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Iran Suspends Programmer's Death Sentence

Unknown Lamer posted about a year and a half ago | from the don't-lose-your-head dept.

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jamaicaplain writes "Reuters reports that 'Iran has suspended the death sentence for a computer programmer convicted on charges of running a pornographic website after he "repented for his actions," his lawyer was quoted as saying on Sunday. Saeed Malekpour, an Iranian citizen and Canadian resident, was arrested in 2008 while visiting relatives in Iran, according to Amnesty International. Although Iranian authorities accused him of running a pornography site, Amnesty has said the charges appear to stem from a software program created by Malekpour that was used without his knowledge to post pornographic images.'" It's not clear if he'll ever be released, however.

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193 comments

Fundamental lack of intelligence (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167047)

This is like sentencing a truck designer to death because trucks are used to transport alcohol.

But in fundamentalist societies like Iran and some of the southern US states, intelligence is not a factor in getting into power. So these people don't see the logical discontinuity between the person writing software (or designing trucks) and the actual other person using the software (or the truck) to do something illegal under their laws. /anonymous because of troll baiting glib southern US state comment

Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence (4, Insightful)

somersault (912633) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167071)

Intelligence doesn't really seem to be a factor for getting into power anywhere, so I'm not quite sure why you singled out any one area of the world in particular.

It seems to me that charisma is much more important for getting ahead in politics and business.

hmmm pr0n (1)

lord_rob the only on (859100) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167095)

Where are the pictures ? :-)

Re:hmmm pr0n (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167207)

Where are the pictures ? :-)

You should have a sad face emoticon. This is the dude behind goatse.cx. Now do you understand why they gave him the death sentence?

Re:hmmm pr0n (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167909)

Goatse was bad, but the fan sites that followed were much worse.

Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence (4, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167105)

It seems to me that charisma is much more important for getting ahead in politics and business.

Technically, it's sexual attractiveness. Charisma is just a generic term for someone that is sexually attractive as well as knowing how to use it to their advantage. And intelligence is a factor for getting into power... just not by itself. Intelligence alone has no proven evolutionary advantage (that is, the chance of passing your genes on to the next generation). I know many people who have intelligence but lack attractive features, and they are amongst the most miserable people I know. It allows them to be aware of exactly how the world works, in every detail, and to also be forced to be constantly aware of how small they are within it. The Total Perspective Vortex isn't just a plot device for intelligent people: for them, they've already sat in the chair.

Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence (5, Insightful)

bickerdyke (670000) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167147)

Technically, it's sexual attractiveness. Charisma is just a generic term for someone that is sexually attractive as well as knowing how to use it to their advantage.

I think that's a bit short sighted. I think most people would agree that e.g. the Dalei Lama or Queen Elizabeth II are charismatic leaders, but would not rate them anywhere near "attractive"

But it's not completly unrelated.

Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167243)

Not to mention orientation. GP definition would mean that a little under half of the population would be immune to the charisma of any given politician based on gender.

Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167487)

QEII? Charismatic!? That's a pretty low bar you've set on your definition of charismatic!

Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence (1, Insightful)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167659)

That's because the Western media has reduced "attractive" to anorexic blondes with silicon implants and sunbed-worshipping steroid abusers.

Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167719)

QE2, a leader?
I don't think so!

Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence (1)

ewanm89 (1052822) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167791)

QEII wasn't exactly unattractive in her younger days. Remember she is 86 now. But also her power is heredity anyway.

That doesn't make any sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167235)

Regardless of your political views, I think huge majority of people could agree that if they watched some of Obama's speeches from 2008 elections, he was extremely charismatic speaker. That's completely out of proportion to how sexually attractive that 47-years old career politician was. Actually, most people would probably agree that he appeared a lot more charismatic in 2008 than in 2012 though there is very little apparent reason why either his intelligence or his sexual attractiveness would have decreased that significantly. Similarly, I know a lot of people who I consider both attractive and intelligent but would never call charismatic.

Charisma is your force of personality, which does certainly have a positive effect on your sexual attractiveness but doesn't depend on it.

Re:That doesn't make any sense (3, Interesting)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167385)

The military has something called "command presence", which I'm certain could be related to charisma. Like leadership, some people are just born with it, some people learn it, while most people never get close enough to it to even begin to understand it.

Re:That doesn't make any sense (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167735)

Nail head, meet hammer.

Re:That doesn't make any sense (1)

khallow (566160) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167497)

That's completely out of proportion to how sexually attractive that 47-years old career politician was

I have to disagree. Speechwise, he didn't have that much going for him except he wasn't Dubya and had an eager audience. The real effectiveness was in the images and slogans.

If he weren't decent eye candy (say he looked like McCain instead), the imagery just wouldn't have sold, I think. We like our messiahs pretty.

Re:That doesn't make any sense (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167751)

I'd say the 'not Dubya' is pretty correct. The 'eye candy' and 'messiahs' part are the usualy conservative trolling though. People generally did want away from anything associated with Bush, including his party. As such, dems could have run the crypt keeper (Hillary?) and still won. Fortunately for the Republicans, she's 2016's candidate.

Re:That doesn't make any sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42168301)

I doubt it. As secretary of state she's pretty much been marginalized as a worker bee. Her opportunity to run for president passed when she was upstaged by Obama. If she did run she'd be admitting second string to him (something I don't think her ego will allow her to do).

Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167561)

Tailbiter. You can look like the hunchback of Notre Dame, but if you're rich & powerful people will come up with ways in which you're sexy like no other, all on their own, no prompting necessary. And as for the "clever people": not quite clever enough for the insight that they actually know nothing at all, apparently.

Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167131)

You don't need to pass an IQ test to be in the Senate

--Mark Pryor, Senator from Arkansas.

Just putting this out there, the quote is from Bill Maher's Religulous.

Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167275)

Intelligence doesn't really seem to be a factor for getting into power anywhere, so I'm not quite sure why you singled out any one area of the world in particular.

It seems to me that charisma is much more important for getting ahead in politics and business.

Strangely enough probably one place where it does is China's party-appointed leaders

Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167651)

Actually, this is one of the good things about the government in China. They have a technocracy, many positions of power are held by engineers.

Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167783)

>Intelligence doesn't really seem to be a factor for getting into power anywhere.

Simple experiment, see a small scale struggle for power: a fair amount of PR and favour exchanges is the norm there. Yet, indeed, politicians behave like not too bright children playing mafia bosses. The apparent paradox where higher circles allow more stupidity than smaller ones is solved by the hypothesis that stupid people are not wielding real power. Which also explain why new men in charge do not swiftly undo previous choices by the former administration that do not benefit them nor the electors.

tldr: you find no stupid sockpuppets where real power is held.

Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence (1)

jkiller (1030766) | about a year and a half ago | (#42168119)

It seems to me that charisma is much more important for getting ahead in politics and business.

100% Agreed. http://imgur.com/PzbPO [imgur.com]

Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42168185)

Actually in that part of the world, it's more of the 'I've got an army of religion-inspired soldiers with guns, and they'll put bullets into you and your family if you don't elect me' style of politics.

Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence (1)

somersault (912633) | about a year and a half ago | (#42168331)

Religion is another area where being charismatic makes you more likely to be a leader. Talks given by charismatic people are much more interesting and inspiring. The guy in charge of the guys with guns had better be likeable and commanding, otherwise one of the guys with guns will take over.

Developer? Are you serious?! (2, Insightful)

unixguy98 (2786657) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167181)

He used MovableTypes to run a child pornograhy website. So, if he's a programmer, every user of Yahoo.com can be called a programmer, because of using a computer program!

Re:Developer? Are you serious?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167225)

None of the linked articles mentioned anything about this. They only mentioned that he wrote photo uploading software that someone else used to upload porn, and that Iran somehow found out about it. Maybe the software was called "UploadKidPictarsToPedoSites Pro" or something?

Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence (4, Insightful)

khallow (566160) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167193)

But in fundamentalist societies like Iran and some of the southern US states

Merely having fundamentalists (who aren't at all equivalent) in your society isn't the same as having a fundamentalist society. Having someone in the neighborhood who occasionally advocates prayer in school or creationism isn't the same as official organs of the state executing people for sponsoring pornography and rigidly holding to blatantly religious law.

Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167367)

"But in fundamentalist societies like Iran and some of the southern US states, intelligence is not a factor in getting into power."

Perhaps you can name some countries where intelligence is an important factor for gaining and holding power?

Re:Fundamental lack of intelligence (1)

Monoman (8745) | about a year and a half ago | (#42168339)

So these people don't see the logical discontinuity ...

I think some of them do see it but choose to abuse their power and spread fear when the opportunity suits them.

Will SCOTUS suspend a Death Sentence? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167061)

Islamic porn (2, Informative)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167085)

It's worth noting that in this particular country, porn can consist of people showing a little bit of nose. Women are pulled off the streets all the time for this kind of thing and beaten. Foreign women are well-advised to be aware of local customs prior to travel, as it can result in beatings, arrest, or being forcibly stripped and your clothing replaced with something more "decent" according to their laws.

Re:Islamic porn (4, Insightful)

TapeCutter (624760) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167121)

Umm no, you're describing of our friends in Saudi Arabia, not our enemies in Iran.

Re:Islamic porn (4, Interesting)

Dave Emami (237460) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167461)

Umm no, you're describing of our friends in Saudi Arabia, not our enemies in Iran.

No, he's being quite accurate in the "pulled off the streets" part, as I believe he's referring to Iran's basiji militias, or at least the subset of them who go out on "morality" patrols to make sure that women are "properly" covered, aren't wearing makeup, aren't walking with unrelated men, etc. You're right in that the standards they enforce are a little less strict than those in Saudi Arabia (just a headscarf being required, rather than a full-body chador), but the basiji are much more likely than their Saudi counterparts (the mutaween) to use violence on the spot. It can be something merely humiliating, like shaving the woman's head if her scarf does not completely cover her hair, or a beating, all the way up to things like pulling out her fingernails with pliers (if she has on nail polish) or throwing acid in her face. I'm certainly not going to praise the mutaween or the Saudi religious laws, but at least there you're more likely to wind up in front of a judge and be able to plead your case.

As far as porn goes, "showing a little bit of nose" isn't porn in Iran, but they definitely do execute people for making porn (either acting in it or being part of the production process).

Incidentally, the only reason for the headscarves vs. chador type of differences are due to the Iranian leadership having to work at stuffing the secularization genie back into the bottle, whereas in Saudi Arabia it never got out -- Iran had an ongoing women's movement since early in the 20th century. It's not through any lack of desire on the mullah's part to have it that way. Even the strongest dictatorship can only roll things back so fast as long as people remember the freedoms that are being suppressed.

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Re:Islamic porn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167123)

And now you know what we think of Americans with their Nipple-Gate hysteria or getting upset about mixed-gender saunas were everybody is naked.

Re:Islamic porn (1)

spongman (182339) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167205)

Religious nut-jobs are nut-jobs. News at 11. The difference is that the American nut-jobs don't stone you to death for shit some guy wrote in a book.

Re:Islamic porn (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167247)

Yet.

Of course, back a few hundred years ago they just burnt you at the stake.

Witch !!!!

Re:Islamic porn (1)

Psyborgue (699890) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167303)

Actually, that was the British, technically. The US was not independent at that time.

Re:Islamic porn (3, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167349)

In the defense of Britain, that was the subset of the British who were such theocratic wackjobs that they sailed across the Atlantic in a glorified tub and set up shop in a ghastly wilderness hellhole just so that they could enjoy the pleasure of being on the enjoyable side of religious persecution...

Re:Islamic porn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42168337)

That's one way of looking at it I suppose. Apparently not all whack jobs are religious.

Re:Islamic porn (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167287)

Religious nut-jobs are nut-jobs. News at 11. The difference is that the American nut-jobs don't stone you to death for shit some guy wrote in a book.

You're right, the US religious nut-jobs shoot you instead. See abortion clinics for just one of many examples.
The US does love its guns, while the middle-east takes a more traditional approach. The reasoning behind it and the end result is still the same.

Re:Islamic porn (4, Informative)

Psyborgue (699890) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167297)

Actually, Iran does not require the full veil (Niqab). They do, however, require the hair be covered.

Simple lesson (5, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167307)

Don't visit any Muslim country, EVER! For that matter, never ever visit any country where the local laws and your history and lifestyle conflict. Don't drink in an alcohol free country. Not even if it is offered.

Don't smuggle or use Drugs in the US of A not even if some states now allow it. As a foreigner, no local senator is going to burn his fingers on you to get you free from the federal government.

Don't take "teen" porn into a nation that has higher age limits for porn. Don't take manga/anime into such countries either, the laws might not be enforced always but you don't want to be the exception to the rule.

Yes it sucks but a foreign nation doesn't owe you anything. Right now in Saudi Arabia, a young foreign girl is in jail for life NOT because the COURT wants her to be in jail but because under Sharia law, until the parents of the baby she supervised when it died (at no fault of her) forgive her, she remains in jail. The police, medical examiners and court have said she is not to blame but Sharia law rules otherwise and if you go to such a backward place, you agree to be bound by it. So. DON'T.

And it ain't even hard stuff, do you know that on the whole it is not a good idea to "argue" with an American cop. In Holland it is perfectly normal. In the US? NO! And you might get away with it in a tourist trap but in a southern state?

99% of the time, nothing will happen and then it does and you get caned for dropping chewing gum on the sidewalk.

It is one of the things you got to consider really carefully when considering a job in another country, does that country legal system and culture conflict with yours? Both the US and Holland for instance got stoners but Dutch stoners don't risk jail with every joint. You might be going to work in an industry where drug use is considered normal but will that cop searching your car feel the same? Hell, even ordinary smokers better consider the smoking laws in a foreign country.

If you are one of those people who needs a beer at the end of the day, is a Muslim controlled country really worth it? If you want to wash your car on sundays better stay out of bible belt areas.

See this video: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xh4tqg_top-gear-take-on-the-us-pt-2-close-call-crossing-alabama_auto [dailymotion.com]

Are you gay, a liberal or have a brain? Stay out of the South, you are not welcome. Don't think New York, Philidelpia and LA are all of the US, some parts are as dangerous as the most backwards Muslim nations and worse. Because at least most Muslim nations are ruled by dictators who usually don't want trouble (Arab Spring so far has only made the Arab nations less liberal and less secular) and whose police (Turkey's military used to heavy handedly enforce its secular system as set up by Ata Turk, the democractic system so far is shifting the country to be a pure Muslim state instead) might not like your liberal arse but have strict orders not to allow stuff to happen unless someone in power needs an incident. No such protection exists in the deep South.

For that matter, any southern republican thinking about leaving for Australia because a black man is in the white house and you just hate that socialist Obamacare? Ooops, Australia is far more to the left then any part of the USA. For that matter, all western countries are. A redneck won't be at home anywhere else. Better realize that Philadelphia is redneck heaven before taking a job in Europe. Or you won't last long.

Be wary when travelling, you are entering an other countries legal system and culture and you don't want to be an example to other travellers.

Re:Simple lesson (5, Informative)

HungryHobo (1314109) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167407)

side note from a friend who almost got shot in the US: in some EU countries it's normal to get out of the car when you're pulled over.

In the US they'll shoot you.
Stay in the car, hands where they can see them, don't move a muscle or they'll kill you.

Re:Simple lesson (5, Funny)

Inda (580031) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167775)

In the UK, if you've done nothing wrong, roll the window down 20mm, turn up your radio, smile with the biggest show of teeth possible. The copper will ask you to get out your car if it's raining, snowing, or the wind chill feels under -20c. Procede to walk around the copper's car kicking the tyres like an expert mechanic.

Always ask why you've been pulled over. Expect the answer to be "Just a routine check, sir". Follow that up with "Why can't you find a proper job?", "Haven't you got any real criminals to find?", or "Were you bullied as a child?". Expect 20 questions about coins in your wallet, silver foil in the footwell, and the reason you're talking so much. Spell your name when asked, even if it's a common name such as "Smith". Smoke'em if you've got 'em - Coppers love the smell. If the copper asks if it's OK for them to smoke, tell them no, as you've just given up, and you hate the smell. If they fake recognition by means of the question "Don't I know you?", reply with "I think I know your sister".

If you've done something wrong, get out the car. Keep the copper talking for as long a possible but don't talk about your crime. Try and confuse him (or her) by using long words such as "elaborate" and "concoction". "I don't know" is a perfectly valid answer.

Re:Simple lesson (1)

SecurityGuy (217807) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167947)

No, they won't. They'll yell at you in a very unpleasant way and tell you to get the f*ck back in the car. I did this as a teen when I didn't know any better intending just to be cooperative. I was harshly, but merely verbally, educated that if you want to be cooperative, stay in the car and put your hands where they can be seen.

I've been pulled over dozens of times, all for minor speeding offenses and nearly all in my youth. Rarely have I even had the cop mad at me. Never have I felt like I was in danger.

Re:Simple lesson (2)

i (8254) | about a year and a half ago | (#42168365)

I can imagine that you felt like that.

But people that routinely points loaded and unsecured guns at people - and you, will sometimes proceed in the automatic "drill" and fire.

Re:Simple lesson (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167597)

"you get caned for dropping chewing gum on the sidewalk"

So its you who does that! If a few harsh prison terms get you and your like to put spent gum in paper and in a bin when you've finish would be worth the time of the police and the courts just to send the right message and instill a little civic responsibility.

Re:Simple lesson (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167985)

Just love how this turned into a "If you're a Republican, you're a racist, a Bible thumper and you're too dumb to know about other cultures and their politics" rant.
 
And yet SmallFurryCreature will probably wonder why Republicans don't "co-operate" with the current culture of the left. Gee, I wonder why people who are constantly being called racist and ignorant don't really work well with their accusers...

does arguing work? (1)

nten (709128) | about a year and a half ago | (#42168231)

Does arguing with cops work in the Netherlands? I didn't see any the one time I was there. I got the impression they weren't all that necessary, speeding was enforced by cameras and I suspect pickpocketing and bike theft are just kind of accepted as they would be too hard to prevent. Here in TX the police are nervous at every stop as they might really get shot. Staying in the car and moving slowly, speaking politely though not obsequeously, and just generally not being a jerk, results in a verabal warning more often than not. Anything other than that will result in a ticket for whatever it was you were doing to get noticed. As a side note, if you tell the officer there is a loaded firearm in your car and where it is, they are said to calm down and be more generous. The same with a handgun permit, if you show it (and you must), and explain where you have the firearm or that you do not have one with you, they seem to be more likely to give a warning as well. I suspect this is because a person who is telling them where their weapons are is deemed less likely to kill them.

Re:Islamic porn (4, Informative)

Any Web Loco (555458) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167309)

This is complete and utter rubbish. I've been to Iran a number of times, just two weeks ago returning from a two month trip there (with my non-Iranian wife, her second trip to Iran), and I can categorically say that you are utterly wrong. Don't get me wrong - Iran's treatment of women is appalling, but you are way off base here - nothing like what you describe happens. As TapeCutter points out, you're probably thinking about our good friends, who flew planes into the WTC, the Saudis.

Re:Islamic porn (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42168103)

This is complete and utter rubbish. I've been to Iran a number of times, just two weeks ago returning from a two month trip there (with my non-Iranian wife, her second trip to Iran), and I can categorically say that you are utterly wrong. Don't get me wrong - Iran's treatment of women is appalling, but you are way off base here - nothing like what you describe happens. As TapeCutter points out, you're probably thinking about our good friends, who flew planes into the WTC, the Saudis.

The plural of anecdote, is not data.

Repented? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167117)

Did they use the Manning treatment to get him to confess^wrepent?

Not a programmer (3, Insightful)

unixguy98 (2786657) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167137)

He's not a programmer, and he was not involved in any dating site. He had a site called Avizoon (means SLUT in english). Have you heard of a "dating website" with such name? He was involved in child pornography, abusing private images and films stoled from people's computer using several hired men, and now his lawyer claims he's a programmer!
Let's look at what he calims Malekpour has written: A Perl/PHP program called: Movable Type [wikipedia.org] . As far as I know an American company with the name of Six Apart [movabletype.org] is the developer, and not a stupid porn distributor called Malekpour. See this screenshot [uploadkon.ir] from his website.

Re:Not a programmer (4, Insightful)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167479)

I see that this post hos been modded "interesting". It might be interesting, and it might be true, but at the moment, it is completely baseless.

IOW, [citation needed]

Re:Not a programmer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167983)

Why should I believe you, as opposed to AI?

Re:Not a programmer (1)

gtall (79522) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167997)

Hmmmm....your comment history is a bit short, your slashdot number is a bit high, and you are making quite specific claims about someone.

Care to let us in on the evidence? Evidence from Iran doesn't count, their authorities being on the darker side of human nature. We'll be looking for evidence vetted by respectable third parties. Now cough up or you are spouting BS.

Islamic extremist values (4, Insightful)

HeadlessNotAHorseman (823040) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167143)

I once watched a video clip of an Iranian girl getting stoned to death by a crowd of people. At one point during the ordeal her dress started to ride up her legs. One of the attackers was very quick to cover up her legs again.
Extremely horrific violence: Ok.
Semi-nudity: Not ok.

Facts, not movies (3, Insightful)

unixguy98 (2786657) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167165)

I once watched a video clip of an American helicopter killing a crowd of people, because one of them had a camera in his hand. And it was not a clip from a movie, just like what you've watched. It was a clip from recordings of the Apache helicopter, that was later named Collateeral Murder [collateralmurder.com] by Julian Assange.
So, let's talk about facts, not movies.

Not hard (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167191)

Just google "Iranian girl sentenced" and you'll have plenty of facts. No need to make things up about Iran, they do plenty of things that make you go "Say what?" already.

For sure not so hard (1)

unixguy98 (2786657) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167239)

Just google "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and you'll have plenty of what you call "facts"! But, do you accept every conspiracy theory and propaganda you find by googling?

Re:For sure not so hard (1)

Tagged_84 (1144281) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167447)

I did a quick search and wonder how you would explain Atefah Sahaaleh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atefah_Sahaaleh [wikipedia.org] ?

To be honest I'm not entirely sure what you're belief status actually is, care to clarify facts not movies?

Re:For sure not so hard (4, Informative)

Tagged_84 (1144281) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167455)

And I did google both, your google "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" came up with the first website about it being a hoax. "Iranian girl sentenced" never came up with any hoaxes or myths.

Re:For sure not so hard (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167657)

And I did google both, your google "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" came up with the first website about it being a hoax. "Iranian girl sentenced" never came up with any hoaxes or myths.

Read again?

Re:For sure not so hard (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42168031)

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=117_1269394282&safe_mode=off [liveleak.com]

I think it has a bit more credibility than what you've mentioned.

Re:Facts, not movies (2)

HeadlessNotAHorseman (823040) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167249)

It was footage from a mobile phone. Not a staged movie. The girl died when they slammed a cinderblock onto her head.

Re:Facts, not movies (1)

Any Web Loco (555458) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167311)

Not sure why this is labelled as flamebait when the parent's not - they make the same point.

Re:Facts, not movies (1)

AbRASiON (589899) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167581)

To be fair, if you enhance the video you'll see the camera he's using a dSLR with all the settings set to 'auto' so many would say justice was served that day!

Re:Islamic extremist values (5, Insightful)

gaspyy (514539) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167175)

You know what's funny? I notice the same attitude in US (I'm from Europe).

The American public is OK with movies showing all and any kind of violence - from "simple" headshots to horrific torture and mutilation. But when the same movie is showing some skin, they have to mention how disgusted they are. I just don't get it.

Re:Islamic extremist values (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167265)

It's because the US was founded by religious extremists.

Think of them as the Taliban of their day.

They have rewritten history to make it appear that their forefathers were fleeing "religious persecution".....but it was persecution in the same way that the modern day Taliban are "persecuted". I suppose the Europeans thought it a good opportunity to get rid of the crazies through the 17th century.

I mean, you had a bunch of nut jobs who even the Calvinists in the UK thought were too extreme ! That show's you how insane they actually were.

That streak of religious insanity persists to this day in their persecution complex.

At least they don't wear big buckles on their shoes anymore :)

Re:Islamic extremist values (1)

Psyborgue (699890) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167331)

So there was no persecution in Europe? No violence between Catholics and the various sects of protestants?

Re:Islamic extremist values (1)

jabuzz (182671) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167483)

Yes there was, but the people leaving the Great Britain at least to setup the colonies where not Roman Catholics; the only group that is actually persecuted at the time and even to this day.

Re:Islamic extremist values (1)

TFAFalcon (1839122) | about a year and a half ago | (#42168065)

Sure there was. But those that left for America were the guys the rest of the zealots fount to be too extreme.

Kind of like if the Taliban shunned a group of clerics for taking the Koran too literally, and those guys moved to Mars to worship in peace.

Re:Islamic extremist values (4, Interesting)

Psyborgue (699890) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167321)

If you actually lived in the US you might notice that 90% of Americans could give a shit less. There is a small, vocal, minority that will raise a stink over a stray tittay, but that's about it. Also, a graphic headshot will almost always earn a movie an R rating. Then again, there are also times where a an exposed breast will not earn an R rating (e.g. Titanic).

Re:Islamic extremist values (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167389)

In fact, in Europe we have these kind of prudes as well. Women can't even discreetly breastfeed in public without people making a big fuss about it.

Re:Islamic extremist values (1)

ciderbrew (1860166) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167495)

Finding breastfeed offensive is ludicrous.

Re:Islamic extremist values (1)

arth1 (260657) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167679)

Finding breastfeed offensive is ludicrous.

Actually, it's scary. That someone even think of sexual connotations tells me that they're perverts and creepy as hell. And it's really them we should lock up in a hospital, not hide the breastfeeding mothers or other people exposing bodyparts from people of their ilk.

If their parents, teachers and clergy had let them see nudity and have sex (with themselves or other kids), perhaps they had grown up with less frightening views on nudity and sex.

Re:Islamic extremist values (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167815)

Seeing a naked female breast and having sexual thoughts about the matter makes you a pervert now? The bar has gotten very low.

Re:Islamic extremist values (1)

hattig (47930) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167893)

Being offended at a female breast being used for what it exists to do pretty much makes the "offendee" a pervert, because they're the one associating breastfeeding with sex, and then getting offended at it because of that. It's a perverse association that damages those who would breastfeed but don't because of these perverts who feel they can complain instead of NOT LOOKING.

Re:Islamic extremist values (1)

arth1 (260657) | about a year and a half ago | (#42168167)

Seeing a naked female breast and having sexual thoughts about the matter makes you a pervert now? The bar has gotten very low.

Seeing lips makes you have sexual thoughts? Do you hide your face behind a veil? Or want women to, so you don't get impure thoughts while they're stuffing their face?

Yes, if you do have sexual thoughts about seeing a breast being used for feeding a child, you are a pervert. There's no way around that.

IANAP, but my guess is that some people struggle with repressed sexuality, forcing it to find inappropriate outlets. The steam build-up will not be denied, but will find a way out.

Re:Islamic extremist values (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167625)

If you replaced the word "Europe" with "the UK", your comment would be 100% accurate. Public breastfeeding is no problem at all here in Scandinavia, and in many other civilised countries.

Re:Islamic extremist values (1)

hattig (47930) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167901)

There are very few issues with public breastfeeding in the UK, at least if an attempt is made to be discrete.

Anyone complaining about it would be looked down upon by other people in the vicinity. Anyone getting offended by breastfeeding is a pervert - they can't control where their eyes are looking and thus they complain instead of sorting out their own sexual issues.

Re:Islamic extremist values (1)

renoX (11677) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167661)

Uh? Where do you live in Europe?
In France, I've never heard issues about public breastfeeding.

Re:Islamic extremist values (1)

Psyborgue (699890) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167673)

Yeah, but you ignore them. The only reason why our religious lunatics are given any attention is because we have a two party system and the republican party needs to pander to them in order to win an election. If the Republican party thought they could gain more votes from the center by throwing the jesus freaks under the bus it would happen in a second... and it just might. The inverse could easily happen in any number of European states if the right thought they could gain more from the far right than they would lose from the center.

Re:Islamic extremist values (1)

chaos_technique (1191999) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167795)

And which Europe is this, pray tell?

Re:Islamic extremist values (1)

Hentes (2461350) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167493)

You don't get the difference between showing fake violence and actually torturing someone to death?

Morality judgments are reflective (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167705)

You don't get the difference between showing fake violence and actually torturing someone to death?

They are totally distinct types of events, but there is no distinction between the morality of what is depicted in one and the morality of what actually occurs in the other.

A moral value judgement is made by putting yourself in the shoes of the party affected and assessing whether you would like that to happen to you, and it's no different whether that is party is real or fictional. Morality stems from the effect that the real action would have on the real you.

Re:Islamic extremist values (1)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167683)

The difference is, mentioning how disgusted someone is of something is freedom of speech. They don't arrest you for it, and they sure as shit don't stone you for it. It isn't banned... And the government doesn't have laws against it... (sure some laws used to exist... but they used to exist in Europe too.)

Being okay with fake violence is not some "sick obsession"... I never understood why that is always mentioned as if it's barbaric and backwards. The funny part is, there are plenty of violent movies with nudity too...

Re:Islamic extremist values (1)

Trepidity (597) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167187)

Were you searching for "stoning porn uncovered leg" on YouTube or something?

Re:Islamic extremist values (3, Insightful)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167533)

Extremely horrific violence: Ok. Semi-nudity: Not ok.

Please, explain why I can buy the "Saw" series of movies in the local supermarket next to Spongebob boxed sets, but in order to see a boob I would have to go to an 'adult shop'.

Re:Islamic extremist values (3, Insightful)

Stickerboy (61554) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167723)

This is +4 Insightful? I could buy plenty of movies with boobs showing at the supermarket. "R" rating includes pretty much everything except prolonged full frontal nudity and/or hardcore sex. In some cases, enough people get off that here in the United States wenominate it for an Oscar [imdb.com] .

Heck, if boobage is all you're looking for, just turn on some cable TV [imdb.com] . Don't act like you have to travel to the naughty side of town for that.

Re:Islamic extremist values (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167809)

Because coercive power is naturally aligned to benefit the enforcer (government). In the US, the aggregate of coercive power has simply found it more profitable to demonize sexual matters.

Re:Islamic extremist values (1)

misexistentialist (1537887) | about a year and a half ago | (#42168277)

So you object that they didn't also sexually humiliate her? More efficient executions, like Nazi gas showers or Chinese execution vans, are horrifying in a different way.

This is typical Muzzy reaction (-1, Troll)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167267)

Kill, kill kill, rape murder. Just like Muhammad the pedo-false-prophet

Re:This is typical Muzzy reaction (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167505)

I'm not condoning anything here, but your comment makes it seem like you didn't even read the headline. The story is that he *won't* get the death sentence, but your comment is that this is "typical". Given your atrocious bigoted comment history when it comes to anything related to Islam, I'm not really surprised by your lack of critical thinking skills, but this seems poor even by your low standards.

Re:This is typical Muzzy reaction (0)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167919)

I'm not condoning anything here, but your comment makes it seem like you didn't even read the headline. The story is that he *won't* get the death sentence, but your comment is that this is "typical". Given your atrocious bigoted comment history when it comes to anything related to Islam, I'm not really surprised by your lack of critical thinking skills, but this seems poor even by your low standards.

On the contrary I am referring to the fact that Muzzies think it acceptable to kill someone who writes software that is used on a porn site. Unlike you I don't think the fact that he was "let off" the death sentence after "repenting" of writing the program either good or civilised. If he had maintained that he had no control over what the program was used for rather than repenting he would probably be executed.

Stay out of Iran, end of story. (-1)

couchslug (175151) | about a year and a half ago | (#42167739)

It's quite simple. Iran is a bad place, do not visit it unless you are a dedicated revolutionary willing to risk all to overthrow the mullocracy.

If you have relatives there, help them get out, but do not go in. If they aren't interested in getting out, cut them loose.

If Iranians wanted different government, they'd show courage and do as the Syrian revolutionaries are doing right now.

At this point in history, the majority of physically courageous revolutionaries tend to be Islamists of one sort or another.

If you want freedom (or your preferred oppressive society!), KILL YOUR OPPRESSORS until you run out of oppressors or they give up.

Oh... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42167813)

I thought they were finally going to judge Drupal developers... better luck next time...

Sentence Suspended (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42168173)

Instead, they will just cut off his right hand and left foot.

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