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Humans Have Been Eating Cheese For At Least 7,500 Years

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the beating-the-sarlacc's-record dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Researchers have found conclusive evidence for the first time that humans have been making cheese since the 6th millennium BC."

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Wow. (4, Funny)

roc97007 (608802) | about 2 years ago | (#42279399)

Thanks. That question has been keeping me up nights.

Re:Wow. (4, Funny)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | about 2 years ago | (#42279775)

It kept early man up too, but that's because the cheese gave them nightmares.

No, (2, Funny)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about 2 years ago | (#42279981)

it gave the guy that walked behind him nightmares.

Re:Wow. (4, Funny)

anagama (611277) | about 2 years ago | (#42279897)

Thanks. I had thought slashdot a place for people who had an interest in the world and science. Glad I've been disabused of that notion.

Soooo, what's your favorite episode of Jersey Shore?

Re:Wow. (5, Funny)

Holladon (1620389) | about 2 years ago | (#42280195)

What are you, some kind of anti-cheesite?

Talking about cheese is ALWAYS appropriate, in ANY context, and EATING cheese is even more appropriate. Anyone who says otherwise is an unrepetant philistine utterly lacking in taste and sophistication.

Good DAY.

Re:Wow. (2)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | about 2 years ago | (#42280699)

Except if it is toe-cheese. ;-)

Re:Wow. (2)

roc97007 (608802) | about 2 years ago | (#42280863)

Welllll, I freely admit I'm not the most brilliant of conversationalists, but I'm pretty sure there's a fairly wide range of topics that aren't cheese or puerile reality shows.

But if you want to talk about how Jersey Shore could be merged with Final Destination, I might be interested.

And cutting the cheese (5, Funny)

colin_faber (1083673) | about 2 years ago | (#42279401)

for many many eons. :)

Obvious geek question (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | about 2 years ago | (#42279411)

Okay, but when did they figure out how to make pizza?

Re:Obvious geek question (1)

colin_faber (1083673) | about 2 years ago | (#42279497)

With Cheese? 1889

Re:Obvious geek question (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42280153)

Wikipedia knows not all. According to this history [whatscookingamerica.net] , a flat bread baked with cheese on top goes back as far as the 6th century BC and the "modern" pizza goes back as far as the early 1500s.

nope (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42280381)

apple now has a patent on that , rounded edges right
well a circle is definatly rounded...PWNED

Re:Obvious geek question (1)

SomePgmr (2021234) | about 2 years ago | (#42280557)

I guess I shouldn't be surprised but wikipedia has it covered, well in excess of Linda Stradley's history and legends post, there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_pizza [wikipedia.org]

Yes, there's a whole separate entry for the history bits.

Re:Obvious geek question, answered (5, Interesting)

WebManWalking (1225366) | about 2 years ago | (#42280605)

It was prophesied somewhere in the first 6 books of the Aeneid that Aeneas and his men would someday be so hungry, they would eat their plates.

Somewhere in the second 6 books, there came a time, after a battle or something, when they had broken all their dinnerware. Someone had the idea to flatten out some dough, put the food on top of it and cook them all together, baking the bread and cooking the food at the same time. While they were eating, Aeneas' son Iulus said hey look everybody, we're eating our plates! Most thought it was just a joke and laughed, but the elders didn't laugh. They were amazed and recognized it as the fulfillment of prophesy made before Iulus was born.

So when you're in Italy and you hear of some restaurant claiming to have invented pizza in medieval times, be sure to ask them, really? How was it that Virgil was able to discuss something that your restaurant hadn't invented yet? Or something similarly snarky.

Rather quickly (2)

Kergan (780543) | about 2 years ago | (#42280785)

Pretty much every culture has its version of the pancake [wikipedia.org] , and has had it or variations of it for millennia. Pancakes in its various iterations is one of the oldest recipes out there (sorry I couldn't find the reference off two minutes of googling, but it's basically contemporary with agriculture itself if memory serves). Thus, you can be pretty sure someone tried pancakes with cheese in an oh-so-unmodern way. It's not exactly pizza, but it's pretty close.

Ob... (5, Funny)

mrsquid0 (1335303) | about 2 years ago | (#42279435)

Blessed are the cheese makers.

Re:Ob... (5, Funny)

oneiros27 (46144) | about 2 years ago | (#42280051)

It's not meant to be taken literally. It refers to any manufacturer of dairy products

Re:Ob... (1)

timeOday (582209) | about 2 years ago | (#42280793)

Since you are paraphrasing Jesus, just think, anything he said was already 3/4 of the way from 7500 years ago until now. I find it hard to wrap my mind around how long people were sentient beings with fully developed social interactions (and cheese!) before they figured out writing and "history" began.

...well, that explains a few things (2)

MindPrison (864299) | about 2 years ago | (#42279463)

...that people back in those days actually believed that the moon was one BIG ball of cheese
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moon_is_made_of_green_cheese

I keep thinking about milking the first cow... (4, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | about 2 years ago | (#42279523)

People must have looked on and though, "What they heck is he/she doing there?!? Oh my!"

Re:I keep thinking about milking the first cow... (2)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 2 years ago | (#42279699)

People must have looked on and though, "What they heck is he/she doing there?!? Oh my!"

Oh, come on, that was a cheesy joke.

Re:I keep thinking about milking the first cow... (4, Funny)

N0Man74 (1620447) | about 2 years ago | (#42280025)

People must have looked on and though, "What they heck is he/she doing there?!? Oh my!"

Oh, come on, that was a cheesy joke.

Are you intolerant of lactose humor?

Re:I keep thinking about milking the first cow... (1)

Holladon (1620389) | about 2 years ago | (#42280223)

People must have looked on and though, "What they heck is he/she doing there?!? Oh my!"

Oh, come on, that was a cheesy joke.

Are you intolerant of lactose humor?

Stop it. Stop it right this instant, before I moorder you all.

Re:I keep thinking about milking the first cow... (1)

Convector (897502) | about 2 years ago | (#42280353)

It wouldn't have been that remarkable, because people had been already been milking sheep and possibly goats for millenia by the time the cow was domesticated.

Re:I keep thinking about milking the first cow... (4, Funny)

abarrow (117740) | about 2 years ago | (#42280357)

I've always wondered how to first guy to drink milk from a cow was able to get the second guy to do it.

Re:I keep thinking about milking the first cow... (1)

Specter (11099) | about 2 years ago | (#42280613)

Triple dog dare...duh.

Sharp (1)

AG the other (1169501) | about 2 years ago | (#42279535)

Now that would be some well aged sharp cheese.

Re:Sharp (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42279709)

The Apple cheese has a sleeker UI.

More research needed (1)

charlesbakerharris (623282) | about 2 years ago | (#42279561)

Are we sure this just isn't a grilled cheese sandwich that looks like it has Noah's face on it?

Yes, because cheese is.. (-1)

dehole (1577363) | about 2 years ago | (#42279567)

News for nerds, stuff that matters. Seems that slashdot has become another avenue for main stream media posts...

MOD PARENT DOWN!!!1111111111 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42279669)

YUO r a WAIST Of electrons. THIS DOES MATER b/c it is historicaly RELEVANT.

Re:Yes, because cheese is.. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42279877)

This may come as a shock to you, but some of us find our history interesting and want to learn something other than the difference between the GPL 2.0 and GPL 3.0 or how much skin some "genius" chews off his foot in public places. This is interesting because it represented a huge leap forward for humans. It meant a greater variety of food sources were available which makes eating a much more stable proposition. It also meant that people could start making longer term plans.

When those sorts of things happen the result is time to pursue things like "knowledge" and a greater understanding of the world around us. The reason that dweebs like us are free to enrich ourselves (i.e. browse pr0n on the web) is because it takes fewer people to produce the food that we eat. Obtaining sustenance is kinda high up on the list of priorities and is something everybody either does or thinks about multiple times per day.

So yeah, this is kind of big news. This is a case where the information is in the main stream media because it is interesting for us as well as for the normals. Rather than complain that other people are interested in nerdy shit we should be happy that other people still have enough of a sense of curiosity to learn about this instead of simply trying to reach for the remote why spilling their cheetos all over themselves as they try to turn to the cartoon channel to get away from intesmegmalectual crap like this.

Oh yeah, and next time you see something that is not interesting to you, you might want to try not complaining about it rather than trying to belittle anyone around you who might find it interesting. You know, kinda like the assholes who are always scoffing at your interest in the latest developments in the Python code base and how it impacts the postgrsql connector class.

Re:Yes, because cheese is.. (2)

N0Man74 (1620447) | about 2 years ago | (#42280131)

I remember seeing a scientific magazine discussing the history and chemistry of bread and beer, and how it was unclear which came first in history or whether or not one helped lead to the other.

That article was 20 years ago, and it is probably only one of 3 articles I can even remember specifically from the history of that magazine.

The interests of "nerds" are varied, and honestly I think you are an idiot and don't really understand "nerd" culture (no pun intended) if you are so narrow-minded that you think that the history of cheese isn't something that would not be interesting to a significant number of nerds.

Next up on Mythbusters (1)

BLToday (1777712) | about 2 years ago | (#42279593)

Can we make cheese like our ancestors did 7,500 years ago? Then we'll blow it up with some C4.

Humans have been eating cheese... (0)

CosaNostra Pizza Inc (1299163) | about 2 years ago | (#42279595)

and they've been cutting it for much longer.

Cheese (-1, Redundant)

rwise2112 (648849) | about 2 years ago | (#42279597)

Humans Have Been Eating Cheese For At Least 7,500 Years

... and cutting the cheese even longer

I need new glasses. (1)

JustAnotherIdiot (1980292) | about 2 years ago | (#42279647)

I read this as "humans have been eating chinese"

Re:I need new glasses. (1)

cvtan (752695) | about 2 years ago | (#42279681)

Silly human. There is no Chinese cheese. (And if there is, I want to hear about it.)

Yes there is Chinese cheese. (2)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about 2 years ago | (#42280001)

There are many different minority groups in China. Groups such as the Mongols have made cheese for thousands of years. The majority Han population make and use cheese, but it seems to be more of an imported idea from other cultures.

Re:Yes there is Chinese cheese. (2)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#42280217)

No, there is very little cheese. Not a lot of Diary in the history of China, that's why 95% are lactose intolerant.

Re:I need new glasses. (4, Interesting)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 2 years ago | (#42280245)

I worked at a cheese shop when I was in University and we sold cheese from all over the world. I always thought it odd that there was no cheese from China. There's Cheese from India, the middle east, europe, south america. Just about everywhere. I can't recall any cheese coming from the far east, and I've never seen cheese a chinese restaurant (except the big buffet ones that server everything from french fries to kraft dinner to General Tao's chicken to tripe) I don't recall any cheese from Africa either. I wonder why some cultures developed cheese while others didn't. Why, even if they hadn't invented it on their own, why they didn't start making it once the cultures mixed.

Re:I need new glasses. (1)

PlastikMissle (2498382) | about 2 years ago | (#42280491)

Not sure about sub-Saharan Africa, but North Africa produces a lot of cheese.

Re:I need new glasses. (2)

fremsley471 (792813) | about 2 years ago | (#42280719)

Two big shocks on entering American food/drink culture coming from the UK. A big one was how much a bar != a pub. But bigger was for a nation who consumes so much food, how can its cheese be this bad? 300 million people, surely there's room for a few hundred local decent cheeses? Are there any excellent and widely available varieties?

Re:I need new glasses. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42279723)

Hurr hurr. Can we please just ban anyone trying to make these "Herp derp! I read this as [insert lame attempt at being funny be changing one of the words in the title]" posts?

Re:I need new glasses. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42279801)

They've been eating Chinese for 7500 years... still hungry 30 mins later.

Re:I need new glasses. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42280073)

I read this as "humans have been eating chinese"

Well, what do you think the Yangshao were eating? Italian?

Cheese (4, Insightful)

Ossifer (703813) | about 2 years ago | (#42279661)

Cheese is made from milk.

Mod Parent Up (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42279887)

+1 Insightful.

Re:Cheese (0)

mcgrew (92797) | about 2 years ago | (#42280359)

Wow, we sure have some ignorant moderators. Who doesn't know that cheese is made from milk? And since someone earlier made a joke about milking a cow, it's both overrated AND redundant.

Please, slashdot, bring back the old style metamoderation, at least two moderators are so uninformed that they think "cheese is made of milk" is insightful.

BTW, I'm offtopic. Waste your mod points on me.

Re:Cheese (1)

multicoregeneral (2618207) | about 2 years ago | (#42280483)

Well, you know... you can make cheese with any number of things that don't involve milk, or even dairy products at all, for that matter. Figure that's worth some mod points? I do. And might I add that anyone who mods this up is both brilliant and good looking?

Re:Cheese (1)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | about 2 years ago | (#42280541)

Wow, an after all these years basic humor still escapes some readers.

There is SERIOUS need for a "Woosh" moderation.

Re:Cheese (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42280881)

Who doesn't know that cheese is made from milk?

Americans?

*Ducks*

Seriously, what do you expect in a country that considers pizza to be a vegetable?

Re:Cheese (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42280671)

What? Don't tell me milk comes from cow...

aka (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42279663)

Hey! See that thing over there with the legs? Let's make stuff from the stuff that comes out of it.

Re:aka (1)

anagama (611277) | about 2 years ago | (#42279939)

Its thinking like that enabled your forebears to survive and produce you. As for you, what will you do now that Twinkies are gone?

Re:aka (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#42280391)

You are aware most things under that list you link to are incorrect, or not logical comparisons, right?

Of course you don't. thinking about them would go against your hate.

Re:aka (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42280113)

Hey! See that thing over there with the legs? Let's hack it up and eat certain parts of it.
Hey! Se that thing over there? Let's dry it out, grind up the seeds, heat it, and make stuff out of that.
Hey! See that thing over there? Let's take the seeds, add water, add yeast, and drink it!

They didn't have the convenience of buying Twinkies you fat fuck.

Re:aka (2)

Holladon (1620389) | about 2 years ago | (#42280325)

Hey! See that thing over there with the legs? Let's make stuff from the stuff that comes out of it.

This is technically descriptive of the male contribution to sexual reproduction.

In Soviet Russia... (1)

dryriver (1010635) | about 2 years ago | (#42279667)

...cheese has been eating humans since 1917!!!

Oblig: Yes, but... (-1)

stevegee58 (1179505) | about 2 years ago | (#42279719)

...how long have humans been cutting cheese?

Young earth asshat (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42279727)

But the earth is only 5000 years old!!!

Re:Young earth asshat (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42280461)

"But the earth is only 5000 years old!!!"

6015 years (4004BC + 2012AD -1 (there was no year 0)

Hovmästarsås (2)

KiloByte (825081) | about 2 years ago | (#42279751)

Try to put a sauce named "hovmästarsås" on your cheese. So good it becomes hard to eat cheese without it. Those ignorant Swedes waste it entirely on salmon (hence its second name, "gravlaxsås") which is a profanation. Can be often bought in IKEAs, or made on your own.

Evidence for eating? (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 2 years ago | (#42279755)

OK, so they have evidence of humans making cheese back then. But where is the evidence that they were eating that cheese? :-)

Re:Evidence for eating? (1)

Holladon (1620389) | about 2 years ago | (#42280393)

OK, so they have evidence of humans making cheese back then. But where is the evidence that they were eating that cheese? :-)

1. They were alive, capable of eating, and in possession of taste buds.

2. THEREFORE THEY ATE THE CHEESE.

Boom, easiest proof ever.

Fermeted Cheese (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42279763)

Assuming prostitution has been around for 1000's of years, so has smegma... there's your cheese

Cheese is spoiled milk (1)

mspohr (589790) | about 2 years ago | (#42279769)

Cheese is just spoiled milk just like wine is spoiled grapes and beer is spoiled grain.
This has been going on as long as these things have existed.
Hungry people will try to eat anything even if it has spoiled. Fortunately, sometimes when things spoil, they get better (but don't try this with meat).

Re:Cheese is spoiled milk (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42279889)

Fermentation is not the same thing as spoiling.

Re:Cheese is spoiled milk (1)

Holladon (1620389) | about 2 years ago | (#42280411)

No, but spoiling is probably how they learned about fermentation.

Re:Cheese is spoiled milk (2)

demonlapin (527802) | about 2 years ago | (#42279915)

You've never heard of aged beef?

Re:Cheese is spoiled milk (1)

mspohr (589790) | about 2 years ago | (#42280079)

I've heard of it but I don't think it's "spoiled"... i.e. it's not infected with bacteria or yeast.
Good old Wikipedia gives an answer:
"The process changes beef by two means. Firstly, moisture is evaporated from the muscle. This creates a greater concentration of beef flavour and taste. Secondly, the beef’s natural enzymes break down the connective tissue in the muscle, which leads to more tender beef."

Re:Cheese is spoiled milk (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#42280261)

". it's not infected with bacteria or yeast."
wha? that's not what spoiled means.

Spoiled: To become unfit for use or consumption,

Re:Cheese is spoiled milk (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#42280249)

No, it isn't spoiled milk.. or spoiled grain.

But the Earth is only 6000 years old (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42279795)

Something smells fishy

You blaspheme! (1)

Andy Prough (2730467) | about 2 years ago | (#42280123)

Everyone knows that the Earth is exactly 6016 years old: "Most conservative groups within Christianity still follow the estimate of Dr. John Lightfoot, a 17th century Anglican clergyman. He estimated that creation occurred during 4004 BCE. Bishop James Ussher in the 17th century made the same estimate a decade later, and ended up with almost all the credit." http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_date.htm [religioustolerance.org]

Re:But the Earth is only 6000 years old (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42280833)

Something smells fishy

must be the cheese

Mod: WGAF (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42279857)

Who gives a fuck? Not even the person writing the summary apparently...

That explains why... (1)

kc67 (2789711) | about 2 years ago | (#42279901)

my first word as a baby was cheese.

Re:That explains why... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42280117)

no. that means you're a packers fan.. even if you bleed vikings purple you're still genetically a packers fan.

Archealogical Evidence (1)

Sigvatr (1207234) | about 2 years ago | (#42279907)

Further credence has been given to the theory after a seven thousand year old can of Cheez Whiz was discovered at an archaeological dig in present day Chicago.

And... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42279951)

And humans have been cutting them for a lot longer.

Give me a break... (1)

reve_etrange (2377702) | about 2 years ago | (#42279975)

It was the first time that researchers had discovered that the ancient civilization used bowls for specific purposes.

Honestly, I'm at a loss for words.

Re:Give me a break... (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#42280287)

Why? It's a specific type of bowl that has a single purpose. Unless you have evidence of an older one?

Re:Give me a break... (1)

reve_etrange (2377702) | about 2 years ago | (#42280753)

TFA makes it sound like they were surprised to find that individual bowls were ever used for a specific item. In other words, that the ancient people were capable of using multiple bowls to prevent their ingredients from mixing...

To eat cheese is to be human. (5, Interesting)

goodmanj (234846) | about 2 years ago | (#42280015)

Making and eating cheese, beer, and bread define what it is to be fully human. Any dirty ape can go club a mammoth and bring it back to its den, but to domesticate two different kinds of creatures (a mammal and a bacterium, or a grass and a yeast) and use one to rot the other and come out with something even tastier than the original? That requires massive intelligence, communication, tool use, planning, and social structure.

(PS: if any modern cultures exist that don't eat cheese, beer, or bread, I don't mean to imply that they're not fully human. Their current environment might not have the resources to do these things, but you can bet their ancestors knew how.)

Re:To eat cheese is to be human. (0)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#42280347)

SO humans before those were invented where human?

Lactose persistence is a recent evolutionary development. So most people eating this cheese had a bad reaction to it... unless it was invented as a type of baby food? hmmm.

Another note, the vast majority of adult human being can not digest cheese, or diary.

Re:To eat cheese is to be human. (3, Insightful)

Holladon (1620389) | about 2 years ago | (#42280429)

(PS: if any modern cultures exist that don't eat cheese, beer, or bread, I don't mean to imply that they're not fully human.

Maybe not, but with no cheese, no bread, and no beer, WHAT IS THE DAMN POINT.

We've eaten cheese a lot longer than that (2)

puppetman (131489) | about 2 years ago | (#42280133)

The stomach of a young mammal naturally turns milk into curds and when. It solidifies the milk so that it digests more slowly, and the young mammal gets more out of it. Our ancestors turned breast milk into a primitive cheese, in their stomachs.

When a baby spits up milk, think about what it looks like - it's curds. Our ability to make curds from milk disappears about the same time our so-called milk-teeth start falling out.

As a result, to make cheese, you need the stomach lining of a young mammal to turn your milk to curds. Old mammals have lost the ability.

Re:We've eaten cheese a lot longer than that (0)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#42280307)

No, it is not primitive cheese. where do you people get this stuff? oh right, out your ass.

Re:We've eaten cheese a lot longer than that (1)

Holladon (1620389) | about 2 years ago | (#42280447)

Sounds like a clever way to put that stillborn baby carcass to good use! Must've been one of Martha Stewart's ancestors who came up with it.

Is that... (1)

theonesandtwos (1349467) | about 2 years ago | (#42280209)

more or less than the amount of time people have been drinking Kool-aid? Does it depend on which calendar you choose to use?

WooHoo Chees!! (2)

Nov8tr (2007392) | about 2 years ago | (#42280301)

Well of course they have been eating cheese for 7,500 years. Cheese is awesome. Love the stuff. I literally eat it everyday, always have. Havarti, colby, jack, cheddar, so many kinds of cheese. And they all taste different. Have different textures. Some kinds of cheese keep for years. The Roman army lived off hard cheese and a kind of hard biscuit. Many armies did. Cheese has been the back bone of many races. To the inventors of cheese. I SALUTE YOU!! Thank you!

good news for christians... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42280479)

strange , some time ago a christian told me that god had creat the world ~4000 years ago... I love science ]=D

A Good Read (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42280535)

The Stinky Cheese Man and Other Fairly Stupid Tales
http://www.amazon.com/Stinky-Cheese-Other-Fairly-Stupid/dp/067084487X/

Followed closely by.... (1, Funny)

erp_consultant (2614861) | about 2 years ago | (#42280655)

The earliest known case of lactose intolerance. Cause and effect.

What a bunch of cheeseheads! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42280701)

What I need to know is: what type are they, why they're so holy and what makes them smell so wretched? I mean, cheesus christ!

Birthplace of Cheese (1)

tehlinux (896034) | about 2 years ago | (#42280733)

I honestly have never been more proud of my Polish ancestry than I am now!

Calm Down Folks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#42280811)

Remember, blessed are the cheese makers for they shall inherit the earth (which they apparently did)

Cheese (1)

Alioth (221270) | about 2 years ago | (#42280827)

So the next time someone complains when I cannon rush them in Stacraft 2, I can tell them not to be so mad, cheesing has been going on for 7500 years already...

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