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MPAA: the Impact of Megaupload's Shutdown Was 'Massive'

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the not-biased-at-all dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) has declared that the Megaupload shutdown earlier this year has been a great success. In a filing to the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative, the group representing major movie studios says the file hosting and sharing industry has been massively disrupted. Yet the MPAA says there is still work to be done, identifying sites that make available to downloaders 'unauthorized copies of high-quality, recently-released content and in some cases, coordinate the actual upload and download of that content.' Here's the list of sites, including where they are hosted: Extratorrent (Ukraine), IsoHunt (Canada), Kickass Torrents (Canada), Rutracker (Russia), The Pirate Bay (Sweden), Torrentz (Canada), and Kankan (China)."

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Doesn't help (3, Insightful)

bonch (38532) | about 2 years ago | (#42197985)

I don't take issue with the shutdown since Megaupload was being used as a gigantic, unregulated store for pirated content, and that does take money away from content creators. Instead, I go out of my way to purchase independent content to support artists outside of the mainstream system, and any mainstream content I do want gets purchased digitally, which ultimately contributes to a lessening of relevance for the traditional distributors represented by the MPAA. Home film releases come out out sooner and sooner after their theater runs, and streaming services like Netflix are so popular on living room devices that Microsoft claims video streaming surpasses game-playing in terms of hours of usage on the Xbox 360. Whatever traditional structure the MPAA is protecting has already been supplanted by legal mediums.

In other words, Megaupload isn't necessary--the fate of the traditional movie industry has already been sealed by companies who embraced the internet.

Re:Doesn't help (5, Interesting)

rtb61 (674572) | about 2 years ago | (#42198551)

It is pretty clear it seems to anyone but you that the evidence so far is that Megaupload WAS NOT being used as a gigantic, unregulated store for pirated content, which is why the case is completely falling over. Sure the shutdown was massive but massive in a bad for the US in-Justice system and, US Foreign Relations. It is blatantly clear both were manipulated via corporate interests through the Vice Presidents office and at the instructions of psychopathic corporate executives a company was destroyed so they could be made a public example. In the great fishing expedition it was expected that evidence would be uncovered to justify the destruction as prior to the destruction the evidence was not there. However us the case unfolds with evidence lacking, the only real investigation that needs to be conducted is one of corruption of the US legal system by US corporations.

Re:Doesn't help (0, Troll)

tqk (413719) | about 2 years ago | (#42198849)

It is blatantly clear both were manipulated via corporate interests through the Vice Presidents office and at the instructions of psychopathic corporate executives a company was destroyed so they could be made a public example. In the great fishing expedition it was expected that evidence would be uncovered to justify the destruction as prior to the destruction the evidence was not there. However us the case unfolds with evidence lacking, the only real investigation that needs to be conducted is one of corruption of the US legal system by US corporations.

The Biden Effect?

Re:Doesn't help (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198911)

Err... what? The shutdown of Megaupload, especially in the way it was handled, was a massive disaster in terms of legitimacy, due process, and justice, which is why the case is now completely falling over, as you say.

However, to suggest that Megaupload was not used by many as a gigantic, mostly unregulated store for pirated content is utterly ridiculous. Megavideo links of a vast array of television shows and movies were present in essentially every streaming links website, now mostly replaced with sites like videobb and vidbux. Yahoo Answers still has quite a few questions from naive users asking about how to find movies and tv shows on Megavideo, along with numerous answers. Searching for warez and pirated books from prior years will come up with quite a few megaupload links.

Megaupload certainly had legitimate uses, but piracy was a major, major use. That may not have been a legitimate reason to shut it down (and certainly wasn't justification for the way it was done), but I don't think anyone can argue that Megavideo, for example, didn't have much, much more pirated content than, say, Youtube or Vimeo.

News Flash! (3, Funny)

flyneye (84093) | about 2 years ago | (#42199151)

In the news today, the MPAA still can't find its ass, despite utilizing both arms and a road map, in a lit room. Film at 11.

Re:Doesn't help (4, Insightful)

hazah (807503) | about 2 years ago | (#42199293)

Perhaps what constitues as 'piracy' is 'legitemate use' to begin with? How can *so many* people be labled civil criminals? How can it be that the majority of the world is in the wrong? How can anyone even begin to justify jail for songs and music? Songs and music.. the very thing that separates us from the rest of the species around us. Stupid, stupid, stupid. It is incredible that we are even on this path at all, but then again there's that war on drugs, that thing people call 'voting'. I'm not so much amaized that it was suggested, no, I'm far more amaized that it was surrendered. And I drown in this ocean of gullibility without recourse save for death. Great!

Re:Doesn't help (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42199665)

Perhaps what constitues as 'piracy' is 'legitemate use' to begin with? How can *so many* people be labled civil criminals? How can it be that the majority of the world is in the wrong? How can anyone even begin to justify jail for songs and music? Songs and music.. the very thing that separates us from the rest of the species around us. Stupid, stupid, stupid. It is incredible that we are even on this path at all, but then again there's that war on drugs, that thing people call 'voting'. I'm not so much amaized that it was suggested, no, I'm far more amaized that it was surrendered. And I drown in this ocean of gullibility without recourse save for death. Great!

How can the theft of an electronic copy of a CD warrant jail time? In pretty much the same way as walking out of any brick and mortar with a CD in your hand and not paying for it. You face criminal charges when you do it IRL, yet you want a slap on the wrist when you do it online. And yeah, I know we've beat this dead horse, but the analogy with regards to music still stands. Strip away all the other bullshit about who's going broke and artists not getting paid, and it boils down to common theft. Which it is. Argue it all you want about fair rights and other shit, but I promise you won't win against an army of **AA lawyers.

As far as your ridiculous claim that it is songs and music that separate us from the rest of the species around us, well yes, in your case that is true. One has to be a fucking idiot in order to realize that it just might be the ability to reason that truly separates us. Some are clearly closer to baboons than others.

Re:Doesn't help (3, Insightful)

faedle (114018) | about 2 years ago | (#42199831)

No, it's technically not the exact same thing. When you walk out of a store with the CD, you are depriving the STORE of their personal property (the CD). There actually is a difference, both morally and ethically: "piracy" does not deprive anyone of their property, only the revenue from the sale.

I'm not disagreeing that both should be crimes. But the financial and civil penalties of the latter (copyright infringement) are actually HIGHER than the former. And that's not right, either.

Re:Doesn't help (5, Interesting)

icebike (68054) | about 2 years ago | (#42199361)

Megaupload certainly had legitimate uses, but piracy was a major, major use. That may not have been a legitimate reason to shut it down (and certainly wasn't justification for the way it was done), but I don't think anyone can argue that Megavideo, for example, didn't have much, much more pirated content than, say, Youtube or Vimeo.

Well, by all accounts the shutdown actually HURT box office sales [techdirt.com] . It was also reported here on Slashdot [slashdot.org] .

Maybe it was just nerd rage, refusing to go to the movies ever again!

Re:Doesn't help (5, Insightful)

Tagged_84 (1144281) | about 2 years ago | (#42198811)

...pirated content, and that does take money away from content creators.

Please provide sources showing loss of revenue from piracy. PS. I'm an actual content creator, indie game developer, so if I was bias...

Re:Doesn't help (4, Funny)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | about 2 years ago | (#42198835)

Some people only wish that copyright infringement had the ability to actually take money away from content creators! Why, if it did, they could download the content over and over until the MPAA, RIAA, and all those other guys died off!

Re:Doesn't help (5, Insightful)

bakes (87194) | about 2 years ago | (#42198915)

You forget that the "MPAA, RIAA, and all those other guys" are NOT the content creators.

Re:Doesn't help (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42199057)

Content racketeers.

Re:Doesn't help (2)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | about 2 years ago | (#42199101)

That's true, but if it took money away from them, they'd die off all the same.

Re:Doesn't help (4, Interesting)

flyneye (84093) | about 2 years ago | (#42199237)

I really don't understand what the hoopla about content is. I stream in Netflix and have a basement full of VHS tapes. I have yet to figure out why any of it was worth saving or why I bother to keep watching. Most television shows amount to " I Love Lucy", "Dragnet" or "The Price is Right" with tweaks. Movies are outright regurgitation of previous works without exception. Who really is getting paid for this? The originators are long dead and the flunkies who worked on these projects are already paid. The studios who made them are already paid, over and over, through advertising , sales (suckers who bother to purchase hard copies that will gather dust just like all my VHS I mentioned earlier). Maybe this is just about lawyers creating a stream of revenue for themselves. Maybe if we sprinkle "Roach-Pruf" around, this will go away.
Silly asses!

Re:Doesn't help (5, Interesting)

hawguy (1600213) | about 2 years ago | (#42199495)

I really don't understand what the hoopla about content is. I stream in Netflix and have a basement full of VHS tapes. I have yet to figure out why any of it was worth saving or why I bother to keep watching. Most television shows amount to " I Love Lucy", "Dragnet" or "The Price is Right" with tweaks. Movies are outright regurgitation of previous works without exception. Who really is getting paid for this? The originators are long dead and the flunkies who worked on these projects are already paid. The studios who made them are already paid, over and over, through advertising , sales (suckers who bother to purchase hard copies that will gather dust just like all my VHS I mentioned earlier). Maybe this is just about lawyers creating a stream of revenue for themselves. Maybe if we sprinkle "Roach-Pruf" around, this will go away.
Silly asses!

I actually like rewatching old movies.

I'm mid way through copying my 200 DVD's to my home fileserver so it's even easier to watch them. So far, I've run across two that I couldn't copy due to copy protection on the DVD (Wall-E, and some other Disney movie, I think it was Cars). I think there's some Windows software to bypass the protection, but it didn't take long to find a copy online that I could download.

I wonder if my cable company ratted me out for bittorrenting the two movies? Maybe the movie industry will sue me for downloading movies that I already paid for.

I dropped my Netflix disks-by-mail plan and started buying used DVD's from Amazon -- they are pretty cheap, I usually pay $5 or $6 including shipping, so I can buy 3 movies/month for about the same as I was paying for the Netflix subscription.

Megaupload probably wasn't doing much piracy (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198951)

Megaupload was being used as a gigantic, unregulated store for pirated content

Before the takedown, we all thought that. Me too. After the takedown, the US and NZ governments' behaviors indicate that once they saw actual evidence, it didn't point that way. They no longer think Dotcom is a crook and apparently either intend to acquit him or get the charges dismissed.

Re:Doesn't help (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about 2 years ago | (#42199171)

So the media industry talked congress and the justice department into not only violating our constitutional rights but the rights of people in other countries and you think they are going to let a little thing like "market forces" stop them? You can't even buy a TV with a video output anymore! They're illegal!

Yeah right... (5, Funny)

staltz (2782655) | about 2 years ago | (#42198013)

It was a successful operation in the same way as arresting the whole world prevents crime.

Re:Yeah right... (5, Insightful)

pixelpusher220 (529617) | about 2 years ago | (#42198131)

Also in the same way that Return of the Jedi didn't actually make a profit [slashfilm.com] according to the LucasFilms...

Re:Yeah right... (5, Insightful)

Dyinobal (1427207) | about 2 years ago | (#42198277)

Hollywood accounting would make Al Capone roll in his grave.

Re:Yeah right... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198405)

Hollywood accounting would make Al Capone roll in his grave.

yeah back then gangsters were white and sophisticated and usually didn't screw with you if you didnt screw with them.

ruthless as hell but so much classier than the dumb monkeys like the thug niggas we have now. at least capone could speak english.

Re:Yeah right... (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198877)

Hey, at least back then they actually busted people for tax fraud.

These days, you can sell overpriced services to yourself to guarantee yourself a loss. Because everyone else participates in the same scam, so it's not "overpriced" any more... right.

Thanks (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198023)

I live in Canada, and I'm very proud that we have so many torrent sites (I didn't know that). From all of us who live up here: fuck you MPAA.

Re:Thanks (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198563)

Je dirais même plus: fuck you la MPAA.

Re:Thanks (2)

mcneely.mike (927221) | about 2 years ago | (#42198783)

Ya, eh! Like fuck you, you MPAA guys... we hate you, eh!

Hey, Doug, there's a mouse in my Elsinore..........

....

Re:Thanks (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42199191)

Trust Harpeur to put an end to that soon....

Puke (5, Insightful)

Swampash (1131503) | about 2 years ago | (#42198025)

"The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) has declared that the Megaupload shutdown earlier this year has been a great success"

Never mind the fact that the shutdown itself was conducted illegally, and that thousands of legitimate users and businesses were harmed.

Fuck you MPAA. You're the boy with his finger plugging a hole in a dike, and the water's pouring over the top.

A victory indeed for the Jewish-backed MPAA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198073)

They certainly like to use their fingers to poke every little citizen's a$$hole.

Re:A victory indeed for the Jewish-backed MPAA (-1, Flamebait)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about 2 years ago | (#42198141)

Probability wise, some of those execs like little boys so... ... ...

Re:Puke (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198113)

Never mind the fact that the shutdown itself was conducted illegally, and that thousands of legitimate users and businesses were harmed.

What are you talking about? It proved that they control the world's law enforcement AND can act with absolute impunity to the Little People(tm)! That's what makes it a complete resounding success to them!

Re:Puke (1)

hazah (807503) | about 2 years ago | (#42199337)

... till bullets really start flying.

Re:Puke (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198349)

was conducted illegally,

With you so far. The whole thing was a clusterfsck.

and that thousands of legitimate users and businesses were harmed.

Not buying this though.

Well, OK, perhaps thousands. But percentage-wise, what would you guess as to number of legit files vs infringing files?

F*** you MPAA.

With you here again.

Re:Puke (5, Interesting)

cgimusic (2788705) | about 2 years ago | (#42198371)

Well given that nearly half of the files on Megaupload had never been downloaded that makes a good percentage non-infringing. http://torrentfreak.com/megaupload-search-warrants-ignored-massive-non-infringing-use-121118/ [torrentfreak.com]

Re:Puke (5, Funny)

squiggleslash (241428) | about 2 years ago | (#42199149)

Doesn't mean a thing, they could all be DVD Rips of The Phantom Menace.

Re:Puke (1)

hazah (807503) | about 2 years ago | (#42199351)

Could? Sure. Likely? WTF are you smoking? That many people, with that much illegal content, not under any suspicion? Don't confuse probability with possibility.

Re:Puke (1)

jamesh (87723) | about 2 years ago | (#42198779)

The day is coming where it will occur to one of their accountants that they could drastically reduce piracy by simply killing all their customers.

Yes, yes it was. (5, Insightful)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | about 2 years ago | (#42198053)

It was destructive to legitimate file sharing too.

And illegal, very illegal.

Re:Yes, yes it was. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198407)

The "legitimate" file sharing was few and far between, and so insignificant that it doesn't matter that those "legitimate" file shares also went away.

Don't deny it, Megaupload was a pirate site and deserved to go down.

Go set up your own legitimate file share--if it is really legitimate. Get your own domain to host files, open an FTP share on your local machine so users can download files directly, you know, that kind of legitimate file sharing is possible.

Now, I tend think Slashdot is generally just pro-piracy because they want to stick it corporations--they want all the music for free, all the movies for free, all the software for free, like some sort of God-given entitlement. Face it folks, you do have to pay for content.

But, let's see how much whining and crying occurs when a corporation pirates GPL/LGPL code by not making the code accessible. Shouldn't Slashdot support that kind of piracy too, in the name of consistency?

Re:Yes, yes it was. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198565)

There's plenty of file sharing services both more and less sketchy than Megaupload was. DropBox (using the public folder feature) and Box.net are the two more reputable ones I can name off the top of my head. People use them because there's no other easy way to transfer files that won't fit in e-mail attachments. The focus on Megaupload was just because it was one of the biggest and kept to the letter of the law on copyright.

Re:Yes, yes it was. (5, Interesting)

drkstr1 (2072368) | about 2 years ago | (#42198937)

Now, I tend think Slashdot is generally just pro-piracy because they want to stick it corporations--they want all the music for free, all the movies for free, all the software for free, like some sort of God-given entitlement. Face it folks, you do have to pay for content.

I think for a lot of people, piracy is less about getting something for free, and more about a refusal to continue playing by a set rules that are counterproductive to the progression of society as a whole. People are fed up with this whole concept of "Intellectual Property," and it's spreading more and more every year. The media empire is drastically attempting to sway our thinking back to the old ways, but they are fighting an uphill battle, as people are beginning to realize what is best for the media empire is not what is best for the progress of society. We no longer need IP to "force" us to create! The internet has made it quite evident that it is human nature to explore new ideas, create, and to be creative. What we need more than ever is access to free flowing (uncensored) ideas and information from all over the globe. This more than anything will bring us together as a species, and allow us to progress in a direction that is not just ideal for the privileged few, but to every human being on this planet. I strongly believe that Intellectual Property is counterproductive to this goal.

It was a good ride, but it's time for Big Media to go. Let's start by abolishing all concepts of Intellectual Property, and simply make plagiarism illegal instead.

Re:Yes, yes it was. (5, Informative)

GoatCheez (1226876) | about 2 years ago | (#42199259)

The only time I ever used Mega services was for legitimate files. If I ever wanted anything illegitimate I'd search for a torrent. People forget a VERY common use case: I need to post large content on the internet for download by a lot of people, and I don't want to use my own hosting bandwidth. Wallpaper pack? Recordings from class? Video of a friend's concert? The list goes on...

Re:Yes, yes it was. (3, Insightful)

hazah (807503) | about 2 years ago | (#42199511)

Few and far between? You seem to know so much, why don't you cough some numbers instead of "fancy" quotation marks around words you wish to mock? You're implying guilt, so lets see the proof. Not to mention that it's unacceptable (this is not up for compromize) for civilized society to blame an innocent for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Don't deny that you are accusing and condemning without providing a shred of justification. You are NOT smarter than the court system, AC. You've not enough to be able to back that claim up.

Refrain from telling others what to do and how to do it. You are insignificant, and your advice is petty and in bad taste. You promote fear and insecurity amonst the people, thus are a disease upon humanity.

You're small and you're thinking in small terms. Ironically, they have nothing to do with the reality of the situation. Read the GPL, at least once before you so arrogantly stick a reference to it into the paragraph I'm about to address.

It must have really hurt your head to fall off of that cloud you've spent a decade hovering in. A strawman so fragile, I hope you already feel incredibly stupid for posting anything at all.

Checks my SickBeard and CouchPotato (5, Interesting)

Jonah Hex (651948) | about 2 years ago | (#42198057)

Looks like I'm watching anything I want, when I want, without the MPAA even slowing me down. Wow, even regional restrictions are gone, as I watch shows and movies from all over the world immediately instead of waiting for a Region 1 release. Thanks Open Source software and Hackers like me for inventing the future of entertainment. MPAA give it up and start paying for decent product placement in shows, fuck commercials. - HEX

Re:Checks my SickBeard and CouchPotato (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198843)

Agree, love my Sickbeard + XBMC htpc setup, although the streaming addons have gotten so good I use sickbeard less and less(why bother using up hard drive space).

"Yet the MPAA says there is still work to be done, identifying sites that make available to downloaders 'unauthorized copies of high-quality, recently-released content and in some cases, coordinate the actual upload and download of that content.' Here's the list of sites, including where they are hosted: Extratorrent (Ukraine), IsoHunt (Canada), Kickass Torrents (Canada), Rutracker (Russia), The Pirate Bay (Sweden), Torrentz (Canada), and Kankan (China)."

Really? Torrent sites are still on the top of there list of sites to shut down? People are still using torrents that much? Or is it just that torrents are the only thing they can really keep track of semi reliably?

This was a triumph. (5, Funny)

fragtag (2565329) | about 2 years ago | (#42198065)

I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS. It's hard to overstate my satisfaction. --MPAA

Re:This was a triumph. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198195)

I'm not even angry. I'm being so sincere right now. Even though you broke my heart and killed me. And torn it pieces. And threw every piece into a fire. As they burned it hurt because I was so happy for you!

Thanks for the list (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198075)

love torrents keeps everybody busy and away from my secret method.

Re:Thanks for the list (0)

AvitarX (172628) | about 2 years ago | (#42198135)

I'm a pretty big fan of the character boneless, and fellow fans have some pretty interesting things to share. Such fast access too!

Re:Thanks for the list (1)

twistedcubic (577194) | about 2 years ago | (#42199367)

Does your "secret" method start with a U?

Yay piracy is over! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198077)

Thank God the war on piracy is over!

Thanks! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198083)

We all owe the MPAA a hearty thank-you for telling us where we can steal their movies in the post-Megauplod era.

What they didn't say (5, Insightful)

Hans Adler (2446464) | about 2 years ago | (#42198087)

The MPAA's original paper: http://de.scribd.com/doc/115644694/NOT-Motion-Picture-Association-of-America-Final [scribd.com]

They brag about how much money they are making and speak in passing about the "massive" impact of closing down Megaupload. The one thing that seems to be conspicuously missing is any estimate of how much more money they made due to the reduction in "piracy".

Re:What they didn't say (4, Interesting)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | about 2 years ago | (#42198305)

Exactly.

If they are "losing" money due to "piracy" then why does Piracy NEVER show up on the balance books for EACH movie?

Re:What they didn't say (5, Insightful)

BradleyUffner (103496) | about 2 years ago | (#42198343)

Exactly.

If they are "losing" money due to "piracy" then why does Piracy NEVER show up on the balance books for EACH movie?

I'm actually surprised that it doesn't. It would make the whole "Hollywood Accounting" thing easier to pull off, letting them pay the actors and writers even less because the film made less money.

Re:What they didn't say (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198967)

Because if they DID put it on the balance books, they would have to JUSTIFY it.

The IRS would not look too kindly on "we lost trillion of dollars due to piracy based on unfounded, unprovable methodology. Tax refund plz!"

Re:What they didn't say (1)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about 2 years ago | (#42199291)

That's assuming that the IRS would audit them. Such a major contributor to so many campaigns isn't going to get audited.

Success != Money (5, Interesting)

Dan East (318230) | about 2 years ago | (#42198097)

So in other words, their profits suddenly shot up by some "massive" amount? I mean that's really the only reason to go to the trouble (and cost) of shutting stuff like this down, is to recover some revenue, right? After all, that is the only kind of success that matters to the content producers, is making more money for their effort.

FTA:

Interestingly, recently published research suggests that shuttering Megaupload may have even had a negative impact on box office revenues. In a recent blog post MPAA’s head of research Julia Jenks said the short paper is “not clear or compelling,” but it’s an indication that the Megaupload shutdown might not be all that positive for the industry itself either.

Oops. Spin it, Julia. Spin it round and round.

Re:Success != Money (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198227)

or in other words, all those damages they've been claiming? Complete nonsense.

Re:Success != Money (1)

jamesh (87723) | about 2 years ago | (#42198799)

or in other words, all those damages they've been claiming? Complete nonsense.

Or alternatively, by pirating a movie you are actually helping the movie industry. Where's your cut of the profits??

Re:Success != Money (1)

SuperAlgae (953330) | about 2 years ago | (#42198825)

Right! And you can only assume they will pass those savings onto the consumer. I expect movie prices to drop dramatically any moment now...

any moment now...

hmm...

Oooh. (0)

roc97007 (608802) | about 2 years ago | (#42198099)

Thanks for the list!

Re:Oooh. (2)

cheesybagel (670288) | about 2 years ago | (#42198885)

Yeah. I thought you could be sued for providing a reference to an illegal download site but it seems MPAA's own rules don't apply to them.

Not according to the box office results (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198109)

Or this more in depth analysis which concludes:

"We find that the shutdown had a negative, yet insignificant effect on box office revenues.This counterintuitive result may suggest support for the theoretical perspective of (social) network effects where file-sharing acts as a mechanism to spread information about a good from consumers with zero or low willingness to pay to users with high willingness to pay."

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2176246

Re:Not according to the box office results (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198693)

>negative, yet insignificant effect on box office revenues

Or more likely, the authors just had to push a publication out the door to justify their grant money.

Re:Not according to the box office results (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198921)

Who would pay them to say that? Pirates? Who supposedly don't pay for anything? When Hollywood would (and does) gladly pay for opposing results all the time?

Unsurprising (1)

Dega704 (1454673) | about 2 years ago | (#42198125)

The MPAA would claim this even if piracy had gone up since then. Their hit list just makes the reasons that much more obvious. Nothing to see here. Just business as usual.

Omission (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198171)

MPAA forgot to list my mom's basement.

Piracy down, along with ticket sales (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198199)

http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/12/11/25/1654201/researchers-find-megaupload-shutdown-hurt-box-office-revenues
Let's cut off our nose to spite our face!

WooHoo for Canada (3, Funny)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | about 2 years ago | (#42198213)

We're number 1!
All others are #2 or worse!

illegal spying (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198265)

subverting foreign governments
illegal search seizure
violating due process

and you brag about it?!?!

Blame it on Canada! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198273)

Here's the list of sites, including where they are hosted: Extratorrent (Ukraine), IsoHunt (Canada), Kickass Torrents (Canada), Rutracker (Russia), The Pirate Bay (Sweden), Torrentz (Canada), and Kankan (China)."

Aside from some new sites to try out, it's obvious that Canada is leading the Coalition of Internet Freedom, I mean is to blame for the poor starving artists in the movie industry. I mean, did you see that minibar in {censored} limo? Gee, that single malt was made when my dad was already going to the potty by himself! Can't afford the good stuff anymore due to massive Internet piracy, that's what I say.

Speaking as a pirate, (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198285)

If not for all the slashdot coverage, I wouldn't even have noticed.

But did they sell any move movie tickets? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198293)

This provides a really good opportunity to measure a decline in piracy against an increase in ticket and DVD/Bluray sales. If they aren't talking about how much more money they're making, I think we can safely assume that the mantra that piracy != lost sales is true.

They completely missed all the new sites (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198333)

:) They totally missed the largest streaming sites or link sites entirely.

http://www.solarmovie.so/ (http://www.solarmovie.eu/)
http://www.tv-links.eu/
http://www.vidics.eu/
http://www.movs.eu/
http://www.watchseries.eu
http://www.youtube.com/ (mostly good old stuff, but still a great source for that content)

If you want more just do a Google search for ”some obscure movie or tv show site:eu” and you'll find it on the first page of Google's results. This works for any movie and not just obscure stuff. Humorously it is easier to find stuff this way then Netflix, Hulu, etc.

Re:They completely missed all the new sites (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198489)

Streaming sites have shitty quality. Try any private tracker.

Re:They completely missed all the new sites (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | about 2 years ago | (#42198891)

Yeah. I saw Dune on Youtube the other day.

Re:They completely missed all the new sites (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42199183)

Why were you being punished? What did you do?

Re:They completely missed all the new sites (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | about 2 years ago | (#42199661)

I actually think it is quite a good movie even if flawed horribly. Great visuals for most of the time. Some superb acting by Kenneth McMillan and Brad Dourif. Great music. Sure some of the actors are horribly wooden. Some special effects fall flat today. It takes multiple views to even begin to understand the plot. However I like it.

Re:They completely missed all the new sites (1)

techcodie (1140645) | about 2 years ago | (#42199253)

thank you. I now have my next several hours planned out to check these sites. Both of the first two links provided me with something I liked on the front page, and now I have to look into the rest.

I hope the rest of my evening turns out as well.

youtube is still the only place to get Cannibal Holocaust as far as I know, and maybe a few other things.

Re:They completely missed all the new sites (1)

techcodie (1140645) | about 2 years ago | (#42199419)

and then they want a credit card. cheesy advertising. can't do it, won't do it, hunt them down and kill them.

Then spend the rest of my card.

Shitheads. Like I would give them a real name, phone number and address. Are there still people stupid enough out there to fall for this?

Re:They completely missed all the new sites (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42199409)

I had also wondered about the obfuscated search function on Netflix. I could use Netflix search for a movie and come up dry. Then Google the same movie title plus Netflix and there would be the Netflix page to order or view the movie. After a while it seemed there was nothing worthwhile to search for either way. The lack of compelling content is the main reason for lackluster sales. Ok, I admit to downloading entire seasons of Game pf Thrones because I prefer to watch series that way.

Whack a mole (5, Funny)

nurb432 (527695) | about 2 years ago | (#42198417)

It always feels like a success when you whack the first mole.. but then 2 of its friends appear later..

Eventually the moles eat you.

title tag should have been "mission accomplished" (3, Funny)

Wookie_CD (639534) | about 2 years ago | (#42198439)

(referring, naturally, to the banner behind Bush on an aircraft carrier while making a speech about the Iraq war)

OMG, they're coordinating! (1)

DreadfulGrape (398188) | about 2 years ago | (#42198671)

"... in some cases, coordinate the actual upload and download of that content"

You bastards!

Maybe not so successful (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42198943)

A person I know says they still don't have any trouble downloading anything they want.

MPAA feels untouchable (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42199005)

Now that Biden's in for a second term, the MPAA feels invincible.

Let's bomb all of them (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42199015)

Canada? 3 times over.

Did it lead to more purchases? (2)

Nationless (2123580) | about 2 years ago | (#42199173)

Serious question: Fair enough that they disrupted a lot of traffic, but did it get redirected anywhere positive?

Did sales go up? This is a pretty important question that they don't seem to be answering.

Re:Did it lead to more purchases? (1)

plazman30 (531348) | about 2 years ago | (#42199231)

You know it didn't. The people pirating stuff will ALMOST NEVER buy the content if they can't get it for free. In other news, Libraries have seen a massive increase in requests for library cards...

Re:Did it lead to more purchases? (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 2 years ago | (#42199477)

Sales went down. They're blaming that on other factors though.

Oh yeah, that worked... (1)

plazman30 (531348) | about 2 years ago | (#42199217)

Cause my coworker didn't just check his Comcast account and see that he downloaded 420 GB of stuff in November. Way to go Justice Department. The 10 people that were downloading blu-ray rips from Megaupload all went to Bittorrent.

Massive impact! (2)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 2 years ago | (#42199449)

Piracy on Megaupload before shutdown: > 0%, << 100%.
Piracy on Megaupload after shutdown: 0. Infinite reduction in piracy!
Piracy on mediums other than Megaupload Before: unknown.
Piracy on mediums other than Megaupload Before: unknown still, but greater than before.

Silly Slashdot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42199451)

You guys crack me up. On the one hand you complain about no jobs and the 1%. On the other hand you want to steal other peoples intellectual property. Protip: If they steal your work, you can't make a living. I guess you guys are all slinging burgers, and don't actually create anything?

Fixed that for you (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42199459)

"Here's the list of sites, including where they are hosted: Extratorrent (Ukraine), IsoHunt (Canada), Kickass Torrents (Canada), Rutracker (Russia), The Pirate Bay (Everywhere), Torrentz (Canada), and Kankan (China)."

Source: http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-moves-to-the-cloud-becomes-raid-proof-121017/

Torrentz is in Canada? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42199533)

"Here's the list of sites, including where they are hosted: ... Torrentz (Canada)"

I thought https://torrents.de was located in Delaware. Looks like I need to learn more about this internet thing. Pat in Dover.

There, fixed that for you (2)

davegravy (1019182) | about 2 years ago | (#42199539)

"Here's the list of sites, including where they are hosted: Extratorrent (Ukraine), IsoHunt (Canada), Kickass Torrents (Canada), Rutracker (Russia), The Pirate Bay (Everywhere), Torrentz (Canada), and Kankan (China)."

Source:

http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-moves-to-the-cloud-becomes-raid-proof-121017/ [torrentfreak.com]

you mean "massive fail" (2)

davydagger (2566757) | about 2 years ago | (#42199789)

All they've done is take all free android clones, peoples personal, and legally owned shit, and home vidoes off the net. They've killed many cell phone modding communities with broken links.

Its made it that much harder for a small projects(FOSS types) to host large files associated with them.

In case your wondering, its just as easy as it was before to get pirated material from a site that flaunts its pirate status, "The Pirate Bay"

Rest assured good freinds, you can still get your mindless RIAA sponsored pop music pirate, entirely unabated.
https://thepiratebay.se/search/britney%20spears/0/99/0

"Great success" (3, Insightful)

Dunge (922521) | about 2 years ago | (#42199807)

I'm sorry, but every new release sites have more than 4+ mirrors anyway. When megalupload went down, another came up to replace. Also, they are actually listing the next sites they gonna abuse their power to shut down? Let's do something against that and make sure it don't happen.
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