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BlackBerry 10 Preview Looks Positive

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the better-hope-so dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The Register has a BlackBerry 10 preview up. They say, 'BlackBerry users have a love-hate relationship with their phones. The devices were often forced upon users rather than chosen. At the same time, the handhelds were the most usable and useful communications gadgets you could put in your pocket.' The preview is surprisingly positive, and it goes on to look at BB10's Hub/notifications feature, which they call 'utilitarian' and efficient compared to Windows Phones, which are more about 'style and novelty' whilst being 'a bit limiting.' BlackBerry's implementation may actually improve the system, rather than detracting from it. With BlackBerry providing a QT environment (compatible with Sailfish, which we discussed earlier) and RIM having managed to maintain BB's 3rd place in the mobile OS market, there may a chance for real three-way competition between QT, Android and iOS in the mobile market."

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GLHF, fingers crosed for QT (5, Insightful)

fatalGlory (1060870) | about 2 years ago | (#42083435)

Qt is a great platform/API, would love to see a Qt based platform in the smartphone market with some significant market-share. I feel Qt (qnd QtQuick) deserves more usage in the commercial space than it gets.

Re:GLHF, fingers crosed for QT (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083495)

Yes, BB making surprise comeback with Qt after Nokia dropped it and plunged into their current depths, clinging on their new "one trick pony" tactics.

Whatever Nokia's board was smoking at the time, I hope I never come across the same stuff...

Where are you getting this from? Some highschooler (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083441)

"for real three-way competition between QT, Android and iOS" hmmm, this alone says don't waste your time reading. The author must have no idea what QT is. Or no idea what Android/iOS/QNX/WP8 are.

Re:Where are you getting this from? Some highschoo (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083483)

What matters is: If I develop a mobile application; where will I have a big enough audience to justify it. In the next year, Android will have 70% or more of the market; iOS will have about 20%. BlackBerry will have about 5% and Tizen/Bada also likely about 5%. If Jolla can make even 3% market share then overall, I can address 8% of the market by writing for QT. This is enough to actually be commercially worthwhile.

Everything else will be below 2% (see the attached article). That just isn't worth bothering with.

Re:Where are you getting this from? Some highschoo (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083569)

Exactly. The author hasn't got a clue. Develop for Android, release on BB Android app player as well = 75%. Article is NOT WORTH READING. Author is as informed as an Angry Birds addicted High Schooler. And idiotically is saying there will be a competition between an APP FRAMEWORK and OPERATING SYSTEMS. I'm sorry but this person is clueless.

Re:Where are you getting this from? Some highschoo (-1, Troll)

aristotle-dude (626586) | about 2 years ago | (#42084109)

Exactly. The author hasn't got a clue. Develop for Android, release on BB Android app player as well = 75%. Article is NOT WORTH READING. Author is as informed as an Angry Birds addicted High Schooler. And idiotically is saying there will be a competition between an APP FRAMEWORK and OPERATING SYSTEMS. I'm sorry but this person is clueless.

Are you expecting to earn money on your app or are you doing it for fun? Good luck making any money on Android. People with android handset do not buy apps.

Re:Where are you getting this from? Some highschoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42084393)

Exactly. The author hasn't got a clue. Develop for Android, release on BB Android app player as well = 75%. Article is NOT WORTH READING. Author is as informed as an Angry Birds addicted High Schooler. And idiotically is saying there will be a competition between an APP FRAMEWORK and OPERATING SYSTEMS. I'm sorry but this person is clueless.

Are you expecting to earn money on your app or are you doing it for fun? Good luck making any money on Android. People with android handset do not buy apps.

I do. I own a Galaxy S2 and I do buy apps and games on google play.

Nice thing that they run also on my Nexus 7

Re:Where are you getting this from? Some highschoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42084679)

If all of your contacts, entertainment services, and backups are chained into Apple - well, then you're just shit out of luck if you want to move.

I want to see a complete separation of church and state here. Hardware should be separate from software. Software should be separate from services.

I want to watch Nokia movies on my Samsung hardware running Google's Android, and then back them up to DropBox.

That's how it works - more or less - in the PC space. I don't understand why it doesn't in the tablet and smartphone space? Why would I buy a tablet that only worked with content from one provider? Whether that's Amazon, Microsoft or Apple - it's setting up a nasty little monopoly which will drive up prices and drive down quality.

I know, I know. The mantra of "It Just Works". I'm mildly sick of having to configure my tablet to talk to my NAS, and then get the TV to talk to both of them. That situation isn't just due to my equipment all coming from different manufacturers - it's mostly due to those manufacturers not implementing open standards.

http://shkspr.mobi/blog/2012/11/i-dont-want-to-be-part-of-your-fucking-ecosystem/ [shkspr.mobi]

Re:Where are you getting this from? Some highschoo (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about 2 years ago | (#42084809)

People with android handset do not buy apps.

That's about the geographical market, not about the platform. Android's early popularity stemmed from regions like China where Apple is also finding difficulty in selling apps.

China has its own Macworld/iWorld conference and plenty of iPhone fever, but the paid-download app market appears to still be maturing there. A new report from Shanghai-based analyst firm Stenvall Skoeld claims that the Chinese version of the iOS App Store accounted for 18 percent of total downloads in the second quarter, but just 3 percent of revenue.

China is Apple's fastest growing market, while Android is growing faster in regions with a strong history of paid software purchases. The most recent App Annie data suggests revenue/app for Android is rising, while the equivalent for Apple is falling. In other words, markets are normalising as you'd expect them to.

Enjoy the iOS income while you can, but don't get dependent on it.

Re:Where are you getting this from? Some highschoo (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | about 2 years ago | (#42084977)

People with android handset do not buy apps.

That's about the geographical market, not about the platform. Android's early popularity stemmed from regions like China where Apple is also finding difficulty in selling apps.

China has its own Macworld/iWorld conference and plenty of iPhone fever, but the paid-download app market appears to still be maturing there. A new report from Shanghai-based analyst firm Stenvall Skoeld claims that the Chinese version of the iOS App Store accounted for 18 percent of total downloads in the second quarter, but just 3 percent of revenue.

China is Apple's fastest growing market, while Android is growing faster in regions with a strong history of paid software purchases. The most recent App Annie data suggests revenue/app for Android is rising, while the equivalent for Apple is falling. In other words, markets are normalising as you'd expect them to.

Enjoy the iOS income while you can, but don't get dependent on it.

Keep telling yourself that. People in all regions using android are not buying apps. It is an "online" cultural issue where people think "open source" means that everything should "free" including third party apps. It has nothing to do countries.

Re:Where are you getting this from? Some highschoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42085337)

Evidence?

Re:Where are you getting this from? Some highschoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42085483)

People with android handset do not buy apps.

Keep telling yourself that. People in all regions using android are not buying apps. It is an "online" cultural issue where people think "open source" means that everything should "free" including third party apps. It has nothing to do countries.

Android users are statistically-speaking, much more cost-conscious than iOS users, and also much more likely to be "late adopters". Meanwhile, iPhone 5 sells to people who already own a smart phone, and who don't flinch at wading through a sea of free Androids to shell out two bills for the phone and $80-plus a month for the required service plan. This demographic doesn't flinch at shelling out $0.99 for Fruit Ninja or Angry Birds: Star Wars Edition to get the non-gimped version. Adding insult to injury, the ability to sideload Android apps outside the app store means app piracy Overall Android doesn't look good, at least if you want to make money selling your app. Now, if your app is a conduit to some other online service (cough, Facebook, Netflix, Bank of Scamerica, etc) then Android simply represents too many eyeballs (and wallets) for you to ignore.

Re:Where are you getting this from? Some highschoo (1)

molnarcs (675885) | about 2 years ago | (#42088009)

China is Apple's fastest growing market, while Android is growing faster in regions with a strong history of paid software purchases. The most recent App Annie data suggests revenue/app for Android is rising, while the equivalent for Apple is falling. In other words, markets are normalising as you'd expect them to.

Enjoy the iOS income while you can, but don't get dependent on it.

Keep telling yourself that. People in all regions using android are not buying apps. It is an "online" cultural issue where people think "open source" means that everything should "free" including third party apps. It has nothing to do countries.

What are you smoking? The people who are actually buying Android phones have no clue about "open source." You call yourself a geek? What are you doing here? You need to realize the 99% of the non-geek population of this planet never heard of "open source." You need to go out more, socialize, get to know the rest of the world ;) You can't make money on Android and assume nobody else can. But the trend is changing, even here where I live. Blackberry is still very strong, but the growing upper-middle class idolized Apple for years. This trend has been changing for the at least a year now. There are no subsidized prices here, people pay $400-700 for a smartphone. These are not "cheap" people as you seem to assume. Google Play has been getting better and better (though more buggy at the same time, QC Google please!) and now paying through your gmail account became so easy... I bought about 18 apps myself. Samsung has a very heavy presence, lots of marketing and it works. I see more and more people with high-end android smart phones and tablets. Hell, my model at the shooting (I'm a photographer) asked me about the Nexus 10! Have you heard of it? she said. And she is most definitely not a geek ;) I saw a women wielding a Galaxy Note the other day.

Re:Where are you getting this from? Some highschoo (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083573)

So write it for Android, then take the 20 minutes to repackage it for BB10. http://developer.blackberry.com/android/ [blackberry.com]

Re:Where are you getting this from? Some highschoo (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083693)

According to the press releases from Digia, Android will be a tier one Qt platform "soon", and given how bad writing native apps for Android currently is, it might well become the toolkit of choice for Android development too.

Re:Where are you getting this from? Some highschoo (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about 2 years ago | (#42084929)

given how bad writing native apps for Android currently is

How bad is it, and what's so bad about it?

I'm an Android (and other platform) developer, and don't really see much difference in difficulty writing for any of the current main mobile OSs.

I don't consider myself particularly highly skilled, but I make a living, and even absolute beginners can block out surprisingly complete software with App Inventor.

http://appinventor.mit.edu/ [mit.edu]

Re:Where are you getting this from? Some highschoo (1)

Spaseboy (185521) | about 2 years ago | (#42085145)

Java is garbage. It's a PITA to write and debug and it DEVOURS RAM. Dalvik just makes it worse. You can, quite literally, do the same app native on iOS and Windows Phone for a half to a quarter of the RAM.

If Java were any good, it would not have been abandoned by every desktop platform and basically every smartphone platform.

Qt on ARM is looking to be the future for mobile OSes and the added benefit is that Qt is pretty much available for every desktop platform including legacy systems like OS/2.

Re:Where are you getting this from? Some highschoo (1)

Belial6 (794905) | about 2 years ago | (#42085263)

Abandoned by every smartphone platform except the one that holds a majority market share. As for the desktop, the smartphone platform that dominates the market is not only running a platform where the apps are written in Java, but is running on Linux, which also has done very poorly on the desktop.

Re:Where are you getting this from? Some highschoo (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 2 years ago | (#42087837)

Abandoned by every smartphone platform except the one that holds a majority market share.

Correlation is not causation.

Android is popular because there are cheap Android phones available. The figures show most purchasers don't even download apps or access the internet.

Android is the most popular smartphone OS despite the fact that it has a Java-like development system, not because of it.

Re:Where are you getting this from? Some highschoo (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42086003)

Java is garbage.

Bat Java has its garbage collector!

Re:Where are you getting this from? Some highschoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42086009)

WTF "Bat"? I meant "But" :)

Re:Where are you getting this from? Some highschoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42085991)

I'm an Android (and other platform) developer, and don't really see much difference in difficulty writing for any of the current main mobile OSs.

Are you writing for Android in Java or in C/C++ ? I was talking about the later. As far as I know, it is still sufficiently troublesome that most Android app developers stick to the shit that is Java.

Re:Where are you getting this from? Some highschoo (1)

Culture20 (968837) | about 2 years ago | (#42086309)

But who will pay for your app? That's another factor to consider if you don't want to add advertisements to your apps.

The App Dilemma (0)

ue85 (1961968) | about 2 years ago | (#42083489)

The problem is Blackberry are so far behind in the app race it is nearly impossible to catch up. Smartphone users have spoken and essentially said they want apps and the ability to customize their phone via apps. The previous Blackberry OS had apps, but most of them were overpriced and provided little function. Unfortunately the only way to even compete in the app market would be to adopt Android, which is admitting defeat. If there was a Blackberry with a physical keyboard that ran Android I would be lining up the first day to buy it, but unless BB10 really tanks I don't see this scenario ever coming to light. I am hopeful Blackberry 10 can reclaim some of their market, force them to innovate in a cutthroat market and produce quality. While still in the green, unlike some, RIM knows this is their last chance. RIM has smelled the stench of death, they know if they mess up their empire will come crashing down even more. They need to provide tools to produce in house applications cheaply and easily for BB10 and provide a market for consumers to buy applications, but first they need to make it worth while to develop. I guess we won't know until next year how well this plan will work.

Re:The App Dilemma (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083535)

You don't follow news on mobile much do you?
BB10 has an android app player. Also I can't remember the exact number but BlackBerry made a list of the top X apps in mobile and will have them. Not sure what more you want. Android app player should cover having the 120 fart app options if you really want them.

Re:The App Dilemma (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083551)

...and if it works as well as the Playbook one it is under performing crap. A non starter.

Re:The App Dilemma (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083595)

Pretty sure there has been a bunch of press on how it works now. But thanks for the worthless input.

Re:The App Dilemma (1)

shaitand (626655) | about 2 years ago | (#42083663)

It is the playbook one.

Re:The App Dilemma (1)

shaitand (626655) | about 2 years ago | (#42083659)

Now we'll have to see if they have a slider with a decent size touchscreen. The full keyboard is nice but the screen on my BB is too small to make using the thing worthwhile.

Re:The App Dilemma (1)

stephanruby (542433) | about 2 years ago | (#42083783)

Now we'll have to see if they have a slider with a decent size touchscreen. The full keyboard is nice but the screen on my BB is too small to make using the thing worthwhile.

Their first flagship BB10 phone has a decent-size touch-screen (with no keyboard, not even a sliding one).

If you want a keyboard, you'll have to wait, or you'll have to go to Android. There are a number Android phone models that have keyboards and touchscreens combined, it's just that those types of phones are not very popular, both sliding ones and non-sliding ones.

For instance, my Motorola XPRT World phone looks just like an old Blackberry phone (with a slightly larger screen but no sliding keyboard), and it is true that the experience suffers.

Re:The App Dilemma (1)

shaitand (626655) | about 2 years ago | (#42084153)

I think the lack of popularity is caused by not offering flagship models with flagship capabilities as sliders. The latest and greatest personal phone is always a big touch screen.

On the flip side businesses generally want a BB with a company run BES behind it for company issue phones. Even if your company was willing to issue Androids there aren't many android sliders.

Issue a BB slider with a large touch screen, a hi res camera, full app support, 4G LTE, lots of memory, fully loaded feature set, and that is as fast as the top of the line model and see if people don't buy it.

Until you do, you aren't asking if people want sliders, you are asking if having a slider is more important to them than all the other bells and whistles. There only needs to be one tradeoff with the slider. Thickness and sliders really aren't that thick. Having a giant screen on super thin phone that feels like it is going to crack like a cracker is overrated anyway.

Re:The App Dilemma (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about 2 years ago | (#42084221)

Yep, I think the last "flagship" Android phone with a keyboard was the Droid. Samsung made a decent job with the captivate glide, which was basically a Galaxy S II with a keyboard (slightly lower CPU clock speed, but not too bad) but suffered from a late release date (close enough to the Galaxy S III) and terrible software support (they just now got a bug-free official ICS ROM out for it a week or two ago)

Re:The App Dilemma (4, Informative)

majesticmerc (1353125) | about 2 years ago | (#42083605)

BB10 will have the Android Runtime [blackberry.com] that came with the PlayBook, so most Android apps will be able to be ported quickly (assuming the developers get round to it). This should give RIM a massive leg-up on populating their app store quickly, albeit with some inconsistent-UI issues.

Hopefully they won't make a deal to pimp (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083835)

their users to Google -- as nearly every other internet site, browser, and provider has done.

Google is the biggest scale pimp operation the world has ever known. And there is no opt out. We are all Google Whores now.

Re:The App Dilemma (2)

sootman (158191) | about 2 years ago | (#42083919)

That "massive leg-up" had roughly zero positive impact on PlayBook sales.

Re:The App Dilemma (2)

no-body (127863) | about 2 years ago | (#42084145)

The reason was that PB software was ”not so great" when it came out. Now, with Rel 2.1 it's decent but too late because it got bashed before and people remember the bad reviews.

Used PB's can be had for cheap. I am typing this on one - does the job just fine.

Looks to me that RIM has learned from this and wait with the BB10 release until the product is more together.

Re:The App Dilemma (0)

Spaseboy (185521) | about 2 years ago | (#42085171)

Not so great? It didn't have email or calendar! I mean, WebOS had THAT and it was a flop.

Re:The App Dilemma (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | about 2 years ago | (#42087381)

Blackberry users EXPECT security to be baked in. RIM knew this and couldn't deliver a full blown messaging system with that security in such a short time frame so they provided the Blackberry Bridge [blackberry.com] which allowed for your already secure messaging on your Blackberry phone to link to the PlayBook with the security intact. when they added the messaging this year I set my accounts up and quickly realized it wasn't nearly as good as it already was with the Bridge. That's why they pushed BB 10 back so far. They don't want a repeat of the bad press that sank the PlayBook sales. What's interesting is the Bridge app isn't locked to only the PlayBook. If you had a BB with Bridge installed you could pair it with your Galaxy Tab or iPad (Bridge uses Bluetooth) and use the remote control [crackberry.com] feature. (good luck getting apple to allow iTunes to work with a non iOS device) For anybody who appreciates BB keyboards this is a nice addition.

The recent licensing change might disagree... (1)

tlambert (566799) | about 2 years ago | (#42084097)

The recent licensing change might disagree...

http://developers.slashdot.org/story/12/11/15/2218230/google-targets-android-fragmentation-with-updated-terms-for-sdk [slashdot.org]

Google wants to avoid fragmentation, and a version of the OS only capable of running version 2.3 applications isn't going to make them happy to have it called Android.

Re:The recent licensing change might disagree... (2)

marcosdumay (620877) | about 2 years ago | (#42084359)

and a version of the OS only capable of running version 2.3 applications isn't going to make them happy to have it called Android.

Good thing that Blackberry's OS isn't called Android.

Re:The recent licensing change might disagree... (2)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | about 2 years ago | (#42084973)

It's also an assumption that BB's android compatibility will forever remain at Gingerbread.

Gingerbread was a stable baseline to develop a compatibility layer for QNX in time for the playbook. But given the delays of BB10 , it's fair to say they've had other development priorities. I'd expect a Jelly Bean refresh late next year after they're actually shipping handsets and as more apps actually demand Android 4.x.

The GGP claimed an "Android runtime" (1)

tlambert (566799) | about 2 years ago | (#42085845)

The GGP claimed an "Android runtime". They used the licensed trademark to claim it. So did the article.

To address your point on it being 2.3: no mobile phone vendor who wants to sell the next handset, and no mobile carrier who wants to "let" you opt into a new 24 month contract 18 months into your current 2 year contract is going to be stupid enough to update the version of the OS to the latest version when they can instead use it as part of the hook to get you to buy into the newer handset/contract.

The one exception to this is going to be Google branded phones, in exchange for the branding agreement, and even that's not going to work out so well in the long run, when capabilities go up further, and apps start using up available CPU and RAM in the newer devices. This is especially true after the 700 band auction, since Google lost out on the spectrum bid to become a carrier in their own right.

Re:The App Dilemma (0)

Some Bitch (645438) | about 2 years ago | (#42085965)

Getting Android apps onto a Playbook is a pain in the arse, so much so that if BB10 uses the same method they may as well leave it out as a feature.

Re:The App Dilemma (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | about 2 years ago | (#42087537)

It's no different than the Google Play store except that it's in BlackBerry App World [blackberry.com] ...or were you referring to sideloading them? In which case they are equally as hard on Android and MORE difficult on iOS.

FYI: The link references apps by Handster. They repackage Android software for other developers. There are other ISVs with Android apps on App World as well.

Re:The App Dilemma (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083621)

Not so much of a dilemma. They could adopt Android, and port their own apps to it. In exchange, it will mean they'll have access to, not just the Android on their hardware, but Android phones all over the world, a market hundreds of times bigger. This way, they can make their own hardware and software, two sources of money, which they can bundle for a reduced cost and rejuvenate the BlackBerry brand.

Re:The App Dilemma (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | about 2 years ago | (#42083953)

+1 for this idea.. BB made some great strides into corporate infrastructure.. they could continue that with line of business apps offered on their Android platform phones only.. that would give them some strategic advantages, while being compatible with the apps on google play store.

Re:The App Dilemma (1)

antek9 (305362) | about 2 years ago | (#42084017)

Not so much of a dilemma. They could adopt Android, and port their own apps to it. In exchange, it will mean they'll have access to, not just the Android on their hardware, but Android phones all over the world, a market hundreds of times bigger. This way, they can make their own hardware and software, two sources of money, which they can bundle for a reduced cost and rejuvenate the BlackBerry brand.

This. They could even make it go both ways, still release dedicated Blackberry phones, running latest Android versions plus their own UI on top of that. Have their own phones run premium versions of their apps, and sell basic versions on Google Play that run on all Android devices. Call it Business Android, or whatever.

Re:The App Dilemma (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42085329)

Rim will never adopt Android. Their sole distinguishing characteristic is that they are more secure than any other phone.

Once Android malware takes off, Rim's stock will go through the roof.

Re:The App Dilemma (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083683)

You know how long it takes to create an "app"? About a week. You can always catch up because it takes minimal investment to get an app.

Re:The App Dilemma (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083737)

Sure if you're writing a fart app. Anything of higher quality takes far more than a week.

Re:The App Dilemma (1)

rtfa-troll (1340807) | about 2 years ago | (#42083807)

You know how long it takes to create an "app"? About a week. You can always catch up because it takes minimal investment to get an app.

You are the guy getting all the Windows App bounties; aren't you?

Re:The App Dilemma (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083685)

The problem is Blackberry are so far behind in the app race it is nearly impossible to catch up. Smartphone users have spoken and essentially said they want apps and the ability to customize their phone via apps.

Have you actually looked at these apps, the majority are so pisspoor I marvel that the writers have the chutzpah to offer them up for sale/download/whatever in the first instance.

The previous Blackberry OS had apps, but most of them were overpriced and provided little function.

Here, as the (reluctant) owner of a Blackberry for just over a year now, I wholly agree, but I refer you to the majority of the android/iphone apps out there, there isn't much of a difference betwixt their quality and that of the Blackberry ones. The question you have to really have to ask yourself is, 'do I need any of these?' I came to the conclusion, after six months or so, was No, I don't, and uninstalled most/all of them.(I'd kill for a decent 'stand alone' astronomy application for the Blackberry)

Unfortunately the only way to even compete in the app market would be to adopt Android, which is admitting defeat.

I don't see the argument here, having spent a couple of years developing/porting software to QNX, I know that there's a fair amount of available code which, in theory, should work on BB10. I'm hoping that I'll be able to get some of the code I've done in the past to run natively on one of these BB10 beasties (if I get the chance), though I've not looked into the restrictions (if any) they've implemented.

They need to provide tools to produce in house applications cheaply and easily for BB10 and provide a market for consumers to buy applications, but first they need to make it worth while to develop. I guess we won't know until next year how well this plan will work.

I'm just about to download the Core Native SDK, and will get the Cascades thing as well, so the tools, by the looks of it, are there.
The market thing, they already have, though they need to purge it of a lot of the drek that currently pollutes it.
Anyway, I'm off to download the SDKs..

Re:The App Dilemma (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42086059)

"(I'd kill for a decent 'stand alone' astronomy application for the Blackberry)"

I think you might be taking your astronomy a little too seriously

3rd place? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083553)

Even windows phone 7 shipped.....

3rd place? (5, Funny)

Dahamma (304068) | about 2 years ago | (#42083567)

Hah. 3rd place in the mobile OS market is kind of like 3rd place in the Superbowl. They don't even get to show up for the game.

Re:3rd place? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083597)

Says the guy posting on slashdot, where every other article is about linux.

3rd place does not make something irrelevant. In fact, it makes it really damn important to keep the others on their toes.

Re:3rd place? (0)

Dahamma (304068) | about 2 years ago | (#42083657)

When 3rd place is 4% of the market and falling, yes, it is irrelevant.

And Linux *is* pretty much irrelevant from a business point of view on the desktop, if that's what you mean. But it (via Android) was 70% of smartphone sales last quarter. It also has 60%+ market share of web servers, and runs on about 95% of networked TVs and BD players. So actually, if you look at market share of "connected devices" it's solidly in 1st, and pulling away.

But I guess RIM has that Playbook in the tablet market to save them, right? Yeah...

Re:3rd place? (1)

shaitand (626655) | about 2 years ago | (#42083673)

If you think Linux is in 3rd place you aren't counting properly.

Re:3rd place? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42084235)

Yeah, it's like 10th place.

Re:3rd place? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083677)

so you think linux is 3rd place? Is that in the mobile phone market where it holds about 90% of the worlds smartphones according to recent news stories I've been reading? Or in the market share of servers? or perhaps embedded devices (routers/firewalls/WAPs)?

Re:3rd place? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083619)

What a terrible analogy, think longer before posting. 3rd in mobile is HUGE. Superbowl is fighting over a single object. In mobile you're fighting over BILLIONS of customers.

Re:3rd place? (3, Funny)

Dahamma (304068) | about 2 years ago | (#42083697)

Go ask Palm and Symbian how great it is to fight for the last few percent of the mobile market...

Re:3rd place? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083629)

Hah. 3rd place in the mobile OS market is kind of like 3rd place in the Superbowl. They don't even get to show up for the game.

There's lots to back that up; the mobile market is a scale game and without the large number of customers on a platform it just isn't worth investing in new development. However, the mobile market doesn't quite work like a normal consumer market. The buyers in most countries are the big operators - not the end users - and they are willing to put extra subsidies into a third platform just in order to get more competition in future. Look at how desperately AT&T has been keeping Windows Phone on life support even at the cost of their own subscriber base.

In this case BlackBerry has additional features such as FIPS certification [eweek.com] which guarantee it markets such as the military bureaucrats of the Pentagon. That means that they can actually become profitable with a third place and can probably get a decent volume long term.

The reason nothing like this can ever work for Microsoft is that sensible carriers hate Skype [blogs.com] . They know that, if Skype succeeds then Microsoft will become the sole point of contact for customer billing. This will make the operators no more valuable than a WiFi access point whilst they have to invest in serious and expensive radio equipment to provide the coverage required by their licenses. Most operators can see that pushing forward Windows Phone would be suicidal.

Re:3rd place? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083797)

... or a US election

Re:3rd place? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42084279)

This is Slashdot. You actually have to know something to post here. So Fuck off.

Re:3rd place? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42084423)

This is Slashdot. You actually have to know something to post here.

You must be new here.

Re:3rd place? (0)

Dahamma (304068) | about 2 years ago | (#42084605)

This is Slashdot. You actually have to know something to post here. So Fuck off.

ACphincter says what? You have already proven the opposite. But if you disagree, at least have a point...

Firefox OS... (1)

alexandre (53) | about 2 years ago | (#42083571)

... or die trying.

The OS preview may look positive... (1)

FSWKU (551325) | about 2 years ago | (#42083623)

Too bad they can't say the same thing about their earnings forecasts. =P

I'm too lazy to check but... (1)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | about 2 years ago | (#42083689)

...is this the version that wipes out compatibility with their entire app library, requiring developers to start from scratch if they want to support the new platform?

Re:I'm too lazy to check but... (1)

EmperorArthur (1113223) | about 2 years ago | (#42083763)

Probably. On the other hand developers could tweak their 10 year old Symbian apps to work on it.

Blackberry was like android in that it used a smartphone centric java implementation. It would have been nice if they'd made it just a compile away for android apps, but QT development is pretty straight forward. The fact it's a superset of c++ means many people can already code for it easily enough.

Re:I'm too lazy to check but... (1)

mrops (927562) | about 2 years ago | (#42084315)

That is the one, and its a good thing.

Re:I'm too lazy to check but... (1)

Rabenblut (580307) | about 2 years ago | (#42086305)

Yup. They intended to include legacy support but gave up, not really giving a reason...

Re:I'm too lazy to check but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42087391)

You mean like Apple when they went OSX / Intel, yeah - probably.

Qt not QT (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083723)

QT == QuickTime
Qt == GUI library + other stuff

Warning: Andrew Orlowski (4, Informative)

whoever57 (658626) | about 2 years ago | (#42083751)

This review is from the same person who called Windows Phone 8 " a strong contender" [theregister.co.uk] and frequently refers to "freetards" [andreworlowski.com]

Re:Warning: Andrew Orlowski (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42083801)

This review is from the same person who called Windows Phone 8 " a strong contender" [theregister.co.uk] and frequently refers to "freetards" [andreworlowski.com]

Totally right. Thus in the original submission [slashdot.org] The Register was described as being "a publication with an open pro-Microsoft bias". Unfortunately the Slashdot editors seem to be actually editing articles today for some reason.

Re:Warning: Andrew Orlowski (0)

Finallyjoined!!! (1158431) | about 2 years ago | (#42084205)

Clueless twat.
Nuff said.

Re:Warning: Andrew Orlowski (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42084277)

He clearly hasn't met a slashtard yet...

Re:Warning: Andrew Orlowski (1)

fast turtle (1118037) | about 2 years ago | (#42084465)

I've never met a slashtard either but I have met a slushtard

Re:Warning: Andrew Orlowski (1)

jareth-0205 (525594) | about 2 years ago | (#42084379)

The Register was described as being "a publication with an open pro-Microsoft bias".

Not really, they generally have an anti-everything bias (tag line is "Biting the hand that feeds IT"), and occasionally revel in saying things that go against the generally accepted geek point of view. I read every day, and I don't think they have a pro-anything bias.

Re:Warning: Andrew Orlowski (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about 2 years ago | (#42084191)

The register's journalistic integrity is quite low. That said, some of his complaints against freetards are valid. People who think they deserve everything for the price of their broadband connection aren't people anyone should pay attention to.

I love ripping on RIM but... (4, Interesting)

EmperorOfCanada (1332175) | about 2 years ago | (#42083997)

RIM is so much fun to rip on because of the MBA/Scumbag lawyer types who have their BBs clipped onto their belts. But long ago BB was the first phone that caught my attention (around 2000). It had a sort of 486 processor in it and a fairly easy to use SDK. But I couldn't find a way to market the applications. So I ignored them for the last dozen years.

But here they are potentially using QT (and thus C++) which is my favorite development base. So there might be hope. I want to see how easy it is to use, deploy, and sell. Next I have doubts about the typical baby boomer being able to use this phone. In the demo there are swipes/side swipes/twisty swipes/and swipes with a half twist of lemon; so I fear that the boomer crowd might be a bit lost.

Lastly the keyboard might free up room for the screen but my daughter has the option of almost any phone she wants and she and her friends all have BB phones for their keyboards and BBMs. My other daughter doesn't text as much and only wants iPhones.

So what I hope that comes from this is that there is a push to get QT not only onto the BB but to expand it to the Android NDK as well as iOS. This might not sound like the best idea for RIM but they would then get developers like me primarily developing for iOS using QT but then porting to the others in short order. I look at my Objective-C code and dread porting all those square brackets to Java or C++. But just noodling the GUI and a bit of fiddling to port stuff would be great.

Re:I love ripping on RIM but... (1)

Nethead (1563) | about 2 years ago | (#42084747)

That boomer crowd you think my get lost with a few odd swipes was the same crowd that coded in machine language and flipped toggle switches to load memory. I don't think a toy interface is going to throw us.

Re:I love ripping on RIM but... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42085275)

...and what percentage of the boomer crowd coded in machine language and flipped toggle switches?

Yes but....... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42084021)

Does Blackberry 10 still take like 10 mins to boot up if you remove the battery. Seriously the boot times on pretty much all the past Blackberries is painful. I have seen some Berries loaded with some apps take 20 mins to load....

Imagine this, you are in a serious car accident, and you manage to put the battery back into your phone.. That would be the most painful longest 10 mins in your life just so you can call 911.. Even worse if you are bleeding...

I am surprised they haven't had a case like this against them by now..

Re:Yes but....... (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | about 2 years ago | (#42087059)

Does Blackberry 10 still take like 10 mins to boot up if you remove the battery. Seriously the boot times on pretty much all the past Blackberries is painful. I have seen some Berries loaded with some apps take 20 mins to load....

No, on the Dev Alpha B it's about 50 seconds. Every dev alpha software update we've received has decreased that time. This aside, realistically you almost never reboot the thing - unlike the old BB which needed a reboot for every 3rd party software upgrade.

Why BlackBerry? (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about 2 years ago | (#42084187)

The problem with BlackBerry in recent years is that there's been no real convincing reason to use it rather than Android/iOS/Windows Phone. Unless you belong to a company tied into the BlackBerry environment, why would you really choose a BlackBerry?

Re:Why BlackBerry? (2)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | about 2 years ago | (#42084341)

"in recent years".

This is a new platform built on QNX, borrowing Qt from Symbian and Meego and running Android apps.

3rd place in a two horse race (2)

gelfling (6534) | about 2 years ago | (#42084245)

BB isn't in the top 5 in unit sales anymore, or if it is, it's barely hanging on to 5 place. And HTC is 3rd place with barely 4.2% and it's almost entirely piggybacking on Android.

There are two phone companies now: Samsung + Android, and Apple iOS. And everyone else is or will soon be irrelevant.

Sony, Panasonic, Sanyo, Nokia, Motorola, Blackberry, ZTE (in the US at any rate) are all going to the Le Brea Tarpits.

And if MS doesn't pull the plug on Win 8 Phone in 20 months it will be because Balmer has lost what's left of his mind.

Re:3rd place in a two horse race (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42086903)

You really are a shortsighted knucklehead. Just because Apple & Samsung are strong right now, that doesnt mean everyone else turns to sand. All it takes is someone to develop a great product, and the landscape changes. 2 years ago, Samsung's phone's were junk. 5.5 years ago, Apple's only phone on the market was the Rokr.

Re:3rd place in a two horse race (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42087363)

You probably haven't even picked up a Windows Phone. It's pretty cool. Gets to the point, no BS. That what all this stuff is about now, 'making it simple'. I don't find android simple/to the point. You could easily be right however.

Hey iPhone Users! (0, Flamebait)

evilviper (135110) | about 2 years ago | (#42084503)

Hey iPhone Users!

BB10 has maps...

And they don't suck!

End of review

Re:Hey iPhone Users! (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 2 years ago | (#42087083)

Hmm... talking of blind believers... BB10 isn't out yet.

The problems with Apple Maps only became apparent the day the public got their hands on them.

BB10 Demo by RIM CEO (3, Interesting)

aNonnyMouseCowered (2693969) | about 2 years ago | (#42084789)

BBC has a video interview with the RIM CEO which shows him demo-ing the BB10 UI. The UI is more elegant than visually in-your-face striking like WinPhone 8.

The UI kind of reminds me of the Opera/Chrome, and now Firefox too, Start Page with thumbnail previews of your favorite or most recently used apps.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20087221 [bbc.co.uk]

Re:BB10 Demo by RIM CEO (1)

NJRoadfan (1254248) | about 2 years ago | (#42085243)

The split screen view reminds me of the Amiga. Its far from being a new concept, but why didn't anyone think of implementing it on a smartphone until now?

Re:BB10 Demo by RIM CEO (1)

Pulzar (81031) | about 2 years ago | (#42085297)

"The application grid is a paradigm that was introduced five years ago, and we have completely changed that", he says, as he opens up the application grid.

Then he proceeds to show us the revolutionary multi-tasking interface, which is in a 2x2 grid.

I hope they plan to have some better demos soon.

Usable and useful? (-1)

ShAdoWlkr (13549) | about 2 years ago | (#42084967)

Describing a blackberry as "Usable and Useful" in this day and age is a joke right? I unfortunately have been assigned a BB Bold where I work... It is the biggest pile of dog shit EVER. It falls far short of iPhones and Androids. The keyboard sucks as the alt and shift keys are reversed (who the FUCK thought of that? I want to kick that guy in the fucking balls)... So the reversed keys is a PITA by itself but you add the ancient plastic keyboard... fuck it makes typing anything beyond lower case text painfully frustrating.

I could write a book on how fucking dumb this curse upon me is, complete with detailed explanations for each point... I am getting too pissed off to keep going. That fucking pile of horse shit SUCKS.

 

FIPS-certified (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42085053)

Military contracts are juicy.

There are a lot of companies out there which you have never heard of making gear for government and defense agencies which you will never buy and they are making a killing doing so.

Blackberry is one of these which just happens to have some slop-over into the public realm.

This latest phone has people excited in the government contracting department. BB products have been sliding of late, but if this phone does the job they promise, (and it looks like it will), then BB ought to have a shot at staying all cozied up to the pork barrel.

They're still in business? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42086027)

Like a lot of household names, society has passed them by.

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