McAfee Arrested In Guatemala 184
Reports are coming in that John McAfee's on again off again relationship with various law enforcement agencies has finally come to an end. According to interior minister Mauricio Lopez Bonilla, he has been arrested in Guatemala after trying to enter the country illegally.
Did he take a picture? (Score:2, Funny)
Maybe we can get the EXIF data from that one, too.
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I just want more "candids" of Samantha...
McAfree? (Score:4, Funny)
What a clever pun considering the situation. Surely it was intentional!
Re:McAfree? (Score:5, Funny)
John McAfree?
Cue the "Fee McAfree" movement.
Re:McAfree? (Score:5, Funny)
Shouldn't it have been McAflee?
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It sounds more like the name of a dance step than a movement.
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My relatives who don't understand computers and worry about viruses already pay a McAfree Fee each month.
Re:McAfree? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Never attribute to editors what you can incompetence.
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I was thinking Neil
Re:McAfree? (Score:5, Funny)
John McAfree?
What a clever pun considering the situation. Surely it was intentional!
He was probably caught in Guatemala's firewall. The worm.
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John McAfree?
What a clever pun considering the situation. Surely it was intentional!
Virus McAfree.
McAfree wasn't on the whitelist (Score:2)
Re:McAfree? (Score:4, Funny)
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The editing quality has really dropped around here since Taco left.
At Slashdot, "editing" or "editor" has an entirely different meaning than it does on other sites. There should be no expectations of quality, unless you simply enjoy disappointment.
McAfree? (Score:3)
Does this mean no more Crystal Singer books?
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Whew... (Score:5, Funny)
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For a minute there, I thought John McAfee'd been arrested.
Wouldn't that be nice?
I mean... would that happen, we may read some news on /. (instead of watching the first season of a cheap drama [wikipedia.org])
Asylum (Score:5, Interesting)
According to USA Today [usatoday.com] he has requested asylum, claiming he is being persecuted in Belize.
Re:Asylum (Score:5, Insightful)
If Belize is a problem for him, why doesn't he move back to the US? He still has his US citizenship, and Guatemala will seek to deport him to the US.
How can he have a valid asylum claim if his country of citizenship isn't giving him a problem? Or is he going to claim that the US will extradite him to Belize?
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Because Belize wasn't about to let him on a plane -- he's a fugitive. How do you think he's going to just up and go back to the US?
The two countries share a border, and he was arrested trying to enter illegally.
As to if they'll send him to the US or Belize ... stay tuned.
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I was referring to going back to the US from Guatamela. Once he's in Guatemala, he could either seek to get on a plane to the US like a regular passenger, or ask Guatemala to deport him to the US at his own expense.
Re:Asylum (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, it's not up to him now, is it?
I'm quite sure that he was trying to get back to the US or someplace which suited him.
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Lets assume for a second that he is actually guilty (I don't know that he is or isn't). He is a smart man who can afford a lawyer. Do you really think its likely that they could gather enough solid evidence to convict him by jury here, if he wants to press it?
It may cost him some money, but I would bet dollars to donuts that such a prosecution would go nowhere. Though, it still might happen, all you need is a prosecutor who cares about getting his name in the papers.
That's why the US has embassies (Score:5, Interesting)
In the event that it really was a case of Belize trying to set him up and him needing to get out, the US would almost certainly help him. It extends powerful protections to its citizens. He gets in the embassy, he's back in US territory and the rest isn't a big deal, given the US's resources.
However if you do a little digging you find that he's probably not on that good a terms with the US, and that's why he left. His move there wasn't because it is an unparalleled paradise or because he has ties there or something, it was because he was running from the US more or less.
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Re:Asylum (Score:4, Funny)
That might be racial profiling if we did it. Can't have that. Must keep groping old ladies and young girls in wheelchairs. That's the American way.
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Because Belize wasn't about to let him on a plane -- he's a fugitive. How do you think he's going to just up and go back to the US?
The two countries share a border, and he was arrested trying to enter illegally.
As to if they'll send him to the US or Belize ... stay tuned.
The US and Belize do NOT share a border.
I know i had a public school education, but even I'm not that stupid.
Yes, I know you meant Guatemala and Belize, but you don't even have Guatemala mentioned in your post, so it seems like you are saying the US and Belize share a border. I would be embarrassed if I made such a mess up in public.
Re:Asylum (Score:5, Interesting)
I know at one point there was a wrongful death lawsuit against him in the States and is one of the speculated reasons for him liquidating all of his US assets and moving to Belize.
I dunno what the actual outcome of that lawsuit was though.
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If Belize is a problem for him, why doesn't he move back to the US? He still has his US citizenship, and Guatemala will seek to deport him to the US.
How can he have a valid asylum claim if his country of citizenship isn't giving him a problem? Or is he going to claim that the US will extradite him to Belize?
I think the asylum request is an instance of "playing the last card in your hand, and hope it wins the trick".
Or maybe he was asking for a different kind of asylum.
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He's being "persecuted" in the U.S. as well for skipping out on a trial over a death he caused of a man he accidentally manslaughtered when he allowed the man to ride on a custom hang glider he had developed. Also, we would just probably hand him over if that wasn't the case.
Re:Asylum (Score:4, Funny)
he should have tried Ecuador...
Inmates running the Asylum (Score:2)
Licensing (Score:4, Funny)
Looks like his License (to kill) expired. The renewal fees were probably too much.
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Hello,
That was a rude and uncalled-for comment. GirlInTraining may have indeed said something tasteless, but your reply only exacerbates the situation.
Regards,
Aryeh Goretsky
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yep it was tasteless, considering that, as we speak, the police may be scanning all mcafee`s personal items for malicious items.
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I hear... (Score:5, Funny)
that he's going to get a 30 day trial.
Re:I hear... (Score:4, Funny)
You'd think he'd know better than to try and use a Trojan horse.
Re:I hear... (Score:5, Funny)
Anonymous Coward, whoever you may be: I don't hold your post against you. Jokes of this nature are simply obligatory. What would a three hour opera be like when missing the final note of the final crescendo? Or "Shave and a haircut" without "two bits"? Or "Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrreeess" without "Johnny!"? Certain things must be done, and certain words must be said. I thank you, as a fellow human being, for making this sacrifice, and providing one of the thousands of obligatory jokes that have been posted to Slashdot over the years.
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Where you can get modded up to +5, funny for posting the same jokes that have been posted over and over again before.
Maybe he caught some weird South American flu while he was there. Then we could make jokes about McAfee catching a virus.
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You may want to update your definition files.
(Belize and Guatemala are in Central America.)
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McAfee catching a virus.
Well, that would be new!
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McAfee catching a virus.
Well, that would be new!
No it wouldn't.
Re:Slashdot . . . (Score:4, Funny)
Where anonymous cowards bitch and moan about other anonymous cowards...Uh oh! Help! I'm stuck in an infinite loop!
dumb (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:dumb (Score:5, Insightful)
Did it, though?
I'd love to actually get some interesting comments about McAfee, his pathology (sociopath) for example, when opening these Slashdot threads. But nope, it's just more "anti-virus" jokes. Every single thread. Jokes repeated ad nauseam.
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Anything any of us could say on the topic would be gossip. I prefer the jokes.
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I long ago changed my preferences on Slashdot so that anything moderated Funny gets ignored - just went looking for the setting but I can't find it in options any more so not sure where to direct you. But it means all those jokes are just removed from browsing the comments and it makes it much more bearable.
and now the Guatemala court system will slow down (Score:5, Funny)
and now the Guatemala court system will slow down big time to be able to run McAfee though the system.
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The trial will only last 30 days though.
How he was busted... (Score:5, Informative)
An interesting note on how McAfee was busted:
To promote its exclusive access, VICE published a smartphone picture of McAfee with reporter Rocco Castoro. That was a big mistake.
Digitally embedded in the photo was the location where it was taken, and it placed McAfee in Guatemala -- just across the border from Belize. Now the world knew where John McAfee was hiding.
From http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/12/06/belize-mcafee-arrest-idINDEE8B501X20121206 [reuters.com]
Oooops... wrong linky... HERE YOU GO... (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57557443/john-mcafee-arrested-in-guatemala-for-illegal-entry/ [cbsnews.com]
Re:How he was busted... (Score:4, Insightful)
should have used imgur, it removes the geotags
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Digitally embedded in the photo was the location where it was taken, and it placed McAfee in Guatemala -- just across the border from Belize. Now the world knew where John McAfee was hiding.
So you're saying McAfee got owned by embedded Intel inside? I thought that already happened like 2 years ago.
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Sure, but NOT the exact geo coords, eh?
Why... (Score:2)
Why flee to Guatemala? Does he have relatives there? A fat secret bank account?
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Re:Why... (Score:5, Informative)
McAfee said he would seek political asylum in Guatemala, which has been embroiled in a long-running territorial dispute with Belize. There is no extradition treaty between the two countries...
Re:Why... (Score:5, Informative)
Okay, I know this flies in the face of every movie ever, but in real life a person who is trying to avoid being detained by law enforcement (for something serious, like murder, not just parking tickets or whatnot) generally has to avoid international airports. Ships are almost as bad. That leaves small boats (like, personal sailboats) as the main way to get off the continent. *Buying* a boat, if you don't already have one, is a frighteningly high-profile activity.
So going by land is a fairly logical choice. That limits the possible destinations somewhat. If you go north from the US, you can only go to Canada. It's not particularly easy to hide in Canada. So the logical thing is to go south. You probably don't want to stay in Mexico, because it's directly adjacent to the country you're fleeing. And you definitely don't want to try to cross the Panama canal, because there are only a couple of bridges that cross it, and it would be trivial for someone (like, say, law enforcement) to have them watched.
So you end up in Central America. This gives you a choice of seven countries to hide in, which means anyone who's looking for you has potentially seven distinct local jurisdictions to deal with (eight if they can't be sure you're not still in Mexico), which is an annoying impediment for them and may just buy you a bit of extra time to figure out what to do. Maybe.
There's still a substantial amount of risk, of course. Running from the law is always going to be somewhat risky. And, indeed, he got caught.
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Of course, if you're the Belize authorities, you can sit back, smoke a couple and wait for the idiot to tell the entire world where he is.
Complex spy novel level planning notwithstanding.
All the "bonkers" and "Crazy" talk... (Score:5, Interesting)
After reading the timeline of events. It really seems like he didn't pay some protection money. First the police raid his house (for a meth lab) and drop charges, then after he donates to the police the next day all his dogs are killed. He definitely pissed off some people. So is he Crazy? I think hes so damn shaken up he cant think straight and tried to run because he honestly thinks he would be escape goat for a murder and might even be murdered himself.
Timeline @ http://wecheck.org/wiki/John_McAfee [wecheck.org]
TDLR; I think he was too busy banging the 17 yo and having the good life, so I doubt he had a meth lab and was a drug kingpin.
Re:All the "bonkers" and "Crazy" talk... (Score:5, Informative)
He spent the last year of his life posting on some pro-drug forum about all the weird shit he was cooking up. He was obsessed with drugs and drug use, about perfecting recreational drugs and inventing new drugs. He's been frying his brain for a while now and this was the inevitable conclusion.
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Which forum? Did he identify himself, and was this confirmed?
Drug people tend not to reveal who they are on the internet, nor what activities they are engaging in. So this seems odd.
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He was reportedly on bluelight.ru, posting as "Stuffmonger".
Re:All the "bonkers" and "Crazy" talk... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:All the "bonkers" and "Crazy" talk... (Score:4, Funny)
Escape goat? I like that, I'll have to start using that. It's a scapegoat, by the way.
The 'escape goat' is like a drug mule, only you have to use it to get out of the country.
Re:All the "bonkers" and "Crazy" talk... (Score:5, Funny)
I thought he was on the lamb.
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As long as he's not a mule.
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http://img23.xooimage.com/files/5/5/5/johan_et_pirlouit_1-13aaf68.jpg [xooimage.com]
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Escape goat? I like that, I'll have to start using that. It's a scapegoat, by the way.
Escape Goat. This is Guatemala after all.
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Escape goat? I like that, I'll have to start using that. It's a scapegoat, by the way.
Escape Goat. This is Guatemala after all.
In Guatemala goat escape you.
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he honestly thinks he would be escape goat
<unwanted education>
That's Scapegoat. [wikipedia.org]
</unwanted education>
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Or, alternately, he did a murder.
Not every technology figure is an innocent victim hounded by the man. Christ, look at Reiser.
A victim of Faull* play.
* Its pronounced Fah'-uhl
Why back to Belize? (Score:5, Interesting)
From RTFA'ing, it seems that Guatemala and Belize have no mutual legal assistance treat and are, in fact, engaged in a territorial dispute over their border, so I am wondering why Guatemala would bother sending him back to Belize, as opposed to escorting him to the airport and putting him on the next plane out of the country, wherever that might be. Or Mr. McAfee* could certainly afford a flight back to the United States, Switzerland or pretty much any other place.
Even more strange is the report [cbsnews.com] from CBS News quoting Guatemala's Interior Minister Mauricio Lopez Bonilla that "McAfee was detained by police at a hotel in an upscale Guatemala City neighborhood with the help of Interpol agents" (emphasis mine) as Interpol agents do not have arrest powers. Interpol can request that someone be provisionally arrested in order for them to be extradited, but a search [interpol.int] of the Wanted Person's database on their web site reveals that no such "Red Notice" has been issued for John McAfee.
I do hope that Mr. McAfee is treated fairly by the Belizean authorities, and that his concerns of abuse and torture at their hands is simply an irrational fear.
Regards,
Aryeh Goretsky
*I was told earlier that is improper to use a title of Doctor since his doctorate is an an honorary degree.
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Such fears, be they rational or irrational, rise some questions about why he moved to and stayed in Belize in the first place, especially after being arrested once already. Did he, for example, attempt to evade the taxes necessary to maintain the society ordered and relatively free of corruption? And if the answer would happen to be "yes", then havi
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According to BBC [bbc.co.uk], "He moved to Belize about three years ago seeking lower taxes".
Also, I never once said anything about libertarians. That you instantly associate "tax evasion" with "libertarians" is their own fault, not mine.
Utter disgust with people
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From RTFA'ing, it seems that Guatemala and Belize have no mutual legal assistance treat and are, in fact, engaged in a territorial dispute over their border, so I am wondering why Guatemala would bother sending him back to Belize, as opposed to escorting him to the airport and putting him on the next plane out of the country, wherever that might be.
When you are involved in a multinational territorial dispute, both parties just might not want the antics of a batshit insane psychopath to gum up the works. Neither country controls McAfee's behavior (it's not clear that he can control it either). Loose cannons are very problematic. Easier for Guatemala to pack him up and toss him back over the border with a note pinned on his shirt saying "No thanks".
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Poontah, or death?
Quite clever of McAfee (Score:3, Interesting)
If his life was indeed in danger, he handled the situation well. By appearing to behave like a lunatic (on the internet), he got the attention of the international news media. This attention acted as a shield - rather like it does with Julian Assange.
McAfee has brought worldwide attention to the Belize justice system. Now if/when he returns to stand trial, he will be guaranteed a fair hearing. Belize has a growing tourism industry, and won't allow their efforts to be sabotaged by corrupt judicial officials.
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If his life was indeed in danger, he handled the situation well. By appearing to behave like a lunatic (on the internet), he got the attention of the international news media.
OK, that explains one. Now why do the rest of us behave like lunatics on the internet?
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If his life was indeed in danger, he handled the situation well. By appearing to behave like a lunatic (on the internet), he got the attention of the international news media.
OK, that explains one. Now why do the rest of us behave like lunatics on the internet?
Bath salts?
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Maybe it's the internet and not the people on it?
Travel Advisory (Score:4, Informative)
Border Areas: A long-standing border dispute between Belize and Guatemala has not been resolved and many areas of the border area are not adequately patrolled. Smugglers, narcotics traffickers and wildlife poachers enter Belize in the shared border region, and there have been incidents of clashes between some of these individuals and Belize military and law enforcement personnel, some of which included the exchange of gunfire. Visitors should avoid trekking or other activities near the Belize-Guatemala border to ensure that they do not inadvertently cross the border into Guatemala. The Embassy cautions U.S. citizens who choose to travel on cross-border public buses between Guatemala and Belize in response to a spike in armed bus attacks by bandits in January 2011. Illegal cross-border activities increase after nightfall. Visitors to the border areas should travel only during daylight.
Belize [state.gov]
CRIME AND SAFETY TIPS: Guatemala has one of the highest violent crime rates in Central America. Between January and September 2012, an average of 95 murders per week were reported countrywide in Guatemala. The vast majority of murders do not involve foreigners; however, the sheer volume of activity means that local officials, who are often inexperienced and underpaid, are unable to cope with the problem. Rule of law is lacking as the judicial system is weak, overworked, and inefficient. Criminals know there is little chance they will be caught or punished as the rate of convictions/resolution are very low.
The number of violent crimes reported by U.S. citizens and other foreigners has remained high and incidents have included, but are not limited to, assault, theft, armed robbery, carjacking, rape, kidnapping, and murder, even in areas of Guatemala City once considered safe.
Guatemala is a country with many different and firmly held local beliefs and customs. Particularly in small villages, residents are often wary and suspicious of outsiders. In the past, Guatemalan citizens have been lynched for suspicion of child abduction, so we recommend that U.S. citizens keep a distance from local children, and refrain from actions that could fuel such suspicions. In addition, U.S. citizens are advised to be aware of and avoid activities that might unintentionally violate a cultural or religious belief. The following recommendations will help residents and visitors alike to increase their safety:
Avoid gatherings of agitated people. Attempting to intervene may put you at risk of attacks from mobs.
Avoid close contact with local children, including taking photographs, especially in rural areas. Such contact can be viewed with deep suspicion and may provoke panic and violence.
Keep informed of possible demonstrations by following the local news and consulting hotel personnel and tour guides. Avoid areas where demonstrations are occurring.
Guatemala [state.gov]
McAfee seems to have cut pretty close to the line in his pursuit of young women in Belize. Not a pedophile. But not someone to be trusted, either. A bizarre visit to John McAfee's pleasure palace in Belize [cnn.com]
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The US State department's info on Guatamala is certainly entertaining:
Leaving cars unattended in parking lots of fast food franchises can also invite break-ins in spite of the presence of armed guards. Make sure you leave the car just long enough to complete the meal—the armed guards are for decoration only.
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.. 95 murders a week and the police are still 'inexperienced'?
The criminals are experienced too.
Someone explain this to me (Score:4, Funny)
Mcafee got arrested.
A guy who allegedly understands security murders someone (allegedly), and then proceeds to be "on the run" throughout the third world, while stopping twice a day to give the media an interview, tell them where he is and what he's up to, reality TV style.
The surprising twist in the story: The authorities found him.
Who woulda bloody thunk.
This guy should be shot for stupidity even before being tried for murder.
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Obviously part of the plan (Score:2)
Point 1)
He spends months in Belize without being arrested, but is arrested within a week of entering Guatemala, even knowing 24 hours (or more) before that his position had been broadcast to the world. Riiiight...
Point 2)
I guess authorities in Guatemala are much more willing to have you stay arrested than in Mexico.
If he's extradited to North Korea you know exactly what is happening here.
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If he's extradited to North Korea you know exactly what is happening here.
Jong Uns is having trouble with porno pop ups.
New Media Animation (Score:2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hePJGol7XjQ [youtube.com] ;)
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This is by no means an end. This story will continue on until McAfee is in the ground I'd suspect.
Or longer, if the conspiracy theory crowd takes an interest in it.