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Syria Drops Off the Internet Grid

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the what-bad-governments-do-fig-1 dept.

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hypnosec writes "Amidst the ongoing civil war, Syria has gone off the Internet as of a few hours ago, with all the 84 IP block within the country unreachable from the outside. Renesys, a research firm keeping tabs on the health of the Internet, reported at about 5:25 ET that Syria's Internet connectivity has been shut down. The internet traffic from outside to Syrian IP addresses is going undelivered, and anything coming from within the country is not reaching the Internet. Akamai has tweeted that its traffic data supports what Renesys has observed." Reader trickstyhobbit adds a report from Slate that the connection "appear[s] to have been knocked off line by heavy fighting earlier this morning. They are also reporting that the shutdown may have been intentional to aid in a government operation."

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Did someone say... IP Block? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132249)

Maybe Syria doesn't need to come back, or if it does, maybe not with a full block. IPv4 addresses are valuable!

Re:Did someone say... IP Block? (0, Offtopic)

jemenake (595948) | about 2 years ago | (#42132293)

Exactly! When I read that, the first thing through my mind was "Oh, great! The world can hit the snooze button on the IPv6 rollout for another 18 months!"

Re:Did someone say... IP Block? (1)

eugene ts wong (231154) | about 2 years ago | (#42132297)

That was what I was thinking. We might as well force them to upgrade.

Sounds good. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132495)

Let's do that. What better non-violence way of pretesting.

Re:Sounds good. (0)

cayenne8 (626475) | about 2 years ago | (#42133909)

You know, the rest of the world would be so much better if Syria and most of that part of the world, just would drop completely off the planet....

Dibs! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42133307)

I call dibs on the .sy domain.

Re:Dibs! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42133439)

You just want www.pus.sy

Would their network be as barbaric as I'd expect? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132261)

Time to unplug the router, wait a few seconds, and plug it in again.

Re:Would their network be as barbaric as I'd expec (1)

RenderSeven (938535) | about 2 years ago | (#42133507)

..or hang up and dial back in?

Woohoo! Long live IPv4! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132275)

Free IPs for everyone.

Does that mean? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132305)

We can reclaim those IPs? I'm sure they would love to hear they can now only avail of IPv6 addressing :p

Re:Does that mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42133965)

We can reclaim those IPs?

Oh we will.

As we all know, (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132323)

A communication disruption can only mean one thing.

Re:As we all know, (4, Funny)

cosm (1072588) | about 2 years ago | (#42132639)

A communication disruption can only mean one thing.

It must be IT's fault.

Re:As we all know, (3, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | about 2 years ago | (#42132709)

A communication disruption can only mean one thing.

It must be IT's fault.

They were trying to google the capitol of Syria to get past the Bridge of Death, came back with the wrong answer and they've all been cast into the Gorge of Eternal Peril.

Re:As we all know, (4, Funny)

jerpyro (926071) | about 2 years ago | (#42133085)

At least they weren't using Apple Maps, they'd have invaded Sri Lanka instead.

Re:As we all know, (2)

TubeSteak (669689) | about 2 years ago | (#42132983)

It must be IT's fault.

Obviously you've never felt horror at the sound of a backhoe firing up.

Re:As we all know, (4, Funny)

NevarMore (248971) | about 2 years ago | (#42133043)

Hello?
Yes.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?

Re:As we all know, (1)

partyguerrilla (1597357) | about 2 years ago | (#42134059)

Did you see that ludicrous display last night?

Re:As we all know, (1)

nura78 (757740) | about 2 years ago | (#42133895)

I wonder if they have tried turning it off and on again. Making sure that it's plugged in of course....

Re:As we all know, (1)

who_stole_my_kidneys (1956012) | about 2 years ago | (#42132759)

A communication disruption can only mean one thing.

Aliens!

Re:As we all know, (1)

Megane (129182) | about 2 years ago | (#42132843)

Skynet is becoming sentient?

Re:As we all know, (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132969)

Seriously? You quoted the worst of the three worst Star Wars movies?

Seriously? I recognized that quote?

Re:As we all know, (1)

SilentStaid (1474575) | about 2 years ago | (#42133119)

Someone Google'd the word, Google? Quick, get up to the top of the Syrian version of Big Ben to get their internet back online!

This is why no one takes the Elders of the Internet seriously.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbyYGrswtg

Re:As we all know, (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 2 years ago | (#42133125)

A communication disruption can only mean one thing.

What, that Lucasfilm is in full steam, to make us cry again?

Re:As we all know, (2)

DarthBling (1733038) | about 2 years ago | (#42133127)

For those that didn't get it, it's a quote from Star War Episode 1. The answer is "invasion".

Re:As we all know, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42133223)

A communication disruption can only mean one thing.

Damn Gungans stealing our copper!

Re:As we all know, (1)

eugene ts wong (231154) | about 2 years ago | (#42133245)

Porn? Rule 34? What??

What is the meaning of a communication disruption?

Re:As we all know, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42133777)

That's right. The internet has detected Syria as damage and routed around it.

Re:As we all know, (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42134135)

They finally managed to kill the sysadmin [xkcd.com] somehow?

Meanwhile (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132345)

There is great change in the Middle East

http://world.time.com/2012/11/29/why-palestine-will-win-big-at-the-un/
'An instructive week after Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip tested Israel on the battlefield, the pacifist politicians who govern the West Bank are poised to notch a significant diplomatic win without much of a fight at all. Today, Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas formally asks the United Nations General Assembly to be voted aboard as a “non-member state.” Assured of its passage by a whopping majority, Israel and the United States have noted their objections mildly and mostly for the record, their effort to limit the fallout for the Jewish state itself limited in the wake of Gaza. The status of “non-member state” — emphasis on the “state” — will give Palestine the same level of diplomatic recognition as the Vatican, which is technically a sovereign entity.'

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/29/world/meast/egypt-protests/?hpt=wo_c1
'Tumultuous efforts to draft a new constitution for Egypt rushed toward a conclusion Thursday as Islamists who dominate the council writing the new document called for a snap vote amid widespread protests against the Muslim Brotherhood-backed president. The move was seen by some critics of President Mohamed Morsy as an effort by the Muslim Brotherhood to hijack the constitution. "This cannot happen," said Ayman Nour, a former presidential hopeful who quit the constitutional assembly this year. "It would be the biggest treason in Egypt's history."'

Let us hope a Syria blackout means it will be a better part of the world.

Re:Meanwhile (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42133989)

Yes, because losing transparency and accountability is always a way to ensure proper behavior from tin-pot dictatorships.

The Syria blackout means that the regime is trying to crack down even more brutally, and doesn't want the people in the line of fire tweeting, instagramming, and facebooking the slaughter.

Don't kid yourself - the ONLY group this benefits is al-Assad and his crew trying to maintain control.

Mark my words: (1)

vikingpower (768921) | about 2 years ago | (#42132363)

This prolly means that the regime ( the Assad one ) is in their last ditches, and fighting the eponymous fight. Soon, some rebel fraction is going to take over in Syria. Some of whom may be heavily bearded men who think that democracy is filth. And so on, and so on...

Re:Mark my words: (1)

Trepidity (597) | about 2 years ago | (#42132391)

The eponymous fight?

Re:Mark my words: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132501)

Or the rebel fraction?

Re:Mark my words: (2)

plover (150551) | about 2 years ago | (#42133497)

Or the Symbionese Libation Army?

Re:Mark my words: (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132531)

The fight other fights are named after. Yes, this is the worst misuse of the word "eponymous" on the internet. Congratulations are in order.

Re:Mark my words: (1)

dugjohnson (920519) | about 2 years ago | (#42132975)

Actually I thought he meant it was "A Sad" fight...which would make eponymous usage correct, although the spelling suspect.
But then I tend to give people the benefit...

Re:Mark my words: (3, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 2 years ago | (#42132779)

Some of whom may be heavily bearded men who think that democracy is filth.

Democracy is filth - people cannot be trusted to run a non-corrupt one (c.f. The Law [learnoutloud.com] ). Of course, Theocracy is not better.

Re:Mark my words: (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42133427)

This has nothing to do with the form of government. It doesn't matter. Democracy, dictatorship, theocracy, hell even anarchy all suffer from the same problem. They are all made up of human beings. Human beings are inherently evil. They excel at dominating over others whenever the opportunity exists to selfishly indulge in their incessent need to have more than the other guy. In my opinion democracy is the least harmful option. It's held in check by a wider group of individuals who don't like to be screwed. It's getting everyone to understand just how much power they have that causes most of the problems with it.

Re:Mark my words: (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42134179)

Which is why man's right to swing their fist ends at another man's nose. Collectivism/Democracy is corrupt because it dictates the use of force against a minority.
True democracy is not compatible with freedom, which is why we do not have a true democracy in the United States. The government is supposed to be there to defend the freedoms of man.

Re:Mark my words: (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42133539)

Deus Ex (and quite similarly, Douglas Adams) has provided the most important insight into politics. Anyone who desires power is unfit to have it.
In Deus Ex, the solution was to have an overkill-grade AI run the menial tasks and act as a form of uninvolved arbiter to a (up to) planet-wide direct democracy (depending on the scope of the disagreement).
In the Hitchhiker's Guide, the solution was to erase the memories of anyone who manages to get elected president of the galaxy.

Re:Mark my words: (3, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | about 2 years ago | (#42133573)

“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”

-Winston Churchill

Re:Mark my words: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132815)

You mean like Afghanistan? I know where this is going!

Re:Mark my words: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42133115)

And your post simply means you're desperately hoping you're right, else all other regimes in the world (including the government under which you currently live) have just been given simple, step-by-step instructions on how to deal with "modern" revolutionaries: Shut down internet access.

No, seriously. If internet access were shut down, would ANY of the publicized mass protests of the past ten years or so in the United States of America have ever happened? And if it were shut down, how exactly would YOU protest that?

Re:Mark my words: (1)

tnk1 (899206) | about 2 years ago | (#42133301)

The problem is, the Internet does provide significant advantages for those countries when it is not actively being used to foment rebellion. What happens is that it is great for the regime right up to the point where the video or the news stories come in that set off the rebellion, and by then it is too late to shut it off to stop the rebellion. That's why China is trying it's best to censor the hell out of the Internet, instead of just shutting it off.

At this point, if it was turned off, and not just knocked out, the connection is just down to prevent bad PR value for an upcoming massacre or something, the rebel fighters themselves are likely no longer relying on the internet to organize.

The blight spreads, Straumli realm has fallen! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132379)

Syria should have never entered the high beyond.

Re:The blight spreads, Straumli realm has fallen! (2)

Dishevel (1105119) | about 2 years ago | (#42133033)

The whole of the Middle East and Most of Africa are in the slow zone.

Re:The blight spreads, Straumli realm has fallen! (2)

tnk1 (899206) | about 2 years ago | (#42133403)

It was encoded into the very Internet. That will teach them to try and mess with artifacts in the Low Transcend that they don't understand.

route around it? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132431)

For those of you who think the internet is some magically self-healing construct immune to accidental or intentional disconnection of nodes and subnetworks, this should serve to show that if you aren't in charge over the physical infrastructure, you are at the mercy of those who are.

Re:route around it? (1)

Spy Handler (822350) | about 2 years ago | (#42132587)

it's okay, the internet can recover from a nuclear attack. As soon as somebody uses a nuke the internet will heal itself.

Re:route around it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42133213)

it's okay, the internet can recover from a nuclear attack. As soon as somebody uses a nuke the internet will heal itself.

There's just a minor difference between "the internet will heal itself" and "the radiation from the fallout will mutate what we know today as the internet into sentience and give it Wolverine-like healing powers as it stalks the land searching for blood to power its circuitry".

Re:route around it? (1)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about 2 years ago | (#42134263)

That already happened once. Remember skynet?

Re:route around it? (4, Insightful)

sjames (1099) | about 2 years ago | (#42132745)

It was supposed to be that, but through a combination of governments that can't seem to keep their fingers off and corporations determined to bill for every penny's worth even if it costs a dollar to do it, the net has been turned into a series of single points of failure.

Re:route around it? (1)

dywolf (2673597) | about 2 years ago | (#42132757)

one or two co-located cables is the weakness. multiple connections in multiple places (ie redundancy) is key to that self-healing effect.

Re:route around it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132849)

For those of you...

Who?

Re:route around it? (2)

Crimey McBiggles (705157) | about 2 years ago | (#42133103)

The Internet is self-healing to the extent that the infrastructure allows. However, Libya only has what, all of three underground cables connecting them to the rest of the world? http://www.submarinecablemap.com/ [submarinecablemap.com] It's pretty easy to disconnect a country from the global Internet if said country lacks the redundancy of multiple global connection points.

Cell (sail) around it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42133337)

Cellular.

Re:Cell (sail) around it? (3, Funny)

plover (150551) | about 2 years ago | (#42133707)

Cellular is just a last mile solution to reach the mobile devices. The actual infrastructure that carries data between cells is primarily a physical network, generally fiber, with some copper to older towers. It's not going to do much to get data in and out of the country if Syrian Telecommunications has shut off the network.

Unless you were just trying to make a joke. In that case, keep trying. Eventually you might.

Re:route around it? (2)

N0Man74 (1620447) | about 2 years ago | (#42133291)

When I hear talk about the U.S. wanting a "kill switch" for the internet (in case of cyber attacks), I think of situations like this.

Maybe the U.S. isn't going to have a revolution anytime soon, people should not allow their governments to cut them off from the rest of the world. If the government wants to protect itself in the event of cyber attacks, then create a kill switch for *essential* government connection to the internet. The private sector and smaller less essential government organizations should manage it themselves.

Re:route around it? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42133293)

Yes. There are only a handful of Tier-1 providers [wikipedia.org] globally. How hard would it be to the USG to have them all shut down if it really wanted to?

Re:route around it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42133929)

This. So many people still think the internet is decentralized, is it hell.
A random person in any country can take the entire web (or any service for that matter) down simply by changing routing information.
It is entirely trust based on mutual agreement that the internet is more useful to have than it isn't.

Although I do believe there was changes made to most root servers recently to attempt to automatically fix errors like this by checking multiple sources and using majority-wins approach to determine the correct path. But a lot of child-servers do not follow this system so open to breaking still.

P2P DNS is a system that would be more like the system ARPANET tries to do. But even then, that is still DNS rather than IP connections.
If anything that routes IP information dies, you're screwed regardless.
Better get out those wireless mesh network tools and/or ham radio.

Re:route around it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42134461)

They're pretty much one-offs. If someone is blatantly abusing their ability to change the routing tables, they will get their permissions removed.

It comes down to trust and that's a human factor, not a system issue.

The only thing I can't think of is that a router actually validate that an advertised route works.

eg. Router A tells Router B that A has a faster route to block x.x.x.x which is owned by Google. Then before Router B even starts using that route, it first sends an encrypted message down the advertised route and expects a response back that is signed by Google.

Re:route around it? (1)

jovius (974690) | about 2 years ago | (#42134275)

But the internet does route around Syria.

No internet. (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132491)

SYRIAN 1: We're heading out Californy way, I heard they gots a whole mess of internet!

SYRIAN 2: I might just click on a popup, just for the heck of it!

which reminds me (4, Funny)

HPHatecraft (2748003) | about 2 years ago | (#42132693)

of my favorite (most hated) phrase: "The [I]nternet is down(1!1!)".

I usually think to myself "yes, the entire Internet. Gone. The bastards finally did it".

This was not to aid the Syrian government. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132699)

The entire western narrative on Syria has been one guy in Britain [blogspot.com] . This is a US-backed coup led by Islamic jihadists in the same fashion that we hired Al Qaeda to fight the Russians in Afghanistan for us. Not once has any western-backed media outlet given any credibility to Syria. If Syria wanted the Internet and communications gone, they would have done so a long time ago.

Re:This was not to aid the Syrian government. (1, Troll)

tnk1 (899206) | about 2 years ago | (#42133485)

Do you prefer to wear your tin-foil hat as a helmet, or as a tricorn with a jaunty feather in the band?

Dig out those Dialup Modems (1)

na1led (1030470) | about 2 years ago | (#42132721)

If you can get a working land line, there is always Dialup Providers you could call. Better than nothing I suppose, especially if its an emergency.

Re:Dig out those Dialup Modems (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42133041)

Unless you call an out-of-country provider, exactly where do you think you're going to get an upstream connection from? The bandwidth fairy?

Re:Dig out those Dialup Modems (1)

na1led (1030470) | about 2 years ago | (#42133499)

No, you call an "out-of-country provider". That was the point I was trying to make.

Re:Dig out those Dialup Modems (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42134349)

And how hard do you think is it to switch of international calls?

Re:Dig out those Dialup Modems (2)

mrops (927562) | about 2 years ago | (#42134373)

I'm no HAM operator, logic goes to say that some smart HAM operator in the 21st century should have figured out ethernet over HAM. too lazy to google.

Re:Dig out those Dialup Modems (3, Informative)

DarkOx (621550) | about 2 years ago | (#42134507)

Packet radio is plenty common and widely used (well for Amateur Radio definitions of widely). Usually you do SLIP not ethernet, as that would be lots of extra overhead pushing ether frames back and forth for no good reason.

Been a long time coming... (4, Interesting)

Mephistophocles (930357) | about 2 years ago | (#42132749)

Syrian government has been threatening cutoff [cnn.com] for a while. My money says this is no accident.

Re:Been a long time coming... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42134085)

Says some guy in Dubai who is a Syrian analyst. But if it's on CNN, it must be credible and true!

DAMMIT! (3, Funny)

AuralityKev (1356747) | about 2 years ago | (#42132765)

I CAN'T GET TO LOLGOATS!

Re:DAMMIT! (5, Informative)

dywolf (2673597) | about 2 years ago | (#42132857)

funny enough, that's a real site.
http://lolgoats.net/ [lolgoats.net]

Easy fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132795)

just reboot the router. that always works.

Sattelite (1)

neorush (1103917) | about 2 years ago | (#42132831)

I'm surprised areas like this don't have satellite coverage. I live in the middle of nowhere in New York and my satellite connection pops out in Colorado. We have a backup generator and all so when folks 15 miles away have no internet (they can all get cable/DSL) or power we don't even notice. I would think that if there was satellites in line of sight someone should hook themselves up to this and pop out in Italy or something. As long as you can generate power there is no problem staying online. I'm sure of course this comes down to economics.

Re:Sattelite (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132995)

Sirian people will have access to satellite internet, i think the point is the regular syrian IP addresses are off line.

Re:Sattelite (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42133015)

The satellite connection is not related to Syrian internet. Your connection might be located in Syria, but has nothing to do with the local networks within the country.

Re:Sattelite (1)

Zocalo (252965) | about 2 years ago | (#42133029)

Syria almost certainly does have Internet access still available by satellite service providers - satellite phones do work there after all. As with your example though, the service provider's IP space and the area being provided services need not be in the same locale. Chances are anyone still accessing the Internet in Syria will be geolocated to wherever the downlink station is - most probably elsewhere in the Middle East or Europe.

Internet Grid? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132859)

WTF is the "Internet Grid"?

Is somebody playing buzzword bingo here? Some marketing tool-bag perhaps that just throws any of the "new whizbang" terms together that he can get his hands on perhaps?

Syria has the internet? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132889)

Id have been surprised if those people had indoor plumbling, books or even soap. But the internet? Who took over that country and pulled them out of the mud?

Oh well, all of the 200 syrians in that country must be upset they cant check out their goat sex websites.

Re:Syria has the internet? (0)

nurb432 (527695) | about 2 years ago | (#42132963)

Who is to say everyone had it? I could be that just that some of the elite did.

They do have government and some level of commerce, and a few wealthy families ( tied into both most likely ). I'm sure those segments did have internet, and running water..

Re:Syria has the internet? (4, Informative)

tnk1 (899206) | about 2 years ago | (#42133571)

Syria isn't Afghanistan. They may not be Europe or the US, but they do have urban centers with modern amenities. Those amenities simply don't penetrate very far outside those areas.

Seriously (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132897)

This is very disturbing.

USA = totalitarian dictatorship (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42132987)

can you fagots LOL some more in the comments about it? Please?

Just give it a moment. (1)

arthurpaliden (939626) | about 2 years ago | (#42133053)

Directional WiFi into Lebanon, Jordan or Turkey.

Oh Noes! (4, Funny)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 2 years ago | (#42133197)

Gosh folks, this is really Syria's.

Re:Oh Noes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42134065)

Indeed. It is assad day for all involved.

Re:Oh Noes! (1)

dotancohen (1015143) | about 2 years ago | (#42134391)

Indeed. It is assad day for all involved.

The IT guys in charge of Syrian connectivity were overheard saying:
"We didn't want to, damascus do it!"

obligatory xkcd comic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42133419)

http://xkcd.com/705/

status (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42133633)

With apologies to Churchill is this the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end the Assad regime?

I love it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42133739)

When an entire country ragequits the Interweb.

Noooo, my daily snackbars! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42133755)

The real question is, will liveleak see a shortage of snackbar videos?

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