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The Promo Bay Blocked By UK ISPs

Unknown Lamer posted about 2 years ago | from the culture-police dept.

Censorship 132

hypnosec writes "The Pirate Bay's artist promotion platform (the Promo Bay), despite being perfectly legal, is being blocked by several UK Internet service providers including BT, and Virgin Media. The Promo Bay was launched this week as a promotion platform for content creators like filmmakers and musicians enabling them to showcase their talent and work to thousands of people across the web. Even though the idea is novel, The Promo Bay has somehow found itself on a block list alongside the Pirate Bay."

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1st post (-1, Redundant)

karji (114631) | about 2 years ago | (#42162045)

1st post

Re:1st post (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162097)

1st post

The 1990s called and are looking for original thoughts.

Re:1st post (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162151)

Sorry, BT has blocked their call.

If you're affected (-1)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about 2 years ago | (#42162047)

If you're affected, cancel your contract effective immediately. But check it first: they're probably in breach of contract or guilty of false advertising for not actually providing internat if they arbitrarily block things.

Re:If you're affected (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162077)

lol. you're naive. Looks like you never actually read an ISP contract. The only thing guaranteed in it is that you pay the ISP. Everything else is at the discretion of the ISP.

Re:If you're affected (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162113)

AC is correct.

Read the fine print - and then ask a GOOD lawyer what they think about it.

Because what the contract 'does' depends on who pays for lawyers to decide that - in court.

ISP's especially NOW will/can/do just about whatever they want to non-corporate clientele.

Re:If you're affected (1)

Tastecicles (1153671) | about 2 years ago | (#42164767)

in the UK, internet is internet. Filtered content is not internet, it's subscription channeling.If you pay for internet YOU GET INTERNET or the provider is in breach of contract. End of story. Ive had this out with Virgin Media, when they capped my broadband (I was on an uncapped tariff). I told them, they give me what I paid for already or I cancel the contract right there and then, and fuck their early termination clause. They pulled the same shit two months later and I shitcanned them.

Re:If you're affected (5, Informative)

_KiTA_ (241027) | about 2 years ago | (#42162267)

lol. you're naive. Looks like you never actually read an ISP contract. The only thing guaranteed in it is that you pay the ISP. Everything else is at the discretion of the ISP.

Only in the US. The UK and rest of the EU have sane consumer protection laws.

Re:If you're affected (2)

jimicus (737525) | about 2 years ago | (#42162351)

This doesn't mean you can simply call them up and say "I think you're breaching my contract; I'm cancelling effective immediately. Kthxbye." and they'll let you out of it just like that. You can expect to be told in no uncertain terms you're in contract and if you cease payment, you'll be hounded thoroughly. Only way you'll get away from that hounding is likely to be a court appearance.

This isn't necessarily the end of the world - we have a perfectly serviceable small claims system designed specifically for such things and the whole point of it is that lawyers are kept out of it as far as possible. But there's no guarantee you'll win - in a case like this, there's a few factors I can think of at stake:

  1. The major ISPs are already under court order to block the Pirate Bay. Your contract with them almost certainly states something along the lines of "this contract is not void if we have to block a part of our service because a judge tells us to" (and even if it didn't, nobody - neither BT nor their customer - can expect them to provide a service that they've been explicitly banned from providing).
  2. Your ISP will no doubt say "This was a simple administrative error. Our customer here made no effort to establish what the problem was, nor did they give us an opportunity to resolve it. In actual fact, by the time his next payment was due we'd already resolved it".

Syntax error (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162389)

Did you mean "KTHXBAI" ?

Re:If you're affected (2)

nonicknameavailable (1495435) | about 2 years ago | (#42162475)

The Promo Bay isn't the same as Pirate Bay so they should unblock it

Re:If you're affected (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162619)

What are you talking about? I've used many ISPs and I've never had to commit to a term contract. In fact with every one them I can at any time call them and unsubscribe from their service effective immediately and they'll only charge me up to that day on a pro-rated basis. One can enter in a long-term agreement with them in exchange for a free laptop or a package deal, but that's optional and mostly foolish IMO.

Also every civilized country has laws about how often, what times of day, and in what manner creditors can contact you. Creditors simply cannot "hound" you, at least not legally. And you can always say "I dispute these charges, refuse to pay, don't contact me anymore," and the creditor's only recourse after that is to file a suit.

Re:If you're affected (1)

Aighearach (97333) | about 2 years ago | (#42164085)

In Oregon you can almost always sever an ongoing contract via a letter from an attorney, at least if you have returned all the equipment they own. That is the trick, you return the equipment unilaterally, refuse not to leave it in their office, and then the lawyer can issue the statement that because you are no longer receiving anything of value from the other party, and don't have anything of theirs on loan, there is not a basis for the existence of a contract.

The only time that won't work is something like a car lease where they've invested all of the off-the-lot depreciation in you. The ISP hasn't done anything of the sort.

Re:If you're affected (2)

History's Coming To (1059484) | about 2 years ago | (#42164163)

Which is why you don't cancel the contract - you ask if you can, and when you can't you just keep finding mysterious faults which cost them more than £25/month or whatever in engineers fees. They soon get the message and you're free of contract.

Re:If you're affected (2)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about 2 years ago | (#42162781)

In the US, if a service provider makes a material change to their promised services, you are allowed out of it with no strings until you make another payment. In the case of providers who take automatic payments, I've yet to see one without wording that says something like you have 30 days from the time of the change to terminate services. I do know for certain that all four of the major cellular carriers have such wording (Verizon gives you 60 days after you tell them that you have an issue with the change and they can't or won't address your concerns.)

Re:If you're affected (2)

Aighearach (97333) | about 2 years ago | (#42164047)

Many US States have sane consumer protection laws, too.

We also have mostly the same Common Law protections as the UK which can cover basic contract issues.

This has been the plan all along. (5, Insightful)

hubang (692671) | about 2 years ago | (#42162049)

If you were confused by the Napster saga, the big media companies only care about squashing competition. Napster helped their bottom line. ANd taking it down hurt their bottom line. It wasn't about infringement, anymore than the radio is about infringement.

It's about control.

If this succeeds, they're unnecessary. They are the gate keepers. An artist needs them. But they don't need artists. They can take any dancer or model who can't sing and turn them into a pop star.

Re:This has been the plan all along. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162163)

Yup, you can make them stars, but you can't make them artists.

Re:This has been the plan all along. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162241)

He just said that.

Re:This has been the plan all along. (0)

brit74 (831798) | about 2 years ago | (#42164109)

Big companies care about profits, not controlling you (as much as your conspiratorial mind might like you to believe). You say that Napster helped music companies. Oh really? Napster was released midway through 1999, so most people didn't have Napster in 1999, but it was building momentum. Do you know the peak year for music sales? Well, it was going up through the 1990s, and peaked in 1999. It's been a steady downhill ever since. The average consumer in 2009 in the US spent 30% as much money buying music as they did in 1999. It's a bloodbath in the music industry. If piracy helped the music industries, we'd be seeing record-breaking sales numbers, not the lowest sales numbers in 50 years.
http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4d5ea2acccd1d54e7c030000/music-industry.jpg [businessinsider.com]

Re:This has been the plan all along. (1)

epSos-de (2741969) | about 2 years ago | (#42164495)

BT and Virgin Media are actually in a legal mess now. They can be forced to pay legal fines up to a billion, if they continue blocking competitors. You do not need a business model, if the competition is as stupid as Microsoft was in the 90's. EU governments are constantly looking for big companies to pay their wages. The European governments are in debt, so they find the most wealthy legal offenders and let them pay the fines. It is happening in Spain already. The Chinese mafia in there was kept loose until the Government decided to extract some money. Now the money is extracted and the top bosses are free again. You should have seen the pale faces on TV after they lost the hard washed monis.

hopefully... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162057)

...the southern american states secede, their shitty racist/religious bullshit goes with them, we get into another civil war with them, we win, and we never have to deal with retards who say HERP DURP NO GAYS NO ON MY RELIGIOUS LAND.........OR YOURS!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WAIT WHY AM I LAUGHING IM SERIOUS.

yeah those retards.

Re:hopefully... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162403)

Umm...no offense, but we win another civil war, take them back, and history repeats itself. The US government is too stupid, southern states or not. And it's not just the southern states btw.

Re:hopefully... (1)

tibman (623933) | about 2 years ago | (#42163119)

hahah, you aren't even thinking this through. The US is more than north & south now. Think in more than one dimension.

hum..... (1)

fred911 (83970) | about 2 years ago | (#42162071)

http://thepromobay.co.uk/ [thepromobay.co.uk] http://promobay.org/ - The URL in the OP. Looks like 4 (featured) artists. No torrent for anything. Weird.

Re:hum.....If thats correct.... (1)

djsmiley (752149) | about 2 years ago | (#42162091)

It works perfectly fine here on virgin media?

Re:hum.....If thats correct.... (1)

Gordonjcp (186804) | about 2 years ago | (#42162103)

Works on Orange (EE, now), too, although thepiratebay.org is blocked

Re:hum.....If thats correct.... (2)

Jaknet (944488) | about 2 years ago | (#42162433)

Now working on TalkTalk though earlier today it came up as blocked

Re:hum.....If thats correct.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42163859)

Ditto. Virgin Media (Ex. Telwest/Blueyonder). No problems at all.

Re:hum..... (1)

thoughtlover (83833) | about 2 years ago | (#42162117)

I'm not sure how they're implementing the block, but there's direct IP if they're resolving domains for their customers - 108.59.2.74

Re:hum..... (3, Informative)

MrWeelson (948337) | about 2 years ago | (#42162197)

There are two different websites.

http://thepromobay.co.uk/ [thepromobay.co.uk] looks to be a proxy for TPB as others have said and isn't blocked.
http://thepromobay.org/ [thepromobay.org] is blocked

Re:hum..... (5, Informative)

MrWeelson (948337) | about 2 years ago | (#42162209)

Curses.
The second URL should of course be http://promobay.org/ [promobay.org]

Re:hum..... (2)

hawkinspeter (831501) | about 2 years ago | (#42162949)

I'm on Virgin Media and the first isn't blocked, despite it being a proxy for Pirate Bay, whereas the second is blocked. Looks like they've blocked the wrong one.

Re:hum..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42164003)

Neither is blocked for me (nor is just thepiratebay.se) on Comcast

Re:hum..... (1)

brain159 (113897) | about 2 years ago | (#42164367)

ThePromoBay.co.uk is fine but PromoBay.org is blocking on Be (O2).

The former (.co.uk) is a proxy - see the small print "Powered by Unblock The Pirate Bay v1" in the footer.

abuse of power (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162073)

If that isn't a government abusing its power and control over its peoples then I don't know what is. Here are artists who are perfectly fine with sharing their creations for free and it's being blocked.

Re:abuse of power (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162547)

Who says it's a government? Likely it's the UK quango Internet Watch Foundation [iwf.org.uk] , maintainers of dodgy lists-of-badness to do with, oh, album covers depicting nude children on wikipedia, and that sort of thing.

Re:abuse of power (1)

Cederic (9623) | about 2 years ago | (#42163063)

Unlikely, the IWF aren't responsible for blocking The Pirate Bay either.

Given the different IP addresses for Pirate vs Promo bays, it does look as dodgy as shit. I may invest a few minutes of my time tomorrow to ask them which court order has mandated a block.

Your ISP is monitoring what websites you visit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162087)

What's new ...

Re:Your ISP is monitoring what websites you visit (2)

aliquis (678370) | about 2 years ago | (#42162265)

The blocking?

I hope it _is_ a mistake but ... (5, Insightful)

troll -1 (956834) | about 2 years ago | (#42162099)

It seems like anything that even remotely challenges today's established copyright dogma is the modern day equivalent of blasphemy that deserves absolute censorship so the old fashioned doctrine of intellectual property can be allowed to continue, unchallenged by more futuristic ideas.

It's a proxy. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162115)

Uhh... http://thepromobay.co.uk/?loadurl=/browse/200/0/7 It's essentially a TPB proxy. No surprise here.

Re:It's a proxy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162231)

Have they mixed up http://promobay.org/ [promobay.org] and http://thepromobay.co.uk/ [thepromobay.co.uk] ?

Re:It's a proxy. (2)

Terrasque (796014) | about 2 years ago | (#42163951)

Fancy. We're talking about http://promobay.org/ [promobay.org] - a completely different site.

Conspiracy to Censor (5, Interesting)

Blue Stone (582566) | about 2 years ago | (#42162131)

What exactly is the rationale in blocking the Promo Bay? It's not and never has been the Pirate Bay. Different servers. Different owners. No complaints of copyright infringement. No cases, lawsuits or petitions to the court.

What is the process that has gone on behind the scenes to block it accross almost all of the UK's ISPs? Where is the public oversight of this process? Who met, talked and how was the decision arrived at?

Where is the scrutiny over decisions to censor the internet in a (supposedly) free and democratic country?

Re:Conspiracy to Censor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162257)

guilty by association

Re:Conspiracy to Censor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162361)

Or minimisation of risk. The ISPs probably just calculate that they have more to lose from a foolish judge deciding that they weren't implementing the blocking order properly than from irate customers wanting to reach the site.

Re:Conspiracy to Censor (1)

GumphMaster (772693) | about 2 years ago | (#42163321)

Guess it will be eBay next.... sounds the same, must be pirates

Re:Conspiracy to Censor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162413)

Maybe they just blocked everything matching the wildcard "*.*bay*.*"
So I guess Michael Bay is SOL too - as is Summer Bay and Bay Of Pigs.

Remember boys and girls: "Bay" is a dirty, dirty, nasty, filthy word.

Re:Conspiracy to Censor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162987)

Maybe they just blocked everything matching the wildcard "*.*bay*.*"

We can only hope they include eBay in that wildcard.... Ever since ole JD took over after
Meg Whitman left, its been going down the drain..

Re:Conspiracy to Censor (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 2 years ago | (#42162431)

Where is the scrutiny over decisions to censor the internet in a (supposedly) free and democratic country?

With the voters, but they foolishly believe all the propaganda that they have no choice and have delegated their authority to the wrong people.

Re:Conspiracy to Censor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162485)

The moronic voters are too caught up in TERRISM and denying gays the right to marry to care about the things that are actually affecting their lives every day.

Re:Conspiracy to Censor (1)

anotherzeb (837807) | about 2 years ago | (#42162575)

I'm successfully seeing http://thepromobay.co.uk/ [thepromobay.co.uk] on Talk Talk and can see it has a Pirate Bay search at the bottom - maybe that has something to do with it. Looks like it's proxying (German) Pirate Bay for browsing as well

Re:Conspiracy to Censor (0)

jez9999 (618189) | about 2 years ago | (#42163379)

Confusingly, there seem to be two sites out there called "The Promo Bay". This one works: http://thepromobay.co.uk/ [thepromobay.co.uk] [thepromobay.co.uk]

This one, for me, is blocked: http://promobay.org/ [promobay.org] [promobay.org]

The latter is the one we're talking about, I think.

Re:Conspiracy to Censor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162843)

Ah, I see, you were under the impression you lived in a free country, where laws and process protected the smallfolk from the power and abuse of the rich.

Re:Conspiracy to Censor (1)

brit74 (831798) | about 2 years ago | (#42164175)

To be fair, the whole reason the PromoBay was created was to divide-and-conquer the artists. You think the PirateBay is actually on the side of the creators? Nonsense. They're doing the equivalent of a company trying to bust up a union - it's a divide-and-conquer strategy. You might think that it's the PirateBay vs the Big, Bad Music/Movie Companies, but it's actually the PirateBay vs Digital-Media creators. The big, bad companies are just one of the victims - the creators will also be the victims of the PirateBay.

Re:Conspiracy to Censor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42164181)

Really? Artists marketing their wares w/o the traditional middle man and you wonder what the rationale is? It's money of course. Same as always. Now the rationale may not be helping you out at all, and it may even be on slightly shaky legal ground. But with enough money and lobbyists behind it that won't matter.

No it's not (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162191)

I can access it just fine using BT
AC

The Puppy Bay (5, Insightful)

ohnocitizen (1951674) | about 2 years ago | (#42162213)

UK ISPs would block any effort by the Pirate Bay, even if they launched the Puppy Bay. Its about the source, not the content. The Promo Bay is essentially a PR tool for the Pirate Bay, and blocking that ability is as strategically important to Big Content (and their allies) as blocking actual sharing.

This sets a rather curious precedent, I wonder how much further they might take it?

Re:The Puppy Bay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162449)

TPB is blocked by a court order. ISPs have no choice in the matter and several did so only under protest.

Re:The Puppy Bay (2)

amorsen (7485) | about 2 years ago | (#42162873)

BT blocks TPB using the CleanFeed system. The CleanFeed system was designed to block child porn, and to prevent criticism based on "slippery slope" arguments, BT promised that they would shut down the system rather than allow it to be used for other purposes than blocking child porn.

Yet here we are, BT's hands were tied by the court, and those who yelled "slippery slope" were proven right.

It doesn't help that there is no general right to free speech in the UK except what the Universal Declaration of Human RIghts says. If UK law conflicts with the UDHR, the only recourse is to go to the European Court of Human Rights.

Re:The Puppy Bay (5, Insightful)

Jessified (1150003) | about 2 years ago | (#42162599)

Aw so now the UK censors speech based on the speaker, rather than the speech.

Re:The Puppy Bay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162819)

The UK does not have Freedom of Speech like the US does.

Re:The Puppy Bay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42163001)

Yes is does

Re:The Puppy Bay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42163257)

When they say "UK ISPs" they mean "two or three big ISPs that will do anything other big businesses tell them to do". These are not the ISPs you or I would choose, they're the ones with the big TV advert with movies downloading in seconds and then it says in small print "Service may not be used to download movies. Not intended to represent actual results". Or the people are all happy and smiling and everything's working but actually the DSL router they ship tends to blow up about once a day so really people would be shouting and hitting it.

If you choose a decent little ISP you don't get TPB filtered, nor indeed is anything else filtered.

Re:The Puppy Bay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162855)

As George RR Martin said through Tirrian Lannister, censorship only shows that you fear what they have to say.

Re:The Puppy Bay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162901)

The ISPs were forced to block TPB, they didn't choose to.

Can anyone here confirm they have actually blocked this new site? It's working fine for me on Virgin and the other comments claim it's working on the other ISPs too.

Re:The Puppy Bay (0)

jez9999 (618189) | about 2 years ago | (#42163279)

Confusingly, there seem to be two sites out there called "The Promo Bay". This one works: http://thepromobay.co.uk/ [thepromobay.co.uk]

This one, for me, is blocked: http://promobay.org/ [promobay.org]

Promotion of arts and sciences? (1)

roman_mir (125474) | about 2 years ago | (#42162247)

So I don't know how it is worded in United Kingdom's law, but in USA law government protectionism of copyright is worded as:

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.

From TFA:

If the blockade continues, it wonâ(TM)t be too farfetched to assume that UK based artists might not be able to benefit from the opportunity that The Promo Bay provides. ISPs in the UK are blocking the new site with a similar message as is displayed for The Pirate Bay. The block on the promotion platform seems to be a mistake and probably will be resolved it is believed.

I don't know if UK sees its role as that of 'promoting Progress of Science and useful Arts' but whatever it is they are doing, they clearly HURTING promotion of useful Arts in this case.

Because they're not charging for entertainment (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162251)

Is probably what it is. If it can't be taxed then it's illegal.

Probably because they can't read (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162259)

Probably because they can't read. It looks like it says "the porno bay".

No Problem Here (1)

folderol (1965326) | about 2 years ago | (#42162275)

But then, I'm using one of the small (semi) independent ISPs.

I get this message (1)

Highland Deck Box (2786087) | about 2 years ago | (#42162321)

The page you're looking for has been blocked. We're complying with a court order that means access to this website has to be blocked to protect against copyright infringement. So basically it's a court order. An ISP issued with a court order can't really do anything except obey it, so blame the courts not the ISPs. I'm on Be Broadband which is a subsidiary of 02.

Re:I get this message (1)

cyclohazard (677922) | about 2 years ago | (#42162373)

Does it say which court order? Other comments indicate that they might just have interpreted the court order regarding the Pirate Bay a bit, um, widely.

Re:I get this message (1)

mrbester (200927) | about 2 years ago | (#42162423)

Quite. If they can put up a page saying a site is blocked by court order they can include a link to the public domain information of that court order.

Otherwise it can be used as a "don't blame us" get out clause for blocking anything just because they feel like it / fucked up.

I'm with Virgin and it works for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162401)

Works here (in Glasgow) with Virgin.

Nope. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162443)

As a BT customer, I can access the Promo Bay. It is not (currently) being blocked.

Not blocked on Virgin... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162559)

... I'm in London and getting through to the site fine.

motives (5, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 2 years ago | (#42162605)

This pretty much proves that the MPAA/RIAA is not so much about "piracy" as about maintaining control over an industry.

There no longer is a need for big record labels, and very soon there will no longer be a need for the big Hollywood conglomerates. If you look at many of the biggest blockbuster movies, once you get past the first screen for "Dreamworks" or "Universal" or "Fox" you find that the actual work (including the funding) was done independently for the most part.

For now, the big labels and studios are like aging crime bosses that still get their cut from everything that happens in their respective industries. But their day is coming to an end.

The only question now is whether the most successful indie labels and film production houses are going to try to use the same obsolete business model of consolidation or if they're sufficiently enlightened.

Either way, The Pirate Bay (and others) presents the best reason why they need to change how they do business.

Same thing with games: This week, Ubisoft released Far Cry 3 in Europe (it doesn't come out until Dec 4 in the US). Their "uplay" DRM server immediately crashed, making the game unplayable for all the people who legally bought the game, even for the single-player campaign. Meanwhile, those who downloaded the RELOADED release from Pirate Bay had no problem playing their game, whether they were in the EU or US. And still they don't get the hint. Instead of realizing that their DRM was nothing but punishment for their paying customers, Ubisoft probably came away thinking, "We need more better DRM!@!".

Re:motives (1, Insightful)

Nyder (754090) | about 2 years ago | (#42162693)

...>

Same thing with games: This week, Ubisoft released Far Cry 3 in Europe (it doesn't come out until Dec 4 in the US). Their "uplay" DRM server immediately crashed, making the game unplayable for all the people who legally bought the game, even for the single-player campaign. Meanwhile, those who downloaded the RELOADED release from Pirate Bay had no problem playing their game, whether they were in the EU or US. And still they don't get the hint. Instead of realizing that their DRM was nothing but punishment for their paying customers, Ubisoft probably came away thinking, "We need more better DRM!@!".

I've been playing Farcry 3 here in the U.S. for a week now. DRM has failed, it doesn't keep it out of the hands of anyone but paying customers.

Re:motives (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42163493)

I've been playing Farcry 3 here in the U.S. for a week now. DRM has failed, it doesn't keep it out of the hands of anyone but paying customers.

DRM has also failed Ubisoft in another way: They lost at least 1 customer, me, due to DRM.

I'm on BT and I can see it. (3, Informative)

Duds (100634) | about 2 years ago | (#42162665)

So if they're blocking it might be pure DNS since I use OpenDNS.

OK for me on Virgin (1, Informative)

dhaen (892570) | about 2 years ago | (#42162737)

I can see it and it has a link to a Pirate Bay proxy. Seems like the story is bullshit.

Re:OK for me on Virgin (2)

dhaen (892570) | about 2 years ago | (#42162765)

But I'm using Googles DNS 8.8.8.8 - who wouldn't?

Re:OK for me on Virgin (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162851)

Working fine for me on VIrgin with their default DNS. Either they didn't do much research or the site was just down and they declared it was being blocked.

Re:OK for me on Virgin (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42163751)

I've got Virgin, it _is_ blocked for me at 22:32 GMT. I run my own DNS resolver (unbound) [unbound.net]

The piratebay block is ip level not dns level, this appears to be the same. No idea why it works for you guys and not me?

Any way time to add it to foxyproxy list to go via tor.

Re:OK for me on Virgin (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42163795)

(replying to my self - ac for life)

You guys sure you have the right url?

promobay.org [promobay.org] is blocked, but if I google it the top result is thepromobay.co.uk [thepromobay.co.uk] which is unblocked. No idea if these are the same site or run by the same ppl.

I can see it (1)

Pop69 (700500) | about 2 years ago | (#42162751)

It's not blocked on Plusnet, a BT subsiduary

Re:I can see it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42162863)

Not blocked for me on Virgin either. Either the article is BS or the site was down and they decided it was being blocked.

Re:I can see it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42163925)

PlusNet isn't "a BT subsidiary".They're an independent company who white-label BT OpenReach DSL (and white-label Gradwell VoIP).

works for me (1)

dave69 (2786111) | about 2 years ago | (#42162941)

I'm on Virgin media in London, UK and I can see the promo site just fine

Not blocked on Virgin Media for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42163037)

Come on, basic checking please...

Without Mandated neutrality (3, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | about 2 years ago | (#42163713)

Any ISP can block any traffic for any reason.. We best get used to it, it will only get worse.

Blocked on O2 (2)

pointyhat (2649443) | about 2 years ago | (#42163739)

It's blocked on O2.

My contract is up on 19th January. I will vote with my feet. I'll switch to Andrews & Arnold who publicly state that they don't censor, filter and track. It's a whopping £4 a month more.

Same IP (2)

advantis (622471) | about 2 years ago | (#42164049)

I can't believe I haven't read this one yet:

$ host promobay.org
promobay.org has address 62.239.4.146
$ host thepiratebay.org
thepiratebay.org has address 62.239.4.146

BT gives me "Error - site blocked" for both TPB and PromoBay.org which means they've hijacked the IP address itself. What I will have to see next is if anyone goes and tell the court that BT is doing more blocking than they've been ordered. They've been ordered to block TBP, but not anything else that may be hosted at the same IP address.

My conclusion: TPB is playing one of their games. Popcorn may be recommended for this one if the ball gets rolling.

Re:Same IP (5, Informative)

advantis (622471) | about 2 years ago | (#42164133)

Replying to myself because I just got the brilliant idea to see if BT aren't actually hijacking DNS itself, making me look like an idiot. Well... they succeeded:

$ dig +trace thepiratebay.org
#snip#
thepiratebay.org. 3600 IN A 194.71.107.50

$ dig +trace promobay.org
#snip#
promobay.org. 3600 IN A 108.59.2.74

Promobay.org works once I add its IP to /etc/hosts.

Why are BT hijacking the DNS for promobay.org? I have no idea, but a judge might be interested.

UK is U$A little b1tch. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42164229)

/slap /slap

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