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F-16 Engines Stolen From Israeli Air Base

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the check-craigslist dept.

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Hugh Pickens writes "Defense Tech reports that several F-16 engines weighing 3,700 pounds each have been stolen from a base in a central part of the country. Israeli officials played down the loss, saying the engines were old or retired and likely stolen for scrap. U.S. security and aviation experts contacted were not so dismissive of the missing engines and said that some countries would see value in having them and taking them apart. 'They're still more modern than anything in the Iranian air force inventory, and they would even be helpful to China in their jet engine development,' says Richard Aboulafia, noting that modern technology engine design remains 'a black art' and that competitors would love the opportunity to study them. This is not the first time jet engines have gone missing. In June 2011, Israel reported the loss of eight F-15 and F-16 fighter engines from a base at Tel Nof near Jerusalem when investigators found the engines had been taken away on large trucks, prompting speculation that the thieves had help from inside the base. In 2009, two F-5 engines were stolen from an airbase in Malaysia, tracked to Argentina and ultimately located in Uruguay."

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www.FoxNews.com (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237179)

Read it. Learn it. Live it.
This website will provide you with all the facts and tools you need to solidly refute any socialist debaters who argue we should all be provided government entitlements and destroy wealth by stealing it and handing it out to the underclass. Educate yourself, and those around you. Our way of life depends on it.

Re:www.FoxNews.com (4, Funny)

MartinSchou (1360093) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237255)

Are you suggesting that socialists like me are arguing, that we should all be given F-16 engines stolen from Israel?

Re:www.FoxNews.com (1, Troll)

ExploHD (888637) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237711)

Fox News would rather you forget that half-truths are still whole lies

Re:www.FoxNews.com (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42238301)

You mean main stream media in general. Fox news is one of the few defending the other position, and it's one of the few that makes money. The others spew lies and half truths, and sway the nation into voting for more debt and government control.

Building Supplies (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237229)

Those new settlements in the West Bank have to be built out of something.

supposedly (1)

turkeydance (1266624) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237231)

with gps attached.

Mr. Fusion ... (5, Funny)

pollarda (632730) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237243)

I admit, I have the engines. I hooked them up to my Delorean and the Mr. Fusion I've been keeping in my garage.

Re:Mr. Fusion ... (3, Funny)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237283)

Just a reminder, der national Sicherheitsstaat has no sense of humor. It also wants to know why you've been experimenting with fusion and stainless steel (armored?) cars. Expect a visit from black SUVs in your near future.

Sorry I had to inform you of all this. It's my responsibility and my burden. Heavy is the head that wears the tinfoil hat.

Tinfoil Oragami (4, Funny)

CanadianRealist (1258974) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237961)

Heavy is the head that wears the tinfoil hat.

Maybe try using a bit less tinfoil next time. The whole roll is definitely too much. If you learn to fold it just right and not wrinkle it you can make a really good hat from a small piece of tinfoil.

Early Lead (4, Funny)

CuteSteveJobs (1343851) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237245)

The Israeli government have discounted earlier reports of Iranian involvement, and are now looking for a Mr. Wile E. Coyote.

Stolen to order (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237257)

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/09/engine-china-stealth-fighter/ [wired.com]

A nice plane without engines is useless. Over land through Iran to China

Re:Stolen to order (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237355)

If we're so worried about China getting our jet engine tech (and we probably should be), then why is GE allowed to be in a joint Chinese venture to make engines?

http://www.dailytech.com/GE+Announces+Chinese+Joint+Venture+for+Avionics+on+the+C919/article20681.htm

China and Iran don't need any fancy undercover operations - we'll happily shoot ourselves in the foot if it's called business.

Re: Stolen to order (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237393)

Same AC here. That, I did not know. Thanks

Re:Stolen to order (1)

WGFCrafty (1062506) | about a year and a half ago | (#42238083)

Because it could be a disinformation campaign, or a goodwill gesture where we tell nothing of value.

Re:Stolen to order (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | about a year and a half ago | (#42238341)

You do realize there is a slight bit of difference between military grade avionics, and commercial ones, right? It's kind of a big difference, in fact, like the difference between an F-16 and a 747. Actually, not "like", that is the difference between an F-16 and a 747.

Re:Stolen to order (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42238577)

Actually there's very little difference between "military grade" and commercial avionics. I've worked on both.

As for engines, there's obviously a difference between fighter and airliner engines, but the commercial stuff is every bit as sophisticated as the military. They face many of the same problems, and there's a reason why the same companies make both military and commercial jet engines.

Re:Stolen to order (5, Interesting)

cheesybagel (670288) | about a year and a half ago | (#42238069)

China doesn't need to get old F-16 engines from Israel. They already got their hands on some F-16s from Pakistan several years back. This is well known knowledge.

China has the capability to manufacture relatively modern jet engines. One example is the WS-10A engine they use in their J-15 carrier jet instead of the standard AL-31F engine used in the Su-27. The J-31 uses smaller WS-13 engines, also used in the JF-17 they sell to Pakistan, which is based on the Mig-29 RD-33 engine. They had several production problems namely in FADEC, turbine blade reliability and production capacity but it seems they have solved them. Otherwise they wouldn't be testing airplanes powered with their own engines on their carrier.

Thank your imperial overlords (1)

rmdingler (1955220) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237251)

The export of military technology to so many different nations, depending on the political wind of the moment, makes this a highly likely occurrence.

Again. (5, Insightful)

rex.clts (2791393) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237253)

And this is why we shouldn't be giving the Israelis our military technology.

Re:Again. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237329)

Could not agree more.
They have lots of money and lots of smart people.
Glad to help when we can but right now we are broke.
You should be able to get by in the word without our help till we get back on our feet.
Otherwise, what have you been doing with the 3 billion we send a year?

Re:Again. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237561)

The US support to Israel have never been for humanitarian purposes. It's there to secure a strong ally in the middle east. Removing that support might not be a bad idea since it creates a lot of hate towards the US amount the surrounding countries but the US will have to make sure that it doesn't rely on the middle east for oil first.

Does not solve the problem (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237857)

Even if the US used NO oil at all, we'd still be all entangled in the middle east... because we have many allies who are (and will be for many decades) fully dependent upon that oil. We could be sitting happily in the US with our own oil, coal, nuclear, wind, hydro, solar, etc energy and yet our economy could crash because our allies and trading partners crash in response to somebody like Iran choking-off middle east oil. Even if our allies in Europe got off oil from the middle east and instead got it from Russia, they'd leave themselves vulnerable to Russian blackmail and without a readily-available supply of middle east oil as a backup things would still be a mess. Our Asian allies need it. Even China, not an "ally" but certainly a trading partner, is becoming more-dependent upon middle-east oil (one reason they will feel increasingly driven to build-up a blue water navy) and will therefore make Americans worry about the region even if we do not directly use its oil. Quite simply, middle east oil is a vital part of world markets no matter how much or how little the US uses.

Point of information: (4, Informative)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | about a year and a half ago | (#42238187)

Contrary to what you'd think from what politicians say, Israel is not [hnn.us] a treaty [wikipedia.org] ally [csmonitor.com] .

Re:Again. (0)

aliquis (678370) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237465)

But you should.

From 10+ km above.

Over settlements in occupied territory.

Re:Again. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237481)

and likewise they shouldnt give any of their techology to the US.
im sure that a bulk of that technology was developed in israel just owned by american companies.
israel is one of the few countries that actually contributes to technological innovation.
Dont be suprised when u find out a huge chunk of the technology u use, was actually discovered in israel.

im guessing u just hate jews and israel, and support the scumbag muslims. like a true idiot.

Re:Again. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42238025)

WHAT technology. The only 'technology' Israel specializes in are the things Mr. orwell and Mr. lenin wrote about.

We can do better than that. It's not like Israel has the patent on genocide and murder after all.
 

Re:Again. (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42238153)

So here's an example of what's wrong with Slashdot nowadays. It's not the comment itself, but its moderation. This comment accuses the OP of hating Jews and at the same time calls Muslims scumbags. And it gets modded insightful. WTF? I think part of the problem is it seems I get more mod points if I spend them all so I think people are encouraged to use mod points randomly just so they can get more. Another possible cause might be if lower UIDs get more mod points. Several have been sold and it seems like they're being used to skew conversations. Anyway, that's my two cents.

Re:Again. (2)

Wrath0fb0b (302444) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237505)

Maybe you should look at the map [wikipedia.org] of operators. We've sold them to half the world at this point, and for good reason: the F16 is a quality plane.

LOL @ Italy (1)

NotQuiteReal (608241) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237967)

"the lease is up" - color them red.

Really? You can lease a warplane? I suppose they bought "gap" insurance too.

Re:Again. (0)

CanadianRealist (1258974) | about a year and a half ago | (#42238073)

I looked at the map, saw what was coloured. Thought a bit about possible definitions of "half the world". I was having trouble matching them. Then I noticed that the use of "we've sold" suggests it was written by an American. Couldn't help smiling and thinking "proof that some Americans DO know that there are other parts of the world".

please clarify (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237797)

Why's that? Because that technology might make it to a country like Iran? ummm... We have given a HUGE amount of high-tech weaponry (including jets) to Egypt over the years and THAT place is now run by the Muslim Brotherhood which has begun cozying-up to some of the worst governments on Earth (including Iran). Israel is not the only country to let this happen... during the cold war, a Japanese firm intentionally transferred American nuclear submarine propeller technology directly to Russia, which resulted in the American taxpayer spending BILLIONS of new dollars to improve our ability to detect the newer quieter Russian subs and to make ours even more quiet.

So... is it that you oppose helping Egypt and Saudi Arabia and others (anybody who might let our tech slip out to our enemies) as well, OR are you just using this incident to disguise a personal predisposition for Jew-hating?

Muslims have huge swaths of land and many nations, rich with natural resources. The Jews (who have repeatedly faced threats and actual attempts of genocide) have only one tiny country, and it seems to be on the only middle-eastern soil that's not floating on oil (smile) so it's always interesting to see the warped and evil mindset of the irrational freaks who want to eliminate them. I'm not Jewish... I'm just a rational human who is fascinated by the freakish irrational behavior of Jew haters... it seems like every evil person on Earth hates Jews, even if they've never met one...

Re:please clarify (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42238003)

I'm not Jewish

But you play an Israeli talking head on the Internets. So I'm guessing Republican?

It's always hilarious to see Israel fanboys equate 'The United States should not be emptying our treasury on behalf of Israel' into 'ZOMG ANTI-SEMITISM!'

Israel has nuclear weapons. Israel has a strong military. Israel has a damned good number of engineering and science folks, to boot.

The fact is, citizens of the US should not be paying Israel's way. That's it. As for the rest - whatever. Personally, I don't give a damn if Israel launches a war of aggression and takes the whole of the Middle East. At least it'd stop our politicians from fucking about with puppet administrations. That's worked out so well for us in Iraq and Iran, after all.

Re:please clarify (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42238039)

Why's that? Because that technology might make it to a country like Iran? ummm... We have given a HUGE amount of high-tech weaponry (including jets) to Egypt over the years and THAT place is now run by the Muslim Brotherhood which has begun cozying-up to some of the worst governments on Earth (including Iran). Israel is not the only country to let this happen

Or maybe he meant what every reasonable person is thinking: "this is why we shouldn't share our military technology. With anyone. Unless they happen to have military technology we don't, and an information trade between allies would be beneficial to us."

Re:Again. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237843)

And this is why we shouldn't be giving the Israelis our military technology.

Giving? As far as I know the Americans are selling the technology.

Re:Again. (0)

PixetaledPikachu (1007305) | about a year and a half ago | (#42238451)

And this is why we shouldn't be giving the Israelis our military technology.

Giving? As far as I know the Americans are selling the technology.

..And giving israel money at the same time. Now do the math.

I saw this movie (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237263)

Did they check for any giant engine shaped trees or bushes that mysteriously appeared in the area? They could be hiding under their noses!

Why are we still supporting these clowns? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237291)

Oh right. Israel is our foothold in the middle east and as long as they're universally unpopular, we have a reason to invade their neighbors. I keep forgetting. Well, we might as well give them a few more to make up for their loss.

Re:Why are we still supporting these clowns? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237949)

They are not "universally unpopular" they are just unpopular with sick, evil, twisted, freaks like NAZIs, skinheads, and the Muslim Brotherhood (who were allied with Hitler in WWII). Not all Muslims hate Jews (not all Muslims are warped and evil) ... but the truly evil fringe of Islam is the Muslim Brotherhood and they and their associated groups like Hamas and Hezbollah are currently an the ascendancy in the region. The Brotherhood does what every evil leader/government/agitator does... gain support of the local population by pointing at some "other" or "outsider" person/people as the party responsible for all the failings of a society. They tell the Muslim world that all their problems are not because they are have a backward ideology, corrupt leaders, dysfunctional courts, and they severely oppress half of their own population (women and girls) ... oh, no... ALL their problems are because there is a tiny little country with JEWS in it...

Design or buy off the black market? (1)

buybuydandavis (644487) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237303)

A lot easier and cheaper to do R&D with a working prototype in hand. Big problem for the US. You can always have the best equipment, but you're also always helping your enemies to catch up.

Re:Design or buy off the black market? (4, Interesting)

icebike (68054) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237441)

A lot easier and cheaper to do R&D with a working prototype in hand.

And it wouldn't be the first time Israel disappeared some foreign manufactured equipment to get it "off the books" only to come up with some derivative internal products later. In fact, they have concentrated on making major components [globes.co.il] for foreign purchased platforms for years, rather than building new platforms from scratch. Most of their tech is derivative work.

It seems just as likely, given Israel's apparent lack of concern over these thefts, that they know exactly where these engines are.

Re:Design or buy off the black market? (-1, Flamebait)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237495)

Most of everyone's tech is derivative. But somehow, it's only bad if the Jews do it?

Re:Design or buy off the black market? (1)

icebike (68054) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237501)

Most of everyone's tech is derivative. But somehow, it's only bad if the Jews do it?

I never meant to imply it was "bad" in any sense of the word.

Re:Design or buy off the black market? (1)

Isaac Remuant (1891806) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237819)

Who said anything about Jews?

Re:Design or buy off the black market? (0)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237893)

Isn't that implied in Israel bashing? That's what I've always been told.

Re:Design or buy off the black market? (4, Insightful)

Isaac Remuant (1891806) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237997)

My point is that
Israel != Jews.
USA != Christians.
Saudi Arabia != Muslims.
[Country] != [Majority Religion]

You mentioning religion out of the blue when the previous poster said nothing only serves as flamebait.

Re:Design or buy off the black market? (0)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year and a half ago | (#42238163)

I guess in the US, I'm constantly subjected to flamebait. I'd often hear a rant on a talk radio program or from a coworker or something about Israel and the middle east, and it would reference them as Jews derogatorily. And I find it interesting that you refuse a link between Jews and Israel, when Israel was created specifically for the Jews, and is officially a Jewish State. Rarely would someone say something like what the previous poster did without intending it as an insult against Jews.

Re:Design or buy off the black market? (4, Insightful)

Isaac Remuant (1891806) | about a year and a half ago | (#42238281)

Rarely would someone say something like what the previous poster did without intending it as an insult against Jews.

Exercise, let's replace Israel with Liberia [wikipedia.org] :

And it wouldn't be the first time Liberia disappeared some foreign manufactured equipment to get it "off the books" only to come up with some derivative internal products later. In fact, they have concentrated on making major components [globes.co.il] for foreign purchased platforms for years, rather than building new platforms from scratch. Most of their tech is derivative work.

It seems just as likely, given Liberia's apparent lack of concern over these thefts, that they know exactly where these engines are.

"Most of everyone's tech is derivative. But somehow, it's only bad if the black people do it?"

"Rarely would someone say something like what the previous poster did without intending it as an insult against black people."

"And I find it interesting that you refuse a link between black people and Liberia, when Liberia was created specifically for the black people, and is officially a Black State" (This one is not really true but I hope it helps further prove my point that the linkage it's completely of your own doing. Not every Israeli is Jewish and not every Jew is Israeli.)

Re:Design or buy off the black market? (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year and a half ago | (#42238309)

Yes you had the Mirage 5 history with the plans and parts been in the right place at the right time.
You have the history of the Phalcon advanced airborne early-warning (AEW at 250 miles?) radar system and China.
Small arms drift off bases around the world every year, getting out with an engine with the surrounding safe transport container/sled structure- not so easy.

Re:Design or buy off the black market? (4, Insightful)

mjwx (966435) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237877)

A lot easier and cheaper to do R&D with a working prototype in hand. Big problem for the US. You can always have the best equipment, but you're also always helping your enemies to catch up.

Why is everyone assuming they are stealing this technolgoy to copy it?

The F15 and F16 engines are now 20 years old. You can buy the same level of technology from Russia or India these days. Even China has better engines based on Russian designs.

Occams Razor says that these engines are worth more as replacements for older F15/16's that are owned by countries that cant get new engines/spares from the US or cant afford them (Iran is far from the only suspect here).

Hypocrisy... (0, Troll)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237317)

If Wikileaks were to have leaked the engine plans online then Slashdot would have cheered in triumph - Information wants to be free!

However, when the *physical* engines disappear it's the fault of those sneaky Israeli rats who should have never had OUR engines in the first place.

Re:Hypocrisy... (4, Interesting)

cynyr (703126) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237485)

I think there is a difference between the info wikileaks was leaking (info on past events), and technical data for currently used devices. I would say that if wikileaks were to release plans to the engine in the P51 I wouldn't car at all. It is no longer in use, as it has been replaced by newer tech. I'm willing to bet that there is not a substantial difference between the F16 engine, and the F22/F35 ones.

I wonder how long it would take to engineer and build a jet engine with the info available on the internet about jet engines and various design issues, for example, keeping the inlet air at below super-sonic speeds while the aircraft is flying at supersonic speeds. There was an article on /. a while back about that, and I believe it included basic solution.

Prime suspects (1, Insightful)

Shavano (2541114) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237325)

The prime suspects are the Israelis themselves. They'd love to get into the fighter-aircraft business or even the jet engine business. Seriously, this is Israel, the penultimate security state. You don't get stolen military hardware out of Israel unless the government knows about it.

Re:Prime suspects (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237377)

Let me get this straight. They have the engines, and can copy them at will. But they decided to steal the engines from themselves so they can copy them. I see. You, my friend, should cut down on the weed. You and the imbecile that modded you up.

Re:Prime suspects (3, Interesting)

rtaylor (70602) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237437)

The military has the engines.

Private companies (no direct access) may want to manufacture something similar.

Re:Prime suspects (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237491)

So, in your version of the "conspiracy", this is a common criminal affair, and nothing to do with " Israel, the penultimate security state",as the OP said. Okay, but you do know that any companies in Israel working in high tech war machine engine production have connection with the military, don't you? And not just because everybody has to go through the military, one way or the other.

Re:Prime suspects (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237519)

Those evil Jews are in on everything, whatever the angle. If they fart there will always be someone blaming them for global warming or something. If they don't, sure will come some retard stating lack of Jew methane is the cause. Sheesh.

Yes! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237439)

They have the engines, and can copy them at will. But they decided to steal the engines from themselves so they can copy them.

Yes! That is how the World Wide Jewish Conspiracy works! They do something like this that way, they can plausibly deny having stolen the designs. See, if there are accused of stealing the designs and someone points out that they were in possession of the engines all along, they then can say, "But they were stolen so it can't be us!"

See? You just don't have the reasoning ability to see this clever and crafty Jewish plot! And when I find my lighter, I'll light up another toke and explain how BOTH Bush and Obama are in on this with the help of Fox News!

They want you to think they are enemies!

Re:Yes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237657)

Well either they stole it or they are incompetent guards...

Re:Yes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42238261)

Probably one of the more rational posts on /.

Re:Prime suspects (1)

icebike (68054) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237497)

I suspect something along similar lines. The borders are simply not that porous. Cover for large trucks roaming back roads is pretty scarce. I would be surprised if the engines are actually out of the country.

Re:Prime suspects (-1, Flamebait)

pmsr (560617) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237567)

Right on bro! Another doobie?

Re:Prime suspects (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237663)

You're a fucking moron, but that's to be expected from someone with your high /. ID. My guess it that is reality you are a sub-25 burger flipper who "hacks" on his PC in mom's basement between masturbating to underage girls.

Penultimate... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237643)

Seriously, this is Israel, the penultimate security state.

Which state is, therefore, the ultimate security state? Seriously, penultimate [merriam-webster.com] doesn't mean "ultimate, except with three extra prefix letters of awesome emphasis!", it means "next to last".

Re:Penultimate... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42238107)

North Korea

Re:Prime suspects (4, Informative)

Bomazi (1875554) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237727)

penultimate: that word doesn't mean what you think it does.

Re:Prime suspects (1)

qbzzt (11136) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237795)

Seriously, this is Israel, the penultimate security state.

The IDF is staffed with conscripts. Almost everybody is between the ages of 18 and 22. Almost all officers are in their early twenties. It is not the most competently run organization in the world, to say the least.

Re:Prime suspects (4, Informative)

EnsilZah (575600) | about a year and a half ago | (#42238119)

You know, Israel actually tried [wikipedia.org] getting into the fighter-aircraft business once.
And I hear it was a pretty good plane, but in the end the US and Israel came to a mutual agreement that's it would be for the best if Israel didn't export a competitor to the F-16 and Israel continued getting subsidized planed from the US.
So I doubt Israel would want to get into the fighter-aircraft business now, and anyway, Israel is doing pretty well on the UAV side of things.

Re:Prime suspects (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42238185)

"the penultimate security state"

That word ... it does not mean what you think it means.

Uh, so? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237385)

Just get a XXL titanium cartridge at the Jerusalem Staples and 3D print some new ones? Duh?

how about a warning first? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237389)

I'd like to know if I'm clicking on Wikileaks before I click, asshole. Most of you might not care, but some people do.
( yeah yeah... should have looked at the url before clicking... I know )

id10t (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237467)

If you hover your mouse pointer over the link it will show you the address. I know you are probably new to the internet so I will give you this one for free. The price jumps next time my friend.

Re:id10t (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237931)

I think he was saying that when he said "should have looked at the URL before clicking"

I can't sympathize with the guy somewhat. While he probably should have moused-over, but I too I assume usually that Slashdot articles link to new sources not the actual leaked documents. I guess it doesn't bother me to click on Wikileaks, but I can see why it would bother other people.

Re:how about a warning first? (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | about a year and a half ago | (#42238005)

Yes, if you care so much about any random site, you should check the URL. People will not put warnings about every possible problem with every link.

WikiLeaks link in the summary? (5, Insightful)

jittles (1613415) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237575)

Dear Editors:

Thank you for putting a WikiLeaks link in the story summary. I know I could have hovered over it with the mouse cursor and seen where it linked to, but I was expecting an actual news story and not WikiLeaks. You do realize that anyone who works in the Defense Industry, military, or other US Government contracting positions could lose their job over clicking that, right? It's not likely that they would be "caught" so to speak, but I thought this was a news aggregator, and would, you know, have links to the news. Thankfully I am no longer in the defense industry, and do not have to worry about losing my job.

For those of you who are about to freak out on the US Government's rules realize this: When you do work in certain areas you agree to not seek out information that is covered by a "Need to Know." The US Government has specifically said that those who work in sensitive areas are not to visit WikiLeaks, and have warned all employees and contractors. The reason is pretty simple. If you explicitly agree not to do something as a condition of employment, and you do it anyway, then you probably aren't a very trustworthy person. And anyway, I think that a proper news story would have been more informative and read better than a diplomatic cable, or whatever that document was.

Re:WikiLeaks link in the summary? (2)

RocketRabbit (830691) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237687)

You won't lose your job over clicking a Wikileaks link. More than half the traffic to Wikileaks is from .gov or .mil domains anyway.

Re:WikiLeaks link in the summary? (1, Troll)

jagapen (11417) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237739)

And just how does your choice to work for dangerous, anti-American thugs translate into the rest of the world's responsibility to edit itself?

Re:WikiLeaks link in the summary? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237799)

Should /. censor stories that criticize the Chinese government, too, since that could land a Chinese user in trouble?

When you do work in certain areas you agree to not seek out information that is covered by a "Need to Know."

I'm no military, but it was my understanding the idea behind "need to know" was to minimize damage in case of a leak. If the information is public, one should assume anyone who has an interest in that information knows it already.

The US Government has specifically said that those who work in sensitive areas are not to visit WikiLeaks, and have warned all employees and contractors.

That is creepily similar to how Scientology tells their cultists not to read certain public websites anyone can access. It isn't the cultist's fault, but it sure is weird for non-fanatics and you shouldn't expect everyone to self-censor only to make your self-imposed restrictions easier to follow.

Re:WikiLeaks link in the summary? (1)

qbzzt (11136) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237817)

You do realize that anyone who works in the Defense Industry, military, or other US Government contracting positions could lose their job over clicking that, right?

Actually, they probably didn't. This is not a well known fact, and considering all of the US's enemies already have that information, it is not obvious to people who don't have a clearance that looking at it would be a problem.

Re:WikiLeaks link in the summary? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237885)

It was discussed on slashdot.

Re:WikiLeaks link in the summary? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237897)

It was a front page story...

http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/10/01/1143233/state-dept-employee-investigated-for-linking-to-wikileaks

Is slashdot the problem here? (4, Insightful)

Isaac Remuant (1891806) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237849)

I think that this reflects a problem on those organizations. Not Slashdot.

My advice, come up with a wikileaks blocker and use it. Why deprive ANYONE else of a link just because?

Another thing. If you're at work, why browse slashdot at work? :P If you're at home, why is it that your employers control what you can or can not read in your house? It's public info.

Not quite right (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42238345)

It's public info.

Whatever you may think of Wikileaks, clearly this is not public info. It is publicly accessible but it plainly says right on the document: CONFIDENTIAL. For those who are held to an expectation of respect for that classification, just viewing it accidentally is as bad as being entirely incompetent.

Re:Not quite right (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42238545)

Publicly available means the info is now public, regardless of prior classification.

Re:WikiLeaks link in the summary? (2)

PNutts (199112) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237983)

There's probably also a lot of other types of links that can get you fired. It's your responsibility, not the editors.

Re:WikiLeaks link in the summary? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42238065)

And where in the fine print on the Slashdot FAQ does it say "We will not post links that could possibly get X group fired from Y job for clicking on said link."

I very heartily disagree with you - for all the talk of freedom on this site, this is one that shouldn't be eroded. Again, like so many others have said, your fault for clicking without at LEAST a mouse over.

Re:WikiLeaks link in the summary? (1)

LateArthurDent (1403947) | about a year and a half ago | (#42238067)

For those of you who are about to freak out on the US Government's rules realize this: When you do work in certain areas you agree to not seek out information that is covered by a "Need to Know."

I wasn't about to freak out about the US Government's rules, but I was about to freak out over your complaint on the summary.

Those rules apply to those of you who have agreed to them as a condition to the work you do. It does not apply to the rest of the population. Considering I would imagine the majority of people frequenting slashdot do not share those restrictions, it makes no sense to sensor the site as you propose.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the government requiring that people working in certain sensitive areas do not seek out information they don't have the clearance to read. However, if you have agreed to such a restriction, it is your responsibility to double-check the links you follow. It is not the responsibility of the rest of the world to make this easy for you.

War is peace! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42238173)

Freedom is slavery!
Ignorance is strength!

Re:WikiLeaks link in the summary? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42238393)

No, you don't lose your job. You immediately report your unauthorized access of classified or otherwise restricted information to your FSO, and the circumstances leading up to that access. Once you've done this, you're in the clear.

Are you a jarhead?

Re:WikiLeaks link in the summary? (1)

sootman (158191) | about a year and a half ago | (#42238513)

Funny -- usually people bitch at Slashdot for linking to crappy blogs instead of the original source.

money talks (1)

KernelMuncher (989766) | about a year and a half ago | (#42237621)

I think the most likely explanation is that somebody was paid a big fat bribe to ship the engines to a country who wanted them: China, Russia, Iran, India (?), etc.

Re:money talks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237767)

Russia can make their own engines already.

tracking things down (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237755)

One of the comments in TFA was interesting. (From memory)

Mossad can track down a terrorist cell to a specific house and take it out, but the IDF can't locate a couple of jet engines that rolled out of the base on a flatbed truck!?!?!?!?

here's what happened (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237815)

they sold them to the Chinese and make it look like "theft". It's a warning, they will sell the rest of our tech to China if we don't toe the line.

How could they be stolen? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237823)

There arent black guys or mexicans in israel. /ba-dum-tish

Re:How could they be stolen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42238023)

The cunning Jews stole the Israeli engine to take over the Israeli government. Mark my words, their next Prime Minister will be Jewish.

PW F100 used in both F-15 and F-16 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42237957)

F-15 and F-16 use the same engines F100 bult by Pratt & Whitney. So the articles need not make a distinction what aircraft they go in.

Re:PW F100 used in both F-15 and F-16 (2)

Nimey (114278) | about a year and a half ago | (#42238061)

No, some blocks of F-16s use GE F110 engines instead, which are more advanced. The only reason that some C-model F-16s use F100s is because some asshole senator decided it was more important for his district to get money than it was for DoD to save the cost of a second superfluous engine program.

Endemic Corruption (2, Insightful)

MarkvW (1037596) | about a year and a half ago | (#42238085)

How your American tax dollars are spent by Israel.

things that make you go hmmm... (2)

v1 (525388) | about a year and a half ago | (#42238219)

Israeli officials played down the loss, saying the engines were old or retired and likely stolen for scrap.

hmmm...

In 2009, two F-5 engines were stolen from an airbase in Malaysia, tracked to Argentina and ultimately located in Uruguay.

Wow those scrappers sure can go to great lengths to fence their scrap!

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