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1976 Polaroids of an Apple-1 Resurface

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the instant-but-slow dept.

Apple 120

harrymcc writes "In 1976, Paul Terrell, owner of the Byte Shop in Mountain View, California, placed an order for 50 Apple-1 computers, becoming Apple's first dealer. Over at TIME.com, I've published three Polaroid snapshots of the Apple-1 which Terrell shot at the time. They're fascinating history, and it's possible they're the oldest surviving photos of Apple products."

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Just a marketing scheme (5, Funny)

dadelbunts (1727498) | about 2 years ago | (#42080185)

They are actually new photos with new instagram filters.

Re:Just a marketing scheme (5, Funny)

supersat (639745) | about 2 years ago | (#42080277)

Oh come on... these polaroids look MUCH better than Instagram photos!

Re:Just a marketing scheme (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42080651)

I'd swap these for pictures of the first Amiga wirewraps!

Re:Just a marketing scheme (1)

epSos-de (2741969) | about 2 years ago | (#42084281)

Yes, the prices are also very modern, if you account for inflation. Apple almost kept the same price for their gear, but changed the details a bit. Where is the mac key on that mac 1 for example ???

Damn you Instagram (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42080203)

WTF is with these crappy Instagram photos! I am shocked, SHOCKED, that hipsters were ruining important photos this far back, this kind of nonsense must end.

Nice and orderly (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42080221)

Ahhh chips all nicely laid out, not crammed in. Bliss.

Re:Nice and orderly (0)

Tablizer (95088) | about 2 years ago | (#42080233)

Now we have iCram

Re:Nice and orderly (2)

jellomizer (103300) | about 2 years ago | (#42080933)

However there comes a point where you need to add more chips and they expect the same size computer.

Re:Nice and orderly (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42081153)

The original iPhone, probably even the very first prototype working with the underclocked ARM, has a processing speed at least --ball-parking-- five times faster than all the Apple I manufactured by Apple ever. At the retail level, we only get a few choices in buying a new computer from anywhere... limited sizes, limited configurations, limited classes of accessories, and makers obfuscate the actual processing power. I'd like to be able to give my specs (this processing power at this size, with only this software, these interfaces and accessories, and nothing superfluous) and have them filled by the available technology... not told what size or choice of 5 configurations of computer I am expecting as a customer. Office towers, the now iconic 2'x2'x6"(-ish) boxes taking up a considerable amount of office space... just... why? ... when something the size of an apple, the delicious fruit, can have the processing density needed to fulfill what most users strictly need. I wish the manufacturing brand giants would consider offering true custom ordering and dedicate resources to solving the obvious issues of massive amounts of distinct orders. (Who knows? What if, say, within a million custom orders, the configurations would all fall into some tangibly producible and profitable business paradigm... so now there might be 15 distinct configs offered, and it's discovered there's only 489 configurations of precisely what the customer exactly wants. It might make sense to be the first to tackle the 50 most desired configurations of those... and work towards profitably covering most of the kinds of custom orders that are made. The cost of complexities involved in making a massive fully custom shop efficient would be covered by the volume of orders stolen from other mass produced systems.

Re:Nice and orderly (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42081377)

Build your own.

You're never going to find custom built one-off configurations at a reasonable price or desired availability. If you see a market for this, then study up on all the board options, chip options, etc, etc, and put together a website with a ridiculous number of configuration choices. You'll find that the vast majority of consumers have trouble picking between 2 or 3 different options let alone hundreds. There are a very small number of users who want the fine-grained component utopia that you're describing, but most of them will probably build it themselves since they've already done the homework to drill down to that level.

Re:Nice and orderly (1)

timeOday (582209) | about 2 years ago | (#42081741)

'Tis true. But the obsession with thin has gone too far IMHO. After "switching" to a MacBook Pro a couple years ago, I've just ordered a loaded-up Dell and am switching back. Partially this is because I need MS Office and the Mac version doesn't cut it for me, so I was always running a Windows VM anyways. But secondly, I wanted a swappable battery again. I wanted an expansion bay where I could put a second hard drive, or a second battery, or of course the CD ROM. I wanted a docking station (and weirdly the Thunderbolt still hasn't really provided equivalent options like I expected). Apple systems are just so integrated now that you can't reconfigure, upgrade, or repair them. (I do regret not getting to upgrade to a "retinal" display though. In fact the i7 processor, screen resolution, and 256 GB hardware-encrypted SSD on the Dell are all no better than I got on the Mac 2 years ago. Blah!)

Re:Nice and orderly (3, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | about 2 years ago | (#42081797)

Man...remember when ALL the boards were like that? Nice big boards, with big traces, everything was so damned easy to work on, its sooooo nice. Now they overpack the shit out of everything, you get even at ATX board where you think "Sure with THIS much space they won't cram" and NOPE, its cram city! Hell back in the day things started to look even slightly crammed it was daughterboard time, now you have to seriously watch 'em because the cramming makes it hell to insure that all the chips get decent airflow.

As for TFA...meh, the Apple I was okay, but the Apple II was the one that ended up being sold years after everybody else moved on, simply because so damned much software and add-ons were made for it people still wanted the unit, now THAT is impressive, to have your second time at bat, against companies with a HELL of a lot more money and experience under their belts, and to knock it out of the park like that? This is why even though I have never cared for the locked down nature of later Apple I give the two Steves credit, they pulled off some shit back then that would frankly be impossible in this lawsuit heavy megacorp world, they built a fricking empire from a garage...now THAT is impressive.

Re:Nice and orderly (3, Interesting)

mikael (484) | about 2 years ago | (#42083905)

The old BYTE magazines from the 1970's and 1980's were wonderful reading. The Circuit Cellar guide to building your own home security system with a 20Amp klaxxon air raid siren in the basement. Reviews of the workstations (Next Cube), motherboards and graphics cards [uni-marburg.de] of the time. What goes into a single ASIC now, would go into a dozen little chips and a full-size daughter board. State of the art visual effect was a silhouette halo like in Xanadu.

Had the chance to program 8-bit home computers like the Apple ][, Atari, BBC, and Atari ST. There were so many magazines out there, all giving program listings and information on building things like light pens, mini device drivers and games written in assembler. These days, you would get sued just for using a function call the wrong way.

And this is news? (1, Insightful)

bogaboga (793279) | about 2 years ago | (#42080227)

I mean...photos of one [famous] American company's early products? What has Slashdot become? Geez! Is this still news for nerds, stuff that matters? I guess I should post photos of earlier Motorola products, then claim space on Slashdot, right?

Re:And this is news? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42080273)

Timothy is a pro-Mac, pro-Israel Jew. He's the guy who got me permanently banned from posting while logging in, even though I have a record of posting as much as 4 +5 scoring posts in a single discussion.

from the instant-but-slow dept.

See those above, but in politically-charged discussions on his watch. He's the Michael that should have been kicked off this site long ago. Why does Stackexchange even have a forum for Judaism? [stackexchange.com] Like, seriously, Judaism on StackExchange? Because the Jews in high positions will do their best to shove it up your asses, of course.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:And this is news? (1, Offtopic)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about 2 years ago | (#42080357)

Dude, stackexchange is NOT stackoverflow. Stackexchange evens hosts a forum on bicycles, so why not a forum on Judaism? With questions of key values in times like these (!):
-- http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/22315/kashrus-status-of-turkeys [stackexchange.com] : Are turkeys kosher?
-- http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/10358/may-one-use-a-computer-script-to-do-something-specifically-on-shabbos-yom-tov [stackexchange.com] : Can you use computer scripts to automate actions to allow certain [forbidden?] activities on the Sabbath? The point in this one seems to be that the only ones who can earn Enthusiast or Fanatic badges on judaism.stackexchange.com would be those who use a computer on the sabbath and thus show themselves to be non-observant jews. Or perhaps I misread this. Either way, it sure seems like a valid forum.
.;>)
As to "is this [posting about polaroids] news", I have a memory of a very interesting thing that happened a while ago. I typed three letters as I had this memory. The thing that happened was tech related. Perhaps I ought to write a /. article and submit it. So as to the original point, I agree that the concept of a polaroid photograph of a techy object from the prior century has dubious standing to be an article on the "one true /." (reference to the "true scotsman" fallacy), but boy it fits with the stinking pile of non-tech articles that /. has become. So I agree with that your first point. (also see five to ten of my previous posts that agree with the drab-ness, non-tech-ness, non-news-for-nerdness of this site). I was tempted to not even answer this Q so as not to give this particular topic/posting any more validity. In fact, your questioning of the usefulness of this posting of a polaroid is more relevant to /. than the posting of the polaroid itself is.
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But I believe you are mistaking the narrow scope of stackoverflow for the wide berth of stackexchange's multiple topics and stacks.

Re:And this is news? (-1, Troll)

Whiteox (919863) | about 2 years ago | (#42081177)

I just don't understand why for fuck's sake, do jews continually bring up the fact that they are jewish?
Why? What's the point?

Re:And this is news? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42081431)

I just don't understand why for fuck's sake, do jews continually bring up the fact that they are jewish?
Why? What's the point?

Actually, many people of different religions mention their affiliation during conversation. Does "as a good Catholic" or "as a practicing Christian" ring a bell? I've heard both of those this holiday weekend and it's only Saturday morning. Perhaps it's intended to establish their point of reference or a starting point for their point of view.

Re:And this is news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42081825)

Yes, I accept all of that, but from my perspective, jews identify with their beliefs (and possibly lifestyle) much more than a christian or any other confession. The trick here is to disenfranchise 'religion' - the world would be a happier place.

Re:And this is news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42082341)

The trick here is to disenfranchise 'religion' - the world would be a happier place.

Except for the billions who believe in a religion. They would not be happier.

Re:And this is news? (3, Informative)

macraig (621737) | about 2 years ago | (#42080295)

The author of the piece has a Slashdot account that he can use to submit and promote his own work, and at least one Slashdot staffer is willing to let him do it. Is that good or bad? McCracken apparently isn't an exceptionally shoddy writer, since he's been making a living at it for decades.

Re:And this is news? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42081117)

Maybe not shoddy, but he is an apple shill.

Re:And this is news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083025)

Jesus Christ, get over it already.

Re:And this is news? (2)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 2 years ago | (#42083149)

at least one Slashdot staffer is willing to let him do it. Is that good or bad?

It's great. There's no reason people shouldn't submit their own work to Slashdot. It's the editor's job to decide if the readership would enjoy it or not. In this case - Apple I porn? C'mon, *of course*.

It's entirely consistent to both detest the actions of Apple, Inc., 2012 and be an admirer of what Woz did for computing.

Re:And this is news? (1)

macraig (621737) | about 2 years ago | (#42083161)

It's entirely consistent to both detest the actions of Apple, Inc., 2012 and be an admirer of what Woz did for computing.

Quite true!

Re:And this is news? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42080319)

/. was a news aggregation site catering to geeks, now it's just a news spewing site that has a masterbatory relation ship with the NY Times, Time mag, Murdock etc.

Re:And this is news? (2, Interesting)

macraig (621737) | about 2 years ago | (#42080343)

Very early Microsoft mouse [photobucket.com] , with solid steel textured ball [photobucket.com] and steel bearings [photobucket.com] instead of Teflon slider pads.

So maybe I can claim some space myself with these photos? I should probably de-BPA that housing (with the Oxiclean trick) and then enshrine it in a plexi case with a vacuum, huh?

Re:And this is news? (1)

TheLink (130905) | about 2 years ago | (#42080375)

Wow those were the days where mice were made in Japan... Instead of China.

Does the mouse still work?

Re:And this is news? (1)

macraig (621737) | about 2 years ago | (#42080421)

So did the "Made in Japan" sticker give it away? :-D

Yep, it works, but since my PCs are all missing RS-232 DB9 ports now I'd have to track down a USB adapter to tinker with it again. It's been a few years....

Re:And this is news? (1)

sa1lnr (669048) | about 2 years ago | (#42080779)

"since my PCs are all missing RS-232 DB9 ports"

All my current PC motherboards have a RS-232 header and settings to enable
them in the BIOS. I'm still on socket LGA775 but both my X48 chipset boards
have them.

Re:And this is news? (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 2 years ago | (#42080459)

A DB-9 rather than a DB-25 connector makes me think that mouse isn't quite from the same era, or even the first gen of MS-DOS PCs.

wrong gender, that's a Mac connector (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | about 2 years ago | (#42080591)

PCs that used DE9s (DB9s) used a male connector on the computer. This is a male connector on the mouse.

Macintoshes before the SE/II (Mac, Mac 512, Mac Plus) used female DE9s on the computer and male DE9s on the mouse.

This is almost certainly a Mac mouse or similar. The protocol was very simple, it just ran the quadrature signals and buttons straight out, no multiplexing.

Re:wrong gender, that's a Mac connector (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42080715)

Can't be a Mac mouse - a) it has more than one button and b) it's made by Microsoft...

Re:wrong gender, that's a Mac connector (3, Insightful)

macraig (621737) | about 2 years ago | (#42080989)

This mouse is much older than a Macintosh. It's so old that the only marking on it is the name "Microsoft" molded in relief into the housing... no part number, no other external markings, period. The little internal PCB has markings in Japanese. It's so old it doesn't even use an optical sensor: instead it has some sort of endless potentiometer with its spindle in contact with the ball. The connector probably predates the RS-232 PC connector standard.

Re:wrong gender, that's a Mac connector (2)

timeOday (582209) | about 2 years ago | (#42081799)

It's so old it doesn't even use an optical sensor: instead it has some sort of endless potentiometer with its spindle in contact with the ball.

Is this a joke? All mice were mechanical until just a little over 10 years ago: "The first commercially successful optical computer mice were the Microsoft IntelliMouse with IntelliEye and IntelliMouse Explorer, introduced in 1999." (wikipedia) If you've never popped the ball out of a mouse to pick out the belly button lint you are just a young pup :)

Re:wrong gender, that's a Mac connector (1)

xaxa (988988) | about 2 years ago | (#42081945)

The ball mice I used (1990s onwards) had two optical sensors. The ball touched two perpendicular wheels (horizontal and vertical), which had wheels with tiny holes in on the other end. The wheel was between a light (or IR) sensor and emitter, so I assume it detected the frequency of the flashing to know how fast the mouse was moving.

Re:wrong gender, that's a Mac connector (1)

timeOday (582209) | about 2 years ago | (#42082033)

Oh yes, that's true. Well, a quick search didn't show me when optical sensors were first used for the x/y axes. But (again from Wikipedia) it looks like optical sensors on the two internal wheels were adopted in the mid 1980's:

In 1985, René Sommer added a microprocessor to Nicoud's and Guignard's design.[23] Through this innovation, Sommer is credited with inventing a significant component of the mouse, which made it more "intelligent;"[23] though optical mice from Mouse Systems had incorporated microprocessors by 1984.[24] Another type of mechanical mouse, the "analog mouse" (now generally regarded as obsolete), uses potentiometers rather than encoder wheels, and is typically designed to be plug compatible with an analog joystick. The "Color Mouse", originally marketed by RadioShack for their Color Computer (but also usable on MS-DOS machines equipped with analog joystick ports, provided the software accepted joystick input) was the best-known example.

Re:wrong gender, that's a Mac connector (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about 2 years ago | (#42082103)

Yes, he was making a joke.

Now get back to your console that's so old you have to hold a tool when waving your hand around, that probably has gyros and accelerometers in it.

Re:wrong gender, that's a Mac connector (1)

macraig (621737) | about 2 years ago | (#42083115)

Xaxa already set you straight, so as you now know there have been two types of "optical" mice: (1) the original variety that still used a ball with internal optical sensors to read its motion from "spokes" in little wheels attached to the spindles that made contact with the ball, and then (2) MUCH later a true optical mouse with no moving internal parts (except button switches) that sensed motion directly from the surface on which the mouse moved.

I was of course referring to (1).

Re:wrong gender, that's a Mac connector (1)

ncc74656 (45571) | about 2 years ago | (#42084243)

Xaxa already set you straight, so as you now know there have been two types of "optical" mice: (1) the original variety that still used a ball with internal optical sensors to read its motion from "spokes" in little wheels attached to the spindles that made contact with the ball, and then (2) MUCH later a true optical mouse with no moving internal parts (except button switches) that sensed motion directly from the surface on which the mouse moved.

I was of course referring to (1).

There were optical (not optomechanical, but optical) mice going further back than that. The Sun workstations I used in the early '90s used a type of optical mouse that only worked with a special mousepad.

Re:wrong gender, that's a Mac connector (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083519)

That's MS marketing-BS. Mouse Systems was profitably selling (that's "commercially successful," right?) optical mice in 1982.

Re:wrong gender, that's a Mac connector (1)

Tastecicles (1153671) | about 2 years ago | (#42083701)

I use a Logitech trackball. Does that count?

Maybe not, it uses an optical sensor but I do have to clean the gunk off the teflon riders and polish the ball every so often... it gets particularly annoying when I have to do it while playing World of Tanks. :x

Re:And this is news? (2)

macraig (621737) | about 2 years ago | (#42081033)

Considering that the connector isn't the eventual female DB9 standard for PCs, it has no markings at all other than "Microsoft" in the housing, uses a potentiometer rather than an optical sensor, and has those roller bearings strongly reminiscent of a Xerox Alto mouse [oldmouse.com] , I'm pretty sure that it at least doesn't post-date the first PC generation by much if at all....

Re:And this is news? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#42081487)

It's probably just an early microsoft busmouse, from the PC era. It would have had a card that went with it, which was standard for a long time even though PCs had serial ports. Maybe the assumption was that you were already using your serial ports, or maybe it was just cheaper to not use a microcontroller at all -- you'd need one in practical terms to effectively make a serial mouse, unless you made a custom-purpose chip and even then a microcontroller might have been cheaper.

Re:And this is news? (1)

NJRoadfan (1254248) | about 2 years ago | (#42082667)

It is a bus mouse, but predates Microsoft's DIN "InPort" connector by a few years. What the OP has there is the original circa 1983 Microsoft Mouse.

Re:And this is news? (1)

tibit (1762298) | about 2 years ago | (#42080615)

I had one just like that, and the later one with teflon pads as well. Chucked them both a few years ago, otherwise my place would have collapsed to a back hole.

Re:And this is news? (1)

macraig (621737) | about 2 years ago | (#42080949)

Hey, I have a back hole, too! I have yet to collapse into it, though....

Re:And this is news? (2)

tibit (1762298) | about 2 years ago | (#42082089)

Sarcastic self referential spelling nazi humor. Only on slashdot, ladies and gentlemen, only on slashdot :)

Re:And this is news? (3, Insightful)

thePig (964303) | about 2 years ago | (#42080669)

I would prefer this much more than the umpteen politics and yro posts here.
So, even though it might not pique your interest, there would be many others who might be interested.
Also, look at the comments on that site. It is quite illuminating and does give an idea of how computers really came through.
History does teaches lessons a lot.

Re:And this is news? (5, Insightful)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | about 2 years ago | (#42080371)

I mean...photos of one [famous] American company's early products? What has Slashdot become? Geez! Is this still news for nerds, stuff that matters? I guess I should post photos of earlier Motorola products, then claim space on Slashdot, right?

In terms of the history of personal computing the Apple-1 and 2 are somewhat important. The same goes for the Motorola DynaTAC and MicroTAC series. If you are too young to appreciate the things that helped create the modern high-tech industry you take for granted you can always do something you perceive as being more important like going some place else to refight the Samsung-Google vs. Apple flame war for the umpteenth time and leave us old-timers to indulge in enjoyable recollection of times gone by.

Re:And this is news? (2, Insightful)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about 2 years ago | (#42080387)

Right, the Apple 1 is an important artefact. A store that bought 500 of them whole sale at $500 apiece to sell them for $666.66 apiece is also interesting. But seriously, just the "polaroid photos of the Apple 1" by themselves is not worthy of much, but surrounded by the facebook posting of these photos and a blog on the Time magazine website about these, well that just barely takes it up a millimeter above the floor level of being uninteresting.
:>p
Where's the tech aspect? Where's the nerd aspect? Did they have to do cool digital image restoration to recover theimages? Did the polaroids somehow help Apple make enough money off the Apple 1 to keep them afloat until they could build and sell the apple ][ and move on to fame? I don't see any more gnews for gnerds capacity in this story. Time to move on.... And it's not that I'm so young that I can't see the importance of this. My parents have a trs80 and a running apple ][ bought in 1977 and some punchcard programs with fortran watfor (what for? :) ) on it in the garage for play and giggles; so I do know about and appreciate the history of computing. But seriously, the title of this topic is "1976 Polaroids of an Apple-1 Resurface". Seriously. Sad. Seriously sad.

Re:And this is news? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42080593)

a is true because b is a fact therefore a is true which makes b a fact

also what's your problem? if you want something more interesting on the front page, maybe you should contribute something more interesting. what I really expected from your (drunken?) rant was an alternative to the story. instead you just explained how your parents have computer stuff and you are not interested in pictures of an apple 1...isn't it sort of sad you took so many letters to convey that message?

Re:And this is news? (3, Insightful)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | about 2 years ago | (#42080601)

My parents have a trs80 and a running apple ][ bought in 1977 and some punchcard programs with fortran watfor (what for? :) ) on it in the garage for play and giggles; so I do know about and appreciate the history of computing. But seriously, the title of this topic is "1976 Polaroids of an Apple-1 Resurface". Seriously. Sad. Seriously sad.

Your parents, right so that is how young you are. You should ask them why this stuff is important enough to them that they don't scrap it. Why do we keep old cars around and expend more money on restoring them than they are worth? To you computers seem to be something you take for granted a mundane item like a toaster.... which is fair enough if you are not a computer geek. If you are not a car geek I can see how you would be puzzled over people who think it is a sin to crush a 1950s Chevrolet concept car or one of only 51 model 1948 Tucker Sedans ever made to turn them into beer cars or sewer lids. To me these pictures are interesting, because I can remember when there were no PCs. I used to have to laboriously type essays on a IBM 'golfball' typewriter (you should try it, the keys are so stiff you literally have to 'punch' them with your fingers). Getting a computer, being able to make changes and correct mistakes and then print out a new copy was a huge labor saving. Then there were games, first 2D an then Doom, nobody had seen anything like it.... Now, before you get off my lawn, please remind me why are you here taking the piss out of old-timers over our nostalgia when you could be doing something more important like refight the Google-Samsung vs. Apple flamewar for the umpteenth time or convincing politicians that music wants to be free.

Re:And this is news? (1)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about 2 years ago | (#42080645)

You're missing my point. And you're obviously misreading or misinterpreting what I am typing and saying. I'm agreeing that the Apple-1 is an important artefact and point out that there is a ][ and a trs-80 in the garage which i've turned on and played with. This posting is about the finding and "resurfacing" of a set of polaroid photos of this important artefact. There are already actual exemplars of this artefact extant; there are already full circuit diagrams and specs and emulators and re-makeover-replicas of the Apple-1 also in existence.
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The photograph of an artefact does not carry the weight of the artefact itself, in my opinion. Now the DINAAO [slashdot.org] emulator (at dinaao.sourceforge.net is interesting and nerd-news worthy!!! I downloaded that, compiled it, played with it. An actual Apple-1 I can play with. A photograph of an Apple-1, well I can look at and talk about. And that's about all we're doing here.

Re:And this is news? (2)

Whiteox (919863) | about 2 years ago | (#42081193)

Apart from the content of the actual photo, it is an antique and valuable. I (and many others) would like to own those photos not just because of the content, but of the provenance. They are a valuable marker in computing history.

Re:And this is news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42082159)

The photograph of an artefact does not carry the weight of the artefact itself, in my opinion. Now the DINAAO [slashdot.org] emulator (at dinaao.sourceforge.net is interesting and nerd-news worthy!!!

And to think, if this worthless article of pictures wasn't submitted, you likely would never have even heard of DINAAO. Yup, totally worthless topic to bring up, no one would ever post comments that would be interesting because it is related to the article.

Re:And this is news? (1)

adri (173121) | about 2 years ago | (#42082497)

A photograph of the device gives more than just background about the device. It gives you a context, it gives you a setting. It gives you a hint about the state of the world at the time the device was introduced.

You're obviously not an archeologist.

Re:And this is news? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#42081477)

Why do we keep old cars around and expend more money on restoring them than they are worth?

Mu. I keep old cars around and expend less money on restoring them than they are worth, by resale value or by replacement value. If you have skills, you can do that.

Re:And this is news? (4, Insightful)

cjjjer (530715) | about 2 years ago | (#42081279)

Where's the nerd aspect?

Clearly you are not a nerd if you have to ask that question.

Re:And this is news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42081921)

Where's the nerd aspect?

Yeah, I didn't see any empty Cheetos bags or Big Gulp cups, either. No porn on the screen or cum stains on the keyboard...

Re:And this is news? (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | about 2 years ago | (#42080605)

I mean...photos of one [famous] American company's early products? What has Slashdot become? Geez! Is this still news for nerds, stuff that matters? I guess I should post photos of earlier Motorola products, then claim space on Slashdot, right?

For the price of 1976 Polaroids you could have bought an Apple 1 back then (I suspect).

--

300 baud modem hacked. Top secret schematics online.

Re:And this is news? (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about 2 years ago | (#42080617)

Maybe some early Honda stuff. A 305 Dream would be good. Or, if you want something that was pretty high tech for it's time, check out the CX and GL 500's. Those twisted twins are still roaming the highways of the world, turning admiring heads everywhere they go. While they don't lead the pack while running through the twisties, a lot of young men on more modern bikes find that they can't get away from them either! Early computers? Crap - the wife has been nagging at me to get rid of all this old computer crap that is now almost worthless. Honda's stuff is still valuable!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-Other-1978-Honda-CX500-/200851901404?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item2ec3b4cbdc [ebay.com]

Re:And this is news? (1)

jellomizer (103300) | about 2 years ago | (#42080945)

Well we in the tech industry are no longer in what is new anymore. We have gotten old and everything new and exciting now is just a threat to our lively hood. Because instead of learning the new stuff, we look back with nostalgia glasses with the stuff of the past. Never mind how slow the systems were, and how the hardware would fail every few months, and software crashes were expected and common.

Re:And this is news? (1)

adri (173121) | about 2 years ago | (#42082517)

Erm. Let me rephrase that.

We in the tech industry realise that a significant amount of what is new is actually old, just faster and shinier. A lot of the concepts that people are exploring now were explored in the 1970's, then forgotten during the microcomputer revolution when the computing world fell inward, away from expensive networked multiprocessor machines with lots of shiny IO and inward into stand-alone, single-CPU devices with very cheap IO. It's now mass produced, really fast, very well connected.. but a lot of the concepts aren't new.

Software and hardware is still failing, even today. Sheesh, at the risk of sounding inflammatory - anyone in the tech world would NOT make the argument that software and hardware is getting more reliable.

Re:And this is news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42080969)

And where's the news that YOU'RE submitting, huh? Put up or shut up.

Re:And this is news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42081169)

Fuck Apple. You are an ignorant, feeble, illiterate faggot if you buy or like anything from them.

Goochi Goo Goo (3, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | about 2 years ago | (#42080231)

Ahhh, look at the cute baby Apple

Pictures of Jobs' soiled underware found, too (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42080239)

You know how to search the web for them, they are out there. So hard, the underware.

wtf is this crap (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42080245)

Never post this pro-apple horseshit that has nothing to do with anything again.

And this news, how? (2)

zill (1690130) | about 2 years ago | (#42080257)

1000 years from now, stuff in 1976 and 2012 will be pretty much equally old. Archaeologist will eventually files these photos with instantgram shots of brand new iPads.

Re:And this news, how? (1)

quanminoan (812306) | about 2 years ago | (#42080393)

I imagine it would be more like finding a copper smelting pit and then some used tools - all cool stuff right?

Re:And this news, how? (1)

mikael (484) | about 2 years ago | (#42083937)

I once paid a visit to my local antique shop. What freaked me out was that they were selling microwaves, digital camcorders (the type with cassettes) along with
antique kettles and fireboxes. Explained to me that the camcorder was useless because there was no tape deck to play it on.

Re:And this news, how? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42080997)

Who cares about what people do in 1,000 years? As far as I am concerned, the universe only exists for as long as I do.

Re:And this news, how? (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about 2 years ago | (#42081327)

Well, 1000 years from now, most all that was done in this time will be forgotten. 1900-2100 will probably be remembered as the age of "The Oil Wars", and not much else.

And the sad thing about it... (2, Interesting)

Stormwatch (703920) | about 2 years ago | (#42080293)

Look at the old keyboard in the pic. It's a bit sad to realize that it was probably far better than Apple's current stuff, or the huge majority of modern keyboards. How have we fallen! Seriously: if you pay some big bucks for a high-end PC, it's unjustifiable not to get a mechanical keyboard as well.

Re:And the sad thing about it... (5, Funny)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 2 years ago | (#42080349)

Look at the old keyboard in the pic. It's a bit sad to realize that it was probably far better than Apple's current stuff,

You know, currently Apple is famous for products which don't have a keyboard at all.

Re:And the sad thing about it... (2)

Stormwatch (703920) | about 2 years ago | (#42080383)

Yeah, those are absolutely worthless for writing anything but a couple short paragraphs.

Re:And the sad thing about it... (0)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 2 years ago | (#42081341)

Do any of the vacuous hiptards who carry them have that much to say?

Re:And the sad thing about it... (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 2 years ago | (#42083129)

You know, currently Apple is famous for products which don't have a keyboard at all.

Ever since the Apple Extended Keyboard II, Apple has shown a passive-aggressive hate towards good keyboards. Yeah, I understood the Performa mentality, but even their highest end gear has come with cheap tiring keyboards for twenty years.

The touch interface is just the logical conclusion of that antipathy.

Re:And the sad thing about it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42080369)

Are you in possession of information we don't have on the origin of the keyboard?

Re:And the sad thing about it... (2)

Stormwatch (703920) | about 2 years ago | (#42080429)

No, but it looks like a mechanical keyboard. So, almost certainly, it is better than a typical cheapo rubber done keyboard.

Re:And the sad thing about it... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#42081465)

I've had less than ten cheapo rubber dome keyboards die on me in my lifetime. In fact, less than three. A mechanical keyboard costs ten times as much. See where I'm going with this? Most people don't want buckling-spring anyway, it's loud as fuck. I got _rid_ of my IBM keyboards because I couldn't use them while I was the only one awake in the house.

Re:And the sad thing about it... (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 2 years ago | (#42081713)

There are keyboards with Cherry switches that are much quieter (Cherry green?). I picked up a cheap mechanical keyboard a few months ago. I loved it right away, and I find it very hard to use the cheap rubber dome keyboards now, although some of the higher end 'X switch' keyboards are okay. It's also made me realize how bad the Mac style keyboards are ... not enough feedback, and not enough travel. If one of those were improved they'd be much nicer to use. The one I got has the Cherry black switches, and yeah, they're a bit loud, or rather, the key is loud as it bottoms out. Still worth it though, even if you don't go for a keyboard with the quieter switches.

Re:And the sad thing about it... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#42082259)

The worst thing about mac keyboards is the horrible nightmare of repairing one if it should fail.

Actually, I take that back. The worst thing about mac keyboards is being able to see every hair that falls into them.

Make sure you work the balls, Harry (0, Flamebait)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about 2 years ago | (#42080359)

I hope this fanboyism isn't slow and sloppy, Harry. The typical Apple-worshipping journalist doesn't know to work the balls, but it's an important fact that shouldn't be neglected. When posting non-news on a credible mainstream media source and promoting it via your own account on non-news-for-nerds, dropping the fact that you once met Wozniak on a tour of a museum just isn't enough. You have to work the balls, too.

Dinaao (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42080385)

Dinaao Is Not An Apple One.

I spoke with Steve Wozniak at the 30th anniversary of Apple held at the Computer History Museum - I asked him why the Apple One was so retarded. He really wasn't happy about that question. I then explained that I had built a Replica 1 and then written Dinaao to teach myself how the guts of the Apple One really worked, and had found that the input was limited to 60 characters a second, and the output as well even though the MOS 6502 CPU was running at one million clocks per second.
Woz then explained that the Apple One was originally designed to be a TV teletype allowing deaf people to type to each other over a phone line. The current TV teletypes ran at 30 characters per second - his was twice as fast. It was a short time later that he was dragged to a local computer club meeting where someone was talking about these new microprocessors that just became available when he realized that rather than typing to a person, you could be typing to a program running on a microprocessor, and watch it respond on your television, all of which normal people could afford. That was how the Apple One was born.
After getting this running, his friend Steve Jobs worked with him to start Apple, and he started using the Apple One to help design the Apple Two with color graphics so that you could play Brick-Out.
If you want to play with a pretty nice Apple One analog - please download Dinaao off Sourceforge.net - works on Linux / MacOSX (get xcode which includes gcc) or any other posix OS. Unpack, run make, run dinaao, type "E000R", and you've got Woz Basic up and running. Works in a console. You can even cut and paste basic programs from web sites like this one. Hit F9 to exit (might need to move function keys in MacOSX out of the way).
10 FOR I=1 TO 20:FOR J=1 TO I
20 PRINTJ;:NEXT J:PRINT :NEXT I
30 END
Enjoy!

Re:Dinaao (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42080399)

In the picture, "AUTO 10,10" means every time you hit enter, it auto types the next line number ten more the the highest one. Hit Ctrl D to get it to stop. Woz basic expects an "END" statement to finish the program or else it's an error.

Re:Dinaao (2)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about 2 years ago | (#42080579)

Cool. Very nice. Downloaded; maked (made?); run and "hello worlded". Pretty neat code. Now to look at the source and learn!

Version 1.0, 2008-01-14 initial release
./dinaao replica1.bin
Welcome to Dinaao.
Written by John Gilbert.
Hit F1 for Help, F9 to Exit, F12 to Reset.

Loading replica13a.bin... -> 0xE000 - 0xFFFF
Loading cffa1.bin... -> 0x9000 - 0xAFFF
Loading cassette.bin... -> 0xC100 - 0xC1FF

\
E000R

E000: 4C
>10 PRINT "HELLO"
>20 END
>RUN
HELLO

Re:Dinaao (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083009)

The code should be pretty readable, but please note: Dinaao was designed to run Apple One software, not be an emulator (yeah, I know - it's a weird distention, but it's not like any other "emulator" out there). It had to be multi-threaded so that the 6502 engine was not coupled to the input (so you can cut and paste a long programs and the code parser would eventually catch up). It also has a couple of trigger points where if the code hit those instructions and there was no input waiting in the buffer, the program would sleep. Also, I have timing information in the code but it's not used. This allows Dinaao to run as fast as possible until it needs input, then take ZERO real cpu cycles waiting for more keyboard input.
The other difference from other "emulators" is that if Dinaao hits an instruction that it doesn't understand, it will print out the offending instruction and some register information and then exit. There's still some 6502 features that aren't included (like decimal math functions), but since I got the Woz monitor, Woz basic, and Krusader (an included and built in 6502 assembler) fully working, I've not found any original Apple One programs that use these instruction modes so I never bothered.

If you want to really learn how the 6502 works, empty out the 6502 instructions in the CPU loop and start up the program. It will "crash" on each new instruction it sees. Add them back in as needed - about 30 instructions later the Woz monitor will give you a prompt. About 20 instructions more and you can get Woz basic running. Start up Krusader and after about 10 more instructions you'll probably never find an Apple One program that doesn't work. I've put in all of the 65C02 instructions (minus the unused decimal mode stuff) writing one-off test code as needed, but who knows if I got it right. I stopped working on it when it behaved the same as my Replica 1 (which I highly recommend getting if you want the real Apple One experience).

If you want a truly insane learning project, replace the MOS 6502 instructions with Motorola 6800 ones and rewrite the Woz monitor. If you look at the original Apple One circuitry it has an entire section so that the 6800 CPU could used. I spoke with Jeff Raskin before he passed away, Steve Wozniak, and about ten other original Apple One owners and no one has ever heard of anyone that used this other CPU.

Best of luck.
John G.

PS. Before the Apple One - a computer was a box with flashing lights and switches programed in machine codes by professionals and crazy hobbyists. Starting with and forever changed by the Apple One - a computer is an affordable box attached to television screen and a typewriter keyboard that can be used by anyone. We all owe Woz a great big thanks!

Re:Dinaao (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42080743)

So instead of selling devices to the deaf, they decided to sell devices to retards instead.

Re:Dinaao (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about 2 years ago | (#42080961)

Aren't you happy someone targeted your people instead?

old Machine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42080409)

that an old tool to work for now

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troll (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42080655)

Jesus Up The 7700 users of ASSOCIATION OF it will be a8ong obsessives and the eulogies to BSD's

Nerd porn... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42081105)

I came here to comment on the "sexiness" of those polaroids. That is straight up geek porn! Being able to view an old computer with its cover off, exposing those HUGE capacitors... man, I have to have more,.... MORE!

The Byte Shop (2)

KagakuNinja (236659) | about 2 years ago | (#42082291)

I have fond memories of me and a couple junior high school buddies hanging out at the Palo Alto Byte Shop. Playing BASIC Star Trek, typing random shit and seeing what happened ("df" means "disk format" in CP/M; they removed that program from the IMSAI), a bit of BASIC programming... I don't remember any of the computer brands, other than the iconic IMSAI, with the switches on the front panel (as seen in the movie War Games).

where apple design is headed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42082879)

now that uncle steve is gone. it's not an apple i, it's the next-gen imac prototype.

Who's Tim Cook suing over this? (1)

gelfling (6534) | about 2 years ago | (#42083317)

Did they invent solder? Keyboards? Carbon?

This is news for nerds (1)

Tastecicles (1153671) | about 2 years ago | (#42083715)

We're talking about two obsoleted technologies (breadboard computing and instamatic film) meeting to give us this bit of history. I don't know about anyone else, but while not overly significant, it is still pretty awesome. Think about where it came from as well. Triple whammy.

Great find! (1)

sootman (158191) | about 2 years ago | (#42083947)

The first known instance of unboxing porn. :-)

See those orange things... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42084063)

...don't touch those.

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