi] ; they'd surely trumpet that if they were. Nor is the father a member of some group agreement with them, which'd be the only other way to levy a fine.

Whole lot of WTF? with this one. Is there an alternative translation perhaps?

I Imagine (0)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about 2 years ago | (#42070277)

A significant proportion of all homes raided contain young children and in the case of cyber crimes the kids computer would likely get confiscated as well.

Regardless on how you feel about piracy, criminals do not get a free pass simply because they have children.

Re:I Imagine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070323)

Except for the fact that copyright infringement is a civil matter unless (IIRC) it's for a huge amount of offenses or if it's done for profit. You really think the goddamn media companies wouldn't hesitate to throw downloaders in jail if they could?

Re:I Imagine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070329)

Funny thing is, sharing doesn't make you a fucking criminal.

Re:I Imagine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070361)

Regardless on how you feel about piracy, criminals do not get a free pass simply because they have children.

but in this case the child had a "Winnie the Pooh" laptop!

Slashdot and my real life meet for the first time (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070283)

This morning my girlfriend told me about her friend whose daughter's laptop was seized after they demanded a 600 euro fine.

Also, Finland is not Scandinavia.

Re:Slashdot and my real life meet for the first ti (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 2 years ago | (#42070355)

Don't lie. This is Slashdot. It was your mom who told you her friend's daughter's laptop was seized.

Re:Slashdot and my real life meet for the first ti (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070737)

There's no reason to call him a liar. For all we know, he might be having an inappropriate relationship with his mother.
I think you owe him an apology.

Re:Slashdot and my real life meet for the first ti (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070849)

Maybe not in Finnish, but in English it is.

for the last time (5, Insightful)

alienzed (732782) | about 2 years ago | (#42070291)

It's not theft if the original owner still has it.

Re:for the last time (5, Informative)

KiloByte (825081) | about 2 years ago | (#42070371)

The laptop's owner no longer has it. So a theft did occur, under false colour of law.

TFA is a travesty; here's a REAL article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070297)

I suspect this is the article TFA refers to:

http://torrentfreak.com/police-raid-9-year-old-pirate-bay-girl-confiscate-winnie-the-pooh-laptop-121122/

DO NOT MESS WITH VIKINGS !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070403)

They are purple people eaters !! And they will eat bears for breakfast !! And if you streal you must pay the fine, and keep quiet about it !! OR ELSE !!

I bet she was running a honey pot. (5, Funny)

PDX (412820) | about 2 years ago | (#42070461)

I bet the kid was running a honey pot. What else was a Pooh to do?

Goood work (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070543)

nice to see police actually doing something useful.

She has stolen. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070547)

She has stolen the valuable property that belongs to others. Destroy her. Make an example out of her, to frighten other criminal children away from sharing ILLEGAL music. Consume her soul. We must protect the financial rights of immaterial property owners at all cost. Throw her in jail. Let her rot. If she dies it will serve as a warning to others. Support your industry rights organizations today. Buy now.

Winnie Done Poohed When She Saw Them Coppers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070627)

And if you have seen Winnie's pooh you know that it is not a pretty sight. Not a prety sight. My condolences to the Raiders. You do not get paid enough. May you tromp down many a door in your futures. God Bless, and Hail Mary.

NAS Drive (1)

aaarrrgggh (9205) | about 2 years ago | (#42070749)

Whew... Good thing they would never find the NAS drive or Sheva Plug that were actually responsible for the download. (No.)

Reminder to everyone... Create a guest network with 40 bit WEP and have a NAS device with an onboard Bit Torrent client do all your dirty work.

Might as well start using strategies of real criminals if this is the response. Might get you chance at unreasonable search and seizure.

Re:NAS Drive (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42070865)

Reminder to everyone... Create a guest network with 40 bit WEP and have a NAS device with an onboard Bit Torrent client do all your dirty work.

Right, they'll never think to take the odd-looking computer box thing with the blinky lights. Nope.

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