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How To Use a Linux Virtual Private Server

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the listen-up dept.

Open Source 303

Nerval's Lobster writes "Game developer David Bolton writes: 'For my development of Web games, I've hit a point where I need a Virtual Private Server. (For more on this see My Search for Game Hosting Begins.) I initially chose a Windows VPS because I know Windows best. A VPS is just an Internet-connected computer. "Virtual" means it may not be an actual physical computer, but a virtualized host, one of many, each running as if it were a real computer. Recently, though, I've run into a dead end, as it turns out that Couchbase doesn't support PHP on Windows. So I switched to a Linux VPS running Ubuntu server LTS 12-04. Since my main desktop PC runs Windows 7, the options to access the VPS are initially quite limited, and there's no remote desktop with a Linux server. My VPS is specified as 2 GB of ram, 2 CPUs and 80 GB of disk storage. The main problem with a VPS is that you have to self-manage it. It's maybe 90% set up for you, but you need the remaining 10%. You may have to install some software, edit a config file or two and occasionally bounce (stop then restart) daemons (Linux services), after editing their config files.'"

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Oh fuck (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42244841)

Hire a manager for it or learn to use it. How in hell is this in the front page?

Re:Oh fuck (5, Insightful)

xaxa (988988) | about 2 years ago | (#42244863)

Because it's from Dice: http://news.dice.com/2012/12/10/linux-virtual-private-server/ [dice.com]

(The company that bought Slashdot.)

Apt-get install clue (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 2 years ago | (#42244877)

X over SSH.

Re:Apt-get install clue (5, Insightful)

PlusFiveTroll (754249) | about 2 years ago | (#42244935)

Why the fuck would use a window manager on a server. Just a good way to increase security exposure.

The big problem here is the VPS user has no clue about his operating system, this will end in tears, most likely the hacker kind.

Second is, linux server tools don't need a GUI. Even if you had one, you'd just use it to edit txt (conf) files.

All you really need is putty and WinSCP.

Re:Apt-get install clue (2, Interesting)

houstonbofh (602064) | about 2 years ago | (#42245127)

Why do people always hate the GUI? The reason it is on computers is that people find it useful. I install the GUI tools on many of my servers. I remove gdm or lightdm as appropriate... But being able to xtunnel handy apps is one way to make my work easier. CPannel or webmin is a way other people use a GUI.


As for a security risk, that is total bullshit. You are running it all through ssh. The only exposure is ssh, and if that is hacked, why bother "hacking" x as well? (Especially since it is not running on any ports...)

Re:Apt-get install clue (2, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#42245143)

Because it is not possible to automate and not really useful.

Any task a gui can do a can be done faster without it.

Re:Apt-get install clue (1)

CodeReign (2426810) | about 2 years ago | (#42245165)

As already stated, it adds weight and security concerns. It's a lot easier to parse text than it is to store and display a video stream.

Re:Apt-get install clue (0)

cayenne8 (626475) | about 2 years ago | (#42245223)

Not to mention...if you try usinig/installing some tools, like Oracle, which forces you to use a java GUI to install and other configs....you have to have X running.

Command line only, is often not a valid paradigm, depending on what you want to do with Linux these days, especially if using commercial software on it.

Re:Apt-get install clue (0)

xaxa (988988) | about 2 years ago | (#42245347)

I've never installed the Oracle database, but there's usually a command-line option on commercial installers, even if it's not properly documented. Try running with -help, --help, -h, etc and see if it will tell you.

Re:Apt-get install clue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42245359)

Solution is to have minimul gui installed and keep it turned off until you need it. After the initial setup of something like Oracle needing the gui on the server itself is unusual. I always manage them with the management app on my workstation or via command like for tasks such as restoring test servers from backups of the production server.

Re:Apt-get install clue (3, Insightful)

Detritusher (1031752) | about 2 years ago | (#42245349)

Step 1. Learn to use *nix as it was designed to be used, through the shell. I know you skipped this step because you think cPanel is a good idea.

Re:Apt-get install clue (0)

Xtifr (1323) | about 2 years ago | (#42245369)

There's nothing wrong with the GUI. It's very useful on a desktop. But most Linux software is not designed to be administered from a GUI. There's usually no GUI interface. So, once you run RDP, that only allows you to run remote instances of the two indispensible admin tools you can already run locally: an SSH client and a web browser.

Re:Apt-get install clue (3, Informative)

rickb928 (945187) | about 2 years ago | (#42245149)

Mod this up further. And learn to use screen.

Re:Apt-get install clue (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 2 years ago | (#42245265)

Sure. I agree.

vim and /etc

The article poses the (strawman?) problem for a Windows developer, who has no GUI access to the VPS.

I'm pretty sure he could do whatever he wanted with a local VM. :-)

Other than that? All around cluelessness. He just wants a specific supported script engine on an Apache server.

Re:Apt-get install clue (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42245363)

putty and WinSCP? Why take the chance of using two third party vendors when there's pscp, which is part of the same suite as putty? (Then you only have to take the chance that putty might have some malicious code in it.)

Re:Apt-get install clue (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42244937)

Don't bother, they're just "making" news.

If it weren't for the terms vps, ubuntu and windows 7, I could have swore the article is 10 years old.

Re:Apt-get install clue (1)

hduff (570443) | about 2 years ago | (#42245383)

Don't bother, they're just "making" news.

If it weren't for the terms vps, ubuntu and windows 7, I could have swore the article is 10 years old.

I've been "bouncing daemons" since before then.

WTF is it with kids nowadays?

Other than "I did someting I think is cool", what does this article contribute? Nothing.

Re:Oh fuck (2)

Moblaster (521614) | about 2 years ago | (#42244933)

I suspect the entire post is a subtle troll to fill up an otherwise newsless day. Doing "the last 10%" is called "doing your job" to people whose job it is to manage servers. If it's not your job, hire someone and go away. That's about as subtle a non-answer a non-question, non-issue can get.

Re:Oh fuck (1)

Hatta (162192) | about 2 years ago | (#42245357)

Dat's what you think? Unbelievable.

Re:Oh fuck (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42244907)

You deserve all of the modpoints for being insightful. What the hell is happening to Slashdot? n00b posts like this followed by ads for Apple, Microsoft, and Shuttleworth.

Re:Oh fuck (1, Insightful)

kc67 (2789711) | about 2 years ago | (#42244985)

I would ask the same thing... it went from submitted, to blue, to front page...

Re:Oh fuck (1)

AvitarX (172628) | about 2 years ago | (#42245205)

Seriously, I use hostgator, and they've installed anything PHP related and configured PHP/added help with no complaints.

Via WHM it is quite easy to restart a service.

They charge $10/month for the WHM, and it includes the installs for free, so hiring someone to do it costs merely $120/year, should be quite easy to cover.

Re:Oh fuck (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42245253)

It's his first time in his life, where he's actually *using* a computer, instead of playing with colorful clickables on appliances that happen to be implemented on a computer.

Be nice to him!
What an experience are you creating, by making the first reaction one of hate? He will forever associate that with Linux.

Ahem (4, Interesting)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | about 2 years ago | (#42244849)

and there's no remote desktop with a Linux server

Spending about 3.8753 seconds on Google would reveal that there are numerous Linux remote desktop clients [techradar.com] which can be downloaded for use.

Re:Ahem (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42244915)

Also, quite possibly, the VPS host provides console access through VNC to access the virtualized "physical" screen and keyboard.

Re:Ahem (1)

omnichad (1198475) | about 2 years ago | (#42244927)

Yeah - and Ubuntu server is headless and has none of the libraries you need for that. It's a bone-headed Windows approach that's just going to eat up resources. Writer of the article used PuTTY on Windows to access over SSH and WinSCP for file transfer.

Re:Ahem (4, Informative)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | about 2 years ago | (#42245005)

Default install of Ubuntu-server is headless. You can type sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and you will have a GUI.

Re:Ahem (1)

omnichad (1198475) | about 2 years ago | (#42245271)

Yes, but does it gain you anything useful?

Re:Ahem (1)

slaker (53818) | about 2 years ago | (#42244975)

RDP clients are typically used to administer Windows machines, but as far as I know, Linux does not have an RDP server. It has VNC and X11, but both of those guys are enormous bandwidth hogs with a limited feature set compared to what RDP is capable of.

Re:Ahem (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#42245011)

So use NoX or Spice or maybe just maybe be a big boy and use SSH.

Re:Ahem (1)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | about 2 years ago | (#42245073)

Unless you are busy downloading the world repository of pr0n, gigabit ethernet is more than enough to handle VNC.

Linux does have a RDP server (4, Informative)

bmsleight (710084) | about 2 years ago | (#42245291)

www.xrdp.org
Works very well.

Re:Ahem (2)

Xtifr (1323) | about 2 years ago | (#42245313)

First of all, "enormous bandwidth hog" is completely different from "doesn't exist". Second of all, I dispute the claim WRT to VNC. And third of all, it doesn't matter since there is an RDP server [sourceforge.net] for Linux! Took me all of about 20 seconds to find.

But I agree with other posters that a remote desktop, no matter which variation you choose to use, is a poor way to administer a Linux server. If bandwidth is a concern, straight SSH uses far less than RDP. And anyway, most of the most common server software is designed to be administered via a web interface. So, what are you going to do? Use RPD to run a local web browser? Truly silly. Just make sure your admin web interfaces aren't public.

Re:Ahem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42245109)

Please read that again. He is saying that Linux servers are usually administered from the command line. This means that you can't RDP into them and get a bunch of pretty buttons to click for setup.

He is not saying that you can't connect remotely from a Linux desktop.

Re:Ahem (1)

Xtifr (1323) | about 2 years ago | (#42245335)

Actually, a whole lot of Linux servers are administered via a web interface. Which, again, makes RPD a silly, waste-of-time approach.

Re:Ahem (1)

jonadab (583620) | about 2 years ago | (#42245345)

The server is running Linux. The client desktop is Windows.

So what he actually wants is probably putty (or *possibly* VNC, if he's one of those mouse-only users, completely allergic to typing for some arcane reason), but being a Windows user he doesn't know the terminology needed to do a web search for it.

(Theoretically, there _is_ also an RDP server for Linux, but it's a niche thing, and so the hassle of trying to set it up is not recommended for someone who is new to Linux. It's much better for him to go with something on the server side that's in the standard repository. Installing Putty on the client side should be no big deal, since the client side is an OS with which he's already experienced.)

n00b (5, Insightful)

ilikenwf (1139495) | about 2 years ago | (#42244853)

If you don't know how to do this, please hire someone. And use Debian stable over ubuntu for servers. It's much more stable and much less full of Shuttleworth.

Re:n00b (4, Informative)

omnichad (1198475) | about 2 years ago | (#42244949)

Have you looked at Ubuntu Server Edition lately? They have an LTS version that's supported for 5 years of security updates without updating to a new distro release. Debian doesn't come close.

Re:n00b (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42245023)

It's not about support, it's about stability. Debian is usually less troublesome when it comes to updates and having good packages to rely on, something you can't say as much for Ubuntu Server. And it's 3 years anyway, which is plenty for a Linux OS. Upgrades are rather painless.

Re:n00b (5, Interesting)

ilikenwf (1139495) | about 2 years ago | (#42245033)

I just can't support an over commercialized, inferior, bloated distro. Debian Stable is the epitome of long term support as a result of the slow release cycle. As a result, you get security updates indefinitely and can install newer software if you want it from backports or source, or install the packages DotDeb for lamp stacks.

As a side note, I have to mention that I have never had an Ubuntu install of any type - desktop or server - that didn't fall into dependency hell upon doing a dist-upgrade. Archlinux for desktops, Debian for servers.

Re:n00b (1)

DJ Jones (997846) | about 2 years ago | (#42245201)

We all did this once, that's how we got here. We weren't all born admins. At one point in time you were in the same boat. Unless he does it himself, he's never gonna learn and then when shit hits the fan he's not gonna have the tools to fix it.

Follow this tutorial. If you don't like ISPConfig, try another setup on howtoforge and see how it works for you: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu-12.04-lts-apache2-bind-dovecot-ispconfig-3 [howtoforge.com]

And your problem is .... ? (5, Informative)

gus goose (306978) | about 2 years ago | (#42244855)

.... you are new to Linux, and you need some help?

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/FAQ [ubuntu.com]

gus

Re:And your problem is .... ? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42245001)

If you follow the link, you'll note it's not actually an "ask /." article. I think it's meant to be like a how-to, except written by someone who doesn't really know how to.
Maybe it's ironic?

Please stop (5, Insightful)

WaffleMonster (969671) | about 2 years ago | (#42244857)

Stop trolling us slashdot... this aint news and it aint a legitimate question... please just stop.

Re:Please stop (3, Insightful)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 2 years ago | (#42244993)

The above poster is insightful moreso than flamebait. It's fucking serious man. "Trolling" as in "Trolling for comments with a dumb-as-fuck baited question". Please, Slashdot. We value your minimal editorial skills, and now even those are lacking now. Stop trolling us. What's next? "How to use a Linux root terminal" posted by someone who's only ever used iPhones?

Re:Please stop (2)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 2 years ago | (#42245301)

"How do I use my keyboard? I'm so confused by the many buttons!" :-)

Try Jelastic? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42244867)

You could try php.jelastic.com which gives you the power of a server (or cloud of servers) without the server administration headache.

Expecting windows to be linux? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42244873)

Oh boo hoo, I used a Linux VPS and think it is limited because I didn't bother to learn how to use or administer Linux.

Only a windows person would want to administer a server with remote desktop.

That's an odd... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42244879)

...ly written article. It seems to end mid thought without any sense of where the article is going.

It's, as the title implies, a How To, not as the body implies, a recount of his/her experiences.

Re:That's an odd... (1)

Nuke Bloodaxe (582098) | about 2 years ago | (#42245217)

You are right, it is a mere part of the original dice article at: http://news.dice.com/2012/12/10/linux-virtual-private-server/ [dice.com] . It also does not help that the HowTo was written by someone who really does not fully well know what they are doing, and it is this sort of thing that catches out people trying to learn how to do things properly. What would help, though, would be if the guy actually got someone who knew what they were doing, and added those bits to his article so it was more complete [this is where a more collaborative blog is essential.]

For the record my first VPS was a pretty interesting beast at nosupportvpshosting.com, where you have to know what you are doing or suffer the consequences [I quite like them because they keep out of your way, plus I use it mainly for self-education purposes.] The HowTo at dice pretty much glosses over the security issues with a non-adequate solution in my opinion [if you have seen the nasty stuff flying around recently then you'll know what I mean.]

Do not bounce (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42244881)

your Deamons. They get very upset when you bounce them.
You may as needed, however, restart them from time to time.

Re:Do not bounce (2)

geminidomino (614729) | about 2 years ago | (#42245163)

Don't anthropomorphize your daemons. They hate that!

Self-hosted for development (2)

DavidClarkeHR (2769805) | about 2 years ago | (#42244891)

As a development environment, I'm not sure why you're not willing to go with a cheap, $200 local/self-hosted server. If you really need to test it online, you could set it up to host to the web, access it over the web, save yourself the monthly hosting fee, and install/configure it how you like.

Re:Self-hosted for development (1)

PlusFiveTroll (754249) | about 2 years ago | (#42244961)

Why do that, my way over powered windows box can run 4 virtual servers with 2GB of ram each with plenty to spare. Just download VirtualBox and setup a test server on your own machine. Should work exactly like a VPS

Re:Self-hosted for development (2)

xaxa (988988) | about 2 years ago | (#42245141)

I'll try and make the first useful comment of the discussion (so, it has nothing to do with the article).

I've been using Vagrant [vagrantup.com] to manage development VMs. It automates using VirtualBox. There's an example on that homepage:
$ vagrant box add base http://files.vagrantup.com/lucid32.box [vagrantup.com]
$ vagrant init
$ vagrant up
which leaves you will a running Ubuntu lucid install. Apart from the once-only download of the base image, it takes about 15 seconds to do this.

I've customised the vagrant configuration and added Puppet scripts, so it takes about 30 seconds to bring up my base box (which includes Apache, Tomcat, etc), download the software I've written from a Maven repository, and deploy it to Tomcat. My colleagues have a clone of the base box I produced

The operations team are in the process of producing a set of Puppet scripts for the production (UAT, etc) servers. Once they've done that, I'll make my Vagrant VM a reasonable derivation of the live environment.

Another tool, veewee, automates producing Vagrant boxes. I've not had time to look at this myself, but as far as I can see it automates setting up a VM (configuring discs, network, etc) and installing an OS, then exporting the resulting drive. I don't need many different host environments, but if you were testing some software against many different Linuxes or otherwise frequently installing Linux on VMs it could be useful.

Seriously? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42244895)

Linux has plenty of remote desktop software. 5 minutes with google would have revealed your choice of VNC, NX, or (my favourite) X11rdp.

Grow a pair and read some man pages (5, Insightful)

earlzdotnet (2788729) | about 2 years ago | (#42244897)

What exaclty were you expecting? If you want your server to be all setup for you, you'll buy a managed server, and pay a hefty price-premium for them holding your hand the whole time. If you want to save money, then you'll read some man pages and tutorials and figure out how to set it up on your own. Also, if you think you "need" a GUI on your server, then you obviously aren't all that well experienced with server management. If you really can't do any of this on your own, hire a sysadmin. Any sysadmin worth their weight in salt know how to use a linux command line to setup something as easy as PHP and Apache. Hell, most VPS services these days provide template VPSs with these services already setup

This is Slashdot... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42244905)

Shouldn't everyone here not only know the information presented, but know it to a better degree than it was presented here? O.o

Find free cloud hosting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42244911)

Heroku?

Why is this here? (2, Insightful)

neorush (1103917) | about 2 years ago | (#42244923)

What in the world is this crap? I think anyone here who doesn't know:
A. What a VPS is.
B. How to configure a VPS (a.k.a SERVER ).
Does know how to use Google. WTH editors.

Re:Why is this here? (2)

nschubach (922175) | about 2 years ago | (#42245097)

As much as I'd love to agree... (though, I still mainly agree with the "Google it" suggestion)... There are new people coming along all the time that may not know how to configure a VPS or even know what it is. Even in my day job I find that I have to explain things over and over again to the new people that have never dealt with something. I can't expect that everyone I talk to in my field knows everything I do and I may have to re-iterate some of my knowledge from time to time.

Wow, just wow. (5, Funny)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 2 years ago | (#42244945)

and there's no remote desktop with a Linux server.

HAHAHAHAHA. Oh? You're serious? ALLOW ME TO LAUGH HARDER!

remote desktop to what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42244953)

Ubuntu server doesn't have a gui. So what are you remoting into see?

The answer is SSH, and if you didn't know that...you may have some things to learn before you attempt what you are attempting.

How did this subject ended on /. frontpage ??? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42244963)

We are not the 1st of April...

Re:How did this subject ended on /. frontpage ??? (1, Offtopic)

kc67 (2789711) | about 2 years ago | (#42245017)

Steamlined from Dice... Slashdot is going downhill :(

Idiotic Story (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42244987)

This is an idiotic post! The editors should remove it.

Slashdot has died (4, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#42244989)

Slashdot is dead, and this is its rotting corpse.

WTF, I see why Taco left.

No remote desktop in linux? Oh teh noes might have to use SSH like a big boy.

Re:Slashdot has died (2, Insightful)

xaxa (988988) | about 2 years ago | (#42245215)

Slashdot is dead, and this is its rotting corpse.

Where shall we all go, then?

WTF, I see why Taco left.

No remote desktop in linux? Oh teh noes might have to use SSH like a big boy.

That's not the best bit. From the fine^W fucking article:

This is very handy if you don’t like the terminal file editor Vi (or Vim), as WinSCP provides an easier way to edit config files.

and this:

I started on PCs back in the pre-Windows days when DOS command line was the only game in town, but honestly, trying to navigate around a directory tree from a command line is a bit tedious! With WinSCP, it becomes easier as you get a higher-level view of the folder structure.

This bit's odd:

Interestingly, the Linux VPS seems about 10 times faster than the same spec Windows VPS.

(I don't mind the guy having his blog, and everyone starts learning somewhere. There's just no way it belongs on /., let alone the front page! I wonder if chose to write it, thinking it was useful, or was told to write it for Dice?)

30 posts (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42245007)

30 posts, and not one of them helpful. RTFM NOOB!!!!!oneone!!!!!

And you wonder why Linux is still reserved for unwashed hippies and their servers?

Re:30 posts (2)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 2 years ago | (#42245161)

This is a forum level post, not a front-page Slashdot level.

Re:30 posts (3, Funny)

Revotron (1115029) | about 2 years ago | (#42245175)

This is akin to someone writing into Car & Driver asking,

"HOW TO DRIVE CAR???? PLZ HELP!!"

Sigh, really? (2)

ledow (319597) | about 2 years ago | (#42245015)

I hope this is a joke.

I already gave up on Slashdot once, and kept an eye on it and the quality visibly improved for a while.

If this is the level of crap that we're going to post, I'm happy to abandon the whole site again. I didn't miss it much for its absence.

P.S. If people here don't already know what a VPS is, how to run one, or how to pick holes in that article, this isn't the kind of website I want to frequent, and that's the USERS. The editors / posters? They should know better, ffs.

So far, an article on "Business Intelligence", a video about a fecking jacket, and this article have been enough to undo 10+ years of coming here.

This article/question seriously hurts my feelings (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42245027)

As a slashdotter of about 10 years, I am seriously hurt that this made it to front page. I have made numerous submissions over that period of time, all of which I thought were unique, fresh and informative. None of them ever made it to the front page. Now this cotton-picking moron gets front page exposure? I might not be coming back to this site for a while :/

SSH (2)

hobarrera (2008506) | about 2 years ago | (#42245045)

Use SSH. If you're stuck with windows on the client side, just install cygwin.
Why is this on the frontpage? Is it meant to be a "ask slashdot"? Or just really lame news?

Re:SSH (1)

StueyNZ (2657297) | about 2 years ago | (#42245117)

Or if Cygwin is too much work.....try installing FireSSH [mozilla.org]

Am I at the right website? (1)

pengc99 (2736289) | about 2 years ago | (#42245053)

I don't understand why this is on the front page on SLASHDOT

Re:Am I at the right website? (5, Funny)

Revotron (1115029) | about 2 years ago | (#42245093)

Sorry, the DNS lines must have gotten crossed. This is actually Yahoo! Answers.

Re:Am I at the right website? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42245187)

I don't understand what he expects to do once he has a desktop environment running on his server. That's a huge commitment of resources just to open up a terminal emulator.

Easy.. (1)

Saxen (1044050) | about 2 years ago | (#42245057)

Webmin

Dumbest Article Ever (5, Insightful)

Revotron (1115029) | about 2 years ago | (#42245079)

Let me transpose this article to emphasize just how incredibly stupid this submission is:

Hey guys, I'm a game developer and my computer doesn't run things that I need to use to develop games. So I bought a new computer. You see, a computer is a machine that runs software and computes things for you. It has a mouse, a keyboard, and a monitor. Some computers are big, but others are small. For instance, the computer I bought has 4GB of memory. That is more memory than other computers that have 2GB. When you buy a computer, it's maybe 90% set up for you, but you need to install the remaining 10% of things that you'll use and change the settings so it runs the way you like it. Computers are so neat.

This article isn't even asking a fucking question. It's just somebody telling the Slashdot crowd what a VPS is. What the fuck?

Late to the party? (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | about 2 years ago | (#42245083)

What geek DOESNT have a VPS, or at least an Amazon instance that you can fire up from time to time?

Re:Late to the party? (1)

Unknown Lamer (78415) | about 2 years ago | (#42245113)

I don't, but then again I have a quarter cab filled with servers ;)

if we're at this point already... (1)

voot545 (2633797) | about 2 years ago | (#42245087)

any competent alternatives? I like coming here to learn things...

SSH and PuTTY... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42245089)

are your friends...for common adminsitrative tasks, that's all you need.

I don't understand your question (4, Interesting)

Omnifarious (11933) | about 2 years ago | (#42245103)

I've run Linux at home for ages. I use my Linux computer at home for email, development, and a whole host of other things. I don't need a remote desktop. The whole concept of one is completely foreign to the Linux world. Nobody would ever make one because the idea is pointless in a Linux environment.

ssh and the command line are all you really need, and they are significantly more flexible and powerful than any GUI I have used. And if you really need a GUI, that's what X11 is for. X11 is completely network transparent. You can run an X11 program on any random computer and have it display just fine on your desktop.

I don't know how to find a good X11 'server' (yes, the thing that runs on your desktop and actually pushes pixels around on behalf of GUI programs is a 'server' because it performs services (manipulating your display) on the behalf of clients) for Windows is. But you should investigate and get one if you really must have a GUI.

I actually find Windows reliance on remote desktops to be really primitive and constraining. Whenever I try to mess with how Windows is supposed to work through a GUI I'm always left wondering what really just happened. So many little invisible things and no way to really see how they all interact. You just have to trust the partial fiction displayed to you to be a reasonable reflection of the underlying reality. It's very frustrating and cumbersome.

* face-palm* (0)

jameshofo (1454841) | about 2 years ago | (#42245119)

Please, if your going to manufacture news get someone who's proficient in Linux to write so the source sounds somewhat credible,

FTA
"Unusually for Ubuntu, the server does have a root account, and the VPS provides you with root access, so no sudo command is needed."
thank god they went through the trouble of "sudo passwd nubjob"

No no don't stop testing our product before we start charging for it!
"Now that it’s set up, you can’t just ignore it. If you do, your website or worse your VPS may eventually fall over. Plesk auto-upgrades itself, and on the Windows VPS, that used to break a website. I was using PostgreSQL, and with every new update of Plesk, the PostgreSQL drivers were unhooked."

I can't wait to get my auto-breaking I mean updating server! And this is better than a free VirtualBox VM how?

Although I have to give them cu-do's for reminding me to look up the chroot jail equivalent for Linux! http://wiki.linux-vserver.org/Overview [linux-vserver.org]

There is an RDP server for linux (1)

Wokan (14062) | about 2 years ago | (#42245133)

Install xrdp on the server. It allows you to connect to a Linux server using the Windows RDP client. Just make sure you have a secure tunnel to the virtual server to work in.

We all started some where.. Keep learning! (1)

skade88 (1750548) | about 2 years ago | (#42245135)

This is the basic stuff we all started with at some point in our Linux server lives. Good on you for making the jump from Windows to Linux. It can be a big change from the hand-holding Microsoft has forced on you, but keep at it and you will find a whole new powerful world of computing open up to you. If its from the power of regular expressions in VIM and Grep or the simplicity of LVM and everything in between, you will find your Linux experience will open your eyes to a whole new world you never knew existed.

Thanks for the information (5, Funny)

lsolano (398432) | about 2 years ago | (#42245183)

A VPS is just an Internet-connected computer. "Virtual" means it may not be an actual physical computer, but a virtualized host, one of many, each running as if it were a real computer.

I did not know that and I bet, almost no one here on /. either.

I bet almost everyone on /. knows what a VPS is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42245379)

You bet wrong. I'd be very surprised if most people on slashdot didn't know this (search for VPS in the /. search field above).

The original poster just needs to by a book on managing linux from the command line and install putty and he is good to go. There really isn't much more to say.

Graphical access to your Linux VPS (1)

dowdle (199162) | about 2 years ago | (#42245189)

I'm a long time OpenVZ user. I don't know if your "VPS" is a container or a full-blown VM running under KVM or Xen... but if you want graphical access to a desktop environment I'd recommend using xrdp. xrdp is an RDP service for Linux. xrdp uses VNC underneath but it is transparent to the user who uses any RDP client they like. Many distros package xrdp.

I've used xrdp on physical systems, KVM virtual machines, and inside of OpenVZ containers and it seems to work equally well.

If you have a very limited set of packages installed, you'll probably have to install a desktop environment first. Get to know your package manager from the command line... rpm/dpkg or yum/apt-get.

Why I Use A Hosted Solution (0)

ios and web coder (2552484) | about 2 years ago | (#42245195)

I write code.

I am quite capable of administering a LINUX server, but I'm nowhere near as efficient (or capable) as an experienced LINUX geek.

Server admins are more than welcome to dis me on the matter. That's OK. Because I'm not a server admin. I'm nice enough not to dis back on things like TDD, OOP, Design Patterns, and asynchronous handling.

At home, I run a Mac server as the source server. There are a number of reasons for the choice, but the most basic one is that I have spent, literally, months trying to maintain the services that I need with an Ubuntu server box, and I spend minutes getting the same result with the Mac. I could care less whether or not it adds to my "geek cred." I have plenty of that.

For my Web sites, I run a hosted plan. I did use a VPS (CENTOS) for a couple of years, but it just wasn't worth it. My hosted plan is a "reseller account." It lets me do everything I need.

If I want to get fancy, I tweak the Apache/PHP/Perl/CGI/MySQL/Postgres server on my laptop, and use something called VirtualHostsX to mimic a hosted solution.

However, I like to spend most of my time writing compiled code (as it requires most of my time.

I agree. This is a non-front-page-of/. story.

SSH is insecure? (2)

hawguy (1600213) | about 2 years ago | (#42245251)

In the linked article, the author says:

Logging in to the root account, even over SSH, is potentially a little risky. If a key-logger gets installed on my desktop PC or a hacker breaks the password, then it’s game over. It’s possible to configure SSH on the server to use a public key/private key for remote logging, so I’m looking into setting that up.

Why is a a key-logger an issue for SSH, but not for whatever mechanism he'd use to manage a Windows server?

Logging on as root is risky, but not because of a keylogger - if he'd logged on with a non-root account that has sudo access, he wouldn't be any more secure. Using SSH public/private keys is definitely a good idea, but if someone has been able to install a keylogger on your computer, then there is no reason to think that they can't also grab your SSH keys and the passphrase to the keys.

This is not news, go away (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42245263)

Get this shit off of Slashdot! This is what a 12 year old with a "how to" book can figure out, this is not news.

/. has fallen so far (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42245299)

This article was a slap in the face. Okay, I get it. Slashdot is no longer news for nerds. Goodbye, /. it was educational for a long time.

Bad article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42245331)

Seriously this is the worst /. post ever :(

Get a copy of linux for dummies. Have fun.

It is a wonder... (3, Insightful)

drkich (305460) | about 2 years ago | (#42245353)

It is a wonder Linux has such an image problem with anyone, but the converted. Granted this article may not be the best, but let's do a quick google search for the actual article that the poster is refering to:

http://news.dice.com/2012/12/10/linux-virtual-private-server/ [dice.com]

David Bolton talks about what he did. Good or bad, he documents it and shares it with his readers.

What do I read here, explatives, degrading remarks, and just plain snobbery. Here and there are some useful remarks. What I was hoping is to read a helpful discussion on what he recommends/did and what could be done better and how. There is so much vitriol to sort through, I don't even bother.

Pathetic.

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