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Apple Claims New Infringement After Being Ordered To Tell Samsung HTC Secrets

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the circle-of-litigation dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Ordered to tell Samsung all of the company's HTC secrets, Apple throws a tantrum and adds a bunch of new products to the never-ending list of products Samsung has infringed on. Apple's tantrum stems from a ruling on Thursday that could have a large effect on the Apple lawsuit. The Apple lawsuit, which was filed in February, alleges that Samsung violated Apple patents related to user interface, technology and style. The first decision was found in favor of Apple to the tune of $1 billion, but Samsung is trying to get that ruling thrown out. But as the Apple lawsuit has gone on, the Apple lawsuit has gotten fiercer, and because of a ruling on Thursday, Apple throws a tantrum and is trying to add even more products into the lawsuit."

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OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42095625)

If I wanted to read bias shit, I'd look up my ass !!

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (4, Insightful)

Lews Therin Telamon (229342) | about 2 years ago | (#42095651)

I completely agree. Apple certainly is not adding more devices because Samsung just did the same. That could never be the cause, it has to be they are throwing a fit.

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (2)

Relayman (1068986) | about 2 years ago | (#42095865)

Wouldn't the HTC settlement help Apple's case? If HTC will settle patent claims with Apple, why doesn't Samsung do so on similar terms? Why does Apple have to sue Samsung when Apple is this big reasonable company that just wants to cross-license its patent portfolio at a reasonable price?

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (4, Informative)

Derekloffin (741455) | about 2 years ago | (#42095929)

Would it help Apple, no, at best it is neutral to this case. The issue Samsung is trying to make is that Apple allowed licensing of their patents to HTC, but refuses out of hand to do the same for them. I'm not sure how much that helps Samsung even if true though, as patent law confuses me greatly probably because it is so broken at the moment.

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (5, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | about 2 years ago | (#42096341)

It could also affect dollar amounts. This is the same Apple who wants to offer $1 per device total for several major feature parents from Motorola, but thinks minor design patents means Samsung should pay $30-$40 per device to Apple. Divulging the deal with HTC will likely show that Apple never negotiated in good faith with Samsung and that damages should be much lower, or perhaps change the verdict in an appeal.

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (2, Insightful)

Dishwasha (125561) | about 2 years ago | (#42096395)

I am sorry you are so ill-informed. The patent system is not broken. It is purposefully confusing and complex to help drive innovation in fast paced industries like the smartphone sector. Don't believe me? Just ask hundreds of envious countries and tens of millions of employed American workers [slashdot.org] .

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (5, Interesting)

kenboldt (1071456) | about 2 years ago | (#42096633)

IANAL but I believe the issue that Samsung has is that Apple repeatedly seeks injunctions which would bar the sale of products by Samsung because Apple claims that monetary compensation, i.e. licencing fees, is not enough. Samsung is contending that many of the patents that Apple has used to have injunctions placed on Samsung products are included in the HTC licencing deal. In other words, monetary compensation clearly IS enough, and therefore any injunctions should be removed and Samsung should be offered similar licencing deals to the one that HTC has.

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (5, Interesting)

gnasher719 (869701) | about 2 years ago | (#42096003)

Wouldn't the HTC settlement help Apple's case? If HTC will settle patent claims with Apple, why doesn't Samsung do so on similar terms? Why does Apple have to sue Samsung when Apple is this big reasonable company that just wants to cross-license its patent portfolio at a reasonable price?

Well, Apple doesn't _want_ to cross-license its patents. However, the fact is that Samsung used these patents without permission, and Samsung sales have gone up, while HTC sales have gone down. So here is what most likely happened:

Someone at the negotiation table said, look, HTC isn't really Apple's enemy, Samsung is. And Apple isn't really HTCs enemy, Samsung is. So much better to join forces, license these patents to HTC, and to Microsoft, and to anyone other than Samsung. And do their best to f*** Samsung together. Samsung shouldn't be too surprised if there will be some HTC lawsuits following.

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (3, Insightful)

PRMan (959735) | about 2 years ago | (#42096049)

But if Apple can license their patents to HTC, Samsung can ask the courts for a license at the same amount. It is possible that the court will grant that, as Apple clearly thought it was fair for a very similar competitor.

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (3, Insightful)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 2 years ago | (#42096201)

But if Apple can license their patents to HTC, Samsung can ask the courts for a license at the same amount. It is possible that the court will grant that, as Apple clearly thought it was fair for a very similar competitor.

Only if said patents are FRAND. At which point they MUST. But for non-FRAND patents, they don't have to.

If they aren't, then it's perfectly fine for Apple to not license to Samsung at all - because the "ND" part doesn't apply. Hell, the "F" part doesn't have to apply as well.

And Samsung has stated clearly they are NOT willing to form any sort of agreement.

Heck, Microsoft has licensed patents with Apple (cross-licensed). Apple doesn't have to charge HTC the same rates that Microsoft is paying.

For the FRAND patents, Microsoft and Apple are arguing the rates specified by Samsung and Motorola are unfair. Unfortunately, the big issue there is no one really said what fair was as a lot of the rates include cross-licensing. And Samsung wants injunctions because Apple's violating their FRAND patents, while Samsung's arguing that since Apple licensed patents to HTC, Apple cannot force an injunction on Samsung products (the problem being that Samsung is, by FRAND forced to license, so they can't argue that they deserve an injunction for licensable patents while Apple doesn't for other potentially licensable patents).

Of course, the business case may be that it's very helpful to license it because if HTC is paying, and Samsung is paying, so should LG, Motorola/Google, ZTE and everyone else (who may include Amazon and B&N).

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (4, Interesting)

sjames (1099) | about 2 years ago | (#42096391)

However, in a civil suit, actual damages are based on fair market value. The best guide to that is how much Apple freely chose to license the patents to third party for.

I think this is about Anti-trust (1)

SerpentMage (13390) | about 2 years ago | (#42096485)

The problem here is that Apple can face anti-trust issues! While it does not have to license its patents, it does have to face anti-trust issues.

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (4, Interesting)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 2 years ago | (#42096657)

But if HTC and Samsung are both using Apple's patents (with HTC doing so legally) and HTC sales go down but Samsung sales go up, doesn't that imply it has nothing to do with Apple's patents, and everything to do with Samsung marketing and innovation?

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (2)

ggraham412 (1492023) | about 2 years ago | (#42096171)

Because Apple wants to drive Samsung out of the smartphone/tablet business. If HTC licensed the same patents for a reasonable price, Samsung would have some leverage to get the same deal and stay in the market.

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | about 2 years ago | (#42096249)

Because Apple wants to drive Samsung out of the smartphone/tablet business. If HTC licensed the same patents for a reasonable price, Samsung would have some leverage to get the same deal and stay in the market.

There is of course the argument that if A uses patents illegally and gains a competitive advantage against B, then the patent holder would quite reasonably license the patent to B so we get better competition, and not ever license the patent to A.

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (1)

sosume (680416) | about 2 years ago | (#42096623)

Because Apple wants to drive Samsung out of the smartphone/tablet business. If HTC licensed the same patents for a reasonable price, Samsung would have some leverage to get the same deal and stay in the market.

And Apple is succesfully steering Samsung out of the smartphone market. Oh wait..

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (5, Insightful)

gus goose (306978) | about 2 years ago | (#42096255)

Wouldn't it help Apple...? No.

Apple is trying to push for an injunction barring Samsung from selling its products at all. I.e. kill Samsung sales totally. Apple has claimed that the value of it's patents is so great, or impossible to calculate, and the only possible remedy for Samsung's infringement is to stop sales entirely. Apple has claimed that it is not possible for Samsung to pay license fees for the patents.

But now, it would appear that HTC *has* licensed (at least some of) the patents, so Samsung is claiming that it *is* possible to put a value to the patents, and thus a full injunction is not necessary, because a financial solution can be found.

That is why it sucks for Apple... because, if the court agrees with Samsung, Apple a) won't be able to stop samsung sales b) will be shown to be lying about licensing

gus

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 2 years ago | (#42096707)

If only lying in court was illegal.

Judge: Sorry plaintiff, turns out you lied to me, I find in favour of the defendant.
Plaintiff: Fuck, who can I sue now?

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (4, Insightful)

whoever57 (658626) | about 2 years ago | (#42096273)

Wouldn't the HTC settlement help Apple's case?

No, because Apple want to completely ban the Samsung devices and claims that money can't make up for the harm that Samsung's devices are causing. However, if Apple licensed their patents to HTC, then clearly money can make up for the harm and thus, Apple is only entitled to money damages, not a complete ban (if Samsung's devices are found to be infringing).

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (4, Insightful)

shmlco (594907) | about 2 years ago | (#42095901)

From 3 days ago, "Now Samsung has responded in kind, adding the iPad mini, 4th generation iPad and 5th generation iPod touch to the mix."

"Samsung’s additions shouldn’t come as a surprise; when a judge ruled that Apple was indeed allowed to add Android 4.2 Jelly Bean as it pertains to the Samsung Galaxy Nexus, as well as the Galaxy Note 10.1 and Galaxy S III to the proceedings, he specifically warned that in granting that alteration, Apple should be prepared for return amendments from Samsung. Specifically, he said that the iPad mini and latest iPad were likely additions."

"Samsung had previously moved to have the iPhone 5 added to the filing, and that motion was successful."

And back. And forth. And back again.

Apple is making a mistake, I think. (5, Insightful)

blind biker (1066130) | about 2 years ago | (#42096203)

"Samsungâ(TM)s additions shouldnâ(TM)t come as a surprise; when a judge ruled that Apple was indeed allowed to add Android 4.2 Jelly Bean as it pertains to the Samsung Galaxy Nexus, as well as the Galaxy Note 10.1 and Galaxy S III to the proceedings, he specifically warned that in granting that alteration, Apple should be prepared for return amendments from Samsung. Specifically, he said that the iPad mini and latest iPad were likely additions."

I see what Apple is trying to do, here: they're concentrating their fire onto Samsung because it's the most successful Android company. Apple thinks that by "teaching these guys a lesson" they'll instill fear in all the rest of the Android companies, and steer them to crappier alternatives (like Windows Phone, Windows RT) that could never compete with iDevices. Like the biggest bully beating up the guy that could pose the biggest threat to his hegemony. But Apple is making a mistake, I think, for two reasons:
- The guy Apple decided to bully is proving to be a tough nut to crack, and that might, instead of discouraging, actually encourage the other vendors. If for no other reason, then because Apple is being distracted by this huge war they got themselves into.
- There are Android companies that won't stop making Android devices, regardless of what Apple does to Samsung. Win or lose, these companies will continue making Android devices, and enjoy their small profits. I am talking about all those nameless Chinese companies that are more than happy to make cheap Android tablets or phones for the masses. Yes, Apple probably doesn't much care about those, since they aren't even catering to the same market as the iDevices are, but moreover, these are nimble companies working in the gray areas that are mostly out of bounds to Apple's lawyers. But their combined effect may very well make Android the dominant player.
- Google has enough muscle to help one Android company at a time, releasing Nexus-branded Android tablets and phones. Google takes a financial hit on each of these, but it's small enough compared to the profits Google makes. This is another source of Android devices that Apple cannot easily quench. And something tells me that Google's corporate policy is one to not give in to bullies, so there might be a bit of a personal thing going on there, especially if Apple insists being dicks.

So, I personally think that Apple needs to stop doing what they're doing.

Re:Apple is making a mistake, I think. (1)

jythie (914043) | about 2 years ago | (#42096393)

I highly doubt they are being that conspiratorial about their lawsuit. More likely their lawyers (and shareholders) saw an opportunity to potentially reduce the competitiveness or extract cash out of another company. No deeper plan is need. I doubt Apple feels any desire to go after 'Android'... that is really more of a fanboy fantasy thing then a company plan.

Re:Apple is making a mistake, I think. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42096669)

The only thing Windows Phone lacks right now is apps. The devices themselves are quite high quality and the UI is, IMO, better than both iOS and Android.

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42096257)

Personally, when it's between two companies that can afford it, I love to watch this lawyer jockying. It's like watching two top athletic teams go at it on the field, but way more exciting than sports. I don't buy Apple products, so I couldn't care less how it affects their product prices. I do like Samsung displays a lot though :(

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (1)

sjames (1099) | about 2 years ago | (#42096511)

Considering that the judge rolled out the red carpet and practically suggested it to Samsung, of course they did.

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (0)

ceoyoyo (59147) | about 2 years ago | (#42096337)

But Samsung didn't add more devices in a fit of pique, or a tantrum.

I miss the real Slashdot. Circa 1998.

Re:OPINOPS ?? LIKE ASSHOLES ?? YES !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42095891)

Is the subject header just the most epic fail misspelling of "onions" ever? Because I'm having a hard time figuring out what other sort of sense it could make, and I'm only desperately clinging to my belief in the basic humanity of my fellow people that it's not a terminally retarded abbreviation that should've died a messy, bloody death as an example to all the first time some braindead trendwhore uttered it.

How about we bust teh fucking chops of the judge? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42095661)

Enough of this fucking illogic
Either people are going to use common sense, or this planet is going to FUCKING DEEP FRY
Every motherfucker reading this needs to KNOW what JURY NULLIFICATION IS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!

It's apple and samsung right now, but it's your fucking LOVED ONE NEXT...

Here's one I just found I didn't even know about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7UBFK-58AVw

There's some archived slashdot where some commie gay fag fried me last time.
Now it's time for you motherfuckers to fry a bit, don't be scared of MAYA 2012, be scared of retarded pieces of commie fag fucking up the system from the inside out.

I said it quietly.

I say it quietly again.

RESTORE THE US CONSTITUTION.

Tantrum? (3, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | about 2 years ago | (#42095689)

Biased summary much?

Any value Slashdot once had as a source for tech news is entirely gone now. Sensationalistic crap for the win.

Meh.

Re:Tantrum? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42095767)

No, just accurate.

Re:Tantrum? (4, Insightful)

ktappe (747125) | about 2 years ago | (#42096335)

No, just accurate.

"Apple throws a tantrum" is "accurate"? Nobody had headlines like "Samsung loses $1billion case, throws a tantrum and demands HTC documents." This is biased reporting, pure and simple.

Re:Tantrum? (1, Insightful)

ugen (93902) | about 2 years ago | (#42095795)

Mod parent up.

What the hell? Is /. finally gone on Samsung payroll here? Srsly guys, try to at least *pretend* to report news. Also "anonymous" submitter? Is is email pr@samsung.com by any chance?

Re:Tantrum? (1)

Relayman (1068986) | about 2 years ago | (#42095879)

pr people never use words like "tantrum."

Re:Tantrum? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42095935)

What the hell? Is /. finally gone on Samsung payroll here? Srsly guys, try to at least *pretend* to report news.

Yeah! Like how next week there'll be an article on /. on a plan to start a rumor of a whisper of an idea based on an original storyline found on bathroom wall graffiti direct from Cupertino that Apple might possibly maybe if the stars are right and a d100 turns out juuuuuuuuuust right release a WHITE iPhone 5! We need that sort of important news so that we can get back to bitching about how /. is fully on Apple's payroll now, the way it should be!

Re:Tantrum? (4, Insightful)

mk1004 (2488060) | about 2 years ago | (#42096219)

groklaw.net is a much better source of information about the Samsung/Apple legal mess. Slashdot referencing a Yahoo news article that's obviously done by someone who's clueless doesn't do the /. community any favors.

Re:Tantrum? (2)

jythie (914043) | about 2 years ago | (#42096429)

Within geek communities, Apple hate and Android love is the trendy 'in' way to be. No payroll needed.. just feeding into the narrative that their trendy readership wants.

Re:Tantrum? (2)

Silentknyght (1042778) | about 2 years ago | (#42096431)

RTFA. Or at least hover over the link to it. "Tantrum" isn't editorializing by Slashdot, but exists within the article itself. At best, it's repeating editorializing without taking a neutral tone.

Re:Tantrum? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42095817)

Okay, then you go study Apple employees (and their customers, lol) and see if they throw the oxford dictionary defition of a tantrum. They do.

Re:Tantrum? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42095875)

Steve Jobs was well known for throwing tantrums. I fail to see how this is not a suitable word. He may be gone, but his legal team is still carrying on his maniacal vendetta against Android.

Re:Tantrum? (5, Interesting)

muuh-gnu (894733) | about 2 years ago | (#42096637)

> his legal team is still carrying on his maniacal vendetta

To complete your statement with direct quotes:

  • "I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong,"
  • "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."
  • "I don't want your money. (...) I've got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that's all I want."

Apple has built such a Fuehrer cult around Jobs, that they now have to realize his last wish even if it greatly harms them, or risk admitting that he was crazy, at least with regard to his irrational hate for Google.

Re: Tantrum? (2)

Dupple (1016592) | about 2 years ago | (#42096041)

There was no tantrum, just a web sites 'report'. Samsung must've thrown a tantrum to get the iPhone 5 added

http://allthingsd.com/20121123/samsung-wants-ipad-mini-added-to-apple-suit/ [allthingsd.com]

Then another to go after the other devices?

No of course not. Come on /. You're trolling your own readers now

Re:Tantrum? (2)

whoever57 (658626) | about 2 years ago | (#42096077)

Biased summary much?

In this case, biased article perhaps, but not biased summary. The article (TFA) title uses the word "tantrum", so actually, the summary tones down the sensationalist phrasing.

Re: Tantrum? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42096315)

The thing is, Samsung added the additional devices AFTER the HTC ruling.

Re:Tantrum? (1)

ktappe (747125) | about 2 years ago | (#42096363)

Biased summary much?

In this case, biased article perhaps, but not biased summary. The article (TFA) title uses the word "tantrum", so actually, the summary tones down the sensationalist phrasing.

But the summary did not have to use the "tantrum" weasel word. Further, OP didn't have to cite a biased article; there were hundreds to choose from that didn't call it a "tantrum".

Re:Tantrum? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42096307)

Biased summary much?

Any value Slashdot once had as a source for tech news is entirely gone now. Sensationalistic crap for the win.

Meh.

Hehe. Its funny you make fun of them when you basically have no insight, nothing intelligent or even anything note worth to say. You show up, spout some kind of generic kneejerk reaction comment and then just run off with the oh so brilliant "meh" finisher.

Is this all you do with your day is randomly posting absolutely nothing but drivel to run off again to the next one? Or do you just purposefully comment on anything so you can be opposed to it?

So meh, get in line with the other million people who do that exact same thing and try again when you have something actually worth say.

Re:Tantrum? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42096441)

Considering your history as a retardedly myopic Apple fanboy, it's hard to take you seriously at all. Though you're not wrong on this.

Re:Tantrum? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42096447)

No need to throw a tantrum!

Re:Tantrum? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42096483)

Apple fanboys throw tantrum over the title of an article... Must be true that apple itself did the same.

Re:Tantrum? (4, Insightful)

sl3xd (111641) | about 2 years ago | (#42096545)

I care far less about whether the summary is biased than I care that the summary is horrible.

Apple throws a tantrum and adds a bunch of new products to the never-ending list of products Samsung has infringed on... because of a ruling on Thursday, Apple throws a tantrum and is trying to add even more products into the lawsuit

Here's a tip: Repeating bad grammar doesn't improve it; repeating bad grammar in what should be a summary is both embarrassing and redundant.

Re:Tantrum? (1)

MrHanky (141717) | about 2 years ago | (#42096561)

...entirely gone? Slashdot has always had wildly inaccurate summaries. You were always better off ignoring it, with a better summary usually showing up in the fourth or fifth top level comment, after wading through a sea of tripe based on the sensationalist, poorly spelt and edited bullshit put on the front page.

This summary is just slightly below par for a site with a long tradition for getting almost everything wrong.

Re:Tantrum? (0)

You're All Wrong (573825) | about 2 years ago | (#42096577)

Biased poster much?

Just look at your post history - apple, apple, apple, apple, apple, apple, apple, apple, ...

If the rest of the world doesn't share your icon worship and that offends your fragile ego, please feel free to not read the stories that would shatter your reality distortion field.

tl;dr? Don't throw a tantrum

Re:Tantrum? (5, Insightful)

Bob9113 (14996) | about 2 years ago | (#42096655)

Biased summary much?

Any value Slashdot once had as a source for tech news is entirely gone now.

You're doing it wrong. The value of Slashdot is not in the flawed and often biased summaries, it is in the discussions. And it is not in the majority of discussion comments that you find fault with, it is in the rare gems that make you think. You have to work for it. Facile criticism is moderately useful in chastening fan-bois and -grrls, but you could be getting more, and giving more, if you tried.

The real magic of Slashdot is on the other side of the pen. When you start doing some real analysis and putting your rich and well-formed thoughts out there, that's when it really starts to shine. It's tough; you will have to suffer shallow potshots from armchair critics, but you will get a thousand times more upside from those few people who constructively explore a subtle flaw in your perception. Those people give you the opportunity to improve your world view. What you gain by putting a more substantive post out there, facing the slings and arrows, and evolving your hypotheses to subsume an ever more accuate picture of reality is truly extraordinary.

I've looked through your posts. Once you get past the daggers you have a lot to add. You have more to give than cheap shots at easy targets.

Was this summary written by a 9 year old?? (0)

the computer guy nex (916959) | about 2 years ago | (#42095691)

seriously

Re:Was this summary written by a 9 year old?? (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about 2 years ago | (#42095789)

BTW, did Apple throw a tantrum?? The synopsis is a tad unclear.

That's discrimination (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42095793)

How can you in good conscience imply that a nine-year-old has lower abilities than a 49-year-old?

This is blatant ageism!

What if it were a gay, blind, transsexual, mentally challenged, African-American nine-year-old?

Then you'd be racist, sexist, homophobic and ableist too!

Re:Was this summary written by a 9 year old?? (4, Funny)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | about 2 years ago | (#42095813)

I would agree it is written by a 9 year old based on the sensationalism and redundancy. Because of redundancy in the summary, along with sensationalism, I agree that it was written by a 9 year old.

Conspiracies Everywhere! (4, Insightful)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about 2 years ago | (#42095695)

FTA: "So, most likely in response to that judge's ruling..."

No evidence, no reasoning, just one persons unsubstantiated opinion that these two items are connected. Combine that will biased language like "tantrum" and you get a content free piece of click bait. Congratulations.

Re:Conspiracies Everywhere! (3, Insightful)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#42096001)

Maybe Slashdot should stop accepting submission from anonymous readers, so at least if submitters troll in the summary we at least know who they are. Or perhaps, I don't know, the editors could actually edit the submissions so they're not blatantly trolling.

Apple Sucks (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42095701)

Your overly expensive Apple has a worm in it.

bit more dramatic summary than necessary (4, Insightful)

Trepidity (597) | about 2 years ago | (#42095705)

What is actually happening can probably be better summarized something like this: highly paid legal teams in huge patent lawsuit continue to jockey for position with miscellaneous legal moves.

Re:bit more dramatic summary than necessary (1)

bWareiWare.co.uk (660144) | about 2 years ago | (#42096263)

or more like:
highly paid legal teams in huge patent lawsuit continue to jockey for to extend the case and their own paychecks.

Is 'Tantrum' the technical word? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42095707)

OMG what a tantrum. I almost threw a tantrum when I saw the news about the tantrum.

Re:Is 'Tantrum' the technical word? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42095873)

The legal term is argumentum tantrum. It translates to argument by tantrum and refers to the legal technique of making additional arguments based on rulings that are not made in the lawyer's favor. It's a seldom-used term since it's basically a trait of all lawyers.

free of bias (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42095709)

Only the finest in unbiased journalism. "Apple throws a tantrum..."

Poorly written summary (-1)

dyingtolive (1393037) | about 2 years ago | (#42095719)

It kind of repeats itself. Today, the inflammatory anti-apple story summary summary repeats itself.

Terrible summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42095745)

I realize that anthropomorphizing this legal quarrel gets the most pageviews but do you really have to practice tabloid style reporting by repeating phrases like "throwing a tantrum" three times in one short summary?

Apple is too influenced by their audience (0, Troll)

concealment (2447304) | about 2 years ago | (#42095757)

2000 AD: Apple begins selling its products to hipsters, more than just self-righteous gear nerds.

2012 AD: The hipster mentality takes over Apple entirely. When faced with a court ruling, Apple stamps its feet like a petulant child, lights up an "American Spirit," and talks about how music was cooler back when it was DIY and this court has never heard of that.

Re:Apple is too influenced by their audience (1)

bfandreas (603438) | about 2 years ago | (#42095893)

2000 AD: Apple begins selling its products to hipsters, more than just self-righteous gear nerds.

2012 AD: The hipster mentality takes over Apple entirely. When faced with a court ruling, Apple stamps its feet like a petulant child, lights up an "American Spirit," and talks about how music was cooler back when it was DIY and this court has never heard of that.

This is what irks me the most. I smoke American Spirit and I did it before it was co.....oh SHIT! DAMMIT!

Can't we just kill them? It wouldn't be euthanasia but self-defense. In a "stand your soapbox" kind of way.

American Spirits are good cigarettes. (1)

concealment (2447304) | about 2 years ago | (#42096401)

No argument from me there. American Spirits are tasty cigarettes. In fact, it's hard to go back to the 'bros or Camels after a pack of those.

To keep people from thinking I'm a hipster, I wear a suit and carry a Bible whenever I smoke one!

Are you trying to say... (2, Funny)

Captain_Chaos (103843) | about 2 years ago | (#42095799)

Are you trying to say that Apple threw a tantrum?

Re:Are you trying to say... (4, Funny)

danomac (1032160) | about 2 years ago | (#42095845)

They've thrown enough of those recently. They should switch to something different... like chairs.

Re:Are you trying to say... (2)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 2 years ago | (#42096139)

its all a mis-translation.

what they meant to say is that apple motherboards tend to blow tantalums.

it seems, apple does not have the, uhhh, capacity to compete anymore.

SCO? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42095833)

It reminds me SCO vs Linux case. Like Apple has nothing better to do.

Do I look like a fish? (0)

ttimes (534696) | about 2 years ago | (#42095847)

...because your gratuitous use of "tantrum" is just bait. We don't know anything more than an addendum was filed and you add "tantrum". This is not only how rumors get started, but how you can falsely gain the label of 'idiot".

The diclining path of douchebagery (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42095881)

Well, if Apple thinks their frivolous lawsuits will win them new customers or get old customers back, they'll be in for a surprise in 5-10 years from now.

slashdot has been hacked (2)

l3iggs (1108141) | about 2 years ago | (#42095923)

I don't believe this article made it through whatever review process slashdot uses to decide if a story should be posted or not.

Re:slashdot has been hacked (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42096279)

You must be new... Many of us have been saying this for a few years now

Here are some of the top ways to get thru. Not an exhaustive list...

Talk about Apple (preferably negative so people can pretend they do not like Apple anymore)
Talk about MS (preferably negative so people can pretend they do not use anything made by MS)
Talk about Google (preferably almost negative to get more page hits, but it is ok as it really is a positive)
Talk about some patent troll (preferably over something 'stupid' that should have never got a patent)
Talk about the weather (preferably climate change so you can one or two people post something against it and the rest of the group gang up on them)
Talk about bitcoins (not as popular as it used to be but still get thru)
Talk about some sort of petty computer crime (preferably someone breaking into a system and getting passwords)
Talk about biology (preferably get some sort of dig in on particular religious orgs, that way atheists can bash on others for a few hours and get a warm fuzzy about how cool they are)
Talk about suppression of 'free speech' (preferably by the US gov, but other govs such as China, and large multinational companies can pinch hit, so that way everyone can pretend they are outraged)
Talk about Company XYZ suing Company ABC (preferably one popular one the other not so popular, so people can pretend they do not buy their stuff)

This one is almost a 3fer... So yeah it got thru.

'De-CrApple-Eyezr' (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42096281)

Slashdot needs one!

I have dreamt for years of an application I could use to purge my 'news' of all adjectives. I was taught that good business report writing demands an absolute minimum usage of adjectives in order to focus on the facts. Apparently there's a new twist to the old saying, "Those who can, do..." It now includes an alternative to teaching; It's writing.

Slahdot has gone to the dogs (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42095959)

The slashdot of today is a pale comparison of the slashdot of 3-5 years ago.
Back then it was worth reading daily, there were well thought out, reasoned, and articulated articles.
Now its become a place I come to once a week, and seeing articles like this piece of crap makes me wonder if that is too often.

Bye slashdot, I will remember your good days fondly and are deeply saddened at what you have become.
I guess you can take solace in knowing digg beat you there.

The louder one yells... (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | about 2 years ago | (#42095991)

The louder one screams out against something, the less secure they feel.

You're shooting yourselves in the foot here, Apple. If you were truly the winner in this case, you wouldn't have any problem just playing the game and staying cool about it. Now you've raised eyebrows...

Re:The louder one yells... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42096163)

Wait - if Apple won the case, it means that Samsung unrightfully used their IP, so to prove they really really won they should let them do so for ever forth, not only in past products but most certainly also in all future products.

Re:The louder one yells... (1)

ktappe (747125) | about 2 years ago | (#42096407)

The louder one screams out against something, the less secure they feel.

You're shooting yourselves in the foot here, Apple. If you were truly the winner in this case, you wouldn't have any problem just playing the game and staying cool about it. Now you've raised eyebrows...

Read more about the actual case. Samsung added devices after the HTC agreement; Apple has to counter to keep up. It sure is interesting how you are singling out Apple when it is very clear in this case that it takes two to tango.

Re:The louder one yells... (1)

poofmeisterp (650750) | about 2 years ago | (#42096703)

The louder one screams out against something, the less secure they feel.

You're shooting yourselves in the foot here, Apple. If you were truly the winner in this case, you wouldn't have any problem just playing the game and staying cool about it. Now you've raised eyebrows...

Read more about the actual case. Samsung added devices after the HTC agreement; Apple has to counter to keep up. It sure is interesting how you are singling out Apple when it is very clear in this case that it takes two to tango.

FTR, I didn't single out Apple for any reason sited in the case. I singled them out for being the ones to make the most noise. Red flag.

Anyone else (4, Funny)

Progman3K (515744) | about 2 years ago | (#42096009)

Getting goosebumps at all the innovation this is spurring?

I have a real problem (1)

kiriath (2670145) | about 2 years ago | (#42096033)

With the 'Threw a tantrum'.

Didn't samsung just add a whole list of products to ITs patent infringement lawsuits?

Pot calling kettle, come in kettle.

Stop perpetuating the hate.

Gone (1)

Captain_Chaos (103843) | about 2 years ago | (#42096055)

Did this story just disappear off the Slashdot homepage? I didn't know that could happen...

Meanwhile, Ballmer is laughing his ass off (1)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | about 2 years ago | (#42096103)

Samsung and Apple are going MAD (mutually assured destruction). Bottom line is after this is all said and done there will be such a high cost premiums for Apple or Samsung devices to pay each other's royalties that pretty much Microsoft will walk in offering cheap Windows 8 phones that will flood the market.

Microsoft's saving grace is that nobody wants to copy their ugly shit.

Re:Meanwhile, Ballmer is laughing his ass off (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 2 years ago | (#42096155)

Microsoft's saving grace is that nobody wants to copy their ugly shit.

isn't that like the old joke of having an ugly girlfriend: no one would steal her. and if they do, so what!

Dear samzenpus, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42096127)

can you please stop posting this crap?

Seriously.

MADPS == Mutual Assured Destruction, patent style (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 2 years ago | (#42096129)

Where is this escalation going to end?

Can we somehow resurrect Nixon, and reactivate Kissinger, and get some SALT talks going between Apple and Samsung?

Yes, folks, it's come to, "Nixon now, more than ever!"

Re:MADPS == Mutual Assured Destruction, patent sty (1)

Real1tyCzech (997498) | about 2 years ago | (#42096343)

See, they did it wrong; They should have gone with MAD,GS, then we'd all love it. (Come on, you know what it stands for...)

Dress classy, litigate cheesy, my friend. ;-)

Apple needs to be taken down a few pegs. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42096275)

It's time for the US Justice Department to give them the same treatment they gave Microsoft during the Clinton administration, only this time, hopefully they'll succeed. They should break Apple up into separate companies. One one for mobile devices, one for iTunes and the App Store, (with competing app stores permitted, and they can even call themselves an "app store"!) one for their line of PCs, and one for non-OS software.

Apple's "inventions" (1)

JohnnyCache1 (2771581) | about 2 years ago | (#42096397)

All Apple really did was take a bunch of already-existing technologies (the touch screen, phone and computer parts), and put them together in a small package. How's this any different than "inventing" the hamburger, and why aren't we paying licensing fees every time we eat a Big Mac? I know, I know, don't give them any ideas...

I just don't get it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42096435)

Having used an iPhone for almost three years, I recently decided to try an Android device. It didn't take long (maybe a few days) to realize that, in comparison to Android, i-devices are merely fucking toys, locked down beyond all imagination, devoid of flexibility or any features that would appeal to anybody with even a small amount of geekiness. The iPhone is like totalitarianism in a box. I'm sorry, I wish I didn't feel that way, but I do now that I know what Android is all about.

Bias? (1)

firesyde424 (1127527) | about 2 years ago | (#42096475)

I'm not an Apple lover by any stretch, but any time I see such a skewed summary or article, I tend to ignore it. Wouldn't it be better to just say that Apple added several more Samsung devices to ongoing patent litigation?

Imagine the cars we'd be driving if (1)

future assassin (639396) | about 2 years ago | (#42096551)

Really bad summary (2)

HalAtWork (926717) | about 2 years ago | (#42096567)

Apple throws a tantrum and adds a bunch of new products to the never-ending list of products

Great sentence there...

Apple's tantrum stems from a ruling on Thursday

There's that word again...

...but Samsung is trying to get that ruling thrown out. But as the Apple lawsuit has gone on...

Sounds like babbling.

and because of a ruling on Thursday, Apple throws a tantrum and is trying to add even more products into the lawsuit

Holy shit, didn't you already say that a few sentences ago?

The Global Patent Thermonuclear War is Here (1)

JWW (79176) | about 2 years ago | (#42096589)

All the posturing about "defensive" patents is now gone, the patent war is on in full force. The only thing left to do now is to wait and see how much damage the tech sector needs to take before we outlaw all these fucking software (and even worse, business method) patents.

Will we be left with a technological innovation wasteland?

Is it wrong for me to hope that Samsung gets an injunction on the iPhone and iPad at the same time that Apple gets an injunction on the Galaxy and Galaxy Tab? How about six months of both sides NOT BEING ABLE TO SELL A SINGLE FUCKING PHONE!! If it brings a stop to this inane nonsense, I'm all for it.

This shit needs to stop. As much as I generally like Apple products, I have no remaining sympathy for them when a damned patent troll takes them for a few hundred million bucks. You made your own bed, now sleep in it. Or better yet, spend your money stockpiles on convincing congress to change the idiotic patent laws we have in this country.

*cries and screams* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42096653)

Boo hoo hoo. Too bad for you Apple.

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